Playing Matroska with Zoom Player 2.9

[JimmyBarnes]

Hi

Have got a certain MKV file (XviD) which plays normally (audio, video, subs) in Windows Media Player Classic but which won't even start playing in Zoom Player 2.90. The latter handles AVI, XCD and OGM containers normally, as well as codecs XviD, DivX, mp3, OggVorbis, rm, mov, so I am puzzled as to why it won't play the MKV.

I have Matroska Pack Full 1.1.1 installed, and also copied MatroskaSplitter.ax (normal or unicode) to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ and registered this in ZP2.9 as the latter seemed to require this.

A search of all forums shows nothing relevant.

clues please

JB

[filewalker]

I have Matroska Pack Full 1.1.1 installed, and also copied MatroskaSplitter.ax (normal or unicode) to C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ and registered this in ZP2.9 as the latter seemed to require this.
MPC has it's own (same) Matroska Splitter, which is used in MPC.

If Matroska Pack installs the MatroskaSplitter, you don't need to copy it to system32 folder. (did you unregister MatroskaSplitter first before copying to system32 and reregistering ?...otherwise you have 2 registrations of 1 filter, what's not so good.)

Is it only one file which doesn't work? Do other MKV files work?
What's exactly in the MKV file?
Do you have installed latest VSFilter (from pack) and the required audio codec?

If you would update Zoomplayer to latest beta you could use Haali's Splitter...

Cu

[JimmyBarnes]

MPC has it's own (same) Matroska Splitter, which is used in MPC.

If Matroska Pack installs the MatroskaSplitter, you don't need to copy it to system32 folder. (did you unregister MatroskaSplitter first before copying to system32 and reregistering ?...otherwise you have 2 registrations of 1 filter, what's not so good.) Cu

Yes I unregistered the one I manually registered.


Is it only one file which doesn't work? Do other MKV files work?
What's exactly in the MKV file?


This is the 1st and only MKV I've ever run across. It's got:
XviD video, 2x OggVorbis audio streams, 2x subtitle streams


Do you have installed latest VSFilter (from pack) and the required audio codec?

Don't know about VSfilter but one of the OGG streams plays fine on its own (in Winamp 5).


If you would update Zoomplayer to latest beta you could use Haali's Splitter...

ZP2.9 does every thing else, I'm not keen to do that just for this one file.

Stranger still...
I demuxed one OGG stream as PCM WAV and converted to MP3 using LAME.
The MP3 plays fine on its own. I demuxed the XviD stream by itself. and it plays fine in ZP2.9. When I remux the XviD and MP3 into an AVI, ZP2.9 opens it but won't start playing (just like the MKV).

JB

Cu[/QUOTE]

[filewalker]

Despite all I would install VSFilter (http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/) (maybe ZP can't render the file untill all streams are decoded by a filter).
I demuxed the XviD stream by itself. and it plays fine in ZP2.9. When I remux the XviD and MP3 into an AVI, ZP2.9 opens it but won't start playing (just like the MKV). That's really strange. I never had such a file.

You can try to remux it. Grab MKVMerge and after some seconds it's remuxed...maybe then it'll work.

Sorry for no better advice.

Cu

[JimmyBarnes]

Despite all I would install VSFilter (http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/) (maybe ZP can't render the file untill all streams are decoded by a filter).

What does VSFilter do?


That's really strange. I never had such a file.


I concur.


You can try to remux it. Grab MKVMerge and after some seconds it's remuxed...maybe then it'll work.


I'll try it but fact I have already done this with the XviD stream + mp3 from OGG makes me think there is something amiss with the XviD stream. I would rather not reprocess it, but ...


Sorry for no better advice.
Cu


Thanks for your help

cheers
JB

[niamh]

What does VSFilter do?
Subtitles.

Did you tick the avi box when you installed the matroska splitter? it's off by default. Does wmp 6.4 fail too? (run> mplayer2)
I'd venture the file is the culprit, and MPC's splitter just manages to play it anyway. Simply remuxing it a probably a good start.. put the original mkv file in mkvtoolnix, and simply press ok

[JimmyBarnes]

Subtitles.

Did you tick the avi box when you installed the matroska splitter? it's off by default.

Unticked as I did not want MKV hijacking the playing of AVI files. I probably misunderstand. What would ticking AVI have done?


Does wmp 6.4 fail too? (run> mplayer2)


"Unsupported format"


I'd venture the file is the culprit, and MPC's splitter just manages to play it anyway. Simply remuxing it a probably a good start.. put the original mkv file in mkvtoolnix, and simply press ok

Beats me how the XviD stream plays OK, the MP3 converted from OGG plays OK, but XviD+MP3 muxed in an AVI doesn't play in ZP2.9, but does in WMP 6.4 (not classic)

JB

[niamh]

What would ticking AVI have done?
Nothing at all, it would just explain why both avi and mkv don't play. As it is, it isn't a splitter issue :).
I'm not familiar with ZP,but unsupported format in 6.4 means there is something missing, a codec or the splitter itself.
I cant answer for your xvid mp3 avi, though, except that ZP seems to be responsible.
Might be time to look at those files in graphedit, to see what decodes them

[JimmyBarnes]

Nothing at all, it would just explain why both avi and mkv don't play. As it is, it isn't a splitter issue :).
I'm not familiar with ZP,but unsupported format in 6.4 means there is something missing, a codec or the splitter itself.
I cant answer for your xvid mp3 avi, though, except that ZP seems to be responsible.
Might be time to look at those files in graphedit, to see what decodes them

I found the problem was to do with subtitles. If I remove the SRT files, the AVI (XviD + MP3 from OGG) plays fine in ZP2.9 - but then it's unintelligible.

JB

[filewalker]

AFAIK older ZP versions don't work well with latest Haali MatroskaSplitter (which is included in the newest Matroska Pack).

I would suggest to (if you want to use ZP 2.9):

Uninstall Matraoska Pack

and install manually:
VSFilter (new name for DirectVobSub)
MatroskaSplitter (from Gabest)
and needed audio codecs (if not installed)

VSFilter and MatroskSplitter can be found at:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/guliverkli/

then it should work.

[JimmyBarnes]

AFAIK older ZP versions don't work well with latest Haali MatroskaSplitter (which is included in the newest Matroska Pack).

I would suggest to (if you want to use ZP 2.9):

Uninstall Matraoska Pack

and install manually: ...


Check my previous post. Why should subtitles (as SRT text) prevent an AVI from playing?

JB

[niamh]

So it's vsfilter, as often :) (we all mentioned it)
Follow previous instructions, and yes, it can stop a file playing right enough :)

[JimmyBarnes]

So it's vsfilter, as often :) (we all mentioned it)
Follow previous instructions, and yes, it can stop a file playing right enough :)

I uninstalled Matroska Pack Full 1.1.1, manually registered the non-Unicode
versions of MatroskaSplitter.ax 1.0.2.6 and VSFilter.ax 2.36, and hey! the original MKV played normally on ZP2.90 (under WinXP Pro). :D

I didn't uninstall the previous version of VobSub (2.23) though as it used DVobSub.ax, there will presumably be no conflict.

BTW, on another PC running WIN Me, I installed Matroska Pack Lite 1.1.1
(Full pack not suitable for Me) and the "suspect" MKV played normally in ZP 4.0.3WMV.

Also BTW, What is the difference between Unicode and Non-unicode versions?

Thanks for everyone's help

JB

[niamh]

I didn't uninstall the previous version of VobSub (2.23) though as it used DVobSub.ax, there will presumably be no conflict.
Nah, once you have vobsub, keep it there, all you need to update is vsfilter really.

Also BTW, What is the difference between Unicode and Non-unicode versions?
Unicode for 2K and XP, non-unicode for 98 and ME that don't support unicode

and the "suspect" MKV played normally in ZP 4.0.3WMV.
Heh, it probably isn't suspect ;) , you were just not set up properly for playback