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Old 24th April 2011, 07:14   #11841  |  Link
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Hmmm... I've done a lot of testing -- and the subs in my tests are perfectly synced and last for the correct period. All the tests have been with NTSC, but that really shouldn't make a difference. If you look in the XML files for each sub, you should be able to see the start and stop times. Let me know if you find anything interesting.
Here an excerpt from the XML.
Start and stop times are about identical ....
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<spu yoffset="514" xoffset="216" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00634.png" end="00:50:31.71" start="00:50:31.70"/> 
<spu yoffset="520" xoffset="258" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00635.png" end="00:50:35.79" start="00:50:35.78"/> 
<spu yoffset="514" xoffset="194" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00636.png" end="00:50:38.19" start="00:50:38.18"/> 
<spu yoffset="514" xoffset="174" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00637.png" end="00:50:40.03" start="00:50:40.02"/>
The start times are correct, the problem is with the end times.
Should perhaps the milliseconds be a 3 digit number?

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Old 24th April 2011, 12:49   #11842  |  Link
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Here an excerpt from the XML.
Start and stop times are about identical ....
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<spu yoffset="514" xoffset="216" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00634.png" end="00:50:31.71" start="00:50:31.70"/> 
<spu yoffset="520" xoffset="258" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00635.png" end="00:50:35.79" start="00:50:35.78"/> 
<spu yoffset="514" xoffset="194" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00636.png" end="00:50:38.19" start="00:50:38.18"/> 
<spu yoffset="514" xoffset="174" transparent="101010" image="C:\TEMP\BD REBUILDER\WORKFILES\DVDSUBS\4608_00637.png" end="00:50:40.03" start="00:50:40.02"/>
The start times are correct, the problem is with the end times.
Should perhaps the milliseconds be a 3 digit number?
Are you processing this in some other way? That XML doesn't look like it comes from BD-RB. The placement of all the values are wrong. BD-RB puts start/stop first and the offsets are last...

In fact, it looks like it is exactly backward and there's no way it could do that on its own.

Have you tried any other discs?
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Old 24th April 2011, 13:50   #11843  |  Link
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just wanted to say that the latest version still won't compress my HP5 in fulldisc mode
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Old 24th April 2011, 15:34   #11844  |  Link
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I did The King's Speech, R1, Blu-ray to DVD alternate output with this new release BD-RBV03708, and the subtitles came out perfect! Used the default settings so the subtitle colors are yellow, but are perfectly in sync and display for the correct length of time. Final output was 4.29GB, keeping the one audio track and both english and spanish subtitle tracks.
Well done jdobbs!
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Old 24th April 2011, 16:11   #11845  |  Link
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just wanted to say that the latest version still won't compress my HP5 in fulldisc mode
Interestingly, I did HP5 to full disc BD-25 quite some time ago, and it worked perfectly.
So I load BD-RBV03708, and it shows "Approximate Source Content: [ 5:03:47.266]. However, the main movie, 00000.m2ts, is not in the list of streams to be reencoded.
If I switch to Movie Only mode, then it is listed as well as the three alternative mpls files for 00000.m2ts ( 00000mpls, 00059.mpls, and 00060.mpls ) for a movie length of 2:18:14.452.
HP5 does have 14 listed audio tracks available for the main movie, of which two are English; one is LPCM 4608kbps and one is 640kbps 5.1 DD.
The largest listed stream to reencode in full backup mode is VID_00031, an MPEG-2, 480i 29.97fps stream, and the next largest is VID_00002, which is a VC-1, 1080i, 29.97fps stream.
So it does appear their is something not right.

If I click Backup on the above listed attempt, I get Target is too small to continue!

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Old 24th April 2011, 16:26   #11846  |  Link
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Are you processing this in some other way? That XML doesn't look like it comes from BD-RB. The placement of all the values are wrong. BD-RB puts start/stop first and the offsets are last...

In fact, it looks like it is exactly backward and there's no way it could do that on its own.

Have you tried any other discs?
The XML was generated by BD-RB (or by one of the included tools), but hmmm... I took an earlier compressed and resized BD5 as a source for this test.
It is possible that I preprocessed the sups with BDSup2Sub when making the BD5 backup, because of the issue of TSMUXER with sups resizing, or just to shift the sups into the active picture area, I don't remember exactly. Anyway, the BD5 had no playback issues with the sups.
I will try again with the original disc.
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Old 24th April 2011, 17:24   #11847  |  Link
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The XML was generated by BD-RB (or by one of the included tools), but hmmm... I took an earlier compressed and resized BD5 as a source for this test.
It is possible that I preprocessed the sups with BDSup2Sub when making the BD5 backup, because of the issue of TSMUXER with sups resizing, or just to shift the sups into the active picture area, I don't remember exactly. Anyway, the BD5 had no playback issues with the sups.
I will try again with the original disc.
I can assure you that the XML couldn't have been created in that format by BD-RB... odd, though that it exactly backwards from what BD-RB creates. I'm scratching my head on that one. I can't see how it could possibly be output that way based on the formatting I'm using to write the XML file.

I'm doing some checks to see if I can find a disc that acts similar to yours. The only one I've found so far was one that was doing animation... and it makes sense in that case because the picture is moved at regular intervals, and I ignore all but the first.
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Interestingly, I did HP5 to full disc BD-25 quite some time ago, and it worked perfectly.
So I load BD-RBV03708, and it shows "Approximate Source Content: [ 5:03:47.266]. However, the main movie, 00000.m2ts, is not in the list of streams to be reencoded.
If I switch to Movie Only mode, then it is listed as well as the three alternative mpls files for 00000.m2ts ( 00000mpls, 00059.mpls, and 00060.mpls ) for a movie length of 2:18:14.452.
HP5 does have 14 listed audio tracks available for the main movie, of which two are English; one is LPCM 4608kbps and one is 640kbps 5.1 DD.
The largest listed stream to reencode in full backup mode is VID_00031, an MPEG-2, 480i 29.97fps stream, and the next largest is VID_00002, which is a VC-1, 1080i, 29.97fps stream.
So it does appear their is something not right.

If I click Backup on the above listed attempt, I get Target is too small to continue!
That's because BD-RB still looks for IGS on full backups, and 00000.M2TS (the feature) has an IGS stream. I've added a check so that if the stream with IGS is a part of the main feature it is processed anyway.

You probably processed it previously with a version from before the IGS check was added.
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It is possible that I preprocessed the sups with BDSup2Sub when making the BD5 backup
I'll also run a couple of SUPs through BDSup2Sub and see if it is something specific to the way it writes its output.
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I did The King's Speech, R1, Blu-ray to DVD alternate output with this new release BD-RBV03708, and the subtitles came out perfect! Used the default settings so the subtitle colors are yellow, but are perfectly in sync and display for the correct length of time. Final output was 4.29GB, keeping the one audio track and both english and spanish subtitle tracks.
Well done jdobbs!
Do you think the subtitles should default to white rather than yellow?
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Old 24th April 2011, 17:57   #11851  |  Link
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Avatar, yellow subtitles were completely natural. But white is certainly more commonplace if you ask me
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just wanted to say that the latest version still won't compress my HP5 in fulldisc mode
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Hmm... I meant to put in a hidden option to allow overlooking IGS for full backups too -- but forgot. I'll get that in on the next release.
The only option we have to do a full backup of HP5 and Black Hawk Down is wait the next release with the hidden option that jdobbs mentioned.
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Do you think the subtitles should default to white rather than yellow?
Yes, upon further thought! The original Blu-ray is white subtitles, and for this movie it works well.
If I remember correctly though, most DVD's subtitles did use yellow color. But this can be a distraction, so white would be less obtrusive.
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@Capsbackup: most dvd's use yellow ? Not in my region. They're all white with the occasional yellow but i find yellow damn annoying. I loved Avatar (though in blu-ray) but if there's 1 thing i hated it was those yellow subs. BTW the reason your HP5 is failing now is because of that IGS stream code jdobbs added in 34.04.

That being said, bring on the next version so i can finally resize it. Oh and while you're at it, throw DTS-E processing in it too
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most DVD's subtitles did use yellow color. But this can be a distraction, so white would be less obtrusive.
There are MANY movies that have many mostly white/light grey backgrounds. Yellow subs are assured to be legible in such instances, whereas oft'times the white subs disappear into the background...
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@setarip: that i won't deny. White letters that disappear in the movie is another thing i hate. On those occasions i wouldn't mind if the letters were given a stronger border, or shade or even such a seethrough bar in case the subs cover the opening credits wich is often done. But yellow i personally find that a bit extreme.
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@setarip: that i won't deny. White letters that disappear in the movie is another thing i hate. On those occasions i wouldn't mind if the letters were given a stronger border, or shade or even such a seethrough bar in case the subs cover the opening credits wich is often done. But yellow i personally find that a bit extreme.
Well you gotta' choose one or the other. Writing code that will analyze and outline the text (beyond what you get with the bilinear resizing) is a lot more work than I'm willing to do for these DVD subtitles. I'm changing the default to white -- buy you can always choose yellow or green from the hidden option.

I may be able to add in another hidden setting that allows you to set your own low/mid/high intensity colors for the subtitles -- but frankly I tried a bunch of them, and the ones I'm using now are about as good as it gets.

For subtitles that can always be read -- you can choose a non-transparent background using the DVD_SUB_BACKGROUND hidden option. I've given two options, black and dark blue.
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forgive me jdobbs, i was just discussing the subtitle color wich is beyond the purpose of this thread. Sorry about that. Don't go out of your way to add more tweaks. For me its not necessairy. I only do full disc BD25 backups. For DVD backups i get the DVD itself.
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forgive me jdobbs, i was just discussing the subtitle color wich is beyond the purpose of this thread. Sorry about that. Don't go out of your way to add more tweaks. For me its not necessairy. I only do full disc BD25 backups. For DVD backups i get the DVD itself.
I hope I didn't come across wrong. I was just trying to point out that ALTERNATE/DVD is not the primary purpose of BD-RB -- so while I wanted to make it complete by adding subtitle support, I don't want to go off on a tangent that keeps me from working on what I consider to be the more-important blu-ray features.
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@jdobbs, I tested DVD output mode, everything works fine (The Town and RED), but I found that DVD compliant audio tracks (AC3 > 448 Kbps) are being re-encoded, which reduces sound quality and sometimes increases file size a little (from AC3 384/192 Kbps to 448/224 Kbps).

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