thanx for ur replys
only problem is
4x burnt results in this ring
8x burnt results in a good burn !
havent really tried any other media as of yet maybe a few laser and unknown brands
the ritek go4 i think they are heard good comments all round but havent been able to find them anywhere in sydney australia thats driving distance and reasonably cheap so any of you guys from sydney know where i can get them from that would be radical knowing
fluidtek.com.au
im going to there shop in a few days they have a good range of stuff so ill see what happens when i get there
ill check in after that