Quicktime 7 for Windows now available [Archive]

lazyn00b

6th June 2005, 22:08

Already snagged it - I must say it is *extremely* slow. Currently re-encoding a 1280x720 clip that's only 160 seconds long to 720x480 with H.264 single pass, and it has taken 20 minutes to get to to 25% progress on an Athlon 64 2800+! LOL - maybe later this afternoon I can report how it went.

acidsex

6th June 2005, 22:13

I grabbed it but no way am I paying $30 for it since Nero/Ateme delivers all I need. Would be nice to be able to export H.264 AVC from Vegas 6 but even then I couldnt export AAC audio as it doesnt show up as an export option in Vegas 6.

At least I can watch the QT HD trailers now and hopefully it wont choke like my VLC did.

SeeMoreDigital

6th June 2005, 22:14

Core blimey mate... £20.00 for a new key code... Is this right?

Cheers

lazyn00b

6th June 2005, 22:24

Anybody thinking of getting this just to watch the Apple H.264 trailers - don't bother. Performance is way better with Haali + FFDshow (just rename .mov to .mp4). QT 7 (for Windows) plays the trailers with lots of vertical tearing and dropped frames :(

bond

6th June 2005, 22:28

actually anyone having an idea how to best encode a .vob with the correct non-anamorphic aspect ratio and resized in qt7?

at least qt6 doesnt support .avs

Anybody thinking of getting this just to watch the Apple H.264 trailers - don't bother. Performance is way better with Haali + FFDshow (just rename .mov to .mp4).
no need to rename the extension for this

SeeMoreDigital

6th June 2005, 22:39

Sadly, it appears QuickTime 7 player does not support encodes with anamorphic signalling.... not unless it's in the "Pro" version.... Bummer!

Has anybody bought the Pro version?

lazyn00b

6th June 2005, 23:18

SeeMoreDigital

6th June 2005, 23:29

Sorry, I can't get QT 7 Pro to even *play* an anamorphic 720x480 video made by x264 with SAR 71/60. Will try more later after work :( I tried some x264 720x576 AVC muxes at 200Kbps without DAR and some Recode2 720x576 AVC muxes at 200Kbps with DAR signalling. Neither contained b-frames. Both played in QT7 but the Recode2 encode stuttered quite a bit.

Cheers

IgorC

7th June 2005, 00:09

QT7 doesn't play well x264 and Nero H.264 and doesn't support HE-AAC that isn't so new audio codec. All world is preparing for parametric stereo HE-AAC v2 they even don't support v1.

Stacey Melissa

7th June 2005, 01:56

QT7 on OS X supports 5.1 HE-AAC and it even downmixes to stereo perfectly. Unfortunately, it doesn't support custom aspect ratios, and is extraordinarly finicky about playing back x264 video. I'll have to try the Windows version to see if it's any better.

plonk420

7th June 2005, 06:46

Sadly, it appears QuickTime 7 player does not support encodes with anamorphic signalling.... not unless it's in the "Pro" version.... Bummer!

Has anybody bought the Pro version?

OS X version only, in my impatience.

in other news, i made an INSANELY good looking clip from Baraka @ 500kbits with x264 by accident (was going for 4000kbits and 6000kbits)... i'll try to hack it down to something semi-legal to post....

also, why the hell did it take 1+ months to "port" qt7 (actually looks more like 2-3 months..) if it only took 2 days to port Mathimatica? oh, that's right, they were busy porting OS X Tiger. or something... and no i'm not bitter about the time WinAllers had to wait, or about me buying the Mac Only key for QT7... >_>

bond

7th June 2005, 09:38

about he-aac in qt7: of course qt7 will play he-aac streams (as he-aac is backwards compatible), but not with the full quality

and yes, qt7 now supports multichannel aac (encoding and decoding)

Stacey Melissa

7th June 2005, 14:29

about he-aac in qt7: of course qt7 will play he-aac streams (as he-aac is backwards compatible), but not with the full quality
Hehe, I should have thought of that. I double-checked, and you're right, QT7 shows the HE-AAC as 24kHz instead of 48kHz. I just hadn't noticed the difference on my crappy PowerBook speakers. :D

SeeMoreDigital

7th June 2005, 15:14

wiak

7th June 2005, 15:22

nice thanks! :D

Apple sucks when they release the mac version first many weeks before the windoss! version! :thanks:

Stacey Melissa

7th June 2005, 15:53

I have not had any success getting any AVC muxes with 6Ch AAC-LC or AAC-HE to play in QT7... Maybe I've got to adjust some player settings...
Here's the Besweet (with Nero AAC codec) command I use to get QT7-compatible 5.1 HE-AAC. It also works if used with LC settings...

besweet.exe -core( -input input.ac3 -output output.mp4 -logfilea log.txt ) -azid( -c none ) -bsn( -6chnew -vbr_internet -codecquality_high -aacprofile_he )

It plays every time in QT7, without adjusting any playback settings.

Kurtnoise

7th June 2005, 15:55

Apple sucks when they release the mac version first many weeks before the windoss! version! :thanks:
come on... :readrule:

SeeMoreDigital

7th June 2005, 15:57

It would seem QT7 does not like playing 6Ch AAC-LC or HE .MP4 muxes generated using YAMB (MP4Box) or mp4UI (MPEG4IP), with or without an video element!

It can however, play 6Ch (and 2Ch) elementary .AAC streams just fine and allow you to save then directly into .MOV

It can also play 2Ch AAC-LC or HE .MP4 muxes generated using YAMB (MP4Box) or mp4UI (MPEG4IP), with or without an video element. And allow you to save then directly into .MOV

Cheers

Stacey Melissa

7th June 2005, 16:05

SeeMoreDigital

7th June 2005, 17:11

I use the CLI of mp4box to mux my 5.1 AACs, and they've always played fine in QT7.Is this with the MAC verion of QT7 or with the WinXP version?

Cheers

Stacey Melissa

7th June 2005, 18:52

Is this with the MAC verion of QT7 or with the WinXP version?

Cheers
I see what you're saying. The Mac version works, but the WinXP doesn't. In the WinXP version, there is an audio tab in the preferences panel, but none of the settings would output any sound for me.

SeeMoreDigital

7th June 2005, 19:05

It looks like we've discovered a bug in the WinXP version of QT7 :eek:

Cheers

SeeMoreDigital

8th June 2005, 13:25

Earlier today I generated some Mpeg4 SP and Mpeg4 AVC with 6Ch AAC-LC and HE streams using Recode2. All of which can be played in QT7 and even re-muxed into .MOV.... So it seems playback of A/V encodes with 6Ch AAC is possible in QT7 :)

However, such encodes are still a little unstable because as soon as you try and check the files "Sound Track/Audio Settings" via "Movie Properties", QT7 crashes :eek:

On a different note... After re-muxing video streams containing anamorphic signalling and chapters into .MOV I've found that although QT7 player does not recognise either implementation, Nero's ShowTime 2 player can handle both and VLC player recognises the anamorphic signalling!

And by-the-way, does anybody know what these settings are supposed to do. I can't seem to make them do anything?

http://img245.echo.cx/img245/5118/qt7transformationsettings1wj.png

Cheers

708145

8th June 2005, 13:44

Earlier today I generated some Mpeg4 SP and Mpeg4 AVC with 6Ch AAC-LC and HE streams using Recode2. All of which can be played in QT7 and even re-muxed into .MOV.... So it seems playback of A/V encodes with 6Ch AAC is possible in QT7 :)
Cheers

SeeMoreDigital, do you have the pro version?
With the free trial I can't save it seems. :(

bis besser,
Tobias

SeeMoreDigital

8th June 2005, 14:01

SeeMoreDigital, do you have the pro version?
With the free trial I can't save it seems. :( Yes I do now... Yesterday I splashed out £20.00 and bought a new QT7 key-code!

I wanted to experiment with streaming AVC at 512K (and above) ISP connection speeds. And I've found QuickTimes embeded web player seems to work well, especially when both the audio and video streams are muxed into .MOV

Cheers

toke

8th June 2005, 14:48

And by-the-way, does anybody know what these settings are supposed to do. I can't seem to make them do anything?
You can change the size of a playback window, eg. for anam. PAL you could set current (display) size to 1050x576 and the real footages resolution stays in 720x576.
Sadly you can save these settings only in .mov-container...

bond

8th June 2005, 19:04

And by-the-way, does anybody know what these settings are supposed to do. I can't seem to make them do anything?

http://img245.echo.cx/img245/5118/qt7transformationsettings1wj.png
as mentioned in my mp4 faq already, the mp4 container supports a so called "composition matrix", which for example allows you to rotate the video, anamorhpic resize, use multiple layers aso (all the info is stored on container level)

SeeMoreDigital

8th June 2005, 19:23

as mentioned in my mp4 faq already, the mp4 container supports a so called "composition matrix", which for example allows you to rotate the video, anamorhpic resize, use multiple layers aso (all the info is stored on container level)Yes, thanks guys... Bond, I read your information in the MP4 FAQ: -2) on the container level: MP4 offers the possibility to use a "Composition Matrix", which allows the changing of the AR, rotating of the picture, multilayer handling, mixing of two audio streams during playback (eg seperated speech and music in movies), etc...
Quicktime/Pro (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/) already offers many composition possibilities via Movie -> Get Movie Properties -> Video/Sound Track -> Size/Layer/Volume/... and the correct playback of such composed MP4 filesHowever, I got a little stumped because I was trying to adjust the AR settings of video streams while they were still within the .MP4 container. But as Toke pointed out, they currently only work with the .MOV container!

The forced AR correction seems to be working well now with QT7, even in the web based embedded player.

Cheers

SeeMoreDigital

8th June 2005, 19:44

I forgot to ask...

Does the following 90 second Mpeg4/AAC in .MOV sample work OK on a MAC?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Log_Surfing.htm

Cheers

bond

8th June 2005, 19:58

Yes, thanks guys... Bond, I read your information in the MP4 FAQ: -However, I got a little stumped because I was trying to adjust the AR settings of video streams while they were still within the .MP4 container. But as Toke pointed out, they currently only work with the .MOV container!
well in qt6 pro all these features were already there and also worked with .mp4

SeeMoreDigital

8th June 2005, 20:51

well in qt6 pro all these features were already there and also worked with .mp4I've done some more checking...

It seems you can adjust the video "transformation" settings of .MP4 files. However, once they've been altered, you can't play them back with QT7 player... as the player just stalls!

And when you play the .MP4 file in ShowTime, the audio element is missing. Plus, when you feed the file into YAMB (to de-mux or amend the streams), you get this: -

http://img100.echo.cx/img100/3860/qt7mp4bork3xm.png

Cheers

giandrea

8th June 2005, 20:57

I forgot to ask...

Does the following 90 second Mpeg4/AAC in .MOV sample work OK on a MAC?

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Log_Surfing.htm

Cheers

Yes, it does play well (a bit of frame dropping, but I'm on an 800 MHz G4).

SeeMoreDigital

8th June 2005, 21:02

Yes, it does play well (a bit of frame dropping, but I'm on an 800 MHz G4).Cool, thanks for that buddy :D

Cheers

toke

8th June 2005, 21:05

Does the following 90 second Mpeg4/AAC in .MOV sample work OK on a MAC?
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Log_Surfing.htm

Yep, with Os X 10.3.9 or 10.4.1 and QT 7.0.1, at least...

Haven't seen that ad here in Finland!

toke

8th June 2005, 21:08

well in qt6 pro all these features were already there and also worked with .mp4

Really?
How did it work?
I never succeeded making non-sq video with qt6pro in mp4.
Or did you use some other software?

toke

8th June 2005, 21:11

But as Toke pointed out, they currently only work with the .MOV container!
The forced AR correction seems to be working well now with QT7, even in the web based embedded player.
Apple brags about how mp4 is based on a qt, but it seems that they don't care to make their software to work with mp4. I hope this changes when we are getting harware avc-mp4 players...

bond

8th June 2005, 21:18

toke, these features are till now nowhere supported except qt, so its better to signal anamorphic resize on the bitstream level which is widely supported already

Apple brags about how mp4 is based on a qt, but it seems that they don't care to make their software to work with mp4. I hope this changes when we are getting harware avc-mp4 players...
as i said: it works in qt6, so the lack of support in qt7 is propably simply caused by a bug!?

toke

8th June 2005, 22:22

as i said: it works in qt6

Maybe non-sq has been in pc version but not in mac?
(I use macs at work.)

Can you give a short description about your workflow with qt6?
How did you got non-sq mp4's?

SeeMoreDigital

17th June 2005, 10:53

Can anybody confirm whether QT7 (for WinXP or MAC O/S) supports playback of Mpeg4 AVC with B-frames, and if so... is there a limit?

Cheers

bond

17th June 2005, 10:55

qt7 can encode and decode avc with b-frames :)

SeeMoreDigital

17th June 2005, 11:10

qt7 can encode and decode avc with b-frames :)That's what I thought

I tried some AVC encodes generated with 1 and 2 B-frames. The X264 encodes stuttered quite a bit. And the NeroDigital ones locked QT7.... That said, even ND encodes without B-frames seem to do odd things to QT7

Has anybody else had any luck?

Cheers

IgorC

11th July 2005, 20:28

bond

11th July 2005, 22:29

I've seen it possible to encode from QT7 H.264 source via avisynth.
I can't find any information.
is it correct to use aviscrypt like that if I had QT7 :

video=DirectShowSource("C:\source\1.mov",fps=25)
video= ConvertToYV12 (video)
return videoi tried it too and my conclusion was that it is not possible to use avisynth in quicktime atm (also not via fake .avi files)

winman

13th July 2005, 22:36

It looks like the QuickTime 7 Player for Windows Public Preview 2 is now avaiable:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/

23.8 MB
QuickTime Version 7.0.2a63

SeeMoreDigital

13th July 2005, 22:55

Preview 2 is 23.8MB :eek:

That's an massive leap from Preview 1, at 14.5MB.... Lets hope it's better!

Cheers

Ice =A=

13th July 2005, 23:19

Thanks for the info!
I see no difference (at least from the video playing side it seems to be just as slow), do you?!?

IgorC

14th July 2005, 00:08

any changes of AAC?

bond

15th July 2005, 17:33

any changes of avc?

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 01:02

any changes of abc?

Little joke, I couldn't resist, sorry... :)
What do you mean with changes of AdvancedVideoCodec? Do you mean encoding improvements?! The codec itself is rather standardised and can not be changed much after it has been released. It's like DivX6, which is not changed since DivX5.0.0 (at least in its core). The decoder performance or the encoder however can improve (as with DivX6), that's true...
And what changes of AAC (which is some sound standard, isn't it?) should be there?

bond

16th July 2005, 01:23

What do you mean with changes of AdvancedVideoCodec? Do you mean encoding improvements?! The codec itself is rather standardised and can not be changed much after it has been released. It's like DivX6, which is not changed since DivX5.0.0 (at least in its core). The decoder performance or the encoder however can improve (as with DivX6), that's true...
And what changes of AAC (which is some sound standard, isn't it?) should be there?why should a codec not be improveable?

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 01:30

For example, because old DivX players shall still play DivX6, and those have a fixed decoding algorithm. Of course, Quicktime has no such hardware players, but they have installed one version of their decoder with every new Mac-OS and not everyone does upgrade that regularly.
(You still can improve the ENcoder of course!)

bond

16th July 2005, 01:41

ok in your first post you meant that its not possible to improve the encoder which is obviously wrong

i am sure if you compare the output of the first divx 5.0 version (or divx 4) with current divx 6 you will see that a big codec improvement took place and still you can decode both streams with any mpeg-4 asp compliant decoder

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 01:56

i am sure if you compare the output of the first divx 5.0 version (or divx 4) with current divx 6 you will see that a big codec improvement took place and still you can decode both streams with any mpeg-4 asp compliant decoder
I agree about that, it's just that I would call that ENcoder improvements, not codec improovements. :)
Well, I don't want to become too fussy, sorry!

P.S.:
I now have an Athlon X2 4200+ and those 1080p quicktime movies still don't play completely smooth. Almost but not completely.
I don't know if qt7 can use the second core, though...

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 05:02

By the way, there are two nes 720p trailers available, you can get them on the usual Apple trailer page. Here are the direct links:
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/720p/imax-desolation_m720p.mov
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/hd_gallery/gl1800/720p/the_brothers_grimm_m720p.mov
Have fun!

neo_anderson

16th July 2005, 06:41

what command should i use in run tab in start menu (winxp) to play quicktime 7 hd trailers with mplayer?
i cannot install "Elecard 3.0.1 alpha", the following happens:
Registering Com Servers
Cannot register "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Moonlight\elaudec.ax" and then it performs rollback and exits, can anyone help?

Ice =A=

16th July 2005, 07:51

neo_anderson

16th July 2005, 09:01

You can just drag and drop movie files onto mplayer.exe (in between two explorer windows for example)!
I once had that error, too. Two files in some windows subdirectory were missing, unfortunately I don't remember their names and the forum I got that advice in is down... :(

thks ice dude, mplayer really plays those hd clips well, i wonder why there is no gui for it, also if there is anyone who can help with that elecard alpha player issue, i will be more happy!

lordreign

22nd July 2005, 01:53

Hey Ice man, quick question. Where did u get the links for the movies? I know they are listed on the apple hd page but they are hidden. When u play them in quicktime u can bring up the stream info but u cant read the whole line of the source address.

Cheers.

IgorC

22nd July 2005, 02:05

http://www.highdefforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=15 . Google,baby, just google it

Ice =A=

22nd July 2005, 07:33

Hey Ice man, quick question. Where did u get the links for the movies?
That's a trick I myself was told just recently.
You can look that adress up in the sourcecode of the page. For example with Firefox, right click on the page with the video file and choose "show source code" (or something like that). Search for ".mov" there and you'll find the direct links... :)

Edit:
The forum IgorC posted is indeed a good start for all HDTV-related stuff (like trailers etc.)!

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 10:48

I have not had any success getting any AVC muxes with 6Ch AAC-LC or AAC-HE to play in QT7... Maybe I've got to adjust some player settings...

Anyway I have managed to mux this 1024x576 AVC test sample into .MOV (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/AVC+AAC_1024x576_in_MOV.html). With a minimum 512K ISP connection it should stream ;)

Cheers

Hi SMD,

link is down, can u put back online? I am trying to get 6ch movie to work, but all my ND encodes dont work in Quicktime (preview 2).
Can u post a short describtion how u made this 6ch mp4 movie?

much appreciated, thx.

SeeMoreDigital

22nd July 2005, 12:00

Hi SMD,

link is down, can u put back online? I am trying to get 6ch movie to work, but all my ND encodes dont work in Quicktime (preview 2).
Can u post a short describtion how u made this 6ch mp4 movie?

much appreciated, thx. It was not an encode with 6Ch AAC audio... it was just 2Ch. Like you I have not had any success at creating encodes with 6Ch AAC that can be played in QT7.

I generated a few Recode2 MPEG-4 SP encodes with 6Ch AAC-LC in .MP4.... The encodes would open in QT7 but nothing can be heard. The audio track information does not even appear under QT7's "Show Movie Info" or "Show Movie Properties"

I also generated a few MPEG-4 SP with 6Ch AAC-LC in .MP4 muxes with YAMB and mp4UI and again there was no audio playback in QT7 :(

The only way I've been able to put 6Ch AAC in .MOV is by opening an RAW .AAC stream in QT7 and then selecting "Save As..." But have no idea how to add the video element at the same time (or afterwards).

Cheers

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 12:23

thx for your quick reply,
i though i was doing something wrong.
Looks like we have to wait for the final release before we can make any conlcusions about Quicktiume multichannel support.

I hope playback performance will get better as well. (less cpu hungry)

Doom9

22nd July 2005, 12:47

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 12:57

at home, my movies are served by rtsp (darwin streaming server), and QT is the only player that works without problems with it.
VideoLan is my second option right now, but VLC does not support seeking while playing from a rtsp stream.

SeeMoreDigital

22nd July 2005, 13:00

I can't quite get that into my head: why on earth would anyone use QT to play AVC (or create for that matter)? What's wrong with mplayer, vlc, mpc, showtime, etc and Recode/x264 for encoding? To the best of my knowledge, all those tools blow QT out of the water, so why bother with an inferior product? The only area where Apple doesn't lack behind is creating 2ch AAC audio.Personally speaking, I'm only using QT7 to test MPEG-4/AVC+AAC in .MOV streaming samples in web pages... and I would not dream of using QT7 as an dedicated player even for .MOV samples.... VLC player, MediaPlayer Classic and even Nero's ShowTime2 player seem to do a much better job ;)

I hope playback performance will get better as well. (less cpu hungry)Agreed.

When you play the same MPEG-4/AVC+AAC in .MOV file in QT7 and then ShowTime2. QT7 runs between 35-45% but ShowTime2 runs between 20-30%.

Cheers

neo75903

22nd July 2005, 13:07

i encoded some 640x480, and it doesnt play "smoothly" on my dual cpu, and yes QT is multithreaded since version 7, but still playbacy is very choppy (on a dual 2000+).
While VLC only uses about 30%.
If that is their x86 code, i am holding my heart when they are porting OSX over to x86 platform.

leowai

22nd July 2005, 14:15

thks ice dude, mplayer really plays those hd clips well, i wonder why there is no gui for it, also if there is anyone who can help with that elecard alpha player issue, i will be more happy!
You may want to try this:
http://oss.netfarm.it/mplayer-win32.php

Download the MPlayer named "mplayer-gui-rtm-cvs-20050709.zip". It's mplayer with GUI.

22nd July 2005, 18:30

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/preview/

Preview version

Yes, it's a preview version. I downloaded it, haven't yet installed it. I wonder if being a preview, whether it has a lot of bugs and such. Anyone know when the full version is coming out? (I understand 7 and 6 cannot run concurrently, one has to uninstall 6 in order to install 7. I have bought a key code for version 6, which won't work in version 7. So I'm a little reluctant to make the change until I know 7 is good.)

Do people feel that the upgrade (of Pro key code) is worth it?

MOCKBA

9th August 2005, 01:45

Did anybody tried QT7 with mp4 ASP streams? I have repackaged some of my avis originally encoded with either XVID or DX50 and I have mixed results. Some mp4 streams QT7 could play without any problems, some it refuse to play period. Some ASPs QT7 plays nice, some are jerky and full of artifacts. Any idea what ASP profiles QT7 supports?

bond

9th August 2005, 11:11

Any idea what ASP profiles QT7 supports?well qt6 didnt support asp at all, only simple profile (so not gmc, qpel, b-frames, cqm...)
when 3ivx is installed you can additionally use b-frames, but thats it

maybe they updated the part2 decoder in qt7? dunno

SeeMoreDigital

9th August 2005, 12:22

No it has not been updated....

I've fed QT7 with XviD, NeroDigital and DivX B-VOP (MPEG-4 ASP) implementations and all you get is a white screen, followed by this: -

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9551/ndbvoptest7fv.png

Looks good doesn't it?

Cheers

neo_anderson

9th August 2005, 12:56

strange, nero digital avc encodes work without problems in quicktime 7 preview 2 in my pc!

MOCKBA

9th August 2005, 13:46

No it has not been updated....

I've fed QT7 with XviD, NeroDigital and DivX B-VOP implementations and all you get is a white screen, followed by this: -

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9551/ndbvoptest7fv.png

Looks good doesn't it?

Cheers
So I am not the only one getting "green stuff". Anyone getting jerky playback? Kinda like almost any motion goes back and forth (previous frames being displayed instead of new ones)? Is this because I am encoding with B-frames?

Also, when I am playing back in xine I am getting "vop not codded" message on every frame, but my ASP playing fine (I figure xine use ffmpeg underneath). So could that be a problem?

SeeMoreDigital

9th August 2005, 14:09

So I am not the only one getting "green stuff". Anyone getting jerky playback? Kinda like almost any motion goes back and forth (previous frames being displayed instead of new ones)? Is this because I am encoding with B-frames? When playing what... MPEG-4 ASP or AVC?

I have noticed NeroDigital AVC encodes stuttering in QT7, with or without B-frames :eek:

Cheers

MOCKBA

9th August 2005, 14:26

When playing what... MPEG-4 ASP or AVC?

ASP, but I also had couple AVC (encoded with x264) shutter, but not sure what was the reason, b-frames?

SeeMoreDigital

9th August 2005, 18:17

ASP, but I also had couple AVC (encoded with x264) shutter, but not sure what was the reason, b-frames?As Bond already mentioned, QT6 does not (natively) support any MPEG-4 ASP implementation... and as I have confirmed, neither does QT7.

Unfortunately, just because QT7 is able to support B-VOP in MPEG-4 AVC, it does not mean it will be able to do the same for MPEG-4 ASP!

Cheers

rotflol

10th August 2005, 02:26

Hi,

I downloaded the Brothers Grimm trailer and tried to watch it, but I don't get any sound in mplayer or Media Player Classic (with Hali splitter and ffdshow). I don't feel like installing QT7 just yet. Does anyone have an idea what is wrong?

Peter1234

13th August 2005, 08:56

Install quicktimealt160b2.exe then it should play in Media Player Classic

SeeMoreDigital

13th August 2005, 09:16

Install quicktimealt160b2.exe then it should play in Media Player ClassicIf you already have a legitimate version of QuickTime Player 6 (or above) installed - Do not install QuickTime Alternative... As running both will do more harm than good.

EDIT: I would not panic too much about the high-def QT7 trailers... As I think they are slightly borked :eek:

I can only get any of the QT7 trailers to play in QT7, they stall/crash VLC player and ShowTime2 player.

I've tried using QT7 Pro to de-mux the streams into MP4 - Same problem... they would not play. I even tried de-muxing and re-muxing the streams with YAMB - And this did not work either....

Cheers

clsid

13th August 2005, 16:38

SeeMoreDigital

13th August 2005, 17:42

I can play the QT7 trailers with Haali's splitter, ffdshow and MPC. I rename to .mp4 so that MPC will use DirectShow instead of QT. Playback is also much much smoother. QT itself makes everything look like a slideshow.

The Brothers Grimm trailer indeed plays without sound (except when using QuickTime or QT alt). But all other trailers play with sound.Just tried the FFdshow H.264 DSdec filter myself and yes, it works a lot better!

For me The Brothers Grimm trailer works fine in MPC, even without Haali's splitter or having to re-name the file extension. But like you I get no audio.... I think this is because it's 6Ch AAC and not 2Ch AAC.

I've also been unable to configure QT7 Pro to de-mux the 6Ch AAC audio stream out of the .MOV container... bummer!

Cheers

neo_anderson

14th August 2005, 12:53

Quicktime7 Public Preview 3 has been released for Windows!

neo75903

16th August 2005, 22:42

thx for the notice :)

neo75903

20th August 2005, 22:19

tried preview 3,
only difference is the increased filesize ....

SeeMoreDigital

21st August 2005, 00:52

There are a few refinements too!

There's better support for certain types of A/V streams within the AVI container - but sadly not MPEG-4 within AVI.

Entering MetaData to existing .MP4 and .MOV files/streams, seems a little better/more stable.... but not totally stable!

It's still not possible to de-mux 6Ch AAC audio out of the .MOV container to .MP4, or mux/play 6Ch AAC AAC audio streams in .MP4.... And 6Ch AAC to 6Ch WAV (PCM) is still incorrectly mapped.

I guess there must be other issues too... but this is all I tested... so far!

I wonder if the Apple QT development guys read Doom9?

Cheers

neo75903

21st August 2005, 00:57

loolz
I dont think they do, would be to discouraging for them :D
But really wished they do read this forum.

I just hope there are more previews to come, preview 3 is waaaay not finished.

calinb

21st August 2005, 02:39

I can only get any of the QT7 trailers to play in QT7, they stall/crash VLC player and ShowTime2 player.

I've tried using QT7 Pro to de-mux the streams into MP4 - Same problem... they would not play. I even tried de-muxing and re-muxing the streams with YAMB - And this did not work either....
Cheers
After installing QT7, I remuxed the trailers to mkv with mkvmerge/mmg. This worked for me! :)

SeeMoreDigital

21st August 2005, 08:15

After installing QT7, I remuxed the trailers to mkv with mkvmerge/mmg. This worked for me! :)What DSdec video filter are you using for playback?

As clsid mentioned, FFdshow's H.264 filter copes with Apple's high-def AVC trailers too ;)

But I still reckon there's something not quite right with the trailers, because Nero's filters would don't like them at all.... even after they've been de-muxed from .MOV and re-muxed into .MP4

Cheers

neo_anderson

21st August 2005, 09:58

with preview 3, those high-def. h.264 trailers run more smoothly on my pc! also, a small bug in which while the video played, the seekbar did not move, has also been fixed,amongst other fixes/tweaks, and this version is overall much better!

calinb

23rd August 2005, 06:29

What DSdec video filter are you using for playback?
CheersI'm using the Haali splitter and ffdshow.

sugala

23rd August 2005, 08:04

Are your machines fast enough to play the Cilp offered by apple.com?

calinb

25th August 2005, 09:20

Are your machines fast enough to play the Cilp offered by apple.com?The 720p clips play fine on my 2.2GHz / 512M L2 / 400 MHz FSB Barton. Actually, they aren't terrible on my 1.42GHz Mac mini and, strangely, they play better than the equivalent res in mpeg2 on the mini. The Barton drops some frames on the 1080p clips, which are a complete mess on the mini, of course.

The Apple Quicktime HD Gallery says the 1080p clips require at least a dual 2GHz PowerMac G5. I'm not sure where they get off saying the 720p clips require a dual 2.8GHz Xeon system. Must have been pre-x86 / pro PPC marketing hype. I've heard the Apple Macintel development systems can play the 1080p clips. :sly:

SeeMoreDigital

25th August 2005, 10:05

Are your machines fast enough to play the Cilp offered by apple.com?Yes.... But not using Apple's QT7 player!

Airw0lf

3rd September 2005, 12:43

Yes.... But not using Apple's QT7 player!

Even the 1080p clips? I find that ffdshow using the Haali splitter can't do much better than the latest quicktime alternative (QT7 Preview 3 version).

SeeMoreDigital

3rd September 2005, 12:50

Even the 1080p clips? I find that ffdshow using the Haali splitter can't do much better than the latest quicktime alternative (QT7 Preview 3 version).You need a pretty powerful PC to play 1080p content.... I can only just do it with mine!

Cheers

Airw0lf

3rd September 2005, 13:31

You need a pretty powerful PC to play 1080p content.... I can only just do it with mine!

Cheers

I have a P4 3.4 Ghz CPU, 1 GB RAM. Should be enough I'd have thought...
I have no problems with WMV-HD 1080 clips. 30% CPU with DXVA, 50% without DXVA.

What codecs and/or players are you using? What QT7 1080 clips have you tried? What do you define as "just"? For instance, I can get around 17-20 fps but not much more...

leowai

8th September 2005, 07:24

QuickTime v7 is now out of preview. The final version for windows (v7.0.2.120) is downloadable from official website now!
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html

SeeMoreDigital

8th September 2005, 08:30

Thanks leowai,

Downloading now.... Lets hope most of the bugs are fixed.

Cheers

Inventive Software

8th September 2005, 12:38

The Hi-Def trailers cannot be played back in QT7 smoothly on a single-core system. QT7 itself is not optimised very well for x86, as it is natively a PPC app. QT has been well known for this.

stax76

8th September 2005, 12:50

Nice thing is they offer automation, something Nero doesn't. Automation is a term for certain parts of COM (Component Object Model), if you aren't familiar with COM understand automation as a programming interface compatible with virtually all windows programming and scripting languages, ideally for applications like DVX, GK etc.

Ice =A=

8th September 2005, 15:04

@Airw0lf:
I'm afraid your Pentium processor isn't quite as fast as you think or would like it to be. ;)
I bet you have hyperthreading activated on your cpu. Then your 50% are more like 100% processor usage.
And WMV (which you write about) is an older codec whereas Quicktime 7 and e.g. Nero AVC are newer generation codecs (MPEG4 h264) which are more effective but unfortunately need some more processing power (Quicktime 7 isn#t very well optimized, too).
Also, the DXVA acceleration is obviously a WMV only thing for now and won't help for Quicktime and other AVC formats.
I just wanted to clear up those common misconceptions...

Edit: I think Quicktime is rather fond of (real) multicore processors like AMD's Athlon X2 or Intels [insert correct processor number here, I can't remember it :)].

stax76

8th September 2005, 15:46

I would like warn people of installing this Apple crap because after installing it you've got 4 more startup processes. Besides that the setup and uninstall takes insanely long, there's huge changes made to the system and lot's files are installed. What's worse it broke my internet connection completely, after installing iTunes/Quicktime my internet connection is dead. I've got some experience in recovering windows, so I was able to make my internet work again by disabling all startup processes of publisher Apple using SysInternals all great Autoruns application:

http://www.sysinternals.com/utilities/autoruns.html

ITunes/Quicktime appear to still work without this processes and with some hacked scripts to listen to a batch of song previews it's even useful.

Sharktooth

8th September 2005, 16:00

QuickAss™ striked again...

Bonjour Service
iPod Service
iTunes Helper
QT Task

celtic_druid

8th September 2005, 16:16

If you extract the installer you can install quicktime without iTunes.

Sharktooth

8th September 2005, 17:08

No need to download all the crap... get the standalone QT Player here (if you dare): http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html

SeeMoreDigital

8th September 2005, 18:58

QuickAss™ striked again...

Bonjour Service
iPod Service
iTunes Helper
QT TaskI noticed "Bonjour Service" had given itself an exception in my firewall.... That's more than a bit cheeky.

Anyway.... I've now deleted it ;)

Cheers

plonk420

8th September 2005, 19:04

as i posted on HA, it's slow as hell:

an H264 DVDRip i did of 24 doesn't even play at 100% without becoming a slideshow... i can play it in MPC with FFDShow just fine (30% cpu, IIRC)... i can even play 720p XviD (1280x720) on my 800 mhz (unfortunately underclocked and unfixable) Athlon XP

hell, i can nearly play 1080i MPEG-2 on it thanks to the 6200 i have on it.

SeeMoreDigital

8th September 2005, 19:18

QT7 still can't play .MP4 files that contain MPEG4/AVC video and 6Ch AAC-LC audio. In fact it still does not like "audio only" 6Ch AAC-LC in .MP4 files at all.... It has no problems playing 6Ch AAC-LC.AAC streams and muxing them to .MOV though :eek:

I even sent them two bug reports about it.... Bummer!

Cheers

calinb

8th September 2005, 21:34

I noticed "Bonjour Service" had given itself an exception in my firewall.... That's more than a bit cheeky.

Anyway.... I've now deleted it ;)

Cheers

Stax, SeeMoreDigital, Geesh! We used to think Real Player was ill-behaved! :rolleyes:

I've had good luck with Ashampoo Uninstaller for quickly detecting and reversing such system changes. Unlike Windows System Restore, it's contollable! I've seen it sold for as little as $7 during one of the Ashampoo spam-a-thon email promos, which I'll admit, are pretty offensive, despite the low prices!

SeeMoreDigital

8th September 2005, 22:40

Stax, SeeMoreDigital, Geesh! We used to think Real Player was ill-behaved! :rolleyes:

I've had good luck with Ashampoo Uninstaller for quickly detecting and reversing such system changes. Unlike Windows System Restore, it's contollable! I've seen it sold for as little as $7 during one of the Ashampoo spam-a-thon email promos, which I'll admit, are pretty offensive, despite the low prices!I'm not 100% sure but I think "Bonjour" comes with the iTunes+QT7 setup.exe. If somebody can check this by installing just QT7 it might helpful to know for sure?

I got rid of Bonjour quite easily by locating it using the "Windows Task Manager" and stopping it from running (ie: End Process). I then located the Bonjour folder in Programs Files and deleted as many of the internal files I could. Re-booted my PC and deleted the remaining folder (which included the one remaining .dll file)..... Job done!

Cheers

celtic_druid

9th September 2005, 03:27

Well I installed from the standalone quicktime installer (unpacked from iTones+QT7) and I don't appear to have this Bonjour thing.

SeeMoreDigital

9th September 2005, 10:13

Well I installed from the standalone quicktime installer (unpacked from iTones+QT7) and I don't appear to have this Bonjour thing.Well there we go then.... QuickTime player 7 is not as evil as first thought.... It iTunes :D

Cheers

LoKi128

12th September 2005, 05:11

BTW, Bonjour (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/bonjour/) is the new name for the old Rendevouz (sp?) which is another name for AutoConf, which is the automatic service discovery, em, service. I believe it is used to automatically find other iTunes installs to stream music, etc.

I don't use iTunes, but it might be a usefull, not-evil service if you do use it.

Arashiyama

28th October 2005, 22:44

Hi, guys,
I know QuickTime Pro 7 should be able to edit ASP, but can it also cut & edit AVC without recompression (reencoding)?
I've been searching the net and Doom9 forums for a few days and found no answer...

bond

28th October 2005, 22:46

Arashiyama

28th October 2005, 23:15

Thanx bond. You saved my 30 bucks.
So there's no cut editing for AVC yet at this point...?

bond

28th October 2005, 23:17

i dont say that qt7 doesnt support avc editing, i never tested it

still you can edit avc in mp4 with mp4box (yamb gui), eg cut append aso...

SeeMoreDigital

28th October 2005, 23:17

to my knowledge qt7 can not edit asp, but only simple profileYou are 100% correct.... QT7 can't play or display MPEG-4/ASP encodes - I don't know what happens if you have 3ivx filter suite installed though ;)

bond

28th October 2005, 23:25

3ivx doesnt overwrite the quicktime mp4 splitter, which is blocking the asp content. at least it was that way in qt6

SeeMoreDigital

28th October 2005, 23:31

3ivx doesnt overwrite the quicktime mp4 splitter, which is blocking the asp content. at least it was that way in qt6So there we go then :)

Arashiyama

29th October 2005, 00:04

i dont say that qt7 doesnt support avc editing, i never tested it

still you can edit avc in mp4 with mp4box (yamb gui), eg cut append aso...

I tested it. Hm, well it does cut and append, but I meant GUI editing for TV-recorded materials - thanks any way.

Has anyone tested QuickTime Pro 7 editing for AVC?
I heard that mp4 is versatile for a container.