[AVC player] Here they come !!!

[G-Slide]

Good News ! Kiss anounced the new 600 series, with MPEG4 AVC support, WMV9, Nero SD and HD. See you on next May ! :cool:

[acidsex]

Imnot going to hold my breath here in the states. We still havent got ND ASP players. :o

[ac-chan123]

MPEG4 Part2 Advanced simple Profile(ASP) != MPEG4 Part10 Advanced Video Codec (AVC or better ITU-T H.264(old name H.26L))

[bond]

Originally posted by G-Slide
Good News ! Kiss anounced the new 600 series, with MPEG4 AVC support, WMV9, Nero SD and HD. See you on next May ! :cool: link?

[SeeMoreDigital]

There's nothing about proposed Mpeg4/AVC players anywhere on their web site!


Cheers

[guada 2]

Maybe it is a joke.
Nowadays anything is surprising.

[len0x]

I think the link is: http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=news90&v=users
Lots of usual BS and nothing more... Sigma 8620 can't decode AVC anyway.

[SeeMoreDigital]

It could be that KISS are now intending to use Sigma's SMP8630 Series (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/products/selection_guide.htm) chip-set.

According to Keith Jack of Sigma.... Good news is that the SMP8630 is pin-compatible with the EM8620L.

Bad news (for hacking) is that flash and DRAM memory can now be encrypted and digitally signed. Chip can even be programmed to erase all the keys if the lid of box is opened or the clock battery is detected to have been disconnected. A separate CPU handles all security and DRM functions and is firewalled off from the rest of the chip.

The SMP8634 further enables dual HD decode of MPEG-2, MPEG-4 ASP, VC-1 and H.264. Thus, a H.264 and a VC-1 stream can be decoded simultaneously. Dual audio DSPs enable each of the two streams to use a different audio codec.
Cheers

[len0x]

That's not what the press release said though.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by len0x
That's not what the press release said though. Yes you are correct. KISS does indeed mention H.264 support in their Dec 04 statement: -

http://i137.exs.cx/img137/8611/kissstatement8cs.gif

And even more confusingly, Sigma seem to suggest their current EM8620L chip-set can decode H.264 as well - Despite the fact they've been telling people otherwise: -

http://img216.exs.cx/img216/9298/sigmachipsetchart2az.gif


I think I had better contact Kieth Jack and as him to confirm the situation :(


Cheers

[G-Slide]

i'm french, and i read this news on a french website (serious) :

http://www.clubic.com/actualite-19112-nouvelles-platines-divx-signees-kiss-.html

[len0x]

Very weird:

will support MPEG4 H.264/AVC as well as the formats DivX (Pro), Xvid, Nero-DIGITAL SD and HD and the WMV9 (not WMV HD).


How come it doesn't support WMV HD(i.e. VC-1), but it supports MPEG4 H.264/AVC??? (if chip is able to decode them both)

Anyway, it looks like KISS yearly reannounces its players these days. Have a look at the archives: http://www.kiss-technology.com/?p=news84&v=users (a year ago).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by len0x
Very weird Agreed :eek:

Me thinks this is a classic case of "the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing"...

Anyway, I've sent Keith Jack a PM (via the AVS Forum), hopefully he will get back to me.


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by len0x
How come it doesn't support WMV HD(i.e. VC-1), but it supports MPEG4 H.264/AVC??? (if chip is able to decode them both)well supporting "avc/h.264" doesnt mean much, this could also refer to the baseline profile, which might very well be easier decodeable than vc-1 HD (also as vc-1 is widely a copy/pasted avc)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Keith Jack from Sigma has been kind enough to clarify the current Mpeg4/AVC (and VC-1) situation: -
RE: Sigma's chip-sets and Mpeg4/AVC (H.264)

The EM8620L does not support VC-1 and H.264.

The EM8622L and EM8624L chips are new versions that do support it. EM8622L is pin compatible with EM8620L to enable manufacturers to quickly shift to the new chip.

Keith Jack
Sigma DesignsSo there we go ;)


Cheers

[musicnyman]

so looke like release date for US is about june 2005 for kiss dp-600 right? any other players using this new sigma chip yet that might come out earlier?

[temporance]

Originally quoted by SeeMoreDigital
The EM8622L and EM8624L chips are new versions that do support it. EM8622L is pin compatible with EM8620L to enable manufacturers to quickly shift to the new chip.Interesting.

This seems a little suspicious to me. H.264 decoding not only requires more horsepower or raw MIPs but it also needs more memory (RAM) and more memory bandwidth (faster RAM or wider bus).

I wonder if player motherboards designed for ASP and MPEG-2 are going to be able to accomodate more RAM with a faster clock. Or perhaps we are talking about a cut down H.264 - baseline profile with restricted number of reference frames?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by temporance
Interesting.

This seems a little suspicious to me. H.264 decoding not only requires more horsepower or raw MIPs but it also needs more memory (RAM) and more memory bandwidth (faster RAM or wider bus).

I wonder if player motherboards designed for ASP and MPEG-2 are going to be able to accommodate more RAM with a faster clock. Or perhaps we are talking about a cut down H.264 - baseline profile with restricted number of reference frames? Hey... don't shoot the messenger ;)

Actually, Sigma have their own development kits, specially constructed for their chip-sets, that stand-alone player manufacturers can build themselves or modify... under-licence. And given that memory is pretty cheap and constantly improving in speed/performance (much like the chip-sets) I'm sure everything will work!

I certainly hope so because here's what Keith Jack has said about the companies SMP863x range of chip-sets: - Good news is that the SMP8630 is pin-compatible with the EM8620L.

Bad news (for hacking) is that flash and DRAM memory can now be encrypted and digitally signed. Chip can even be programmed to erase all the keys if the lid of box is opened or the clock battery is detected to have been disconnected. A separate CPU handles all security and DRM functions and is firewalled off from the rest of the chip.

The SMP8634 further enables dual HD decode of MPEG-2, MPEG-4 ASP, VC-1 and H.264. Thus, a H.264 and a VC-1 stream can be decoded simultaneously. Dual audio DSPs enable each of the two streams to use a different audio codec. Wow... Dual HD decoding of MPEG-2, MPEG-4 ASP, VC-1 and H.264... imagine that :D


Cheers

[video]

Originally posted by G-Slide
i'm french, and i read this news on a french website (serious) :

http://www.clubic.com/actualite-19112-nouvelles-platines-divx-signees-kiss-.html
cheers:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clubic.com%2Factualite-19112-nouvelles-platines-divx-signees-kiss-.html&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools :sly: