Nero digital

[BOB.T]

Can you watch a film on any dvd player if it is Recoded using nero digital or do you have to use one of the other programs that split the movie into a video_ts folder. I know you think i am thick but i am just trying to learn all about this stuff. Thanks

[Stacey Melissa]

You can use Recode, but not the Nero Digital codecs for that purpose.

[video]

If you are using the ASP, not AVC codec of nero digital, then your mp4 is playable on the siemessen standalone player. Other player may plays back your mp4, but possibly w/o vobsub subtitles. nin anutshell: nero recode encodes to nero digital, if you have a player having a nero digital logo on it, and you followed certain rules, the your nero digital should be playable on that standalone.

[bond]

moved, check out the mp4 faq i link to in my sig for a list of dvd players supporting mpe (including nerodigital)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Currently there are very few NeroDigital Certified (or capable) stand-alone players.

As far as I'm able to determine, the players we have so far are as follows: -

Siemssen SCO 5000 ND (out of the box)
RJTech RJ-1500DVX II (after manufacturers firmware update)
XORO HSD310 (after manufacturers firmware update)
XORO HSD415 (after manufacturers firmware update)

But it looks very much like more stand-alone players are promised ;)


Cheers

EDIT: None of the above players support Nero Mpeg4/AVC

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
As far as I'm able to determine, the players we have so far are as follows: -

Siemssen SCO 5000 ND (out of the box)
RJTech RJ-1500DVX II (after manufacturers firmware update)
XORO HSD310 (after manufacturers firmware update)
XORO HSD415 (after manufacturers firmware update)the mp4 faq tells me there are some more:
- KiSS's DP-558
- Tevion DR 2004
- Tevion DVD-4000
- Philips's DVP630/632/642 :p

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
the mp4 faq tells me there are some more...Yes... some of these players do indeed support the .MP4 container but I don't think any of them follow NeroDigital Certification.

It would be useful to have the Tevion DVD5000 - as this player looks very much like the Siemssen SCO 5000 ND, both internally and externally. And lets not forget the Momitsu V880N (http://www.momitsu.com/dvd_880n.html)


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Yes... some of these players do indeed support the .MP4 container but I don't think any of them follow NeroDigital Certification. well all except the devion dvd-4000 and the philips players are nero certified

apart from that who cares about the nero certification? .mp4 files are .mp4 files. why should a mp4 player, that supports aac, asp and whatnot, be any worse than exactly the same player, which is nero certified?

[SeeMoreDigital]

The main problems with stand-alone players that support the .MP4 container and AAC audio but do not carry NeroDigital Certification are.... Lack of subtitle support/stream switching
Lack of audio stream switching Personally for me, not being able to switch between audio streams is the biggest annoyance.

Not even relatively new stand-alone players (based around Sigma's EM8620L chip-set) that support the .MP4 container, such as Buffalo's LinkTheater or I-O DATA's LinkPlayer are able to switch between audio streams.... a real bummer!


Cheers

[bond]

its not true that only nero certified players are able to switch streams of course. placing multiple audio streams in mp4 is nothing special related to nero only or so

to make it short: of course its possible that a non-nero certified player is able to switch audio streams (and maybe its already the case in some players)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
...to make it short: of course its possible that a non-nero certified player is able to switch audio streams (and maybe its already the case in some players) I agree with you, being able to switch between multiple audio streams should not be confined solely to NeroDigital Certified players.

Sadly though (and as far as I've been able to determine) none of the non NeroDigital Certified players seem to have implemented it. And unless recent firmware updates have changed this situation, I am able to confirm that the following devices do not allow audio stream switching within .MP4 (whether it be AAC or MP3 audio): - KISS DP-558
Momitsu V880
Momitsu V880N

Tevion DR 2004
Tevion DVD 4000

Philips DVP63x
Philips DVP64x

Buffalo LinkTheater
I-O DATA LinkPlayer (both models)

Pinnacle ShowCenter
Pinnacle ShowCenter 200
ADS Media-Link
Personally I find it very frustrating that device manufacturers are not better informed about the .MP4 containers capabilities ;)


Cheers

[bond]

interesting :)
how did you get this info?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
interesting :)
how did you get this info? Because I've been in contact with player/device owners on this forum and other forums.

I'm also yet to find a device that can play Mpeg2 video with AAC audio in .MP4. My ADS Media-Link is able to play the audio element of such files. But my Sigma Xcard completely crashes WinXP... forcing a system re-boot :eek:

That said, it might be useful to find out how many software players, filters and parsers can do this. So far I know VLC player can, it's even possible to switch between AAC audio and subtitle streams...


Cheers

[JuanCC]

If the Hardware NeroDigital Certified stand-alone players don't support AVC , which is the advantage to a XviD file ?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Mpeg4/AVC has been designed to offer higher compressibility and visual quality over Mpeg4/SP/ASP (ie: XviD, DivX, 3ivx etc).

Because Mpeg4/AVC is still a relatively new innovation, it will be a few months yet before we will find decoding chip-sets in stand-alone players - or even encoders.....

Personally speaking, when such chip-sets do arrive, I think the bulk of them will be high-def capable.


Cheers

[musicnyman]

i've had the buffalo linktheater for a while now, and i'd figured i'd post my comments on nero and the LT:

- nero digital files play fine except for 6 channel audio. only stereo is supported
- no chappter support as of yet, just plays the movie, which is fine for now. at least i can play mp4 nero digital files no problem.
- i've used divx/xvid encodes for a LONG time, and since i got the LT, i've moved to creating .mp4 nero digital files instead because of the perfomance gains and time. i can encode a 2 pass movie in nero recode2 in less than an hour, where it takes about 3 hours for the same movie in DIVX/XVID through virtualdub. and quality seems better and no stuttering or glitches in the movie. very happy with the format so far. only thing i don't like about nero recode2 is you can't do batch encoding when only encoding the main movie. you can get around it in the "multiple title" mode of recode2, but you can't set encoding variables for each movie. so if you kick off 10 at a time, they all share the same enconding variables and 2 pass settings.

buffalo tech is working hard on getting nero digital certification so i'm looking forward to that so i can have my chapters in my current mp4 nero digital files.

[ziv_r]

Can someone please tell me what exactly are the benefits of a standalone player that have the "Nero Digital certification"?

[bond]

no double posts