problem with 'Hitch' dvd

[gantengx]

Hi guys, got a bit problem with 'hitch' dvd,

I bought it in adelaide, the dvd region is 4 (PAL) and i ripped it using dvddecrypter, frameserve it using dgindex 1.4.1, rip the subtitle using subrip 1.30b7 and i got a bit problem

the video file just shown black picture (totally black) for around 4 minutes+... so the total length of the movie is around 1:58, and the subtitle give the exact same length, but for the audio it's only 1:53, try to synchronized it but so difficult... and also when first play the audio got a bit of documentary...it's so weird... try with different track and all the track is wrong execpt the documentary one (only first few seconds got documentary)...

and the other problem is i convert to divx, and i'm using ac3 audio, then i put it in .mkv file and if i try to play in WMP I can't skip to the other part, if i try to, the movie won't play. if i play with BSPlayer i got error message (can't even play at all)

try to convert to .avi, if i play on WMP i can skip but the audio won't play at all if i skip the time....

Anyone knows how to fix this? It's really weird problem...never had this kind of problem before..... :confused:

[BSpielbauer]

Gangtenx:

The disc you are dealing with is a Sony ARccOS disc (you said you were dealing with the Region 4 version of "Hitch.") Actually, the Region 1 version of "Hitch" used one variation of Sony ArCCos, while the Region 2, and 4, and 5 versions used a slightly different version of Sony ARccOs.

You may have known this. I cannot be certain from your post, though...

Click here to read all about Sony Arccos discs, and how to make them behave (http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=48842&highlight=Sony+Arccos+running)

Note that SOME of the Sony ARccOS discs will rip properly with a program such as DVDDecrypter, while some will not. The latter may need a special .PSL file (which you can create yourself, it is fairly easy to do). This is only necessary on a very few discs, so far. ("Closer," in certain regions, and "Saw," in certain regions). I did not think that "Hitch" was one of these...

There are also oher rippers which can handle these, simply because they are being updated regularly.

Note this, though: On SOME of the Sony ArCCos discs, the structure protection problem manages to insert a completely "blank screen" for anywhere from 3 to 7 minutes, usually at the very beginning of the "Main Title." This is done through the use of the "running boy" or the "jumping boy" nonsense -- a silly advertising / name recognition blurb which is included as one of the "extras" on the disc. IF you have one of these discs, it can still be dealt with.

One simple method --
Step one -- DVDDecrypter to rip (if it will handle it). Or, one of the other rippers that can handle it.
Step two -- Use DVDShrink or VOBBlanker or a similar program to "re-rip" using the files which are now your hard drive (choose "no compression" if you wish). But, in re-author mode you can simply cut out the blank section entirely, right down to the very first frame that actually appears.
Step three -- Then, of course, you can do with it as you normally prefer (burn it, compress it, etc.)

-Bruce

[setarip_old]

@BSpielbauer

Hi!

Note this, though: On SOME of the Sony ArCCos discs, the structure protection problem manages to insert a completely "blank screen" for anywhere from 3 to 7 minutes, usually at the very beginning of the "Main Title." This is done through the use of the "running boy" or the "jumping boy" nonsense -- a silly advertising / name recognition blurb which is included as one of the "extras" on the disc.

I believe you're "mixing apples and oranges here". The "Billy Elliot"/"running boy" nag screen is used only on Universal DVDs - and is not part of SONY's "ARccOS" copy protection scheme.

[setarip_old]

@gangtengx

Hi!

As an alternative to the suggestions made by "BSpielbauer", I've found it very simple to:

1) First use SmartRipper in "Stream Processing" mode to extract properly multiplexed audio/video/subtitles streams (only those desired) as .VOBs from the hard drive files created by DVD Decrypter

2) Then use the SmartRipper-created files for conversion to .AVI.

3) Then use VirtualDub (Set BOTH "Video" and "Audio" to "Direct Stream Copy") to trim off the initial black screen period

[cynthia_old]

Sounds as you ripped the DVD in DVD Decrypter in ISO mode? In that mode you have to change the default setting to deal with this or use the file mode ripping.

[BSpielbauer]

@BSpielbauer
I believe you're "mixing apples and oranges here". The "Billy Elliot"/"running boy" nag screen is used only on Universal DVDs - and is not part of SONY's "ARccOS" copy protection scheme.

I do not believe this is "apples and oranges" at all. The Universal scheme is Sony ARccOs, and it uses the same scheme -- deliberately induced flaws in the structure (causing so-called bad sectors).

Click here to read about the "running boy / jumping boy" (http://forums.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?threadid=46046)

And, to clarify, reportedly, Sony has apparently "sold" the structure protection copy protection scheme for use on non-Sony DVDs.

Read this next thread (which is from this forum) especially the last few posts toward the very bottom, for a discusssion of this:

Click here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88100&highlight=Evil)

Note espcially the two posts wherein Blutach responds to the same issue:

Originally posted by sweetness:
"i just got my first one of these and let me tell you it's not from Sony. "

Originally posted by Blutach:
"Sony are selling it to other firms as a means of copy protection."

Click here to read Sony's own advertisement of this product, which has reportedly been bought and used by Universal. (http://www.sonydadc.com/products.copy.arccos.go)


-Bruce

[gantengx]

thanks guys for the reply, but if i re-rip the vob file, how about the subtitle (.srt) file?it means i need to readjust the whole timing again? i don't want to make the subtitle fixed in the movie, coz i'm thinking of using mkv file so i can just choose whether i want the subtitle or not....

[blutach]

@gantengx

I have Hitch R4. DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0 ate it for brekky (I used file mode all files). The main movie has jumping boy type properties in its first 10 cells. These are replaced by DVD Decrypter in the ripping process by a small blank of 14 frames (reused 9 times) and the title plays by playing a 1/2 second blank cell and then, via a cell command, skipping to the start of the real movie in cell 10.

So, rip with DVD Decrypter, and if you want to, demux with PgcDemux, process further from there and you should be fine.

Regards

[gantengx]

@blutach

how about if i use dvdfab decrypter? it's said that it can remove all the protections..
anyway, i never used pgcdemux before, and i don't know about the dvd programming language...could you give me like step by step tutorial on how to do that? hehehe thanks a lot =D (i need to get the subtitle on .srt file too)

[cynthia_old]

Still curious - did you use ISO mode in the first attempt?

DVDFab Decrypter will remove those black intros. :)

[gantengx]

nope, i'll never use iso mode, always use file mode :)

[AndiDog]

I also had a problem with Hitch. Maybe it is the same as yours.

There was one broken cell (I know it was one out of the first 15 cells). In DVDDecrypter (IFO mode), I just deselected the cell and everything worked.

Afterwards, the AC3 stream had an delay of 1600ms.

[blutach]

@AndiDog - That delay is wayyyyy outa spec.

@gantengx - I just ripped in file mode, all files with DVD Decrypter no need for DVD Fab Decrypter at all.

There is no need to do anything to the VM commands - the movie plays perfectly in full disk or even in DVD Shrink re-author mode as the first 10 cells have been blanked by DVD Decrypter. In any event, in re-author mode, you can chop out the 3 or 4 seconds of blackness if you are really worried about it.

PgcDemux is as easy as pie. DL it from the VobBlanker site. Load in the IFO with the movie (it's VTS_08_0.IFO for the R4 DVD). Pick an output folder (I use New Folder on the Desktop). Pick PGC 1 (the movie). Tick video, all audio and all subs. Click Process and you will end up with an m2v, some ac3s and various sups. Discard the unneeded ac3 and sups.

If the subtitles are not in the format you like use SubtitleCreator or similar to convert.

Regards

[dragongodz]

the first 10 cells have been blanked by DVD Decrypter
In any event, in re-author mode, you can chop out the 3 or 4 seconds of blackness if you are really worried about it.
and of course just running the ripped dvd through vobblanker removes such unreferenced material aswell.

[gantengx]

@blutach
thanks a lot...i'll try it tomorrow...soon i get the result i'll tell you guys thanks :D

[setarip_old]

@BSpielbauer

Not to belabor the point regarding the "Jumping Boy" copy protection but,

1) Nothing in your linked SONY advertisement indicates that the "Jumping Boy" is a form of "ARccOS" copy protection

2) Quoting another post (at a different forum) referring to both the "Jumping Boy" and "ARccOS" doesn't substantiate that one is a version of the other

[BSpielbauer]

Set_A_Rip_Old:

>>>>Not to belabor the point regarding the "Jumping Boy" copy protection but,<<<

Have you ever noticed that this phrase -- "not to belabor the point" -- inevitably leads to an attempt to belabor the point?

>>>>1) Nothing in your linked SONY advertisement indicates that the "Jumping Boy" is a form of "ARccOS" copy protection<<<<

True. I was merely pointing out that Sony is actively trying to sell the scheme to the other authors. I believe this was clear, from the original post. There was no intent to mislead.

>>>>>>2) Quoting another post (at a different forum) referring to both the "Jumping Boy" and "ARccOS" doesn't substantiate that one is a version of the other<<<


True. And, the post I quoted from this forum does not substantiate that, either. By definition. However, given the existing evidence, I am afraid I shall go with the obvious, in this case. You have every right, obviously, to remain somewhere out there in substantion-land.

Thus, we shall agree to disagree. No harm done.

The fact is that both companies are using what is essentially the same form a structure protection which appeared on the market at approximately the same time. And, the majority of people I have seen post on this issue believe that it is merely a second "iteration" of Sony ARccOS. A minor variation. Just as there have been minor variations on some of the European releases of a few of the Sony / Columbia / Tristar discs. They believe this for several reasons.

And, one might even make the argument that Sony / Columbia / Tristar would sue the pants off of Universal in an instant for daring to use using this scheme, (an obvious patent lawsuit) since it is utilizing the same "trick" that Sony developed, to try to cause rippers to fail -- it is playing with very minor differences between the tag, and the cell it refers to, in areas that will not stifle DVD players.

And, the case is certainly strong that the timing of the first appearances of this new form of copy protection -- if one factors in the press releases and the beginnings of advertisments -- supports my thesis.

Respectfully,

-Bruce

[setarip_old]

@BSpielbauer

Thus, we shall agree to disagree.

Absolutely ;>}

You might want to read what LIGHTNING UK!, the author of DVD Decrypter, had to say about the "Jumping Boy" protection and "ARccOS" protection at:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:okiE_ak9tt4J:forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3D41b59a8a7729efd69bc6ecde676332f3%26postid%3D232539+%22jumping+boy%22+and+%22ARccOS%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

The pertinent quote is, "It would be nice to have a real list of discs with just the jumping boy issue as these are nothing to do with ARccOS."

[BSpielbauer]

You might want to read what LIGHTNING UK!, the author of DVD Decrypter, had to say about the "Jumping Boy" protection and "ARccOS" protection at:

Been there, done that. Read it the day he posted it, which led to the initial debate.

Respectfully,

-Bruce

[setarip_old]

Been there, done that. Read it the day he posted it, which led to the initial debate.

No idea what you mean by "Been there, done that" in this instance but, if you're suggesting that the author of DVD Decrypter doesn't know what he's talking about when he says the "Jumping Boy" issue has nothing to do with "ARccOS", I'd suggest you're simply wrong.

If you mean something else, please be good enough to elaborate...

[sparkyspark]

Download trial versions of AnyDvd 5.4.1.1 and Clone Dvd 2.8.5.1 at http://www.slysoft.com/en/download.html these will do the job.

[gantengx]

@blutach
I've tried dvdfab but it's just the same still have to use pgcdemux...anyway, i used it and i got
m2v, ac3s and sups files, what does the sup files do? and how do i get the subtitle? should i use
subrip again from the ifo file or how?

thanks...

[blutach]

The sups are your subtitle files in sup format. Pick the ones you want to keep. Subtitle Workshop (http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=Subtitle_Workshop) can help convert them to SRT format. Make sure you get your sync right.

Regards

[gantengx]

yup i installed it already but seems like i can't open the sup file.....how to do it? i never use this software before... hehehe :D

[blutach]

Google is your friend

http://www.videohelp.com/forum/archive/t269211.html

Regards

[Patjen]

Download trial versions of AnyDvd 5.4.1.1 and Clone Dvd 2.8.5.1 at http://www.slysoft.com/en/download.html these will do the job.


Not with Hitch R2 they wont :-((
Also tried anydvd with dvddecrypter (changed dvdd settings as said earlier in this thread), still no go.

Currently trying with magic dvd ripper, seems to be working so far, currently at 80% where all the others quit at 2%...

[bilc]

Not to beat a dead horse regarding the movie Hitch, but I was able to backup a copy on to a DVD+RW until I got some DVD-R discs with DVDDecript....And the dics plays good in all of my players, so I desided to do an ISO on to a DVD-R with shrink...at 75% done the process crashed ? Unable to copy. This is a region 1 disc. Any thoughts ??
bilc

[setarip_old]

@bilc

Try copying the DVD file "package" (The "VIDEO_TS" folder and all of its contents - .IFOs, .BUPs, .VOBS) to your hard drive - and create the .ISO from the hard drive files...

[Patjen]

@bilc

Try copying the DVD file "package" (The "VIDEO_TS" folder and all of its contents - .IFOs, .BUPs, .VOBS) to your hard drive - and create the .ISO from the hard drive files...

This was also suggested earlier in this thread I think, I also tried it, got a cyclic redundancy error (anydvd was running at that time).

Seemed to have worked though with magic dvd ripper. I did a quick encode with shrink and result seems ok, no synch problems I think. I must admit I just browsed the result with powerdvd and did not yet watch the entire movie on my standalone.
If movie plays ok , then dvdrebuilder can have a go at it for the best result:-))

[setarip_old]

@Patjen

EDIT***This was also suggested earlier in this thread I think, I also tried it, got a cyclic redundancy error (anydvd was running at that time).

My response was addressed to "bilc" (who is attempting to copy an already-ripped disc) End EDIT***


I also tried it, got a cyclic redundancy error (anydvd was running at that time).

There would be no reason to be running "AnyDVD" when copying an already ripped "package" to or from your hard drive

Seemed to have worked though with magic dvd ripper.

Congratulations on resolving your dilemma!

[sparkyspark]

In reply to Patjen the problem with 'Hitch' was solved long ago using AnyDvd and Clone Dvd, I'me also Region 2 and had same problem with this disc read thread at http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=139972 . You really must try to keep up with latest software now Dvd Shrink and Dvd Decrypter no longer get updated. Slysoft bend over backwards to post latest answers to any new arCOss protection as it is brought to there attension. You might also get people to check original discs for errors using with CD Speed at http://www.cdfreaks.com/software/34 the disc might also be corrupt if it's coming up with Cyclic Redundancy Error . Don't keep going round the woods to get to the trees the answers are always there you just have to spend time looking for them. Now I've pointed go look.

[Patjen]

In reply to Patjen the problem with 'Hitch' was solved long ago using AnyDvd and Clone Dvd, I'me also Region 2 and had same problem with this disc read thread at http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=139972 . You really must try to keep up with latest software now Dvd Shrink and Dvd Decrypter no longer get updated. Slysoft bend over backwards to post latest answers to any new arCOss protection as it is brought to there attension. You might also get people to check original discs for errors using with CD Speed at http://www.cdfreaks.com/software/34 the disc might also be corrupt if it's coming up with Cyclic Redundancy Error . Don't keep going round the woods to get to the trees the answers are always there you just have to spend time looking for them. Now I've pointed go look.

Sorry, but I forgot to mention in my first post that anydvd + clonedvd also did NOT work for me. Clonedvd reported an unreadable segment (or something like that, can't recall the exact error msg).
And in regard to your answer : yes, I keep up with latest software, yes, I've read several posts regarding ArccOS, yes, offcourse I checked the disc for scratches and yes I've spend a lot of time looking for answers....so I reject you implying that I wanted to take the short cut to your 'trees'. :angry:
But anyway , magic dvd ripper worked so no harm done.
Even liked the Movie so..... ;)