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Old 9th February 2009, 14:38   #8181  |  Link
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Of course if you have the appropiate encoder (don't exist free encoders) but you don't need eac3to for this.

The most common free lossless encoder is FLAC, supported in mkv container.
You can demand multichannel FLAC support in PCH.
Thanks for your reply but i dont quite understand.Can eac3to re-convert the lpcm back to dtshd or truehd for remuxing to .ts or .m2ts.Like you say there is no mutichannel support for FLAC over hdmi with the PCH
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Old 9th February 2009, 16:06   #8182  |  Link
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Thanks for your reply but i dont quite understand.Can eac3to re-convert the lpcm back to dtshd or truehd for remuxing to .ts or .m2ts.Like you say there is no mutichannel support for FLAC over hdmi with the PCH
No, it can't. You can only convert to AC3 (with EAC3TO) or DTS (with EAC3TO via Surcode) - both lossy so I don't think will achieve the quality you want...

As tebasuna said, what you are asking for cannot be achieved with free encoders.

Just re-rip the disk and don't convert the audio this time - TONMT should process TrueHD I believe (or keep the original .M2TS file if not seamless branching disk).

Cheers,

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Old 9th February 2009, 16:38   #8183  |  Link
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No, it can't. You can only convert to AC3 (with EAC3TO) or DTS (with EAC3TO via Surcode) - both lossy so I don't think will achieve the quality you want...

As tebasuna said, what you are asking for cannot be achieved with free encoders.

Just re-rip the disk and don't convert the audio this time - TONMT should process TrueHD I believe (or keep the original .M2TS file if not seamless branching disk).

Cheers,

-jj-
Ok thanks JJ666.I'll re-rip the disks using tsmuxer on those with dtshd and tonmt(+ ?also ts4np) on those with truehd.
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Old 9th February 2009, 17:30   #8184  |  Link
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Hi Madshi

Your work is great and very well.


I found some old videos with sound.ogg
Is it possible to support them. It's not important but will be nice.
ogg is freeware, so i think its maybe easy to do this??!


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Old 9th February 2009, 19:50   #8185  |  Link
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I have a 5.1 set-up with a modern hdmi receiver that can decode Dtshd and truehd, a PCH A110 and i have a number of movies with 7.1 dtshd sound..would it be better to demux with eac3to and the sonic decoder to 5.1 dtshd or let my receiver matrix the 7.1 channels to my 5.1 setup???Thanks.
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Old 9th February 2009, 22:00   #8186  |  Link
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Sorry, I mixed up two replies. That should have been:

See post #7880 and on and particularly:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...09#post1238209
Thanks but I have the ax file and dll and both are registered. The fact that Nerovision can playback AC3 audio indicates they must be working so the problem is elsewhere
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Old 9th February 2009, 22:05   #8187  |  Link
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Make sure you're using the latest eac3to version. If the problem still occurs then please post the eac3to log.
The latest version fixed it for me. Thank you, much appreciated.
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Old 10th February 2009, 02:36   #8188  |  Link
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There are a problem with 'stdout.wav' and automatic second pass for overflow.
When this occurs the output is duplicated but the corrected second part is out of sync (because the second header) with garbage result.

Seems the problem is solved when add -2pass or -normalize parameters. Now seems the first ouput is inhibited and only the second pass is really output.
I say 'seems' because a second problem: when use 'stdout' there aren't log and the user don't know what happen.

There are a method to cancel the automatic second pass for overflow?
Many times are little peaks (<0.1dB) due to imperfections in lossy codecs than can be assumed.
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Old 10th February 2009, 02:59   #8189  |  Link
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Hi madshi, thank you for eac3to...it's such an awesome program.

I'd like to use eac3to as an archival tool. By this, I mean I'd like to take a BD or HDDVD and demux the main movie video stream and audio streams. I'd like to keep them in their original format, without processing or doing anything to the streams, ideally just a bit for bit extraction. Then I'd like to back up these demuxed files to DVD-R to save for future use. Since programs and containers and encoders change all the time, I'd like to keep these original files in their original state (or as close to their original state as possible).

Is just passing -demux to eac3to the best way to do this? Would I need to pass other options, like -keepDialnorm and -keepPulldown?

Also, for demuxing, does it make a difference if I use eac3to by itself without installing the Nero, Arcsoft, and Sonic filters? Or does having these filters installed give better demuxing results?

Thanks again for eac3to, it's great. Bob.

edit:

It would appear that it doesn't matter if you have the filters installed or not for demuxing. I demuxed a HDDVD with the filters and without, and the files came out the same. I compared their md5 checksums and everything was the same.

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Old 10th February 2009, 04:02   #8190  |  Link
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Hi Madshi!
Did you have changed anything regarding Drive-Read-Speed in your last version? I used the following command to copy video and audio direct from my drives to a hdd-folder:

eac3to f: 1) 3: video.mkv 9: audio.flac (from my HD-DVD-Drive)

With version 3.06 it took ~45 min.
With version 3.07 it took 12 hours!!!

I have the same effect with my Blu-Ray-Drive. I stopped the test with my Blu-Ray-Drive after 4 hours.

Thanks in advance, S.
Madshi,

I can confirm it is a lot slower using Hellboy as I had in previous tests. Been running for 20 minutes, but I only have three progress dashes in the command window. I'm not going to finish the test since it's obvious it will take hours.

P.S. Reading eac3to e: reads about as fast as it did in v3.06, but reading eac3to e: 1) is a little slower than v3.06.

TIA

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Just a couple of issues:
Code:
C:\unzipped\eac3to>eac3to.exe "C:\temp\i'm on a boat.mkv" 1: C:\temp\boat.h264 -
changeto29.970
MKV, 1 video track, 1 audio track, 0:03:09, 29.989p
1: h264/AVC, 720p29.989
2: AAC, 2.0 channels, 44.1khz
v01 The video bitstream is encoded in a non-standard framerate.
Was asked to modify track 1: to 29.970, but the original FPS is not supported.

C:\unzipped\eac3to>eac3to.exe "C:\temp\i'm on a boat.mkv" 1: C:\temp\boat.h264
MKV, 1 video track, 1 audio track, 0:03:09, 29.989p
1: h264/AVC, 720p29.989
2: AAC, 2.0 channels, 44.1khz
v01 The video bitstream is encoded in a non-standard framerate.
v01 Extracting video track number 1...
v01 Creating file "C:\temp\boat.h264"...
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eac3to processing took 10 seconds.
Done.
Source file is this remuxed from mp4 to mkv with mkvmerge (default settings).

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Old 10th February 2009, 19:26   #8192  |  Link
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Madshi,

I can confirm it is a lot slower using Hellboy as I had in previous tests. Been running for 20 minutes, but I only have three progress dashes in the command window. I'm not going to finish the test since it's obvious it will take hours.

P.S. Reading eac3to e: reads about as fast as it did in v3.06, but reading eac3to e: 1) is a little slower than v3.06.

TIA
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3.0.7 seems to suffer from the same problem:
Setup: XP SP3; AnyDVD 6.5.2.2; eac3to 3.0.7; LG GGC-H20L; 300 (HD DVD)
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Old 11th February 2009, 00:21   #8193  |  Link
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libav TrueHD decoder bug with sample

While decoding a TrueHD audio track using eac3to, I received this error:

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libav Lossless check failed - expected 0, calculated d6
A search through the forums revealed that this is likely a bug in the libav TrueHD decoder. I am providing a 10 MB sample which reproduces this bug.

http://rapidshare.com/files/196566632/shank73.thd.html

This sample is from the very end of the track, which is when the error occurs.

Thanks for the great work on eac3to... it's an awesome program and it's been an invaluable tool!
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Old 11th February 2009, 02:55   #8194  |  Link
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Madshi,

I can confirm it is a lot slower using Hellboy as I had in previous tests. Been running for 20 minutes, but I only have three progress dashes in the command window. I'm not going to finish the test since it's obvious it will take hours.

P.S. Reading eac3to e: reads about as fast as it did in v3.06, but reading eac3to e: 1) is a little slower than v3.06.

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+Bump
3.0.7 seems to suffer from the same problem:
Setup: XP SP3; AnyDVD 6.5.2.2; eac3to 3.0.7; LG GGC-H20L; 300 (HD DVD)
Just so there is no confusion: In my original post, I was comparing v3.07 to v3.06 where as v3.07 is much slower demuxing than v3.06. Thanks.
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Old 11th February 2009, 08:34   #8195  |  Link
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Same here, stopped eac3to after 15 minutes in eac3to 1) with 3.07

Go back to 3.06 and 35 minutes to extract h264 + ac3 of Peter Pan's movie.
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Old 11th February 2009, 09:28   #8196  |  Link
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Awesome, we've needed a separte thread for a while. Cant wait to play with some TrueHD tracks! Thanks for all the hard work Madshi
Yeah you are right
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Old 11th February 2009, 10:07   #8197  |  Link
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Same here, stopped eac3to after 15 minutes in eac3to 1) with 3.07

Go back to 3.06 and 35 minutes to extract h264 + ac3 of Peter Pan's movie.
Reading direct from disc eac3to 1) takes forever for me too. Am now ripping direct to HD and going from there, which is as fast as ever.

Recent eac3to was supposed to increase read speeds direct from disc, but I wonder if it works for all drives.

I am using a USB drive (LGC combo drive in an USB enclosure) which may make the difference, perhaps if everyone who's experiencing slowness can report what kind of drive they're using it might help Madshi out.
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The speed increase was there in 3.06, ripping and extracting in one pass is 35 minutes for me with a 4X liteon bd drive. But the speed increase is gone (far far away) in the 3.07. For a 40Gb disk, it couldn't be faster.
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Old 11th February 2009, 16:48   #8199  |  Link
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Actually an option to output a cue sheet from eac3to would take all the pain away.

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Cuesheet

Performer, title and track names aren't really important since we need to tag the resultant flac anyway. "FEATURE" , "FEATURE ARTIST" and chapter numbers for track names would suffice.

If you don't see value in it, I'll right a program to convert your chapter files to cue sheets.
I was already asked to offer an option to produce tsMuxeR compatible chapter files. But to be honest, I don't really like the idea to add one option for every tool out there which may use its own private chapter format...

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But then even if I force eac3to to look at 00001 it still gives me 51 chapters?
Oh, that seems to be a bug, will have to check that...

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Are you saying that doing something like this:-

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eac3to L: 1) 2: video.mkv
rather than a blanket disc title demux would keep a VC1 stream in a container (.mkv, albeit a different one from its original .m2ts housing) and allow eac3 to fix video gaps/overlaps, and is that an existing feature or a future planned capability?
Yes. It's an existing feature.

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If I remember rightly, you said the use of video gaps/overlaps is incredibly rare in source material - but you have seen it?
It's rare, but not unheard of. Especially broken broadcasts can have such problems.

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Well, indeed it doesn't seem to make much sense to have a seperate speedup option for each stream, either. I guess it's highly unlikely that someone wants to speed up just some streams.
Actually it does make sense to only speed up some streams. E.g. you may want to store the original audio track as it is (for future use) and speed it up at the same time. If I made "-speedup" a global option, doing such a thing would not be possible, anymore...

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The video was encoded using 23.976fps, just like all my encodes I have done. Should I be specifying 24000/1001 instead? Or does it not matter because its only a cosmetic issue?
It's mostly a cosmetic issue. However, all Blu-Rays I've seen are using 24000/1001 (or 24000/1000, but never 23976/1000). And all broadcasts I've seen use 60000/1001. So I do consider 23976/1000 "non-standard". But again: It's mostly a cosmetic issue...

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would it require a lot of effort to include a simple video cutting mechanism, e.g. remove the first 2000ms of the video stream when demuxing and muxing from/to MKV?
"A lot of effort" is a relative term. It would be possible and doable, but it would cost some time, and I still have so many other things on my to do list. However, I could use some very limited cutting functionality myself for cleaning up the beginning of self-recorded broadcasts. So it might come sooner or later, but not too soon...

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I found some old videos with sound.ogg
Is it possible to support them. It's not important but will be nice.
You mean Vorbis, right? Ogg is just a container. I will probably not add full support for Vorbis audio tracks. Eventually I might add support for decoding it through libav (if libav actually contains a Vorbis decoder, don't know). But I'm not sure yet...

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There are a problem with 'stdout.wav' and automatic second pass for overflow.
Didn't think about that. Will check that out later...

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There are a method to cancel the automatic second pass for overflow?
Many times are little peaks (<0.1dB) due to imperfections in lossy codecs than can be assumed.
You can use "-3db" or even "-1db" to avoid 2nd pass in most cases. Since clipping can only occur with floating point input, anyway, there should be no measurable loss in audio quality caused by the volume change.

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I have a 5.1 set-up with a modern hdmi receiver that can decode Dtshd and truehd, a PCH A110 and i have a number of movies with 7.1 dtshd sound..would it be better to demux with eac3to and the sonic decoder to 5.1 dtshd or let my receiver matrix the 7.1 channels to my 5.1 setup???Thanks.
Let your receiver do the work.

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I'd like to take a BD or HDDVD and demux the main movie video stream and audio streams. I'd like to keep them in their original format, without processing or doing anything to the streams, ideally just a bit for bit extraction.
Why extracting HD DVD video tracks bit for bit? I think it would make more sense to let eac3to remove the pulldown. If you let eac3to do that, you'll usually end up with fully Blu-Ray compatible streams. In the early days of the HD DVD / Blu-Ray war Microsoft had supplied the Dual-Format-Studios with a little tool which would convert their HD DVD style VC-1 tracks to Blu-Ray style VC-1. eac3to does basically the same thing. I see no sense in keeping the pulldown flags in the video stream...

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Is just passing -demux to eac3to the best way to do this? Would I need to pass other options, like -keepDialnorm and -keepPulldown?
You can use these options, but I don't really recommend that. The manipulations eac3to does by default usually have their purpose. But if you insist, of course you can stop eac3to from "improving" the video/audio data.

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Also, for demuxing, does it make a difference if I use eac3to by itself without installing the Nero, Arcsoft, and Sonic filters? Or does having these filters installed give better demuxing results?
No need for any of those filters if you just demux.

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Just a couple of issues:
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C:\unzipped\eac3to>eac3to.exe "C:\temp\i'm on a boat.mkv" 1: C:\temp\boat.h264 -
changeto29.970
MKV, 1 video track, 1 audio track, 0:03:09, 29.989p
1: h264/AVC, 720p29.989
2: AAC, 2.0 channels, 44.1khz
v01 The video bitstream is encoded in a non-standard framerate.
Was asked to modify track 1: to 29.970, but the original FPS is not supported.
Strange source. Will check that out later...

Edit: I can download that Youtube video as FLV, but not as MP4. How can I get that in MP4 format?

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While decoding a TrueHD audio track using eac3to, I received this error:

A search through the forums revealed that this is likely a bug in the libav TrueHD decoder. I am providing a 10 MB sample which reproduces this bug.
Thanks for the sample. But your search should also have revealed that it's no problem if you just receive one of those libav warnings. That means that max 0.8ms of your audio track is not lossless (if at all). All the other millions of milliseconds are still perfect.

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Old 11th February 2009, 16:56   #8200  |  Link
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eac3to v3.08 released

http://madshi.net/eac3to.zip

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* fixed: reading physical disc speed was abysmal (introduced in v3.07)
* fixed: read error from physical drive resulted in crash
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