Rjtech RJ-1500DVX II firmware update supports nero mp4

[woah!]

seems they have a firmware update for the RJ-1500DVX II that includes Nero mp4.

bad news for me is i got the RJ-800 model :(


cool that they are on this quick tho.. anyone with this player want to see if it works.


http://www.rjtech.net/rj1500ii.html

[Sharktooth]

It's an official firmware, but that phrase "New Nero MP4" is not correct. I think it supports the MP4 container and the decoding of NeroDigital ASP profile.

[bond]

well if its certified by nero it will for sure support the .mp4 container, with aac-lc audio (no matter what aac codec used) and asp video (meaning b-frames, but no qpel and no gmc, no matter what encoder used), vobsubs and chapters

maybe it also supports more, but as a guideline, thats what the nero certification means, if its nero certificated

moved to hardware player forum

[SeeMoreDigital]

Nice one!

Is anybody able to confirm the chip-set type please?


Cheers

[bond]

hm it seems the RJTech RJ-4000 player uses the Vibratto S chip, mayba the 1500dvx also uses a vibratto?
most players with .mp4 support use the vibratto II btw

just guessing

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
...most players with .mp4 support use the vibratto II btw ... Or the Zoran 776 ;)


Cheers

[Wesley Hester]

The RJ-Tech RJ-1500DVXII uses the ESS Vibratto II. I'm going to try this firmware update right now.

Correction: I'll try this firmware as soon as I can make a nero digital disc. I can't believe I have all of mine in another location.

Flashed the player and the first thing I noticed is the splash screen is different. Gone is the swan. Now there is a yellow background with a RJ-Tech Logo and the slogan "a new way of life". I didn't mind the last splash screen but what I do like about the change is that it confirms the firmware update better than the last one.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks for the chip-set confirmation Wesley.... And welcome to the forum ;)


Cheers

[Wesley Hester]

I just made a Nero Digital CD disc using Recode 2 with two channel stereo from a backup of a DVD movie I had made earlier using AnyDVD and CloneDVD2 on a DVD+R.

After putting the disc into the RJ-1500DVXII and the screen displaying READING INDEX... for several seconds, it played!!

I thought I was going to have to wait until I purchased a Nero Digital player and now I have one already.

The chapter breaks of the DVD title are intact and function. Furthermore, the subtites are also supported (yellow with black outline) and they look great. Fast forward and fast rewind are supported to 16X like DivX.

Some more information: using slow motion and resuming normal speed caused an audio delay. Stoping playback and then pressing play restarts the title instead of resuming from the stop point (similar to DivX playback and unlike DVD playback). Starting the title over still produced a several second pause before playback actually started. OSD button cycles Title Remain and Title Elapse only and not Chapter Reamin/Elapse too like DVD. Menu and Title buttons on the remote do not function and the hand appears in the upper, left corner indicating the functions aren't allowed. Next and Previous Chapter functions aren't as fast as DVD Video and recovery isn't exactly smooth but they do work. Unfortunately, I've yet to find a way to go directly to a specific chapter number.

I'll try a 5.1 audio disc when I've had some sleep.

I am glad I ran across this thread because even though I cycle through a hundred or so sites to keep as current as possible, I would not have made it back to the RJ-Tech site for awhile.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Wesley Hester
The chapter breaks of the DVD title are intact and function. Furthermore, the subtites are also supported (yellow with black outline) and they look great. Fast forward and fast rewind are supported to 16X like DivX. Thanks again Wes :)

Well, it looks like you guys over in North America do indeed have a stand-alone player that supports NeroDigital's core implementations...

...This is great news :D

[bond]

wesley, you might want to check out the samples available here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88680) to test the full capabilities of your player

[Wesley Hester]

Bond, will do and thanks for the test disc because I don't think I could have produced anything like it currently myself.

[Wesley Hester]

I cut and pasted results from another thread and just typed over my own results.

**video slow - video plays but looks like you hit the SLOW button on the remote but of course didn't.

\audio\mpeg-1\mp2
01-mp2_2lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 won't start
02-mp2_2lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 no sound, video slow**


\audio\mpeg-1\mp3
03-mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 all ok
04-mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 all ok
05-mp3-cbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 no sound, video slow**
06-mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 all ok
07-mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 all ok
08-mp3-vbr_lame_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 no sound, video slow**


\audio\mpeg-4\
09-aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 all ok
10-aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 all ok
11-aac-he_vbr-nero_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 all ok
12-aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 all ok
13-aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4box.mp4 all ok
14-aac-lc_cbr-qt_sp-divx_mp4ui.mp4 all ok


\audio\mpeg-4\multichannel
15-aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4 all ok!*

*My RJ-1500DVXII is currently connected to a stereo television but the test tone/channel callouts during the clip could be heard for "Front Left" and "Front Right" and more importantly, "LFE". Although this can't be a totally conclusive test without a proper 5.1 hook up, the results seem to show 5.1 support.


\video
16-asp-adapt_nero_mp4box.mp4 no sound, good video (best)
17-asp-custom_xvid_mp4box.mp4 no sound, ok video
18-asp-gmc-1wp_divx_mp4box.mp4 no sound, ok video
19-asp-gmc-3wp_xvid_mp4box.mp4 skip to play next file
20-asp-mpeg_xvid_mp4box.mp4 no sound, video ok
21-asp-qpel_divx_mp4box.mp4 skip to play next file
22-sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4 no sound, video w/pixellation


\video\anamorphic
23-sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4box.mp4 no sound, video ok
24-sp-par-ntsc_xvid_mp4ui.mp4 OSD "CODEC. NOT SUPPORTED"


\video\avc
25-avc-base_nero.mp4 won't start


\video\b-frames
26-asp-1b-pb_divx_3ivx.mp4 no sound, video ok
27-asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4box.mp4 no sound, video ok
28-asp-1b-pb_divx_mp4ui.mp4 skip to play next file
29-asp-3b_xvid_3ivx.mp4 no sound, video ok
30-asp-3b_xvid_mp4box.mp4 no sound, video ok
31-asp-3b_xvid_mp4ui.mp4 OSD "CODEC. NOT SUPPORTED"


\video\chapters
32-chapters_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4 no sound, video pixellation
33-chapters_sp-3ivx_nero-64bitmdat.mp4 no sound, video pixellation


\video\mpeg1-2\
34-mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4 won't start
35-mpeg1-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4 won't start
36-mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4box.mp4 won't start
37-mpeg2-tmpg_cbr-noB_mp4ui.mp4 won't start


\special\pictures
38-jpg_mp4box.mp4 won't start
39-png_mp4box.mp4 won't start


\special\subtitles
40-timedtext_mp4box.mp4 no sound, video ok, no subs
41-vobsub_sp-3ivx_3ivx.mp4 no sound, video ok, subs yes
42-vobsub_sp-3ivx_mp4ui.mp4 no sound, video ok, subs yes


\special\systems
43-kangaroo.mp4 won't start


\special\private
44-theora_mp4box.mp4 won't start
45-vorbis_mp4box.mp4 won't start
46-alac_itunes.m4a won't start


\special\xcd
47-sp_3ivx_mp4box.mp4.dat won't start

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks for posting your results Wesley,

With regard to the following file: -

\audio\mpeg-4\multichannel
15-aac-lc-5.1_vbr-nero_sp-divx_3ivx.mp4

Could you try connecting your TV to the players "rear left" and "rear right" outputs (instead of the "front left" and "front right" outputs) and try playing the file again?

With any luck you should only be able to hear the phrase "rear left" and "rear right". If you d... this means the player is capable of correctly outputting 6Ch AAC audio correctly!


Cheers

[Wesley Hester]

SeeMoreDigital, that's a damn good idea. I'm glad you thought of it because moving this player and connecting it to my home theater system would not be an easy task.

I will have to change the Speaker Setup Downmix option from Stereo to OFF in addition to changing the audio connections from L/R to Surround L/R. Surrounds are verified turned on.




It Worked!! I could hear Right Surround and then Left Surround in there proper places. Excellent. I'm going to be using Recode 2 and the 5.1 audio option from now on.

If CAVS doesn't release a firmware update for my DVD-103G, I may end up switching the players around as they are virtually the same player except the RJ-Tech support DivX VOD and the CAVS supports Super CD+G. Note: I tried the Nero Digital CD I made last night in the CAVS as a what the hay and it didn't recognize the file or display it in the file index.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Wesley Hester
It Worked!! I could hear Right Surround and then Left Surround in there proper places. Excellent. I'm going to be using Recode 2 and the 5.1 audio option from now own. Thanks for the confirmation... In this regard the Rjtech RJ-1500DVX offers more flexibility than the European Siemssen SCO DVD5000 player!

EDIT: Just found a photo of the European players rear connectors. Does your player have a VGA output Wesley?

http://img152.exs.cx/img152/2209/rjtechrj1500dvxiirearconnectio.jpg


Cheers

[Wesley Hester]

Yes, the RJ-1500DVXII has a VGA output. In fact the rear of the unit looks just like the picture you posted. I am currently using the S-Video and Mix-L/Mix-R connections. For karaoke usage, I have to use the Mix-outputs.

As a side note, my very similar CAVS DVD-103G even has a SCART output along with the VGA output. However, I just got a reply from CAVS tech support that they have no plans for a firmware update and really didn't seem to know exactly what Nero Digital was. On well I guess but I hate having to use 3 or 4 players in my home theater just to do all the things I want. Players that support as many formats as possible is my thing.

[castellanos]

Hm... nice for you RJ-1500DVXII owners!! We, instead, get nothing for our Philips DVDP 630/642 (with the same chip-set). I hope this will encourage Philips to be nicer with their customers... who knows! :rolleyes:
Greetings!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by castellanos
Hm... nice for you RJ-1500DVXII owners!! We, instead, get nothing for our Philips DVDP 630/642 (with the same chip-set). I hope this will encourage Philips to be nicer with their customers... who knows! :rolleyes:
Greetings! I told you you should have waited a bit longer before buying a player castellanos ;)


Cheers

[castellanos]

My dear SeeMoreDigital:
You know better than me, that there is no "right" time to buy electronics. It is now or never!
(Talking generally) If you want to wait for better posibilities, you would never buy anything... and this is happening all the time in our days.
Yes, I could have waited till something better comes... then I would be till now without DVD Player and even, if I get something now, tomorrow will come something new and I'm going to be outdated anyway. ;)
I just don't like the fact that the ESS Vibratto II chip-set can do a lot more than what Philips want to offer to their customers.
Greetings! :)

[Wesley Hester]

I've got my older Recode (2.0 audio) CDs back and they all play well: chapter stops, subtitle, et al.

Sorry about detailing the subtitles in an earlier post. I only learned recently how Recode handles them from DVD and it explains why the subtitles differ from movie to movie.

At least with CDs, the player seems to strugle to recover sometimes from multiple chapter advances in succession and from 8X and 16X fast forwards. Sometimes these functions result in very long audio delay that I have to 'clear' by Pausing playback and then resuming. Stopping and then resuming to relieve the audio delay, like I've done with earlier Asian players and Dolby 2.0, is not an option with these Nero Digital files as playback is restarted from the beginning after a stop.

Overall, I am still very pleased with the results. Also, when I find the time, I will burn several movies to DVD and see if there is a performance boast as there seems to be to me with DivX on CD versus DVD.

Later.

[jarjar]

Dear WesleyHester,

Can you tell me how you encode 5.1 nerodigital mp4 file?

In my testing, this player can only play ASP/Standard.

However, in nerorecord2, 5.1 surround is gray out for the asp/standard
profile.

It does play stereo (digital/analog) beautifully.

Thanks,
JarJar

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi JarJar and welcome to the forum...

In order for Recode2 to offer 5.1 AAC audio for Mpeg4/SP/ASP encodes, the correct "Profile" has to be selected: -

http://img66.echo.cx/img66/1967/recode2profiles6tg.png

Plus, you can't generate 5.1 encodes with the "Demo" versions of Recode2...


Cheers

[jarjar]

Dear SeeMoreDigital,

Thanks for your quick reply.

I did select the correct profile "Standard".
There are ASP for (maximum, mobil, portable,standard, cinema, HDTV)
It is the same for AVC.

I try all of the profiles. Only Standard/ASP will play in this player.

However, when I select this Standard profile, the 5.1 selection will be
gray out. If I select Cinema or HDTV, then I can choose 5.1.

Yes, I purchased the retail verion of the Nero(6.6...).

Thanks,
JarJar

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi JarJar,

Even if you are intending to play your encodes on your RJTech player, there's nothing stopping you selecting say, the "Maximum Definition", "Cinema" or "High Definition TV" profiles!

As long as you don't go mad with the bit-rate setting and your resolution does not exceed 720x576 (anamorphic), you should be okay ;)

When it comes to Mpeg4/AVC encoding, the following profiles that do not offer 5.1 AAC encoding are "Portable - AVC" and "Mobile - AVC".

But please remember, your player (and no other current player for that matter), supports playback of Mpeg4/AVC.


Cheers

[jarjar]

Thanks,

In other words, this RJ player can't handle nero/mp4/multi-channle format.

In earlier post, Wesley Hester said that it can.

I am just wondering.

JarJar

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by jarjar
In other words, this RJ player can't handle nero/mp4/multi-channle format. From my replies, I don't know how you have arrived at that conclusion :(

Yes... the player does allow playback of 5.1 AAC-LC audio streams.

But in order to generate them with Recode2, you will have to select either the "Maximum Definition", "Cinema" or "High Definition TV" profiles!


Cheers

[jarjar]

Hi,

Thanks for the quick reply.

I guess that I didn't make myself clear.

This player can only handle asp/standard.

It won't play any other profile.

Thanks,
JarJar

[SeeMoreDigital]

Can you try this (http://82.2.167.237/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/Recode2_Max-Def_Profile.zip) sample please?


Cheers

[jarjar]

Hi!

I am able to play your file.

However, I try my own maximum profile and it won't play.

Is there any setting that I need to do?

Thanks,
JarJar

[jarjar]

Hi!

I try your file again.

I hook up the 5.1 speakers.
It doesn't sound right. There are some distortions.

The wierd thing is that when I use asp/standard I can even use
spdif/raw or /pcm digital out.
I thought the digital out should be in AAC format.
However my receiver can play them.

Thanks,

JarJar

[jarjar]

I did more testing.

Maximum profile : Video is OK, 5.1 aac is not working.

Standard profile : Video is OK, aac(2.0) is OK.

Cinema : Video/audio not working.


I still can't do nero 5.1.

Did I get a defected player?


Thanks,
JarJar

[agressiv]

Have you tried both digital (SPDIF/optical) and analog (5xRCA) outputs?

agressiv

[jarjar]

Digital(SPDIF/raw/pcm) and analog work for Standard profile.

They didn't work for other profiles.

JarJar

[agressiv]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but:

Did you load the firmware update as well?

http://www.rjtech.net/rj1500ii.html

agressiv

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi JarJar,

I think you are getting a little confused by all of these Recode2 "profiles" and what they do/offer!

Have you had a look at JohnV's NeroDigital Information (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88775) thread. Once there, you will find links to other threads containing a great deal of useful information about Mpeg4, MP4, Profiles, etc, etc


Now, with regard to playing and listening to encodes containing 6Ch AAC-LC audio... Please, try and understand that you can only "correctly" do this by connecting via the 6No analogue audio outputs. This is because your surround sound amplifier will not have been fitted with an AAC decoder chip!

This means, if you connect via either of the digital outputs, the sound you are hearing will have been down-mixed from an 6Ch AAC-LC stream to an 2Ch pro-logic type PCM stream.

If you would like to conduct your own "channel mapping" tests. Here's an 6Ch AAC-LC Speaker Test File (http://82.2.167.237/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/6ChAAC+Video.zip) for you to try...


Cheers

[jarjar]

Thanks for all your quick reply!

1. I am not sure whether I need to update the firmfare. I just got it
last week and it played asp/standard with chapter and subtitle supports.
So, I think I have an up-to-date firmware.
Is there a way for me to check the version of the firware?

2. For all the testings, I have tested both digital and analog outputs.
(I also listen to dvd-audio and sacd. I know something about the issues.)

3. Since no processor can process the aac digital output. I imagine that this player will perform the D/A for the 5.1 channles and send them out to the RCA analog output. However, it is not working.

4. Does anyone has successfully encode a movie in a mp4/5.1 aac format using nerorecord2 and play them in this player with right video/audio?


Thanks,

JarJar

[jarjar]

Hi! SeeMoreDigital

I try your 6Ch AAC-LC Speaker Test File.

It is not working. (6 rca cables to my receiver)

I tried both digital and analog. Both failed.

I can barley hear the voce said left, center.....

However, they are all distorted any way.

I guess it is either I have a defected player or this version of
firmware can't handle 5.1 nero.


Thanks,
JarJar

[agressiv]

I wouldn't be surprised if you simply need the firmware update.

My "guess" is that your player is handling those Nero MP4's as standard MP4's - you need the firmware update to get the full support.

Just because you gut the player recently doesn't mean it has the latest firmware. In many cases factories always manufacture units with the same firmware throughout the entire lifespan of the product; its up to the consumer to apply any changes such as firmware updates.

Once again, just a guess.

agressiv

[jarjar]

Hi! agressiv,

I don't think the standard MP4 can play nero's format with chapter and
subtitle supports, since nero use their own way of integrating both.

There are some folks find their players dead after updating the firmware.

Thanks,
JarJar

[SeeMoreDigital]

JarJar and agressiv,


You both might be interested to know of the following post by Scarpad: -

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=657239#post657239


Cheers

[jarjar]

That is why I don't really want to do it.

I guess the search will continue here in USA to find
a player that can do nero 5.1.

In the mean time, if I apply the dsp processing to the stereo
output, at least I can still enjoy 5.1 sound.

It is just not as good as the real 5.1.

Thanks,
JarJar

[sushix]

There is a new firmware released on 5/25. Anyone tried that one yet? My friend has this player but he does not want to upgrade his player since his player play Nero MP4 already.

[jarjar]

From its release notes, this firmware update is the same as the one release
in March.

I am not sure what is new in this new release.

The one I purchased in early May can play nero mp4 with
aac(2.0), standard/maximum asp profiles, subtitle, and chapter.

Thanks,
JarJar

[SeeMoreDigital]

...The one I purchased in early May can play nero mp4 with
aac(2.0), standard/maximum asp profiles, subtitle, and chapter.This sounds good :D

Do you know which version software has been pre-loaded with your player?


Cheers

[sushix]

Is there a way you can check the firmware version of this player?

[jarjar]

I will let you know as soon as I find out.

Happy Encoding!

[Scarpad]

Is there a way you can check the firmware version of this player?


There is definately a menu that will show you what firmware you're running.
My 1500 is still dead , no power, the first FW Update I did failed at the very end. Then when I repowered up wacky things was happenning the tray would not close, the remote would not work. Figuring I had nothing to lose since it was FU anyhow I redid the FW update, this time it succeeded. I powered down and tried to power back up but the player would no longer play. It sucks cause I had the thing 2 months. And RJtech will not warrantee problems after a FW Update, it's do at your own risk. So I'm out $80

[hulinning]

Hi,
Can anyone tell me which nero digital profile to select ( or any option to select ) when making nero MP4 for Rj1500 DVXii.
I try standard profile and put on dvd, the player said no codec support.
I did try to update firmware to latest verion 5/25/2005.
Can I use 5.1 surround sound yet?

Thanks for all your help

[jarjar]

Hi! hulinning,

Standard/Maximum is working for me.
Unfortunatelly, there is no 5.1 yet.

It can do standard asp, chapter, subtitle, and aac(2.0).


Happy Encoding!!

JarJar

[SeeMoreDigital]

Can you try this (http://82.2.167.237/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/Recode2_Max-Def_Profile.zip) Max-Def Profile sample with 6Ch AAC audio please?

Please note, it does not contain any ASP features, such as B-VOP, Qpel and GMC.


Cheers

[hulinning]

I did try your file. it does play but no audio output.
I think currently MP4 just support 2 channels only as jarjar mentioned.

I hope they will support 5.1 surround sound. If not I would not try to make my movie in Nero format with 2 channel. I would rather use CCE or if I use divx I would use Fairuse or Auto GK to keep my 5.1 surround sound signal.

I can play Nero MP4 file with 2 channel now using standard profile only.

See

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi hulinning,

Are you using the "analogue" outputs?


Cheers

[hulinning]

I use digital output. but no sound

See

[SeeMoreDigital]

I use digital output. but no soundOkay... I will say this one more time (again).

You can't pass 6Ch AAC audio streams from this stand-alone player (or any other stand-alone player for that matter) to your DSS (Digital Surround Sound) amplifier via the "digital" (S/P-DIF) output....

The only way you will be able to hear 6Ch AAC audio is if you connect using the stand-alone players "analogue" outputs.


Cheers

[hulinning]

Thanks SeeMoreDigital

I can make it work now. But I have to turn off digital output from DVD menu which I do not like it.

I would rather to use Auto GK or Fairuse to produce avi file with 5.1 dss and able to output to digital S/P-DIF. Since I do not have to change digital to analog and vice versa

Unless Nero changes their Audio format such that I can use my digital connection(coax/optical) I see no point to use this format right now except for faster encoding video

For myself, I would prefer the best video quality and audio (must be 5.1 dss). Time to encoding is not an issue.

See

[riggits]

Thanks SeeMoreDigital

I can make it work now. But I have to turn off digital output from DVD menu which I do not like it.

I would rather to use Auto GK or Fairuse to produce avi file with 5.1 dss and able to output to digital S/P-DIF. Since I do not have to change digital to analog and vice versa

Unless Nero changes their Audio format such that I can use my digital connection(coax/optical) I see no point to use this format right now except for faster encoding video

For myself, I would prefer the best video quality and audio (must be 5.1 dss). Time to encoding is not an issue.

See

Why not use the original 5.1ch AC3 stream? You have a DVD player, and several XviD-encoded movies can fit on a single DVD even with the original AC3 sound. Using Nero decreases video quality (comp. XviD) as well, unless things have changed since v6.6.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Why not use the original 5.1ch AC3 stream? Because AAC does for AC3 audio, the same as Mpeg4 does for Mpeg2 video... it compresses!

And don't forget NeroDigital allows chapter search and multiple subtitles ;)


Cheers

[Hyper Shinchan]

Unless Nero changes their Audio format such that I can use my digital connection(coax/optical) I see no point to use this format right now except for faster encoding video
The producers should change their external decoder, it's not Nero's fault. With the analog output you use the build in decoder of the player, with the digital output you use the external one.
Anyway for the AC3 compared with AAC I agree with SeeMoreDigital, if you don't like AAC for the audio, why should you use XivD (or othe MPEG-4 codecs) for the video? AAC at the moment is the best audio encoder avaible, it gives perfect audio at low bitrate.
I would rather to use Auto GK or Fairuse to produce avi file with 5.1 dss and able to output to digital S/P-DIF. Since I do not have to change digital to analog and vice versa
So do you prefer to spend the double and more of the time for the encoding (and you prefer a lower compressed audio format) than to spend some seconds when you have to watch your movies?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Sadly, when it comes to decoding AAC audio, there are currently no "external" decoders in production.

A couple of years ago there were a few DSS amps in production but from what I remember I think they only offered 2Ch decoding... but you could connect via S/P-DIF.

To put things into some kind of perspective... most people wanting to listen to 6Ch DVD-A or SACD media also have to connect via analogue ;) And you're in the same sorry state if you want to listen to 6Ch WMA9 Pro audio streams - although Pioneer have recently launched some compatible decoder/amps.


Cheers

[hulinning]

To SeeMoreDigital
Thanks for your comments. I can play your test file now with audio.
However, I would like to know how to burn my MP4 to dvd. I use UDF and it does not regconize the file using Maximum Profiles.


Thanks

[jarjar]

Hi! hulinning,

What software did you use to burn UDF?

I am usig nero to burn UDF to DVD+R/DVD+RW.
It works for both standard and maximum.

However, if your are using DVD+R, you will need to finalize the disk for
this player to play it.

Happy Encoding!!

JarJar

[hulinning]

Hi Jarjar,

I use Nero Burning Rom to burn my single MP4 (4.3 Gig) to DVD with UDF option. I do this because I want to have the best video quality by encoding dual layer dvd to single layer dvd( 7.5 gig to 4.3 gig).

What I see is I can play smaller file but not with large file.

Are you able to play single MP4 file ( large file > 4 gig) on DVD?

If yes, how do you do it?

Thanks a lot.

[rernst]

Can you try this (http://82.2.167.237/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/Recode2_Max-Def_Profile.zip) Max-Def Profile sample with 6Ch AAC audio please?

Please note, it does not contain any ASP features, such as B-VOP, Qpel and GMC.


Cheers

Late in the thread but I'd like to add my two cents: Using multi-channel output (explicitly turining SP/DIF off in the Preferences Menu) I can watch the test clip just fine, including subtitles and perfect 6.1 sound.

Excellent stuff...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Not too late at all.... Thanks for the positive feedback rernst :)


Cheers

[rernst]

SMD - while your example plays fine, I seem to have a bit of trouble encoding my own. I keep getting stuttering, very often but just briefly but sufficient to make the movie unwatchable.

I used maximum definition and 5.1.

I do not believe it is the media because I used the same media to burn your clip. Are there any encoding settings I need to tweak?

[SeeMoreDigital]

What are your other settings?

Can you confirm whether your encodes include say, B-VOP (and how many), Qpel, GMC. What's the (average) bit-rate of your encode and its pixel size?


Cheers

[rernst]

I am using H 263 quantitization, Spatial prediction, predicted VOP and unrestricted motion vectors. Half pixel, not quarter pixel.

Basically the Maximum Definition settings out of the box.

[SeeMoreDigital]

You may have noticed that there are slight differences in the default settings of the "Standard" and the "Maximum Definition" profiles.


With the Standard profile, which Nero/Siemssen advise you to use with the player, you typically see the following: -

Under Quality/Speed
Max MV Range = -64 to 63.5
Psycho-Visual Quality Level = High

Under Advanced
Spatial Prediction = Checked
Predicted VOP = Checked
Unrestricted Motion Vectors = Checked
4 Motion Vectors per Macroblock = Checked
Bi-Directional VOP = Checked
Support of Interlaced VOP = N/A
Global Motion Compensation = N/A


With the Maximum Definition profile you typically see the following: -

Under Quality/Speed
Max MV Range = -16 to 15.5
Psycho-Visual Quality Level = High

Under Advanced
Spatial Prediction = Checked
Predicted VOP = Checked
Unrestricted Motion Vectors = Checked
4 Motion Vectors per Macroblock = Not Checked
Bi-Directional VOP = Not Checked
Support of Interlaced VOP = Not Checked
Global Motion Compensation = Not Checked

As you can see there are differences with the, Max MV Range, 4 Motion Vectors per Macroblock and Bi-Directional VOP.

It should not make any difference to your player whether you select/use B-VOP but it might be worth experimenting with the other settings...

But what about your your bit-rate (Video Quality) settings. With Standard profile, you can't exceed 4.00Mbps but with the Maximum Definition profile, you can go as high as 9.8Mbps, which could be way too high for your player!


Cheers

[rernst]

Note that I have the RJTech, not the Siemssen.
I have trid bitrates from 760 to 2.0.

I am afraid I have to backpedal a bit - I *do* hear a few clicks in the sample flick.

Maybe the firmware is not completely ready for primetime?

I am running the Bank30.rom - whatever version that is.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Note that I have the RJTech, not the Siemssen.
I have trid bitrates from 760 to 2.0..As you probably already know, Nero recommends that the "Standard" profile be selected for use with all currently available NeroDigital Certified players. So ne would presume these settings will be safe to use within all other profiles too!

I am afraid I have to backpedal a bit - I *do* hear a few clicks in the sample flick.I guess it could be clipping. But given there's so many reports regarding NeroDigital generating AAC audio at "low volume levels" I doubt it.

I am running the Bank30.rom - whatever version that is.Don't forget that many people have reported KILLING THEIR RJTech PLAYERS with the previous firmware.... Hopefully the 13 July 2005 version will fair better!

EDIT: With regard to the 13 July 2005 firmware. If you find some datails about what this firmware does, please let me know?


Cheers

[rernst]

Well, I didn't kill the player but I read the posts. My guess is that the dead players originate from improperly bruned firmware disks. You can't use multi-session for those and I figure a little scratch is going to do you in as well.

I shot RJTech an email inquiring about the encoding parameters and whether they have a newer firmware. I presume their internal buffer is just too small and even another firmware upgrade cannot change that.

Maybe I'll get a response ;-).

You are right. If all I can do is standard (and no 5.1), I'll go with DivX 6, which unfortunately throws me back into manual mode.

On the other hand, Recode has some other problems such as confusing my player when confronted with a 1.85 aspect ratio (vertical stretch). If I use DGIndex/Avisynth/VirtualDubMod with DivX 6 I get a perfect picture.

Let's see when the first H.264 standalone makes it here into the U.S.

[SeeMoreDigital]

You are right. If all I can do is standard (and no 5.1), I'll go with DivX 6, which unfortunately throws me back into manual mode.Why not see what happens if you enter/use the "Standard" profile settings with the "Maximum Definition" profile?

With regard to your 1.85:1 encodes. Do you know what pixel settings are you using. Can you provide a short clip?

You can email a clip to me if you like!


Cheers

[dede95064]

i bought my unit a few weeks ago and already had the latest firmware which supported nero mp4 files. i then noticed there was a new firmware 7/13/05 out. i installed this latest firmware and much to my dismay, it was the firmware before the one with the nero mp4 support. in other words,


don't download this new firmware if you already have the nero mp4 support! it will remove the nero mp4 support!


by the way, updating your player works well as long as you finalize the cd and choose no multisession with nero. i had no problems.

[aguilar]

hello
i have a rj1500 player, how can i play a mp4 file generated by nero digital?
how looks the latest firmware screen?
is there a way to know which firmware is installed?
thanks in advance

[dede95064]

check out my previous posts on this player by clicking on my name.

the 'right' firmware is the one with the yellow screen.

[aguilar]

thanks for your quick answer, i have the one with the blue bird, do you know where i can get the right one?
thanks again

[dede95064]

try:

http://www.cahabahometheater.com/firmware.htm

i'm not too sure which one of those it is. it's been a while since i did it myself.

again, make sure you follow the instructions properly or you might kill your player accidently!

[aguilar]

thanks again
there are 3 files clearly identified, i will try now
regards