HD-DVD to Blu-Ray. GUIDE UPDATED!! - Page 3

Sparky101 · 3rd February 2008, 11:29

Just looking at your updated guide, do you no longer have to convert the DD+ track to DD?

glen8 · 3rd February 2008, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Sparky101

Just looking at your updated guide, do you no longer have to convert the DD+ track to DD?

Nope, im trying to make things as easy and problem free as possible. I was getting a few issues with transformers on anything other than boggo ac3 until I though...why not just mux in the original dd+ which worked :-)

DonCarlos · 3rd February 2008, 14:46

Hi,

I tried this guide and it worked really good. But there is one thing I don't understand. Why don'T you simply use tsmuxer to do the fps?It worked for me perfect. Also with VC-1. I did it with Bourne 2 and it was really fine.

glen8 · 3rd February 2008, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonCarlos

Hi,

I tried this guide and it worked really good. But there is one thing I don't understand. Why don'T you simply use tsmuxer to do the fps?It worked for me perfect. Also with VC-1. I did it with Bourne 2 and it was really fine.

because it doesn't work for all movies. My guide takes into account any problems and works around them.

You may have found a way of missing a few steps but trust me when I say it wont work for all

I have spent another weekend on it and think I have come up with a pretty fool proof method now.

Just updating

glen8 · 3rd February 2008, 15:06

Right the guide has been updated again...please let me know if you come across an AVC movie you have problems with.

I'll now start looking at VC1s

Sparky101 · 3rd February 2008, 18:01

h264info gave me problems with Sum of All Fears but using TSmuxer to change the fps worked a treat. Everything else has worked fine using your method glen8.

DonCarlos · 3rd February 2008, 18:29

That is what I said before. It works really good if you use Tsmuxer. Even with VC-1 movies. I tried 2 more and all were very good. It is a pitty that there is no way to get the menus of the HDDVD to a Blu ray menu.

tyee · 3rd February 2008, 19:33

@glen8
Thanks for all your work, much appreciated!

For this line -- for dolby digital plus:-
eac3to "c:\videos\audio.dd+" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -nero -640

Do I need certain Nero dll's like you mentioned or do I need a full Nero installation??

I do not have Nero on my PC and don't intend to install it, but just having the dll's would be OK.

Is Nero the only way to process DD+? I was up till now using Sonic but like you said it does something with the channels. When I playback on my PC my media player says the audio is 2 channels, but playback on my PS3 says 5 channels, strange!

glen8 · 3rd February 2008, 19:37

Unfortunately nero 7 is by far the best for DD+

You need a full installation, Im using a free nero 7 essentials which came free with my burner together with the hd plugin.

Sonic is just a big fat no no unfortunately, the audio is 2.0 channels. In my testing I found that the sonic decoder actually crashed eac3to on the transformers dd+ track

tyee · 3rd February 2008, 19:53

@glen8
So is dts playable from the XMB (on internal or external HDD) on the PS3 or just ac3?

glen8 · 3rd February 2008, 19:55

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Originally Posted by tyee

@glen8
So is dts playable from the XMB (on internal or external HDD) on the PS3 or just ac3?

just ac3, but you want to be using ac3 anyway

jacked · 3rd February 2008, 23:33

glen8,
Thanks very much for all your hard efforts on this guide.
I tried your original guide on Zodiac and it worked perfectly. If I can just ask a couple of questions please.
I burn to BD-RE to test what I`ve done and anything run through TS-Remux to create Bluray final structure and folders,
plays perfectly and chapter skips as normal but fast forward and rewind don`t work at all, the image just pauses. This happens on both versions 018 + 019.
Does this happen with you, does that sound right ?
Your updated guide says to change the fps to 24000/1001 in tsmuxer, have you found any benefit in doing this ?
I`d be interested to hear how you get on with vc-1 titles.
If it`s any help to you, I`ve used Elecard Converter Studio AVC HD edition. When I use Evodemux I changed the video file extension to .avc and the demuxed video loads easily into Elecard without the need of graphs, the Elecard interface has similar settings to Procoder to produce an mpeg2 file that you can mux in your audio. If you come across an easier way that would be great.
Cheers glen8
You Are The Man !

glen8 · 4th February 2008, 08:55

Fast foward and rewind work fine for all three of the disks I've done now.

I changed the guide slightly. I found out that if you don't set the framerate to 240000/1001 in tsremuxer the time is all wrong after it's been muxed. This gets fixed in tsremux but since it doesn't take any more time up I figured I'd play it safe and add it into the guide.

Not sure why you can't FF and RW? what movies have you tried

jacked · 4th February 2008, 10:42

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Originally Posted by glen8

Fast foward and rewind work fine for all three of the disks I've done now.

I changed the guide slightly. I found out that if you don't set the framerate to 240000/1001 in tsremuxer the time is all wrong after it's been muxed. This gets fixed in tsremux but since it doesn't take any more time up I figured I'd play it safe and add it into the guide.

Not sure why you can't FF and RW? what movies have you tried

Thanks for your reply,
I have tried Zodiac, Patriot Games and Mission Impossible.

tyee · 4th February 2008, 16:01

@glen8
I did another test trying to get rid of Sonic for the audio and read another thread that said to use the same command line as you suggest for TrueHD but use it for DD+, and it worked just fine --

eac3to "c:\videos\audio.ddp" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -libav -448

The output of this command gave me an identical filesize as Sonic 4.2! There is no noise or anything in the soundtrack as far as I can tell. Sonic 4.2 seems to work for me so far after doing KK and TFMRS. Maybe Sonic 4.3 is the version with the problems??

glen8 · 4th February 2008, 16:04

I did wonder about libav as heard good things about it's AC3 performance.

Nero is considered the best anyway so I'll continue to use that, but a good tip for those not wanting to un-install and re-install between nero 7 and nero 8 all the time. I have made an entry under the notes section

any reason your using 448 and not 640?

jacked · 4th February 2008, 23:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacked

Thanks for your reply,
I have tried Zodiac, Patriot Games and Mission Impossible.

Hi Glen,
I`ve tried these discs on my PS3 and all fast-forward and rewind functions work perfectly, it`s just the Pioneer standalone that doesn`t, very odd.
Cheers, Dave

chewdogg10 · 4th February 2008, 23:48

Has anyone successfully converted American Gangster from HD-DVD to Blu Ray?

Creator1 · 6th February 2008, 20:50

I just want to confirm that this guide seems to be the only way to make a perfect translation. Using Scenarist either doesn't work or corrupts the playback.

One more thing, I have no audio sync problem using DTS 5.1 1536 tracks instead of DD 640 so I will keep using DTS for sound. For those who can't mux DTS with tsMuxeR because of "cant detect stream" try using latest version of eac3to and version 1.0.23 of surcode dvd dts.

jacked · 7th February 2008, 01:22

Hello All
Has anyone come up with the definitive / easiest way to convert vc1 titles yet ?
I did a successful but very long-winded job with Mission Impossible 3 but I`ve had a lot of pc problems recently and now none of my graphs work. So until I swap-out some components and upgrade and re-load XP I`m a bit stumped.
It looks like DonCarlos has a process sorted, how did you do it ? Hi Glen8, have you made any progress on this yet ?
Thanks a lot guys.

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glen8 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 148	Fast foward and rewind work fine for all three of the disks I've done now. I changed the guide slightly. I found out that if you don't set the framerate to 240000/1001 in tsremuxer the time is all wrong after it's been muxed. This gets fixed in tsremux but since it doesn't take any more time up I figured I'd play it safe and add it into the guide. Not sure why you can't FF and RW? what movies have you tried Last edited by glen8; 4th February 2008 at 09:16.

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glen8 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 148	I did wonder about libav as heard good things about it's AC3 performance. Nero is considered the best anyway so I'll continue to use that, but a good tip for those not wanting to un-install and re-install between nero 7 and nero 8 all the time. I have made an entry under the notes section any reason your using 448 and not 640? Last edited by glen8; 4th February 2008 at 16:08.

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3rd February 2008, 11:29	#41 \| Link
Sparky101 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23	Just looking at your updated guide, do you no longer have to convert the DD+ track to DD?

3rd February 2008, 14:46	#43 \| Link
DonCarlos Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38	Hi, I tried this guide and it worked really good. But there is one thing I don't understand. Why don'T you simply use tsmuxer to do the fps?It worked for me perfect. Also with VC-1. I did it with Bourne 2 and it was really fine.

3rd February 2008, 15:06	#45 \| Link
glen8 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 148	Right the guide has been updated again...please let me know if you come across an AVC movie you have problems with. I'll now start looking at VC1s

3rd February 2008, 18:01	#46 \| Link
Sparky101 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 23	h264info gave me problems with Sum of All Fears but using TSmuxer to change the fps worked a treat. Everything else has worked fine using your method glen8.

3rd February 2008, 18:29	#47 \| Link
DonCarlos Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 38	That is what I said before. It works really good if you use Tsmuxer. Even with VC-1 movies. I tried 2 more and all were very good. It is a pitty that there is no way to get the menus of the HDDVD to a Blu ray menu.

3rd February 2008, 19:33	#48 \| Link
tyee Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 350	@glen8 Thanks for all your work, much appreciated! For this line -- for dolby digital plus:- eac3to "c:\videos\audio.dd+" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -nero -640 Do I need certain Nero dll's like you mentioned or do I need a full Nero installation?? I do not have Nero on my PC and don't intend to install it, but just having the dll's would be OK. Is Nero the only way to process DD+? I was up till now using Sonic but like you said it does something with the channels. When I playback on my PC my media player says the audio is 2 channels, but playback on my PS3 says 5 channels, strange!

3rd February 2008, 19:37	#49 \| Link
glen8 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 148	Unfortunately nero 7 is by far the best for DD+ You need a full installation, Im using a free nero 7 essentials which came free with my burner together with the hd plugin. Sonic is just a big fat no no unfortunately, the audio is 2.0 channels. In my testing I found that the sonic decoder actually crashed eac3to on the transformers dd+ track

3rd February 2008, 19:53	#50 \| Link
tyee Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 350	@glen8 So is dts playable from the XMB (on internal or external HDD) on the PS3 or just ac3?

3rd February 2008, 23:33	#52 \| Link
jacked Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 17	glen8, Thanks very much for all your hard efforts on this guide. I tried your original guide on Zodiac and it worked perfectly. If I can just ask a couple of questions please. I burn to BD-RE to test what I`ve done and anything run through TS-Remux to create Bluray final structure and folders, plays perfectly and chapter skips as normal but fast forward and rewind don`t work at all, the image just pauses. This happens on both versions 018 + 019. Does this happen with you, does that sound right ? Your updated guide says to change the fps to 24000/1001 in tsmuxer, have you found any benefit in doing this ? I`d be interested to hear how you get on with vc-1 titles. If it`s any help to you, I`ve used Elecard Converter Studio AVC HD edition. When I use Evodemux I changed the video file extension to .avc and the demuxed video loads easily into Elecard without the need of graphs, the Elecard interface has similar settings to Procoder to produce an mpeg2 file that you can mux in your audio. If you come across an easier way that would be great. Cheers glen8 You Are The Man !

4th February 2008, 16:01	#55 \| Link
tyee Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 350	@glen8 I did another test trying to get rid of Sonic for the audio and read another thread that said to use the same command line as you suggest for TrueHD but use it for DD+, and it worked just fine -- eac3to "c:\videos\audio.ddp" "c:\videos\audio.ac3" -libav -448 The output of this command gave me an identical filesize as Sonic 4.2! There is no noise or anything in the soundtrack as far as I can tell. Sonic 4.2 seems to work for me so far after doing KK and TFMRS. Maybe Sonic 4.3 is the version with the problems??

4th February 2008, 23:48	#58 \| Link
chewdogg10 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 6	Has anyone successfully converted American Gangster from HD-DVD to Blu Ray?

6th February 2008, 20:50	#59 \| Link
Creator1 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 57	I just want to confirm that this guide seems to be the only way to make a perfect translation. Using Scenarist either doesn't work or corrupts the playback. One more thing, I have no audio sync problem using DTS 5.1 1536 tracks instead of DD 640 so I will keep using DTS for sound. For those who can't mux DTS with tsMuxeR because of "cant detect stream" try using latest version of eac3to and version 1.0.23 of surcode dvd dts.

7th February 2008, 01:22	#60 \| Link
jacked Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 17	Hello All Has anyone come up with the definitive / easiest way to convert vc1 titles yet ? I did a successful but very long-winded job with Mission Impossible 3 but I`ve had a lot of pc problems recently and now none of my graphs work. So until I swap-out some components and upgrade and re-load XP I`m a bit stumped. It looks like DonCarlos has a process sorted, how did you do it ? Hi Glen8, have you made any progress on this yet ? Thanks a lot guys.