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Eye of Horus · 9th June 2004, 19:46

Hi all,

After 2 months of hard work, discussions all over, listening, rewriting, discussions again, adjustments, etc. etc.,
Kempfand and EoH proudly present our new bidules.
These bidules are completely different from everything published till now and in our opinion so are the results.
Our goal was to come as close as possible to the HardWare Repurpose guys and..... in our opinion on some tracks we even did better.
If you agree with us remains the question
We would love to hear your feedback !

NEEDED
--------

1. Besweet b28
2. MDA VST
3. Voxengo stereo VST (freeware !)
4. SSRC.exe
5. bidules and groups

DOWNLOAD
---------

The whole package can be downloaded here :
www.app.demon.nl/Kempfand-EoH-06-09-2004.rar

or on Needfull Things......

SETUP
------

1. Install Besweet, start.bat and SSRC.exe in the same folder
2. Install MDA and Voxengo Stereo into the VST folder of Plogue
3. Install the 3 bidules in the layout folder of Plogue
4. Start Plogue Bidule and rescan for plugins and groups
5. Make sure the filerecorder is saying : 16 bits !!!!

USAGE
------

There are 3 bidules which handle different kind of music.

1. Voice-Center.bidule
This bidule handles music with a singer in the center of the stereo. This is checked quite easily by putting your receiver into DPL mode and listen very carefully to the voice. If it's coming from the Center speaker only, then you should use this one.
After conversion, the voice comes out of the Center only.

2. Voice-Non Center_or_instrumental.bidule
This one is useful for songs where the voice in not (or not only) in the center and for instrumentals. After the conversion you will hear the voice from all speakers, but the accent is on the Center

3. Instrumental.bidule
Use this one or the previous for tracks without voice.

4. For a first run, don't change a thing in the bidules, but do make sure the filerecorder is using 16 bits. Of course your source need to be converted to 32 bits floating first for the best results !!

5. Save your output to the Besweet folder

6. Run start.bat, but first edit (right-click and chose "edit") it to suit your settings. Here is the batch routine :

BeSweet.exe -core( -input 01.wav -output f:\01- -6ch )

ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-FL.wav f:\01-New-FL.wav
del f:\01-FL.wav

ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-FR.wav f:\01-New-FR.wav
del f:\01-FR.wav

ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-C.wav f:\01-New-C.wav
del f:\01-C.wav

ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-SL.wav f:\01-New-SL.wav
del f:\01-SL.wav

ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-SR.wav f:\01-New-SR.wav
del f:\01-SR.wav

copy f:\01-LFE.wav f:\01-New-LFE.wav
del f:\01-LFE.wav

As you see I use 01.wav as name for the 6channel WAV file in the Besweet folder (in my case on e and I do the processing to drive f:\ .
Change these values to the ones you wish to use. (Don't use spaces in the filename !) If you want the input WAV in the same directory, leave out the harddisc letter , but make sure it has another name after "-output" in the Besweet line !

In my case it will output 6 mono 16 bits 44.1 Khz WAV's to harddisc f: .

As usual you can use these to make a DTS cd......

EXTRA INFORMATION
--------------------

Voxengo stereo VST uses presets and we got a very good result with a preset of "pretty wide" . If you wish to experiment with these settings, it's very easy. Just doubleclick on the VST in Plogue and adjust to another preset or make your own. However : our results are all based on the "pretty wide" setting and we don't take responsibility for a worse conversion when using other settings

The same goes for the normalize routine. With these bidules we found that making all 5 mono files at the same peak level, gives the best result. It can be that you wish to have less sound in the rears. Just edit the batch and replace the setting for SSRC to your own preferences.

Regarding the messages about the LFE : all three routines don't have a separate LFE output ! The LFE file you see in the routines is empty !

Well, this is about it..... happy testing and please share your thoughts here !

kind regards,

Kempfand and Eye of Horus

9th June 2004, 19:46	#518 \| Link
Eye of Horus Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 326	3 new exciting bidules !! Hi all, After 2 months of hard work, discussions all over, listening, rewriting, discussions again, adjustments, etc. etc., Kempfand and EoH proudly present our new bidules. These bidules are completely different from everything published till now and in our opinion so are the results. Our goal was to come as close as possible to the HardWare Repurpose guys and..... in our opinion on some tracks we even did better. If you agree with us remains the question We would love to hear your feedback ! NEEDED -------- 1. Besweet b28 2. MDA VST 3. Voxengo stereo VST (freeware !) 4. SSRC.exe 5. bidules and groups DOWNLOAD --------- The whole package can be downloaded here : www.app.demon.nl/Kempfand-EoH-06-09-2004.rar or on Needfull Things...... SETUP ------ 1. Install Besweet, start.bat and SSRC.exe in the same folder 2. Install MDA and Voxengo Stereo into the VST folder of Plogue 3. Install the 3 bidules in the layout folder of Plogue 4. Start Plogue Bidule and rescan for plugins and groups 5. Make sure the filerecorder is saying : 16 bits !!!! USAGE ------ There are 3 bidules which handle different kind of music. 1. Voice-Center.bidule This bidule handles music with a singer in the center of the stereo. This is checked quite easily by putting your receiver into DPL mode and listen very carefully to the voice. If it's coming from the Center speaker only, then you should use this one. After conversion, the voice comes out of the Center only. 2. Voice-Non Center_or_instrumental.bidule This one is useful for songs where the voice in not (or not only) in the center and for instrumentals. After the conversion you will hear the voice from all speakers, but the accent is on the Center 3. Instrumental.bidule Use this one or the previous for tracks without voice. 4. For a first run, don't change a thing in the bidules, but do make sure the filerecorder is using 16 bits. Of course your source need to be converted to 32 bits floating first for the best results !! 5. Save your output to the Besweet folder 6. Run start.bat, but first edit (right-click and chose "edit") it to suit your settings. Here is the batch routine : BeSweet.exe -core( -input 01.wav -output f:\01- -6ch ) ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-FL.wav f:\01-New-FL.wav del f:\01-FL.wav ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-FR.wav f:\01-New-FR.wav del f:\01-FR.wav ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-C.wav f:\01-New-C.wav del f:\01-C.wav ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-SL.wav f:\01-New-SL.wav del f:\01-SL.wav ssrc.exe --twopass --normalize f:\01-SR.wav f:\01-New-SR.wav del f:\01-SR.wav copy f:\01-LFE.wav f:\01-New-LFE.wav del f:\01-LFE.wav As you see I use 01.wav as name for the 6channel WAV file in the Besweet folder (in my case on e and I do the processing to drive f:\ . Change these values to the ones you wish to use. (Don't use spaces in the filename !) If you want the input WAV in the same directory, leave out the harddisc letter , but make sure it has another name after "-output" in the Besweet line ! In my case it will output 6 mono 16 bits 44.1 Khz WAV's to harddisc f: . As usual you can use these to make a DTS cd...... EXTRA INFORMATION -------------------- Voxengo stereo VST uses presets and we got a very good result with a preset of "pretty wide" . If you wish to experiment with these settings, it's very easy. Just doubleclick on the VST in Plogue and adjust to another preset or make your own. However : our results are all based on the "pretty wide" setting and we don't take responsibility for a worse conversion when using other settings The same goes for the normalize routine. With these bidules we found that making all 5 mono files at the same peak level, gives the best result. It can be that you wish to have less sound in the rears. Just edit the batch and replace the setting for SSRC to your own preferences. Regarding the messages about the LFE : all three routines don't have a separate LFE output ! The LFE file you see in the routines is empty ! Well, this is about it..... happy testing and please share your thoughts here ! kind regards, Kempfand and Eye of Horus Last edited by Eye of Horus; 9th June 2004 at 20:47.