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In any case, I thought XYSyubfilter was the recommended subtitle plugin to use with MadVR, as Madshi was involved in its development. IF there is a problem with XYSubfilter, then what I am supposed to use with MPC-BE/LAV/MadVR to render subtitles in SDR/3D/HDR/10bits? Quote:
No idea why this can't be fixed if this is a MadVR/XYSubfilter issue (which doesn't seem obvious here), but I guess I'll sacrifice a few DVDs rather than stopping using XYSubfilter, unless there is a recommended alternative subtitles option for MPC-BE that works as well with MadVR. I have no intention to switch to MPC-HC, I prefer MPC-BE by far .
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20th October 2017, 16:05 | #46765 | Link |
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XYsubfilter development has been dead for years. Madshi isn't involved at all, except for making a few fixes for it in the past.
It is recommended to use the internal subtitles renderers of MPC-HC/MPC-BE. Those work fine and are reliable. |
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The other problem: Is it limited to Kodi? Or does it also happen if you use a different media player (e.g. MPC-HC/BE), just for testing? Quote:
I've replied to your posts in some detail, but I don't think you've replied to my latest suggestions and comments. I'm not going to add any more hints until you reply to all my suggestions and comments. Quote:
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Your screenshot suggests that madVR doesn't even know that you're playing a 3D movie. Do you have LAV installed with the optional 3D Intel Media SDK 3D decoder? Obviously, if madVR doesn't know that the movie is 3D, then it can't activate the 3D profile. Quote:
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I've read in your other comments that you've already uninstalled XySubFilter. Did you also remove (or rename) the whole XySubFilter folder, just to be safe? FWIW, just switching to a different subtitle renderer in the MPC-HC/BE settings should suffice. Do you maybe also have AssFilterMod installed? That might be another explanation for the problem. It's on my to do list to support more than one subtitle renderers using the "new" subtitle interface. |
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@ryrynz and @Werewolfy, do you happen to have a few screenshots which demonstrate the usefulness of the "don't reduce texture detail" option with higher strengths? Generally, of course I've love for the option to only preserve detail but not artifacts. In real life sometimes it's hard to differ between one and the other, so obviously activating "don't reduce texture detail" will preserve some detail *and* some artifacts. So it's a valid question if it's a good option at all. I suppose the key question is if it preservers more details or more artifacts? Quote:
Uh, this will be tough to decide... I don't think I can refine it any further right now. We will just have to come to a decision on whether to use DRTD or not, at each strength level. |
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20th October 2017, 19:00 | #46768 | Link |
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madshi, I though xysubfilter was the preferred subtitle filter for use with madVR. Is it now the case its better to use MPC-HC internal subtitle filter? Does that support moving the subtitles into the black bars etc?
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I did a minor test of setting saturation to -65 in madvr and the results are below. Saturation -65, MPC-HC/BE ISR https://www.mediafire.com/file/d99gu...C-BE%20ISR.png Saturation -65, Assfilter, XySub https://www.mediafire.com/view/1m7ba...2C%20XySub.png Original, Saturation 0 http://www.mediafire.com/view/739584...MPC-BE-ISR.png
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20th October 2017, 19:18 | #46770 | Link | |
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I agree with someone who said it earlier (can't remember who), but when artifacts are bad enough to enable the filter, I use it without the option. |
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20th October 2017, 19:53 | #46772 | Link | |
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P.S. Sorry for the missing link, I will take care of it next time. Last edited by mparade; 20th October 2017 at 19:59. |
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20th October 2017, 21:17 | #46773 | Link |
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After testing with and without LL, I get the best result with NGU Sharp without any other image enhancement (just some added grain).
However, NGU Sharp is still not at good as it was in v0.91.1 with little details in the image and aliasing. Do you plan to improve it before v1.0 ? If so, you may take a look at this if you need test images : https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...08#post1804708 https://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...66#post1804766 The aliasing is quite distracting sometimes while watching a movie. The improvement I see in current NGU is less dark halos comparing to v.91.1. I agree for not using "don't reduce texture detail" at lower strengths (1-3), because at best it does nothing and leaves compressions artifacts in the image. Is there a way to detect if a source material needs RCA so we will not have to activate it manually depending on the content ? Last edited by Neo-XP; 20th October 2017 at 21:32. |
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I've tested strength 11 and 12 on this sample but "don't reduce texture detail" doesn't seem to make a difference. It's maybe so high that this option can't make the big texture detail reduction unavoidable. Quote:
Original VS RCA 1 DRTD If you activate RCA1 without this option, you can see that artifacts are a little bit reduced. Original VS RCA 1 2) "don't reduce texture detail" is useful with high strengths... but sometimes it doesn't actually work very well... I've had more time to test it and I'm not sure if I still really like this option. First, here is an example where I find it useful : This is an extreme exemple but even if there are more artifacts around the "Judges" letters you can clearly see that a lot of details are totally blurred without this option. RCA 10 VS RCA 10 DRTD But here's another scenario : RCA 4 VS RCA 4 DRTD Here I prefer the look of RCA 4 without "don't reduce texture detail". And then I've found this example : RCA 6 VS RCA 6 DRTD There are mot artifacts around the lips and nose of the character than with RCA 4 DRTD actually : RCA 4 DRTD VS RCA 6 DRTD Is it a bug? Here what happens at 10 : RCA 10 VS RCA 10 DRTD Here's the video I used to do this comparison : Original video I know it's a very compressed video but a less compressed version of this video has the same issues. Video You can find the other video I used in a previous post by ryrynz
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I have a PC with an i5 3570k and gtx 970, with 16gb of ram and I have a 4k TV that can't play HDR. So I'm trying to use MadVR to do HDR to SDR. I tried every performance option and selecting DXVA2 for everything but it's still stuttering. Do I have any chance playing this file here: MediaInfo: General ID : 0 (0x0) Complete name : \BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts Format : BDAV Format/Info : Blu-ray Video File size : 88.4 GiB Overall bit rate mode : Variable Maximum Overall bit rate : 109 Mbps Video ID : 4113 (0x1011) Menu ID : 1 (0x1) Format : HEVC Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding Format profile : Main 10@L5.1 Codec ID : 36 Width : 3 840 pixels Height : 2 160 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate : 23.976 fps Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 10 bits Writing library : ATEME Titan File 3.7.9 (4.7.9.0) Color primaries : BT.2020 Matrix coefficients : BT.2020 non-constant Color range : Limited or I need to replace my 970 for a 1060? |
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In fact, it has allowed me to resolve the problem, which doesn't seem come from XySubFilter... but from LAV! I tried to play the same file from my Win10 VM on the Mac and the menu played fine, whether XySubFilter was selected or not. So I did some debugging on the HTPC and realized that in order to NOT have the issue, I had to select anything but D3D11 in LAV Video configuration (on the MacBook Pro VM it works fine with D3D11 too). If I select any other hardware acceleration option on the HTPC (I tried none and DXVA2 Copy-back), the menu displays perfectly both with XySubFilter and with another subtitle option. Does that make any sense to you/NevCairiel? You said the issue disappears if you don't select XySubFilter, did you try without D3D11 in LAV? That would explain why I didn't have the issue the last time I played this title, because D3D11 wasn't available in LAV then. PS: just to answer your question, I had not installed any other subtitle renderer and I had renamed the XySubFilter folder after uninstalling it, that didn't help. I also tried to simply select the internal MPC-BE subtitle renderer, that didn't help either, even when XySubFilter was uninstalled (and reported as uninstalled by MPC-BE).
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20th October 2017, 23:29 | #46778 | Link |
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@veggav : the 970 only has hybrid HEVC decoding. I doubt it can handle the bitrate of an UHD Blu-ray.
Try to pass this file through DXVA Checker's playback benchmark and compare different decode methods (software/CUVID/DXVA). Note: I don't know if it's a must-have for you, but FYI the 1060 can't decode VP9 10-bit (YouTube HDR) in hardware.
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20th October 2017, 23:32 | #46779 | Link |
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No, I think it's safer to disable this option. The results are too unpredictable and when it doesn't work well it's really bad.
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