help testing mpeg2 multichannel compatibility

[Doom9]

There you go: a first link for an audio-only mpeg2 multichannel testfile. Add a video stream to it, make sure the bitrate doesn't go beyond SVCD limits, burn, test in your player and report the results here.

http://www.mondoria.de/editing/mpeg/doom9/mc.mpa
http://www.saunalahti.fi/pace/mc.mpa
http://www.celsworth.demon.co.uk/mc.mpa
ftp://ftp.comshare.com/pub/incoming/hidden/e7qb5n29/mc.mpeg
http://www.thesaguaros.com/guests/doom9/mc.mpa
http://lusodivx.com.sapo.pt/mc.mpa
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/xavier.dugast/mc.mpa

[macdaddy]

Downloading now, and crossing my fingers...

Thanks.

[Divine]

Works perfect at Cyberhome 5xx series so far.
I think it will work at the older one too.

I also have a Pioneer dv535, will try to test it on that one later :)

Btw. what programs can you use to make mpeg2 multichannel streams?
Only 1 atm, rempeg2 ?

[macdaddy]

My receiver shows prologic, and only R and L are lit, but sound comes from all speakers, and my receiver allows me to adjust them all-as if it were a 5.1 signal. Previously, with SVCD, I would only get sound from L,R,C,S and never the surrounds...

I would love to know how to do this; I hope this helps...

btw, what is the audio from?

[shahmat]

...great sounds from L/R and sub (can't tell with the center channel, speaker's screwed up) but there's nothing coming out of the rear left and right channels. However, Nero did tell me that it only detected a 2 channel audio stream - could Nero be clipping the rear channels out of the 5.1?

Shah Mat
Lord of the Land Of COnfusion (LOCO)

***EDIT***

I doubt you were wondering, but I accidentally encoded my test SVCD video stream at 720X480, and even though Nero didn't like it, it let me burn it. However, my DV-525 didn't complain. So note to those people with a Pioneer DVD player: if you're watching SVCDs on it, you probably don't even need to resize your picture from the DVD rip.

[Absimilliard]

I pushed it through the DTT5500 and sounds very good.
I recoded it to an ac3 and the result is missing some high pitches on the left channel but basicly good results.

[Migsan76]

One more link to download hosting by www.lusodivx.de.vu

www.lusodivx.com.sapo.pt\mc.mpa

[Taric25]

If you guys/gals are wondering what program to use, I can assist to get max. compatibility.

Mux with I-author and burn the image file. If you don't have EZCD Creator, open the cif in ISOBuster (Batman!:cool: ) and save it as an ISO to use with practically any burning program. :D

[charlesky]

Ok, I muxed in a few mins of video for SVCD and played it (Nero complained about the audio track, but it played fine in my Euro Toshiba SD210). My amplifier (a Yamaha 3090 hooked up with a digital link to my DVD player) showed Pro Logic decoding. I got audio out of both the rear speakers and the centre speaker.

Ummmm...

Sorry, but this tells me nothing. The Yamaha 3090 is one of the earliest 6-channel decoder/amps that were made. It certainly doesn't decode MPEG2 5.1 audio. I think it's pretty clear that it was seeing a 2-channel input and extracting enough sum and difference signals to feed to the centre and surround speakers.

Doom, if you really want to test MPEG2 5.1 decoding, you need to find a track with separate R surround/L surround elements, otherwise ordinary prologic decoding will sound the same.

[macdaddy]

I expected a larger response...

The file is actually 2-channels, right? The only thing Nero complains about is that the file is 48KHz. For those receiving similar messages, simply opt to turn off compliance and continue...

Reading some of the posts above, I am wondering if I might have done something wrong in the muxing. You are not talking about 6 discreet audio streams, are you? I simply loaded the file into bbMPEG as the 1st audio stream, used a video clip (to which I had already applied pulldown) as the video source, set beginning time to 5 sec/end time to 210 sec, and muxed away...

Is there a way we are supposed to be muxing 6 audio streams (for the 5.1 channels), or are we putting everything into 2 streams? If the latter is the case, how does this differ from using headache->(ssrc)->toolame? They both are prologic, 2 channel streams...

Thanks, in advance, for the help with my questions.

[Newacey]

First Of all I like to thank doom9 for what he did, so that we can finally test mpeg2 multichannel Compatibility.

To Answer a few Question in this Forum:

I have a Philips DVD 762 and the file works perfectly with my DVD-Player.

The Left an Right Surround Channels are different, e.g. when there's all that shooting going on, you can cleary distinguish between left and right surround.
( There's also another way how you can check whether the left and right surrounds are different. Trans-Code just any AC-3 (5.1) stream you want with ReMpeg to an Mpeg2-Stream. ReMpeg has a small bug, so the right surround channel will not be encoded properly. If you test this file now on your DVD-player only one Surround Channel should work. If this is the case you know, that l and r surround are different.
I'm also having a testfile, where every channel is tested separately, but this one has the above bug. I'll try to find the URL, so other people can test this one as well. )

A lot of a programs say this file is 2-ch only but it IS 6-CH, so just ignore this message.

Everybody who has an internal AC-3 decoder (bulit-in the DVD-Player)should also check this one, since the probability that this one plays the stream correctly should be higher.

[Newacey]

I found the URL of the other multichannel-testfile (see my post above).
Please note that this file is not 100% mc-conform, but it's still worth a try.

http://www.stud.uni-siegen.de/sven.koelsch/mpeg2mc/files/mc-test-6ch.mpa

[twitch]

First off I'm a sorta new user, I've been lurking for a few months but never registered. So I'd like to start off by saying a big thanks to Doom9 and all the forum moderators for the huge wealth of information that this site and forums offer.

I burned the test file with a few minutes of video and in nero I got the non-compliance nag which I ignored. On my Apex 500 it played (as svcd's usually do) out both the l/r/c and the surround speakers. I believe the surround speakers were both playing the same track though as the receiver did not kick into Dolby Digital mode (it just stayed in pro logic).

I didn't listen too far in, I just now read that at some point gunfire makes it easy to distinguish between all the speakers. But I got to thinking, wouldn't the easiest thing to do is make an audio track from a bunch of wav files with a voice saying 'This is the right speaker', 'This is the right surround speaker' etc. That way it would be easy to tell what speakers are on at what times.

Just a thought.

T

[macdaddy]

and I promise I will test it out...

[Doom9]

twitch.. excellent idea. I once had such an AC3 testfile but I don't recall where it's from... anybody has such a file? It's certainly on soundcheck DVDs... all we need to do is to convert it to a real mp2 multichannel file.. that would indeed make the tests more useful

[Divine]

Nice one,
I remember i have such a file on one of my dvds.
It plays all channels seperately. (you hear a voice or music)

I will contact you on irc doom9, so i can send it.

[Doom9]

okay... anybody good at converting ac3 to mp2 mc? Perferably using the linux tools there are so that we get a true specs compliant file. Also.. if you could add a dummy video track to it so that it just can be burned.. would be great. pm/email me and you can get the file..

[DanniDin]

I Don't Know if this is What You Need But Here is a SurroundTest.ac3 I Downloaded Long Time Ago from Oleg's.

Danni.

[Taric25]

I just started with a little thread on this forum and all of a sudden, my thread is in the news! (Thanks Doom9!)

You have a good idea, Twitch, except for the fact that not everyone speaks English. You wouldn't believe how many people copy the text and translate it using Babelfish (http://world.altavista.com/) into their own language and don't know how to pronounce or understand spoken English. It would have to be more of a universal thing. Anyone up to encoding those THX tests from their DVDs and uploading them here?

And you. Yes, you, the person reading this post, but not contributing to it. Download the file and test with it so you can contriute to this thread. Confused? This might help (http://rilanparty.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1782).

[tintin1001]

Tested on a SCOTT DVD 838 and a Panasonic R-71
The Scott plays SVCD without any problem the Panaonic Stutters but plays VCD in amzaing quality.. now to the Sound:

Nothing, both players decode the stream before they send them to my Reciever (handles MPEG AC-3 and DTS).

I get a PCM Stream @ 48 Khz instead of a mpeg stream.

Oh well :-(

[Newacey]

Try to change the settings of your dvd Player.

I'm pretty sure, that there is a menu were you can specify, whether you want to have PCM output or Mpeg-2 Output.

[tintin1001]

That is done of course :-)

[Newacey]

I just transcoded the SurroundTest.ac3 to a Mpeg2-Mc. I deleted the LFE-Channel, so ReMpeg doesn't produce a buggy stream. I played it with PowerDVD and it seem to be OK (both surrounds seem to be present). I'll test the stream on my player later.
For all of you who don't want to wait, here's the file, but the file might not be 100% mpeg2-mc compliant.

[Boost]

If you want good multichannel AC3s extract them from most THX titles with their Opti-Mode. It's just noise but still...

If you don't mind listening to swedish you could download some 5.1 mixed radio-shows (really funny if you know swedish) from national swedish radio at
http://www.sr.se/multikanal/english/e_index.htm
(AC3 + DTS is available)

[Newacey]

Well I just tested the mpeg-2 stream i attached to my post above and it's working.
It seem that if you delete the LFE channel in an AC-3 stream, ReMpeg can encode a mpeg2-mc file properly.

[charlesky]

Hmmm

I tried muxing the new file (mpeg-mc50.mp2) with some video, burnt it and I got no audio at all.

Did I make an error in the mux/encode process? I don't think so, but it might be better if those wanting to do this test provided a pre-muxed MPEG file that contained audio elements that would clearly indicate if they were hearing split R/L surround (bullet sounds don't really count, you need separate surround tracks that will make this totally clear).

My SVCD playback system is Toshiba SD210e->Yamaha 3090 via digital link. If my amp can play MPEG2 surround I'll be VERY surprised!!

[Newacey]

Since the file hasn't been normalized it is really quiet, so try doing it again. Have you ever tried playing a normal SVCD with only 2 channels. Also check that the Digital Out is not turned of for mpeg-2 (have a look in the dvdplayer-menu).
This file tests all channels (exept the lfe) separately.

[Nea]

if you want the thx, dts, and dolby digital trailes you could go to
this link below.
they are in .vob and it says that they are dolby digital 5.1 audio.

don't know if this would help you in anyway but i think i saw someone asking for thoose trailers in this tread.

anyway thanks for all the superb info on this site. keep up the good work

link -> http://www.moviesite.nl <- and click your way to downloads..

i hope by posting this link wouldn't bring any trouble, but i couldn't see why it should ..

/nea

[frank]

Here a short test file with voice telling the channel.
Part of my PAL Test SVCD.

mc50test.zip 139kb (http://rilanparty.com/vbb/attachment.php?s=&attachmentid=92)

Regards
frank

[frank]

And here the soundtrack from thx trailer.
Part of my Test SVCD.
mpeg-2 multi-channel audio
5.0ch
320kbps
44.1kHz

thx50.zip 942kb (http://rilanparty.com/vbb/attachment.php?s=&attachmentid=93)

[Newacey]

Could You please write a short post, how you created those streams.
Which programs you used, etc.

[Movieslut]

Just jumping into this thread as I am looking into the same stuff. Everything sounds very interesting and promissing, but how does one extract the ac3 stream from a divx? I have some here and like to convert them into svcd's. I've checked the Audio Tools section on Doom9, but none found. Only the AviAC3split file, which is sometng different (as far as I could figure it out without any dox included). Furthermore, I remember stumbling into some site where was explained how to encode 5.1 mpeg2. Anyone knows the url? What tools are you guys using for encoding 5.1 mp2??

Thanks so far :D

[ChristianHJW]

To extract an AC3 from a DivX AVI :

Use Nandub RC2 ( based on Vdub ) and goto 'audio' , set 'Direct Stream Copy' . Goto 'files' , 'save as WAV' . Rename sound.wav to sound.ac3 . That's it.

[Movieslut]

Can this be done using Vdub as well?

[macdaddy]

If I am not mistaken, nandub works with .ac3, vanilla virtualdub does not...

Back on-topic...

How are people encoding the audio? I am curious. I use headac3he-ssrc-toolame. Since I use dvd2avi as the demuxer/video decoder, I also use this program to compensate the delay, if one exists, before resampling. I cannot tell any difference between the audio I produce and the audio sample doom9 posts @ the top of this thread. Both are read as prologic by my amplifier (not 5.1), yet all 6 speakers output positional audio.

I would like to start getting dirty with some testing, if an alternate method produces superior results...

[frank]

The test audio tracks are MPEG-2 multi-channel tracks (5.0).

Sorry, most DVD players decode MPEG-1 (2 ch stereo). MPEG-2 audio is MPEG-1 compliant and so dvd players mix the rear channels into L, R. You don't hear any difference.
Only this:
There is no dolby surround downmix as AC3 decoders do - the rear channels will be silent. (See mc50test.zip - posted above)

We know that SVCD specs include mpeg-2 multi-channel audio.
But most players don't play mpeg-2 audio from SVCD.
As far as I know only Philips dvd players 6xx 7xx can play self-made multi-channel SVCDs properly.

Back to the topic:
Which players can play MPEG-2 multi-channel audio from SVCD?

[Newacey]

I can asure you that the new philips dvd-player can do mpeg2-mc, see my posts above.
But unfortunately there is so little software availible to encode (quite complex), so it's still too difficlut to do it for every movie I rip.

[Movieslut]

But you had it working? If so, what s/w did you use and how did you do it?

[Movieslut]

Guys, check THIS (http://www.stud.uni-siegen.de/sven.koelsch/mpeg2mc/) out...looks promissing. I dont have a dts decoder (yet!), so lemme know if it is any good. Will try my part in figuring it out, but cannot test the actual channels...

[Movieslut]

Attached a proper Multi-Channel test Mpeg-2!

[macdaddy]

Frank,

You wrote, "The test audio tracks are MPEG-2 multi-channel tracks (5.0)." Presumably this means that there are 5 discreet audio channels. When I play the file back on my standalone equipment, the only signals that show are L-main and R-main. The receiver auto-detects prologic, and sound comes from all 5 speakers, as expected.

1. Are the 5 discreet channels somehow stored in only the left and right mpeg-2 channels?

2. If there are 5 channels of audio, why do they not show up in the receiver's auto-detect?

3. What are the quantifiable differences one would listen for when determining the differences between a prologic and 5.1 sound signal (in a blind listening environment)?

Please, these questions are asked of any members out there who might know the answers (and are interested in this discussion), not just of Frank. But it was Frank's response to a previous post that I was dove-tailing on...

Thanks to all, in advance.

[frank]

MacDaddy, first let us know what equipment you used.

You have to mux the tracks and create a SVCD.
Be sure my tracks are tested and ok. Tested on Philips 6x/7x dvd players.
ATTENTION: Philips dvd players are BS for SVCD! No time display, no search function, no fast forward/backward, no animated menus working, zoom doesn't work at all.
And no mp3 digital out, too expensive. Wow. Let's things make better...

1. The 5 discrete MPEG-2 audio channels are separate. The player's built-in MPEG-1 decoder is MPEG-2 compatible and performes the downmix to stereo!

2. Switch the player's audio out to RAW mode for digital out.
But most dvd players assume MPEG-1 only on SVCD!

3. Pro Logic (Dolby Surround) is 3/1, and MPEG-2 mc is real 3/2 +1 like DD5.1.

I think the built-in MPEG-1 decoder of your player sends a (downmixed) stereo signal only, and so the receiver recogniced 2 channels. Surround mode you can switch on/off manually.
Have you tested with my file of channel speaking voice?

The test tracks are created with ReMPEG2 from converted AC3 5.0.
The way in short:
AC3 5.1 -> AZID GUI -> 5 WAVs -> Softencode ->AC3 5.0 -> ReMPEG2

[macdaddy]

I posted my player in one of the first posts of this thread; Tredex makes only one model (and you can find them @ Fry's for around $100, or buy them direct for around $200). They play .mp3 from CD-R, too. Having said all that, using a standard NTSC television set, my dxr3 has superior DVD playback (although this is true with all of the standalone DVD players I have tested)...

I used bbMPEG to mux doom9's audio (first post) and a video clip I had already made (that is SVCD compliant). However I am unable to tell a difference between that clip and the stuff I do(headac3he->ssrc->toolame). They both seem to be prologic (I know my stuff is), which is why I asked about discernable sound differences between the two formats...


I will do the following this afternoon (when I get home from work):

1-do the same procedure with your voice file; I meant to get to that already, but with the holidays-I hosted (read "cooked the bird") during Thursday's festivities for 20 people-I ran out of time.

2-try to manually set the receiver to 5.1 with the two test files...

3-try playing the files back via dxr3 (creative software); Maybe that player will handle the multi-channel file...

I think you hit the nail on the head by pointing out that my Tredex standalone is down-mixing automatically. Hopefully the dxr3 will prove/disprove this...

[eclipsedvd]

Hi everybody,

i have made a svcd mpeg mc cd test.
The audio track is fully MPEG Audio Multichannel.

If someone could test this cd and send me feedback about this it would be great.
thanks in advance

You can find the archives here:
http://www.eclipsedvd.fr.st

http://edvd01.free.fr/MPEG-MC/SVCD-MC.RAR 3.0Mo
http://edvd01.free.fr/MPEG-MC/SVCD-MC.R00 2.0Mo
http://edvd01.free.fr/MPEG-MC/SVCD-MC.CUE (CUE fix)

send feedback at eclipsevideo@caramail.com or in this thread.


thanks in advance
ECLiPSE

[frank]

The image is not SVCD compliant!!
With PBC=on no playing, only the menu is shown.
(DENVER 122, SUPERVISION 1100)
Without PBC the disk plays the sound, but only 3/0.

There is no sequence item, only 3 segment items.
That's why a PHILIPS player crashes completely.

I have demuxed the soundtrack and analyzed.
Sorry, the soundtrack is shown as 5.1 MPEG multichannel track on my digital Pioneer decoder, but the rears are silent!!
Rear channels are set on front left and right side.
Subwoofer seems to be ok, but the speaking voice comes from the left.

BTW: The menu is too big. You must have 15% overscan area to see all information on televison screens.

Download mc50test.zip from my posting above. This is a working mc-track but 5.0 only.

[eclipsedvd]

I know that, but it's an I-Author image.

This audio track is normally 100% compliant MPEG 5.1.
I wanted to know if the output was on 5 discretes channels.

[frank]

Yes, your sound track is 5.1 mc, but the rear channels have no information. They are encoded to the left and right.
I'm very sure because the PHILIPS 762 (and only PHILIPS players) is able to output MPEG-2 mc audio on digital port (real raw mode).
My PIONEER receiver indicates MPEG-2 5.1 mc with your test track but the rear channels are silent.

All other DVD players I tested make a MPEG-1 compatible downmix from the MPEG-2 mc audio on SVCD.
And very interesting: This sounds much worse than a good 2/0 dolby surround downmix by DVD2AVI!

I'm going to look for a nice DVD player what can play miniDVD at 480x576.
Then you can use 5.1 AC-3 soundtracks - game over.

Greetings from Germany
frank

[eclipsedvd]

I think, it comes from the psycho model used for the encoding.
I could make an another file (audio only).

thanks frank.

[fireball]

I wanted to try multichannel audio with my player, but I'm not able to create a running image :(. Using I-Author, I get an incomplete image wich cannot be burnt by Easy CD Creator 5 Platinum.

Could somebody please post a running (and SVCD compliant) image or alternatively an URL to one?

I need an image for one of these progs...
-Fireburner
-EasyCDCreator 5
-WinOnCD5
-Nero5.5
-NTI CD Maker 2000 Prof.

Thank you.

[Quiddity]

So...that's it?

Did everyone just give up?

Does ANYONE have (or know where to download) an SVCD 5.1 audio test file that I can just burn straight to disc to check my player's compatability?

Please.

[Quiddity]

I know this is just speculation until I get my hands on a test file, but supposing my player CAN do this, do my player's settings look okay?

Audio Tab Options (Pioneer DV-434) (* indicates my settings)
----------------------------------

Dolby Digital Out

* Dolby Digital
Dolby Digital > PCM

DTS Out

Off
* DTS

96Khz PCM Out

96Khz > 48Khz
* 96Khz

MPEG Out

* MPEG
MPEG > PCM

Digital Out

* On
Off

-----------------------------------

Thanks in advance for ANY reply...

[frank]

Download the 5.0 test file from my posting in this thread and test.

Your player must be able to output in MPEG RAW mode. Then via digital link an external MPEG-2 audio decoder can decode the mc tracks.

With BeSweet you can convert tracks into 5.1 mc audio wav.
Then encode with the free Philips encoder PubEnc.exe to 5.1 mp2.

This method is known for a while. Use the search function.

[DSPguru]

Originally posted by frank
With BeSweet you can convert tracks into 5.1 mc audio wav. 5.1 aiff ;)

[Quiddity]

I know perfectly well what my player is SUPPOSED to do.:D
Since I cannot find a LIST of compatible players ANYWHERE in these forums or anywhere on the net for that matter, I thought the next step would be to find a test file.

The insinuation that I haven't been using the search function is extremely frustrating as I have been searching for about the past 72 hours and have been able to find nothing. I'm going BLIND from searching, so please excuse the attitude. Your method may have been known for awhile, but it's not a "method" that I'm looking for.:rolleyes:

I have found links to test files all over the place, test files that require nothing more than burning to a disc (I mean, complete with dummy video...everything...no muxing, no encoding, no bs), but ALL of these links are dead. Since these files existed at some point, I just can't believe that I can't find one...

Also, I don't want a 5.0 test file, I want 5.1. (Too anal, I guess, but I need to hear a test signal coming from my subwoofer).

So...
My Pink Floyd: The Wall dvd has an excellent 5.1 calibration option in it's menu, with DISTINCT channel separation (no bullets, no left surround coming out of other speakers because of bugs). My question is: can I make a test SVCD with video and mc5.1 out of this? If so, how? I need specifics. Not a newbie, just not an expert either. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I will post the file after it's creation so that other non-experts can easily test their players as well, without having to create their own file. Or can someone make this file and post it?

Now, the rumors all over the net about which players can do this (mc5.1) do NOT just mention Philips, but also Pioneer, Apex, and Samsung.
The reason that I posted an approximation of what my player's audio menu looks like (and what my current settings are) is that the manual does not adequately explain some of the functions (such as being able to choose MPEG or MPEG>PCM). To me, it seems like my player can export MPEG RAW, but maybe I'm just hoping... Having an MPEG OUT option at all gives me hope.

Also, If I'm just completely full of BS about all of this, would someone please point me in the right direction? :confused:

[fireball]

[Tokafondo]

Greetings from Canary Islands.

In http://www.licensing.philips.com/ordering/soft/documents343.html you will find a lot of both mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 mc test streams, fyi.

[oddball]

I have a BIG problem trying to get this to work. I have I-Authot 1.0 Deluxe. I make the SVCD image and save it as a .CIF file. But that's as far as I get. None of the image file handlers/convertors will do anything with it. Open it in ISObuster 1.0 and you can read it but not do anything else. No options are available to convert it, extract or anything? CDMage won't open it full stop nor will WinISO 5.3

Any ideas?

I am NOT installing EZCD on my system. Thanks.

[hitch]

I have similar problems using I-Author when creating CIFs and trying to convert to CDMage. I-Author is very picky about the type of source files you give it and the bitrate used. However in my case, I'm sure the problem is how I'm using it, but it's not really worth the frustration of messing with .cif files when you don't have to.

Try muxing with I-Author but select PS instead of MPS near the bottom. This creates 3 files, one of which has a .ps extension (Program Stream) which is bascially a mpeg file. Rename it to a .mpg file and you can then use your favorite proggie to create an image and burn to disk. Works for me.

good luck

[oddball]

That works but Nero won't accept it when I drag it over in SVCD mode. It gives an error in SVCDoc something or other.

[oddball]

Hmm. Well I tried muxing with TMPGenc latest and it created a file that Nero would burn with compliance off. Tried with a Toshiba SD-210E and no sound in DD mode. Oh well.

[hitch]

Nero has problems with this king of stuff. However you shld use the seraach buttom and read the Q&A where you will find all teh answers to how to successfully burn an SVCD to avoid all problems. I recommedn the Daemon Tools method as it's never faled me.

Good luck

[oddball]

Erm...this does not help. Daemon tools is a virtual cdrom util. I read the thread about how to use it to copy SVCD from a .cue/bin file etc. But the problem is in creating the SVCD image in the 1st place. If you mux the MC MPEG2 audio file and a SVCD. Where do you put it to make it a SVCD compliant image? Nero has SVCD import and create an image and then burns it. What other tools are available? I-Author gives me a .CIF image but nothing I have found will convert the resulting file. I tried burning it with EasyCD 5.1 (I installed it out of desperation) and it did not complain when burning the image. But when I tried to access the disc in the re-writer I had just burned it in it could not access the disc.

So my problem remains. How do I create an MC SVCD image and burn it to CD so that it does not get messed up (Which everyone says Nero does).

[oddball]

And when is someone going to make a 100% tested and working MC MPEG2 SVCD image file? The only one I have seen so far is the Eclipse dudes but they said it's not 100% (Not rear channels or something)? I also looked at the site with lots of test MPEG files at Philips but it confused me even more. I did not know which was which and the PDF file was no help whatsoever.

I agree with a previous poster. Someone post a *WORKING* .CUE/BIN of a test MC MPEG2 SVCD so we can all tell whether we are wasting our time pursuing this or not. I don't know why Doom9 didn't post that instead of just the audio file.

[hitch]

Try using VCDEasy to make the SVCD bin file instead of Nero. I believe there is a working SVCD file recently posted that should do the trick for you. Use the search button.

[oddball]

It's all well and fine to tell someone to use the search function but everyone is referring to it as MC SVCD and the search function does not allow less than a 3 letter search criteria so MC SVCD will not work. SVCD will result in tons of threads not related.

[frank]

Some times ago (november) I posted in this tread a MPEG-2 mc audio test file!
Download, mux with a picture and create a SVCD. That's all.
I use bbMPEG, TSCV 0.84, CDRAO.

The file was 5.0 but now we have BeSweet and that converts ac3 files into 5.1 aiff. After that you encode with Philips pub_enc.exe.