How do I name these vts-es as Title 1, Title 2...?

[Surf]

Hi boyz,

I ran out of time this morning to resolve this:

From VobBlanker, I ONLY processed the VGMG, VTS-06(the movie) and VTS-08(nice extra) and planned to write my own flow in PGCedit. After blanking I renamed both the VTS-es to 01 and 02 respectively and went to GET VTS SECTOR in IFOedit to update.

PGCedit loaded the folder fine but these two titles don't have the designation! As in Title 1 and title 2.

Er....how do I correct that in IFOedit or PGCedit?

TIA.

[blutach]

Surf - I know you don't like having all those spare VTSs, but really, this is one unintended consequnce of your method. Name them back to what they were is the easiest way.

Otherwise, you can try to see if playing around in VTS_01_0.IF0/PTT_SRPTI and VIDEO_TS.IFO/VMG_PTT_SRPT tables in IfoEdit can help you.

Regards

[Surf]

:D

That's what I'll be doing:
"playing around in VTS_01_0.IF0/PTT_SRPTI and VIDEO_TS.IFO/VMG_PTT_SRPT tables in IfoEdit"

[r0lZ]

There are absolute references to the titlesets in the VMGM. If you move around your titlesets, these references will be wrong.

If you really wants to start from scratch, then create a new DVD with PgcEdit, and import the titles you want. PgcEdit will recreate the references in the VMGM.
You may also use DVDShrink to compile the titles you want, and import the menus later with PgcEdit.

[Surf]

Tried "playing around in VTS_01_0.IF0/PTT_SRPTI and VIDEO_TS.IFO/VMG_PTT_SRPT tables in IfoEdit" without success for I have no clue where the reference is.

So I used the tried and true method successfully with "DVDShrink to compile the titles you want, and import the menus later with PgcEdit".

Will try "If you really wants to start from scratch, then create a new DVD with PgcEdit, and import the titles you want." <<< Had a nagging notion that PgcEdit can do this, just didn't experiment. Will do tonite.

Off-T: with the above methods, there's no need for jump2pgc anymore.

In First Play, set a couple of control gprms and right away jump to vtsm1 root menu, linkpgcn x, 5 buttons. :p

[r0lZ]

Originally posted by Surf
Off-T: with the above methods, there's no need for jump2pgc anymore.

In First Play, set a couple of control gprms and right away jump to vtsm1 root menu, linkpgcn x, 5 buttons. :p Right. I do it this way also, when the original DVD is verry complex. Sometimes, it takes less time to write everything from scratch, than trying to understand what must be modified, and where. But this method requires some knowledges. The Jump2PGC method is for beginners.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by Surf
Off-T: with the above methods, there's no need for jump2pgc anymore.There's still some life to Jump2PGC as I have implemented the means to set default audio/sub/angle for Title(s)after Play button is pressed. It was there since v1.49. I've sent r0lZ, v1.52 with bugs fixed, to be uploaded at his convienance.

[Surf]

rOlZ does it this way also <<<< woohoo! :p

2COOL: the Jump2pgc is VERY much alive and useful! Especially when I have to preserve alllll the titles/games(kids movies). God help me if I remove any or disable any button... Recently I had to transplant Jack Jack Attack of Disc2 into Disc1....spoilt rotten!. :rolleyes:

[mrslacker]

Originally posted by r0lZ
If you really wants to start from scratch, then create a new DVD with PgcEdit, and import the titles you want. PgcEdit will recreate the references in the VMGM.

I tried to figure this out a while ago when you posted your PAL SPRM 7 test disc (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=92035) and I needed NTSC. Did you use PgcEdit to put that disc together? I converted all the video manually, and muxed each Title with MuxMan, but couldn't quite remake the structure... Was that a futile effort or a potential learning exorcise?

Like Surf, I sense the potential of PgcEdit as an authoring tool, but I have avoided it.

[r0lZ]

Yes, the Test SPRM 7 disc was made almost entierely with PgcEdit (except the actual images in it, of course).
(BTW, a NTSC version of this DVD exists here (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/third_party/r0lz/TEST_SPRM_7_NTSC.zip).)

Although not really an authoring program, PgcEdit can be used to create an 'empty' DVD, to import whole domains, and create dummy PGCs. This way, you can use it to author compilations of titlesets, and add your own menus, designed with another program. Of course, it's a lot of work, and it's better and quicker to use true authoring programs. But in some cases (like the Test SPRM 7 DVD), standard authoring programs are not suitables. PgcEdit, together with some authoring programs, can do almost anything you can imagine, because you have full control on many aspects of the 'inside' of the DVD.

[blutach]

@mrslacker

I would have thought that the test sprm7 disk would have been a good candidate for easy framerate conversion (to NTSC) as it had no audio and therefore no nasty sync issues.

Did it not work?

Regards

[mrslacker]

The conversion was a breeze. I just didn't take the time to figure out all the "New DVD"->"Import VTST Titles"->whatever & command editing. I suppose I could have used the DVD structure from the PAL disc. But, again, the unknown.

[Surf]

"Although not really an authoring program, PgcEdit can be used to create an 'empty' DVD, to import whole domains, and create dummy PGCs. This way, you can use it to author compilations of titlesets, and add your own menus, designed with another program. Of course, it's a lot of work, and it's better and quicker to use true authoring programs. But in some cases (like the Test SPRM 7 DVD), standard authoring programs are not suitables. PgcEdit, together with some authoring programs, can do almost anything you can imagine, because you have full control on many aspects of the 'inside' of the DVD."

The above may sound daunting, but believe me it's EASY! All one has to do is experiment and experiment, having the backup stored far away! :D

Mr. Slacker, you may want to try by following my thread here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=93291)

[mrslacker]

I read that recently. I also noticed that you got your wish for a "delete all commands" macro! ;) I'll take another look at what you did when I give it a shot next. Thanks for the encouragement!

The thing is, I generally like to do things the hard way. When I first started learning how to make DVDs, I made some complex motion menus for custom episode discs only using overlays in Avisynth and DVDAuthor. It took forever to get things looking good, but I had to be in control at the lowest level! I have since moved on to easier methods. Before and if I actually purchase a commercial authoring program, I'd like to know how to do everything at the lowest level. Know what I mean?

Sort of off topic PgcEdit observation:
I was playing with House of Flying Daggers (to see how the protection works) and PgcEdit rightly noted that their were extrs VTSs on the unmodified disc:
http://chappjc.home.comcast.net/pgcedit_titleset_count.jpg
It says "You should manually remove all files related to VTS 15." However, VTS 14 and 15 should be removed. Obvious, yes, but the message made me think twice. Sorry if this has been discussed already.

EDIT: So, Surf... I assume the start-from-scratch approach worked out to get your titles into Title 1 & Title 2?

[Surf]

What a coincidence! I was fighting with them flying daggers last night! :D
I was having problems with dvddecrypter v3.5.2 for there are about 7 dummy cells at the beginning to thwart the decrypting process! I bypassed it with IFO method, un-checking them affected cells. Then DVDshrink yelled at me exactly about the VTS 14 & 15 !! Checked it in PgcEdit. It's just garbage that I got rid off and GET VTS SECTOR in IFOedit.

I plan to "publish" the finished project in a day or two...with the above method mentioned by r0lZ with leetle more details. You'll see the gprms are reduced to a mere few...

[mrslacker]

Haven't checked for a new version lately? v3.5.4.0 removes this particular "structure protection". Actually, what I was doing with Daggers was comparing rips with & without removal of structure protection to get a better idea of why those 7 dummy cells can cause problems. It looks like bad authoring, but it serves its purpose.

EDIT: Only removes protection by default in FILE mode, not ISO.

[jeanl]

Originally posted by Surf
It's just garbage that I got rid off and GET VTS SECTOR in IFOedit.
Surf, just opening and saving the DVD in PgcEdit does a Get VTS Sectors for you! I don't think you need to go to IFOEdit after that! (I'm pretty sure).
jeanl

[r0lZ]

Originally posted by jeanl
Surf, just opening and saving the DVD in PgcEdit does a Get VTS Sectors for you! I don't think you need to go to IFOEdit after that! (I'm pretty sure).
jeanl Right. I'm sure! ;)

[mrslacker]

It turns out that VTS 14 & 15 aren't reference anyway, so there really shouldn't be any need to correct the sector references, as there are none to those "title sets". Decrypter automatically deslects these vob/ifo/bup sets if "Ignore Unreference VTS Sets" is selected.

But what about that PgcEdit message/warning? Shouldn't it say "You should manually remove all files related to VTS 14 & 15."?

[r0lZ]

Originally posted by mrslacker
But what about that PgcEdit message/warning? Shouldn't it say "You should manually remove all files related to VTS 14 & 15."? Yes, it should. And do now. I have fixed this little discrepancy.

[blutach]

You can, of course, make DVD Decrypter ignore unreferenced titlesets in all modes through the tools - settings menus.

Regards

[mrslacker]

Originally posted by mrslacker
Decrypter automatically deslects these vob/ifo/bup sets if "Ignore Unreference VTS Sets" is selected.
That's what I said! ;)

[blutach]

I thought you said it wasn't a default in IFO and ISO modes.

Tired here. Time to go 127.0.0.1 :)

Regards

[mrslacker]

The "structure protection" setting is entirely different from the "ignore unreferenced vts sets" setting. The former is set on a by mode basis, where as the later is a general setting.

It is late down there, huh?
10 print Home: 20 print Sweet: 30 goto 10

[Surf]

After many many many backups, now he(Jeani) tells me PgcEdit does the GET VTS SECTOR....:D

Thanks mon ami!

[jeanl]

Originally posted by Surf
After many many many backups, now he(Jeani) tells me PgcEdit does the GET VTS SECTOR....:D

Thanks mon ami!
Surf, get with it! :D
Do you think PgcEdit would create a DVD with a wrong VTS sector set? That's just sooooo insulting to r0lZ!!!! :D :D
jeanl

[blutach]

@Surf

Although it is not as much fun as posting questions and getting interactive responses :), one thing you might like to do (if you haven't already) is read the very extensive documentation in PgcEdit. It is located in the help menu. It just gives a snippet of what each command does (and is presently being updated as not all commands are covered), but if you print it out and read it, you will get enormous benefit from it, I assure you.

Believe it or not, this is the way I obtained some mastery over this very complex product. Give it a go!

Regards

[blutach]

@mrslacker - I don't undersdtand complex programming languages. Were you telling me to PO? LMAO!

Regards

[Surf]

ouch! me wrist hurts!

Blu, u have nooo idea how many interested 2COOL's and your guides I have in print. I have access to a HP 999ppm.... :D.

I must admit though it is only yesterday AFTER the last posting on "many many pgcedit usage explained" that I realized the help file has been updated!:o Thought I have been on top of things...

[mrslacker]

Originally posted by blutach
Were you telling me to PO? LMAO!
I'm confused. I don't understand esoteric acronyms. JK. :D In a nerdy way, is was saying "Home Sweet Home..." Just rephrasing my sig, that's all.

[2COOL]

I have this little devil on my shoulder prodding me to say this...

Now, is it mr. slacker or mrs. lacker? Of course, I'm referring to your username. :confused:

[Surf]

It's time to rename to Mr_Slacker. :p

"10 print Home: 20 print Sweet: 30 goto 10"

NOW I recognized it from somewhere....VIC-20?

[mrslacker]

Originally posted by 2COOL
I have this little devil on my shoulder prodding me to say this...

Now, is it mr. slacker or mrs. lacker? Of course, I'm referring to your username. :confused:
This has come up before (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=629819&highlight=mrs+lacker#post629819)! I guess I should reformat it or something. :angry: I assumed my status would clear it up.

@Surf:
I was beginning to think no one ever used a native BASIC interpreter! Although I never used the Commodores (besides C64 :)), just Apple and Atari.

[blutach]

Originally posted by mrslacker
I'm confused. I don't understand esoteric acronyms. JK. :D In a nerdy way, is was saying "Home Sweet Home..." Just rephrasing my sig, that's all. I know :D

And I don't think you can reformat your username, except maybe doom9 can help. I had wondered once whether you were mrs lacker, too LMAO, but your title clarifies things for the poor hopeless fool that I am :)

Regards