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18th May 2009, 10:08 | #1101 | Link | |
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This last piece of result seems to crush my hope though. I tried 29.970 1080p video and it looks like my GPU can't really keep up even without any scaling (in windows mode). In this case, upload/render queue are ~ 1 and 3 respectively.
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18th May 2009, 10:14 | #1102 | Link |
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I tested on Win7 RC1, x86, HD4650, Catalyst 9.4, MPC-HC, ReClock on.
Now the refresh rate is Ok (50.00XXX). A few (2-5) dropped or delayed frames only at the beginning and on seek. Playing is smooth. Decoder queue 16/16 upload queue 5-8/8 render queue 6-8/8 BTW, what do these numbers mean ? |
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Ok, I fixed it, thanks for pointing it out. Yes, VSfilter.dll version 2.39 works fine. I had an older version of DirectVobSub.ax lurking in Windows32, and it was causing chaos. So the only bug I *really* need fixed is the Screensaver/Power settings not being disabled. With that working I can go to MadVR as my primary renderer (that means using it to watch a movie with guests present...that's when all hell usually breaks loose!). Thanks Mark |
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18th May 2009, 12:09 | #1104 | Link | |
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On the subtitle topic, I just tried 2.39, and I still prefer MPC-HC internal subtitle renderer because I can choose to render it at high resolution. I know VSFilter is more accurate than MPC-HC's internal (and ffdshow is worse of the three), but the high resolution text still win over, as I have to do a pretty big upscaling. So I'm still waiting for madVR subtitle support
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18th May 2009, 12:22 | #1106 | Link |
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first of all Sorry for my bad English.
secondly i love this renderer. ... but i have a little problem here, that i try to explain. together with madVR i use *.3dlut files with color corection for my Sony HDTV (i have all the primaries for my TV). and i used them (the same primaries for my TV) for quite some time now, in a shader code taken from this thread at -> http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=912720 , together with VMR9 renderer, MPC-HC on WinXP. the player i use the whole time is MPC-HC, and i want to use madVR, basicly because it gives the best picture, but everytime i use madVR together with the(from me) created *.3dlut file there are black spots or something like that(sorry don't know how to call them) like in this picture -> http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2...rwith3dlut.png ,you can see them in the face of the women in front, over the safe on the wall and some other places in the picture. without the *.3dlut file there are no problems at all(beside the wrong colors) -> http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5...thout3dlut.png . i've also made 2 more screenshots for comparsion, were i used VMR9 together with the color corection shader code, -> http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7...correction.png , "without such black spots like in the screenshots above with madVR as renderer with *.3dlut". and here without the color corection shader code -> http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2...lorcorecti.png . i use ffdshow as decoder and scaling to 1080p and Lanczos 4tap, for VMR9. and for madVR i also use ffdshow as decoder, but without scaling to 1080p because this scaling job does madVR. i tryed all the options within madVR's UI, but it stays the same. the only thing is not to use the *.3dlut files, but then again i can not use the color corection these are the options in my *.3dlut files # Set input bitdepth Input_Bit_Depth 8 # Set source video format Input_Video_Format NTSC(or PAL_DVD, HD) YCbCr # Set output bitdepth Output_Bit_Depth 16 # Set display video format Output_Video_Format NTSC(or PAL_DVD, HD) RGB_Video Output_Primaries 9 0.648 0.332 0.195 0.636 0.149 0.060 0.302 0.322 i have the problem with, HD (blu-ray, HDDVD), SD (NTSC, PAL) and all the kinds of avi, mp4, mkv ... etc. so my question is, am i doing something wrong? or is it a problem with madVR or the *.3dlut creation file(cr3dlut.exe)? again sorry for my bad english, as it's not my native language :/ and i hope the stuff i wrote can be understand. and i'm sorry if this is not the right thread to post my problem. ciao thomas |
18th May 2009, 12:27 | #1107 | Link | |
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What you're basically saying is that the internal renderer not working (correctly) with HR or MVR is a regression/bug |
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18th May 2009, 13:21 | #1108 | Link |
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Hey guys, I don't want to throw a spanner in the works here, but take a look at these screenshots of the DVE PAL Geometry test pattern using MadVR and VMR9 (A=0.75).
VMR9 (below): MadVR (below): These scaled down images clearly do not show things clearly!! (The smearing of the circles is particularly lost in the downscaling and some extra artifacts are added to both images). Here are the full bitmaps. You really need to look at those before commenting! Some may feel the VMR9 version is slightly over-sharp. In fact you may be horrified to find I use an Edge Enhancement setting of "1". Personally a prefer the slight tightening the EE algorithm gives on its absolute minimum setting. However, this could be turned off. More significant IMO though is the real mess MadVR (default settings) makes of several areas such as the smearing on various parts of the two black circles and the variation in thickness and grey scale level of many of the grill patterns. Also the thickening of the text "720" inside the outer circle. And lastly there are some horizontal lines running across the diagonal grills on the right hand side that are quite nasty! I will be very interested in your thoughts. Edit: I have added a screenshot of VMR9 without EE to the zip file for completeness. Last edited by Jong; 18th May 2009 at 13:40. Reason: more things to look for on the screenshots |
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What settings did you use Jong?
And the input res to MadVR is 720x576? No ffdshow scaling first? What is your output resolution? And what MadVR settings do you use. I see no such issues, but I don't scale Luma. |
18th May 2009, 13:54 | #1111 | Link |
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Default settings for MadVR except 3Dlut ticked.
- PC levels - Luma upscaling softcubic 50 - chroma resampling softcubic 100 No "trade offs"! No ffdshow, no other scaling, MadVR gets 720x576. As you can see from the full size bitmaps my screen res is 1920x1080. Yes, I think this is an effect of scaling, but a major handicap for DVD. |
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Anyway I considered Madshi's default and therefore presumably recommended settings were the best place to start, regardless of other thread "comments"! None the less, I will take a look at your suggestion and we will see. |
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18th May 2009, 14:04 | #1113 | Link | |
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Ok, the artifacts look like half vertical resolution. Did you checked the deinterlacing settings of the decoder? The picture looks like BOB and not WEAVE. |
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18th May 2009, 14:12 | #1114 | Link |
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No, its not half resolution. Same decoder used in both screenshots and anyway look at the finest one pixel wide grills. They are stil there.
Just checked using Lanzos4 resize and all the main problems I mention are still there. I've added a Lanczos screencap to the zip file. |
18th May 2009, 14:19 | #1116 | Link |
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did a lot more testing.
Terrible results with DVD's Every DVD gives this error: Some still work though, all DVD's play audio, right click navigation works, but i get a black screen for many of my DVD's Here is a sample:http://sharebee.com/b988c279 (You have to rightclick, go to navigate, then click on title menu) PS i am using FFdshow Finally the filter refresh rate is wrong when playing DVD's as shown in this screenshot: On top of all that i have an MKV that works fine with all other renderers but crashes MPC-HC completely when using MadVR EDIT: Sample here http://sharebee.com/4351620b (due to ugly cutting the image stutters on all renderers in this sample) Last edited by tetsuo55; 18th May 2009 at 15:30. Reason: added MKV sample |
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Which decoder and player are you using? |
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18th May 2009, 14:23 | #1118 | Link |
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Whoops one more interesting problem.
I can watch 720p with any settings easily. However, I discovered I cannot watch now 1080p downscaled to 720p with Lanc8. All other methods work fine. Even spline64 works. But when I switch to lanc8 I observe massive frame drops (and still low CPU, so it seems GPU is overloaded). Render queue is 7 or 8 / 8 with any resampler. |
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I am using Cyberlink SD decoder (PDVD7) with MPC-HC and (just to be sure!) I forced weave. With Bob, as I mention, the finest grill disappears. Actually it goes grey, rather than black or white (disapears against the background), which is surprising and may be another problem. |
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