Intervideo WinDVD7...

[video]

now supports mpeg4 H.264/AVC
according to this announce (http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/WinDVD_Profile.jsp). Have anybody tested nero digital avc compatibility?

[daldrum]

including subtitles (files created by Recode)?

[video]

including subtitles (files created by Recode)?

dunno my friend :) i was just asked wether it's compatible with nero digital. today you have to install the full NVE 3.x to have your nero digital titles playable. it would be so nice if a standalone player can do the dance...

[daldrum]

OK, I already found out that it actually supports only Main Profile, bye bye, WinDVD, for now at least

[video]

OK, I already found out that it actually supports only Main Profile, bye bye, WinDVD, for now at least

nero digital means main profile avc today.

[Rash]

Wow, I didn't get this working at all!!! It installs perfectly but doesn't play!

[Dragon Shenron]

Wow, I didn't get this working at all!!! It installs perfectly but doesn't play!

Did you perhaps enable HW decoding? I had the same problem with version 6 and after disabling the HW decoding it worked.

[Rash]

Yes, I do use HW Decoding. Anyway, if that is the problem then it is OK. I like MPC for my MP4 videos. ;)

[Delerue]

Wow, I didn't get this working at all!!! It installs perfectly but doesn't play!

I had this problem. Just uninstall WinDVD 7 and 6, then reinstall WinDVD 7 again. Here worked.

BTW, someone has black screens blinking sometimes when TrimensionDNM is enable? Movies like "Contact" and "Lethal Weapon 2", per example, show this problem. I see WinDVD7 turning off Trimension for a few seconds, and then reanable; this process causes the fast (but weird) black screens blinking.

When U enable TrimensionDNM, a black screen appear fast; it's normal, ok. But this problem appear all the time, I mean, each 10 or 15 minutes, and I don't need to do anything; just watch the movie. Any idea? Oh! Just to remember: this problem doesn't happen in WinDVD 6.

Ps.: sorry for my bad english; portuguese is my official languange. ;)

[Oki]

I can play DVD movies with WinDVD 7 Platinum trial but I can not activate Trimension.

Any idea?

Regards
Oki

[Rash]

Oki, I was never able to enable Trimension for DVDs. Since I use WinDVD only for DVDs, that feature has always been useless to me.

But you can activate it for any hard disk videos you might have.

[Delerue]

Oki, I was never able to enable Trimension for DVDs. Since I use WinDVD only for DVDs, that feature has always been useless to me.

I don´t understand. Trimension is for DVDs. Why it's useless to you?

But you can activate it for any hard disk videos you might have.

I don't think so. :(

[Oki]

OK, I already found out that it actually supports only Main Profile, bye bye, WinDVD, for now at least

Where did you find that information? I am still with no clue about my problem.

Regards,
Oki

[Delerue]

Where did you find that information? I am still with no clue about my problem.

Regards,
Oki

Intervideo updates WinDVD without any notification. I hate it! This new version (I get it today) of WinDVD 7 doesn't support Trimension anymore (it's because WinDVD 7 has a lot of bugs with this tecnology, I think).

I suggest you to download WinDVD 6, that works perfectly (including Trimension tecnology). ;)

Hugs

[Oki]

I suggest you to download WinDVD 6, that works perfectly (including Trimension tecnology). ;)

Hugs
I am afraid that WinDVD6 is not working for me either. I tried several DVDs, for instance "The 5th Element" region 2. WinDVD6 gives me this information:

Version:
6.0 B06.161
Navigation:
Type: DVD
Region: 2
Drive: D:
TV System: PAL.
Macrovision Level: 2
Media Errors: 1
Video:
Hardware:
Vendor: Nvidia
Stream:
Type: Interlaced MPEG2
Bitrate: 7.800 Mbps
Framerate: 25.000 Hz
Resolution: 720x576
Aspect ratio: 16x9
Audio:
Hardware:
Audio Device: directsound
S/PDIF: None
Number of speakers: 2
Stream:
Type: MPEG Audio
Bitrate: 192 Kbps
Number of main channels: 2
LFE Channel: None
Sampling Frequency: 48khz
Bits Per Sample: 16
Output:
Sample Rate: 48 KHz
Bits per Sample: 16
CPU:
Name: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
Family:6(Gen:7) Model:4 Stepping:4
Standard Feature: 0x0183f9ff
Hyper-Threading: Not supported, Not enabled
Instruction support:
Intel MMX: Enabled
Intel SSE: Not enabled
Intel SSE2: Not enabled
AMD 3DNow!: Enabled
AMD Enh 3DNow!: Enabled
AMD 3DNow! Pro: Not enabled

You can think that this processor is to old but it is not working in a P IV 2.8HT either. I checked also mi monitor refresh rate and the system is configured at 1024x768x32@75Hz.

Regards
Oki

[Delerue]

I am afraid that WinDVD6 is not working for me either. I tried several DVDs, for instance "The 5th Element" region 2. WinDVD6 gives me this information:

Version:
6.0 B06.161


This version is more new than mine. Look at that:


Version:
6.0 B06.046
Navigation:
Type: DVD
Region: 4
Drive: G:
TV System: NTSC.
Macrovision Level: 2
Video:
Hardware:
Vendor: ATI
Stream:
Type: Encrypted MPEG2
Bitrate: 7.500 Mbps
Framerate: 29.970 Hz
Resolution: 720x480
Aspect ratio: 16x9
Audio:
Hardware:
Audio Device: directsound
S/PDIF: Present
Number of speakers: 6
Stream:
Type: Dolby Digital (AC3)
Bitrate: 384 Kbps
Number of main channels: 5
LFE Channel: Present
Sampling Frequency: 48khz
Bits Per Sample: 16
Output:
Sample Rate: 48 KHz
Bits per Sample: 16
CPU:
Name: AMD Athlon(tm)
Family:6(Gen:7) Model:8 Stepping:1
Standard Feature: 0x0383fbff
Hyper-Threading: Not supported, Not enabled
Instruction support:
Intel MMX: Enabled
Intel SSE: Enabled
Intel SSE2: Not enabled
AMD 3DNow!: Enabled
AMD Enh 3DNow!: Enabled
AMD 3DNow! Pro: Enabled



You can think that this processor is to old but it is not working in a P IV 2.8HT either. I checked also mi monitor refresh rate and the system is configured at 1024x768x32@75Hz.


Try to install KaZaA Codec Pack here: http://www.codecguide.com/download_mega.htm

Try to download "RefreshLock" too, because WinDVD 6 locks refresh rate in 60Hz (blarg) when Trimension is activated. RefreshLock locks in any refresh you want (and that your monitor/VGA supports, of course) before WinDVD can change it. ;)

Good luck!

[Rash]

I don´t understand. Trimension is for DVDs. Why it's useless to you?
Useless because I could never enable it for DVDs, only for Hard Disk videos.

[Delerue]

Useless because I could never enable it for DVDs, only for Hard Disk videos.

Weird. But you can't enable Trimension in avi, wmv, mov etc. files, do you?

[Ice =A=]

You can only activate TrimensionDNM if you DEactivate hardware acceleration, did you do that?!

[Oki]

You can only activate TrimensionDNM if you DEactivate hardware acceleration, did you do that?!
Thanks Ice =A= for the idea but I already unchecked the hardware acceleration. Maybe Rash did it too. It looks like we both have the same problem.

Try to download "RefreshLock" too, because WinDVD 6 locks refresh rate in 60Hz (blarg) when Trimension is activated. RefreshLock locks in any refresh you want (and that your monitor/VGA supports, of course) before WinDVD can change it.
Thanks Delerue, I'll try RefreshLock tomorrow. It is too late now.

Can it be a problem with Interlaced MPEG2 movies??? All region 2 movies I have are interlaced.

[Ice =A=]

Hm, strange...
I assume you did try to activate Trimension while (!) you had a DVD playing?
Do you have any other DVD players installed, which could interfer with WinDVD?

[Oki]

Hm, strange...
I assume you did try to activate Trimension while (!) you had a DVD playing?
Do you have any other DVD players installed, which could interfer with WinDVD?
No, I do not have any other DVD player installed, well, only RealOne if you consider that a DVD player, but it is included in the WinDVD pack so I assume that that must be compatible.

I must say that I could only see Trimension ON while the test stream and while viewing some movie's menus. Strange, Isn't it?

Can anyone test an Interlaced MPEG2 DVD with Trimension ON? I would like to know if the interlacing is the problem or not. Even more, do you know any test stream I could use for testing Trimension? please do not forward me to those panning demos, I would like to test something with real movement.
If I had more time :angry: I would create a test stream by myself.

:thanks:

[Delerue]

Can anyone test an Interlaced MPEG2 DVD with Trimension ON? I would like to know if the interlacing is the problem or not.

"Queen - We will rock you" is an Interlaced MPEG2 DVD, and I can enable Trimension without any problem. But I'm using WinDVD 6 (have U tried?).

[Oki]

"Queen - We will rock you" is an Interlaced MPEG2 DVD, and I can enable Trimension without any problem. But I'm using WinDVD 6 (have U tried?).Yes, I have tried with WinDVD6 too, my "debug" info was taken from a WinDVD6. mmmm... The problem must be something else.

I would like to test a working MPEG2 file. It would be interesting if I could test the same MPEG2 file as someone else. It is just to see if the problem is the source or the system.

Regards,
Oki

[Delerue]

Yes, I have tried with WinDVD6 too, my "debug" info was taken from a WinDVD6.

Oops. It's true. I forget it, sorry.

BTW, I toke a look at this and became scared: http://www.trimension.com/index.php?page=windvd6faq.html

They are jokers. Look:

"The current TrimensionDNM feature supports the following refresh rates:
PAL 25-> 50Hz, 60Hz, 75Hz
NTSC 24-> 48Hz, 50Hz, 60Hz, 72Hz"

I use 85Hz and works perfectly.

"For the best performance we recommend to use a monitor refresh rate of 60 Hz for midrange PC's and 75 Hz (PAL) / 72Hz (NTSC) for high end PC's."

60Hz is poor. 72Hz isn't enough. They are must be kidding...

"Please note that in order to support the TrimensionDNM feature, a Pentium® 4 2.8Ghz processor with hyper threading is recommended. On systems that do not support hyper threading, the refresh rate is switched to 60Hz to enable a limited support for those systems."

Son of a b... I don't have P4 HT and Trimension works at 85Hz here, perfectly. I think they are conspiracing against old Intel users and AMD users. :rolleyes:

Message to all: use RefreshLock and at last 85Hz (for the health of your eyes), and you can enable Trimension in AMD processors with 1.8 Ghz without any problem. Don't believe in these bullshits that Intervideo says (how can we trust in a company that upgrades their programs without any notification...?).

Hugs

[Rash]

I didn't know I had to turn off hardware acceleration. Damn. :(

I'll test it tomorrow. Anyway, DVDs look quite smooth here without Timension. I'll tell you what I think if I can test it tomorrow. Thanks. ;)

[Oki]

Finally I could make it work with region 1 DVDs. I borrowed a couple of region 1 movies from a friend and Trimension looks great, is has a very good motion estimator.

My question is why it is not working with region 2 movies???? Matrix is MPEG2 non interlaced but region 2 and it is not working.

They are jokers. Look:

"The current TrimensionDNM feature supports the following refresh rates:
PAL 25-> 50Hz, 60Hz, 75Hz
NTSC 24-> 48Hz, 50Hz, 60Hz, 72Hz"

I use 85Hz and works perfectly.Don't miss the next paragraph in that page (http://www.trimension.com/index.php?page=windvd6faq.html): "If you set the refresh rate other than the supported refresh rates, the input will be converted to 60Hz." in the sense of frame displayed, a kind of output fps. I understand that if you use any other refresh rate the output will be at 60Hz so it wont be synchonized with the monitor, that is all.."Please note that in order to support the TrimensionDNM feature, a Pentium® 4 2.8Ghz processor with hyper threading is recommended. On systems that do not support hyper threading, the refresh rate is switched to 60Hz to enable a limited support for those systems."

Son of a b... I don't have P4 HT and Trimension works at 85Hz here, perfectly. I think they are conspiracing against old Intel users and AMD users.You are right but intel is everywhere, now even inside Apples. We can not do anything to avoid that :(.
Message to all: use RefreshLock and at last 85Hz (for the health of your eyes), and you can enable Trimension in AMD processors with 1.8 Ghz without any problem.In Cebit 2003 (http://www.afdigitale.it/edisport/afdigitale/news.nsf/0/cee50929d5c4be6ec1256cf60055f9ba?OpenDocument) they were showing Trimension on a Pentium IV @ 1.7 GHz, obviously without hyper threading, and much slower than an Athlon XP @ 1.8GHz.


Returning to the beginning of my post:
Does anyone know how Trimension can be activated for a region 2 movie? They say that it is possible, but I can not activate it for any of my region 2 movies. I am waiting for an answer from the service support. But any help will be welcomed.

Regards,
Oki

[Oki]

Last news about my experiences with Trimension and WinDVD:

It works excellent with the integrated Intel Graphics 2 but.... I have a lot of video jitter when using the nVidia card in the same system. Scary, isn't it?

[Delerue]

It works excellent with the integrated Intel Graphics 2 but.... I have a lot of video jitter when using the nVidia card in the same system. Scary, isn't it?

Wow! :confused:

Did you try new the Detonator drivers? Try also another resolution, refresh and color bits; maybe it work. Check "hardware acceleration", in video setting properties, and make sure it's at maximum. Install the last Directx 9.0c. After that, go to "run" dialog and type "dxdiag". Search "Video" (or something like that) tab and make sure that all the three options are "Activaded".

Try to look at "AGP Fast Writes" in BIOS, and change it (enable to disable or disable to enable). Finally, look at "AGP Apperture Size", and set it to half of your RAM system memory. Have you allocate an IRQ to your video card, right? It's necessary. ;)

Well, it's for a while. Good luck.

[Rash]

Yes, I get that too on my NVIDIA card (using latest drivers).

But I don't think it is NVIDIA fault, the Trimension simply disables any hardware acceleration.

[Oki]

Trimension may have a problem detecting the framerate of nVidia cards, That is what I think because when I use the integrated Intel Video Graphics 2 it works like a charm, really impressive.

I solved the problem with nVidia (but not completely) by increasing the resolution and refresh rate to 1280x720 @ 100Hz for my plasma through DVI. I still can see some jitter, but it is visible once every 5 or 6 minutes.

I would like to use the DVI output of my integrated intel video, but for any reason it does not detect my plasma and it switches to the analog VGA output. Using the VGA connector means extra DA/AD conversion, in other words, less quality and I prefer using nVidia DVI for all applications.

[Ice =A=]

I installed WinDVD 6 recently (since it supports Trimension with DivX files which version 7 does not) but if I activate Trimension with DivX demo videos I see no effect at all, even though the button shows "on"...
Any idea?

P.S.: When some of you couldn't activate it as well, was the button greyed out in the first place or was it like in my case?

Edit: Will WonDVD 7 support TrimensionDNM with MPEG4 in the near future?

[Oki]

I installed WinDVD 6 recently (since it supports Trimension with DivX files which version 7 does not) but if I activate Trimension with DivX demo videos I see no effect at all, even though the button shows "on"...
Any idea?

P.S.: When some of you couldn't activate it as well, was the button greyed out in the first place or was it like in my case?
In my case it was greyed out. I will test WinDVD6 with some DivX files but I'm afraid that It will work only with mpeg4 ASP video @ 30fps.

[Ice =A=]

Hm, there are two test videos from Intervideo themselves (DivX format) which I used for testing. Would be really stupid of them to not support their own test videos!
You can get those videos and some more stuf here:
http://www.trimensiontech.info/

[Oki]

Hm, there are two test videos from Intervideo themselves (DivX format) which I used for testing. Would be really stupid of them to not support their own test videos!
You can get those videos and some more stuf here:
http://www.trimensiontech.info/I already tested those videos, but they are pretty useless for me since I do not know how they where created and all of my backups are not working.

In WinDVD6 the trimension button is ON with a yellow background but actually it is not activated in any of my DivX files. This behaviour is also present when playing any interlaced MPEG2 PAL movie. From my current experience WinDVD6 Trimension is only working for region 1 NTSC movies and region 2 PAL movies ONLY if they are progressive MPEG2.

Please let me know if you find any DivX file different from the demo one in the Philips Trimension website.

Regards,
Oki

[Ice =A=]

I'll let you know for sure since I really would have liked that feature!!! So much computing power, such a usefull feature, and nothing's working right now!

I'm fed up for the moment with WinDVD, let it be version 6 or 7!!! Nothing's working and one crash after the other, I'm going back to PowerDVD!
Of course it has no Trimension, but as it looks like WinDVD has none either!

[Delerue]

I'll let you know for sure since I really would have liked that feature!!! So much computing power, such a usefull feature, and nothing's working right now!

I'm fed up for the moment with WinDVD, let it be version 6 or 7!!! Nothing's working and one crash after the other, I'm going back to PowerDVD!
Of course it has no Trimension, but as it looks like WinDVD has none either!

It's strange, but it's happened to me. Try to uninstall all Intervideo products. Delete all folders called "intervideo" (inside "Program Files" folder, and inside "Commom Files"). Restart. Do a registry cleaner (try "Registry Helaer" or "TuneUP"). Restart. Run the registry cleaner again. Then try to install only WinDVD 6. Here works. WinDVD 7 sucks and mess with everything. :mad:

[]s

[Oki]

It's strange, but it's happened to me. Try to uninstall all Intervideo products. Delete all folders called "intervideo" (inside "Program Files" folder, and inside "Commom Files"). Restart. Do a registry cleaner (try "Registry Helaer" or "TuneUP"). Restart. Run the registry cleaner again. Then try to install only WinDVD 6. Here works. WinDVD 7 sucks and mess with everything. :mad:

[]sWhat is exactly working for you? Is Trimension working with all DVDs? even PAL interlaced region 2 DVDs? What about DivX... is trimension really working for all DivX movies?

[Delerue]

What is exactly working for you? Is Trimension working with all DVDs? even PAL interlaced region 2 DVDs? What about DivX... is trimension really working for all DivX movies?

"TrimensionDNM is designed to perform a frame rate conversion of progressive content only. So this feature is disabled with interlaced content. When you set WinDVD in auto de-interlacer mode, it turns off TrimensionDNM when interlaced content is detected."

"WinDVD 6 does not support TrimensionDNM playback enhancements on DivX files."

Source: http://www.trimension.com/index.php?page=windvd6faq.html

;)

[Oki]

Thanks Delerue, finally I made all my DVDs working with Trimension, even the interlaced MPEG2. How? The answer was in that FAQ you link:
"Some DVDs are encoded with an enabled interlaced flag in the MPEG header, while the content is progressive. To bypass this problem you can set the de-interlacer to weave in the display menu. This forces WinDVD in progressive processing mode."For DivX movies I am using the motion estimator of Crystal Player. I hope in a near future Trimension could work in MPEG4 video.

[Ice =A=]

Hm, good tip with that player, I didn't know that yet!
However, in my case the option "Motion Morphing" (I think that's what you meant) produces a lot of artifacts and does not seem to work...
Is there any other program which has such a Trimension-like feature?!

[Oki]

AFAIK Crystal player (http://www.crystalplayer.com/index.php?session=827230077ff778c253a080c9&page=cp&feature=multisampling) is the only software player capable of applying a motion estimation agorithm to any source format in real time. They call it Multisampling and the Motion Morphing os OK but it is not as good as Trimension.

I would like ffdshow or DivX - XviD filters to have a motion estimation plugin, that would be a very good step. There are a lot of PhD thesis about this subject, maybe one of those researchers is also a good programmer and is willing to create a generic plugin...