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Old 16th April 2008, 01:07   #414  |  Link
benwaggoner
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I have noticed a number of unbelievably badly encoded Blu-ray discs lately. This is probably for the same marketing reasons as previously mentioned; many companies are still marketing really bad encoders. Its ironic to see that real-time broadcast encoders can do better jobs than Blu-ray encoders!
Yeah, I'm a judge for the DVDA Excellence Awards, and just got done judging a number of DVD and BD discs. I was really surprised how problematic many of the BD discs were, particularly in dark areas. Tons of blocking in black and other problems.

Keeping low-luma looking good was a major focus of all our work in PEP for VC-1, and one of the reasons why many compressionists prefer it over the H.264 products. Apropos of what what I was saying above, I don't think there's anything particular about VC-1 that made it easeir to do this; it was a matter of hearing the feedback that this had become a big problem due to all the consumer displays with non-perceptually-uniform gamma an elevated blacks, and then our spending a ton of time tweaking the encoder to do well in that case.

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One particularly bad one I saw had the following properties:
1. No P or B subpartitions.
2. 8x8dct only.
3. i8x8 only; no other block types.
4. Ridiculously long motion vectors throughout the frame in nearly static scenes.
Wow. Can you share what title that was?

I'm not aware of any commercial BD encoders that are THAT bad, although I haven't done stream analysis of the output of all of them by any means. Being all 8x8 seems particularly odd.
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