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NaN
13th May 2005, 19:46
Hi!

Since the question what plays and what not on standalones seems to pop up quite often in the last days I post the results of my tests so far. Might be of interest since the Mediatek-chipset series offers afaik the greatest mpeg4 power today and is used in a large percentage of high quality dvd-players.

Player: Pioneer Mediatek 1389FE (?) based, latest firmware
testclip: always the same 1min clip, action scene with various scene changes, stills, low motion scenes at a bitrate of roughly 2.8MBit/s average; 2pass.

custom quantization matrices:
Seem not to be working at all. MPEG std works great, h.263 too; Sharptooths v3-series (Ultralow,low, high, ultra high bitrates), Dideé's 6of9, ReferenceDivx' hvs-series produces artefacts like sky blocking and colour artefacts (seems to be an intra-matrix problem though).
Note that some of these matrices only have coefficients larger than 16 (intra matrix) (and do cause mentioned problems).

Bitrates:
ASP@L5 (so 9MBit/s max bitrate) works nicely. Up to now I cannot see a need for a mediatek 6000 profile; I tried ASP@L4 (4MBit/s max bitrate) with cqms too, no changes.

QPel: works

GMC:
Divx GMC with 1 warp-point is said to be no problem (I didn't test that); Xvid's 3 warp-point GMC causes heaviest stuttering (or shall I say changing stills are displayed?)

B-Frames:
Didn't test B-frames so far. 1 is said to be ok.

packed bitstream:
works. Audio switching (when there are multiple tracks of course) leads to complete loss of audio. Fast forward/backward impossible.

subtitles:
.ssr, .sub, .idx work flawlessly

If you have questions, just let me know.

Cheers, NaN

PS: len0x: I would really recommend turning off packed bitstream. Further I would suggest removing the "2GB size (max for dvdr)" entry, since the UDF filesystem allows >4GB files (UDF 1.02 is mandatory for DVD-compatibility).

SeeMoreDigital
13th May 2005, 20:28
Originally posted by NaN
Might be of interest since the Mediatek-chipset series offers afaik the greatest mpeg4 power today and is used in a large percentage of high quality dvd-players. Actually I don't agree with this statement. But I guess it depends what you want out of a player :eek:

The Zoran 776 chip-set (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=89889) as used in the Siemssen SCO 5000 ND, offers AAC audio and .MP4 container playback. Plus NeroDigital certification, which includes multiple subtitle and audio stream selection, and chapter selection ;)


Cheers

pelle412
13th May 2005, 20:48
I currently own a LiteOn LVD-2001 (Sigma EM8500).

Works:
All custom matrices I've tried
Pretty much everything else (except as listed below).

Does not work:
QPEL, GMC, High bitrates (avg of 2.5Mbit+).


My next investment is likely to be a I/O Data Linkplayer 2 (Sigma EM8620). I intend to buy this player because of extended support for QPEL, DAR/PAR signaling, high bitrates and high resolution playback, as well as wireless network playback.

Question: As far as I know, DAR/PAR signaling doesn't work without packed bitstream in DirectShow playback. Would standalones that support DAR/PAR signaling require the use of packed bitstream or not?

Enigmax
13th May 2005, 20:48
Didn't test B-frames so far. 1 is said to be ok.

2 consecutive B-Frames plays OK.

Greetings

SeeMoreDigital
13th May 2005, 21:06
Originally posted by pelle412
Question: As far as I know, DAR/PAR signaling doesn't work without packed bitstream in DirectShow playback. It does work... but sadly not with XviD's DSdec filter... at the moment!

If you play an Mpeg4 PAR/DAR file (with or) without packed bit-stream in say, Nero's ShowTime player or VLC player, it will auto AR... just fine!

The files work okay in stand-alones players supporting Mpeg4 PAR/DAR signalling detection too!


Cheers

celtic_druid
14th May 2005, 05:45
Actually it isn't the lack of packed bitstream, but the lack of the DivX tag that is the issue. A non packed fine will resize if you add the tag, but then you have the problem of it playing back jerky.

SeeMoreDigital
14th May 2005, 09:49
Originally posted by celtic_druid
A non packed fine will resize if you add the tag, but then you have the problem of it playing back jerky. Just to let you know....

Both ShowTime and VLC players can "auto AR" Mpeg4 encodes without packed bit-stream, even with no "User Data" tag at all :eek:

And so can DivX's current DSdec filter. Provided "Use Advanced Hardware Overlay" option is ticked. And "Aspect Ratio" is set to Original" ;)


Cheers

NaN
14th May 2005, 10:30
@Seemoredigital:
As far as I know the pioneer players will get Nero digital certification in the near future. A firmware update is said to be in the works. However this sigma chipset seems to be very interesting!

Oh and please note that the colour artefacts seem to need a bit special circumstances, as I get them only in a certain scene for maybe 20 frames (the next inter-frame removes them, hence I think it has something to do with the intra-matrices) - so watch quite a bit to be sure there ain't no problems!

Cheers, NaN