American Wedding problems with DVD Rebuild 1.00 RC4.1

[Acerjen]

I have been trying to backup American Wedding and it is not coming out correctly. I believe that it is due to the IILV. The problem is where two
segments come together there is a split second where I see a "blip", where
it appears to have a screen full of collored blocks. It is difficult to describe, so here is a sample of the video where this occurs:

http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/acerjen/american_wedding_sample.m2v

I have been using DVD Rebuild 1.00 RC1 and on with no problems, except on this title, which is an IILV movie. I know my description of the problem sucks, which is why I provided the sample video above. I believe the problem is DVD Rebuilder and how it is handling the IILV segments but I AM NOT 100% sure. Any ideas or comments are greatly appreciated to help me figure this out.

Here is some info that might help:

Version: DVD Rebuild 1.00 RC4.1
AVISYNTH: Version 2.5.6.0
CCE: CCE 2.67 SP using ECLCCE
Decoder: DGDECODE that comes with DVD Rebuilder
Movie Format: NTSC Region 1

As far as the segments where this problem occurs, I have one segment named V05000400003002 and one named V05000500004001. The "blip" as I call it, occurs where these two segments are put together. Here are samples of those segments, as well as their .AVS files, before they are rebuilt:


http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/acerjen/V05000400003002.m2v

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:03, CELLID:02
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\DVD Programs\Encoders\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("I:\AMERICAN WEDDING\D2VAVS\VI0500003002.D2V")
trim(0,87)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)
AudioDub(BlankClip())


http://www.angelfire.com/mo2/acerjen/V05000500004001.m2v

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:04, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\DVD Programs\Encoders\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\DGDecode.dll")
mpeg2source("I:\AMERICAN WEDDING\D2VAVS\V05.D2V")
trim(14244,16766)
ConvertToYUY2()
AudioDub(BlankClip())


I have tried backing this movie up using 5-pass CCE and 1-pass VBR (with analysis). This problem occurs on both. I have also tried HC and QuEnc. Same problem.

This may be a DVD Rebuilder problem in how it handles the IILV stuff. But, I am no expert on this stuff, so it may be CCE or AVISYNTH related. I don't know, which is why I am asking for the forum's help. Any ideals, comments, suggestions, etc., please feel free to reply. I have a few other IILV titles to back up, but would like to get past this issue first. Thanks for your time and your help. Later.


-Acerjen

[Acerjen]

Here is the rebuilder.txt log file, in case the info it contains may be useful.
I did not put it with the first post because it made the post too long.
Again, this is for American Wedding, NTSC, Region 1. Thanks.

[03:10:04] One Click encoding activated...
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- CCE SP ECLCCE encoder selected.
- "One Pass VBR (w/analysis)" mode is enabled.
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-- ANGLE and/or INTERLEAVING is present.
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- Processed 212.0MB ILVU section...
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-- Scanning and writing .D2V & .AVS files
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- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 52.9%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,878/2,302Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,470,018KB
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- Versions :
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-- QuEnc Version: 0.6.1.0
-- HC Version: 0.15.0.1
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[Rockas]

Try it on VBR mode... you shouldn't use "One pass" on ILVU titles.

[jptheripper]

opv just seems more hassle than it is worth, in general, doesnt it?

[Trahald]

i think he mentioned trying vbr. btw.. how did you get (make) that sample video? i looked at it in virtualdubmod and played back frame by frame, the video switches from inside the house to outside for one frame. (played back fast it blocks but its prolly just the decoder unable to keep up with the big scene switch. ) either way it shouldnt be..

[Acerjen]

Rockas,

I tried it using VBR, also. Same result.

Trahald,

I made the sample video using cutterman. The source was the rebuilt movie.
I didn't use sound, as it wasn't needed to see the problem.

Thanks. Later.

-Acerjen

[Acerjen]

Traheld,

I just ran it through VirtualDubMod, as you did, and see the same thing.
The "blip", as I call it, is the video stream switching to a different frame
and then back. It appears to be just 1 frame from the outside scene.
So, do you think it is a DVD Rebuilder problem? If so, how do I make
Jdobbs aware of it?

Thanks. Later.

-Acerjen

[Rockas]

Rockas,

I tried it using VBR, also. Same result.

Trahald,

I made the sample video using cutterman. The source was the rebuilt movie.
I didn't use sound, as it wasn't needed to see the problem.

Thanks. Later.

-Acerjen
Sorry... I missed that part... I was refering to the log you posted... don't you have the log of the VRB mode?

[Acerjen]

No. But I can re-do it again using CCE VBR mode and post the log
if that will help???


-Acerjen

[Rockas]

Well... maybe yes... maybe no :D

Just one stupid question... do your RIPED files play well?

[Trahald]

yeah.. the more info the better.. ;)

also.. how did you test the original files? on hardware player? or software dvd player? the way ilvu works you can get different results on real (meaning ifo driven) playback than when you demux the file.

[Rippraff]

@Acerjen
First I'ld recommend to use AviSynth 2.5.5. 2.5.6 ist still beta.

Second uncheck AudioDub(BlankClip()) in AVS options. This is only needed if you work with CCE 2.5 in connection with an Athlon Thunderbird or Duron.

Third, I can't believe that this ones right:
- Analyzing VTS_05 for optimal Q factor.
-- TargetSize (sectors):1,235,848
-- Sampling 1836 of 183204 frames.
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=38: 49,050
-- Predicted size (sectors) at Q=1: 86,017
- Q Value selected: 1

VTS_05 is your main movie with 5.5 GB. Looking at your other Q values, it seems to me that CCE is crashing during Q prediction.

What cpu are you using, is it overclocked?

Cu Rippraff

[Acerjen]

Rockas: My ripped files play fine.

Trahald: I tried the rebuild out on both hardware and software players.

Rippraff: My CPU is an Athlon 64 3200 (2.0GHz). It is NOT overclocked.

I appreciate the input. Any other ideals will be appreciated. Thanks. Later.


-Acerjen

[jdobbs]

@Acerjen

If you still have the directory, could you package up the following into a ZIP file and send me a copy? Also -- is this a PAL or NTSC version of American Wedding?

1. A listing of the D2VAVS directory.
2. All the AVS files
3. All the D2V files
4. REBUILDER.INF
5. REBUILDER.ECL

If you can, please send to dvd-rb@dvd-rb.com

Interesting problem... I can't imagine how a frame from the beginning of a clip suddenly gets appended to the end???

Thanks.

[jdobbs]

Have you tried this with RC5?

[Acerjen]

Jdobbs,

Yes, I have tried it with RC5 and the "outside frame" misplacement is still there. Since you have tried the disc yourself and are not running into the same thing, I believe I may have a bad rip. The original plays fine. The ripped files play fine, but PowerDVD could be running into an error in the ripped files and is ignoring it.
I will re-rip the files tomorrow and give it another go with RC5. I will let you know of the results. I appreciate your time and effort. And thanks for an excellent program. Later.


-Acerjen

[jdobbs]

I just watched the backup copy today (I put it in to test it -- but couldn't get up after the movie started)... so I'm positive it doesn't have any errors. I even watched the extras.

There is just nothing quite like a couple of hours of Stifler... :D