What Container for Menu's?

[Surlyrich]

I understand that there is a menu builder for mp4, and that divx is just about to release divx6 which will support menus (not that I know wether they intend to release software to build them. My question is, what is going to be the better container to use in terms of ease of use to create interactive menus, as well as compatability for stand alone players? How far along is the menu support for matroska? I have a whole bunch of media that I am putting off re-encoding until this becomes a little clearer.

Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

Originally posted by Surlyrich
what is going to be the better container to use in terms of ease of use to create interactive menus, as well as compatability for stand alone players?
For my point of view, the interactive menus creation for matroska, mp4, and realvideo are or will be compatible only with our PCs not standalones. If you want to have a certain compatibility with standalone players, the DIVX container could be the good one (with DivX Certified standard, etc...).

Anyway, only realvideo with smil contents and mp4 menus are available today. And there is a lack of players to navigate/play such streams.

Originally posted by Surlyrich
How far along is the menu support for matroska?
It's expected...When, I don't know exactly but RobUx4 works hard to integrate such things directly in VLC.

[Surlyrich]

Is there any programs out there to build menus for Divx Fusion Beta/6, or any in depth tutorials to show how to do it using xml files? I have looked at the Last Man Standing SDK stuff, but there is no documentation to show how it has done. I guess this was not targeted at the non-programer.

Cheers

[berrinam]

For my point of view, the interactive menus creation for matroska, mp4, and realvideo are or will be compatible only with our PCs not standalones. If you want to have a certain compatibility with standalone players, the DIVX container could be the good one (with DivX Certified standard, etc...)

Isn't the mp4 container likely to be used in HD-DVD and therefore will be supported by large numbers of stand-alone devices?

[Kurtnoise]

The subject is "Menues into Containers" not containers themselves, am I right ?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Sadly the use of the .MP4 container in stand-alones is still very new.

Nero's Recode2 has done much to bring .MP4 to more peoples attention, followed by some excellent .MP4 muxing tools and GUI's - I wonder who makes one of those ;)

Anyway, I feel sure menus will make it into .MP4 and even into stand-alone players. Once somebody sticks their neck on the block with an acceptable way of creating them.

Maybe Nero will have to take the initutive... again!


Cheers

[Leonardo1001]

Probably it is the easiest to use ratdvd when you come from DVD - see http://forum.doom9.org/forumdisplay.php?f=65

[SeeMoreDigital]

Erm no Leonardo1001.... Where would the fun be in that!

Seeing as though all your posts until now, have been in the ratDVD thread, I have to ask.... Are "you" one of the people behind ratDVD?


Cheers

[opsis81]

Erm no Leonardo1001.... Where would the fun be in that!

Seeing as though all your posts until now, have been in the ratDVD thread, I have to ask.... Are "you" one of the people behind ratDVD?


Cheers
Creating mp4 menus isn't fun,it's a coercive torture!
Don't get me wrong,I'm in love with mp4 but I like ratDVD and I'm not one of the people behind it.

[Leonardo1001]

Erm no Leonardo1001.... Where would the fun be in that!

Seeing as though all your posts until now, have been in the ratDVD thread, I have to ask.... Are "you" one of the people behind ratDVD?


Cheers

Great idea... but unfortunately I'm more the one that has waited for something like it.

[infoscapeone]

So back to the beginning. I want to convert a complete DVD with at least the title menu and both versions of the movie (normal and directors cut) and I don't care if it is ratdvd, MP4, DivX or whatever. Is there a guide anywhere that shows how to do this?

It would be nice if I could play it back later on a standard player but that's not so important - it is really more about the space.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Creating mp4 menus isn't fun,it's a coercive torture!
Don't get me wrong,I'm in love with mp4 but I like ratDVD and I'm not one of the people behind it.As far as I'm aware, there's no technical reason why Nero can't offer full DVD style menu selection and re-configure their own ShowTime 2 player to bring it to us!

But imagine what might happen if Nero started making it easier for DVD movies to be "backed up" onto a CD/DVD using say, Mpeg4/AVC with 6Ch audio and full menu selection.... It could leave themselves more vulnerable to attack from anti-piracy authorities from around the world.


Cheers

[Kurtnoise]

hey guys...be careful with your "mp4 hijacking"...;) I don't like these things personnally.

The best for all people here could be to discuss all technics for creating/editing menus in containers... Not only one container. Please it's more interesting than read some zealoteries.

So, a good idea could be to list all applications to create such menus :

DIVX --> Fuse (http://labs.divx.com/).
MATROSKA --> DVDMenuXtractor (http://www.matroska.org/~robux4/dvd/) + MKVtoolnix (http://matroska.org).
MP4 --> MP4Menu (http://sourceforge.net/projects/mp4menu).
RV --> SMIL tools (http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/#Authoring).

To play such things :

DIVX --> DivX Player..(I don't remember the name :D :o ).
MATROSKA --> VLC (http://videolan.org) (under construction...not finalized yet).
MP4 --> Osmo4 (http://www.rarewares.org/mp4.html)
RV+SMIL --> A bunch of (http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/#SMIL) (depends of the smil version).

Is there menu's containers available for stand-alones ? NO




Now, it's time for you to begin the Menus. ;)

[Surlyrich]

Again... Are there any good tutorials/programs on using Fuse and making XML files for the menus?

[Kurtnoise]

No...don't think so.