DVD-RB 0.87a-PRO and no subtitles

[Khauron]

Hello all,

Just did "Natural Born Killers, Director's Cut" R2 PAL with DVD-RB 0.87a-PRO and I got no subtitles. Damn. My mistake or something else?

I ripped the movie with latest DVD-Decrypter, no pre-processing or anything like that and loaded it into DVD-RB. I selected Movie only (no extras or menus), un-selected couple of languages AND un-selected two of four subtitles (could this be the problem here?).

Now I got no subtitles (at least no visible subtitles) with MPC or with my stand-alone player. The original of course has subtitles and yes - they are visible in MPC / stand-alone.

I have all the files (original and result) in my hard disk, so don't hesitate to ask if I paste one or two of them here.

Edit 1: So now I don't have the result files in my har disk, thanks to me. Deleted them by accident.
Well, I will try with another movie from now on. It takes a while, but I will post the results here.

Edit 2: I have the result files on DVD, but of course the logs and all of that is missing. Can any of the files in DVD be helpful?

[lark]

which subtitle streams did you leave?
what if you try to demux them, do you get anything?

regards
t :)

[Khauron]

1: Swedish
2: Finnish
3: Norwegian
4: Danish

I left 1 & 2, and removed 3 & 4.

With what I should demux them? VobSub?

[lark]

that's strange...

you could try pgcdemux or vobedit or subrip.

regards
t :)

[pg55555]

Why demux? To see if the subtitles are there?

Just load the DVD into Shrink and check

[lark]

yep, that would do also,
but doesn't it just give the size and no indication on the content.

i guess subrip should be the most reliable way to check, if they're there or not.

then totally another question is, why they don't show up in playback...

regards
t :)

[Khauron]

Loaded the movie into Shrink. And yes, the subtitles are there BUT they are 0 MB both. Strange.

Well, doing another movie and I will post the results....

[Halcy0n]

0 MB? You sure you didn't remove them by accident?

[Khauron]

Yes, I'm 100% sure I didn't remove them by accident. As said earlier, I removed two of four subtitles. These removed two doesn't show up in Shrink (which is right), and these two I kept shows up. Only thing is their size is 0 MB and player(s) doesn't show anything.

[pg55555]

Well, I've not been backing up DVDs for the last month, so I'm not update with the last working of RB, specially of the new movie only option, but one of the minor problems RB used to have was that, when striped subs or audio, the flags or pointers (I do not know)were kept, so they appeared in the options of the remote control. And when loaded in Shrink, they appeared but with a lengh of Zero.

[lark]

Originally posted by Khauron
Just did "Natural Born Killers, Director's Cut" R2 PAL with DVD-RB 0.87a-PRO and I got no subtitles. Damn. My mistake or something else?

I ripped the movie with latest DVD-Decrypter, no pre-processing or anything like that and loaded it into DVD-RB.

how did you rip it? in file mode? are you sure that the subtitles where in your ripped movie?

regards
t :)

[Khauron]

I ripped the movie in file mode. And yes, all the subtitles were in ripped-only movie. And to clear my point, if thw subtitles weren't present, they would have NOT been shown in DVD-RB. (which they did).

[Khauron]

UPDATE:

Did another movie: "Mulholland Drive", R2 PAL, did it excatly as the Natural Born Killer (see my first post) and I got so subtitles... This is getting interesting...

Ripped the Mulholland Drive with latest DVD-Decrypter in file mode (all files, of course and loaded it into DVD-RB. DVD-RB was installed and configured from the scratch, just to make sure. No pre-processing was done.

Made a selection of Movie only (no extras or subtitles). Took two out of three audios (one kept) AND un-selected two of four subtitles (so two were left). Clicked go and the result has no subtitles.

When I check the result with Shrink, it shows that there are these two subtitles I kelp. But their size is 0 MB.

And now I have the original AND the result files and logs im my hard drive. And no, I am not deleting the by accident ;)

Anyone?

[lark]

Originally posted by Khauron
I ripped the movie in file mode. And yes, all the subtitles were in ripped-only movie. And to clear my point, if thw subtitles weren't present, they would have NOT been shown in DVD-RB. (which they did).

i think rb gets the info from the IFO at that point of time and thus showing the subtitles doesn't mean that there are really some subtitle streams in the VOBs. it just means that subtitles are defined in the ifo.

regards
t :)

[lark]

what if you try to keep all subtitles?

regards
t :)

[Khauron]

I haven't tried that one yet, but is it worht it? I mean isn't this a clear bug in DVD-RB?

[lark]

i just did a test myself as well and got similar results.
see them in this thread http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=93683

regards
t :)

[jdobbs]

I'll take a hard look at subtitles and movie-only tomorrow. Something is going on. Hopefully I'll get a fix into v0.88.

[jdobbs]

It would be helpful to me to know if it works correctly when you keep all the subtitles... then at least I'll know it has to do with the selection mechanism.

[OvERaCiD23]

I've experienced this issue with quite a few DVDs as well. I've started leaving all the subtitles and haven't experienced it since. I know this isn't definitive evidence, but I used to run into the problem every 2-3 DVDs; now, never (~10-15 DVDs since changing).

[jdobbs]

But you're not talking about movie-only, right? There was a fix that went in a couple of versions ago for the standard subtitle issue.

[Khauron]

OK, another update:

Did the same movie which with I had problems when removing two of four subtitles (Mulholland Drive).

Now I didn't remove any subtitles and yes, all of they are visible. Only thing is that they are green and blurry. But this has to do with the bug in another thread (about the original color tabel not being copied).

So now DVD-RD was in movie-only mode, no pre-processing etc etc... And DVD-RB was iin movie-only mode also when the subtitles dissappeared.

I have all the files of both of the results (movie-only, removed two of four susbtitles = no subtitles at all in result & movie-only, didn't remove any on subtitles = visible subtitles but green). Don't hesitate to ask if you need any.