adding fs option to a ws dvd

[daprettiestdon]

hello all,

I've recently started using DVD Rebuilder and must say even though it takes a long time to rip 1 dvd, it is well worth it. Jdobbs and rockas have done an amazing job with this app.

I've been researchin like crazy this last week but couldn't find the answer to the question I had. I was wondering if there's a way to take a dvd that is a widescreen version and somehow author an option for fullscreen using dvd rebuilder so that after u burn it to a dvd5, you can choose whether u want to watch it in widescreen or fullscreen view? If u can't do this with dvd rebuilder, can anyone tell me what app can and how to do it?

thanks

[jptheripper]

this is not as easy question as it sounds. First, altough pan and scan information is withion dvd spec (i believe) it is rarely encoded into the ws films. So to get a fs version you normally have to hack, crop, ,or stretch the ws version. This alos means 2 titlesets on the dvd, essentially 4 hours of footage (read , bad quality).

dvdremake is a tool that will do what you want (add a titleset), as is any authoring tool if you dont mind losing the original menus.

[daprettiestdon]

Originally posted by jptheripper
this is not as easy question as it sounds. First, altough pan and scan information is withion dvd spec (i believe) it is rarely encoded into the ws films. So to get a fs version you normally have to hack, crop, ,or stretch the ws version. This alos means 2 titlesets on the dvd, essentially 4 hours of footage (read , bad quality).

dvdremake is a tool that will do what you want (add a titleset), as is any authoring tool if you dont mind losing the original menus.

so in other words...its not worth it...unless I don't care about image quality and lack of menus?

[jptheripper]

yeah

you will lose information by cropping, and usualyl you cant default just crop the sides (hence pan and scan)

[maksa]

If you use RB-OPt and add resizing in the Avisynth script, output of the WS movie after DVD_RB should be FS. Of course, loosing 1/6 on the both sides. If you use CCE with DVD-RB, I know that CCE could theoreticaly encode WS to FS but with some distortion in picture. Best thing would be to do cropping in Avisynth. That shouldn't be so difficult.
Of course, I'd recommend putting only one version of the film on DVD.

[daprettiestdon]

thanks for the feedback fellas,

looks like I'm gonna have to wait until someone comes up with some brilliant software that can do what I'm asking. Maybe jdobbs will be up to this task one day...lol...:D

[maksa]

It is called RB_Opt & AviSynth. Both are downloadable from doom9. Also lot of info on both packages. Needs some reading. If you want it badly, I could find some time to put Avisynth script for you, but I can not install software for you.

[daprettiestdon]

Originally posted by maksa
It is called RB_Opt & AviSynth. Both are downloadable from doom9. Also lot of info on both packages. Needs some reading. If you want it badly, I could find some time to put Avisynth script for you, but I can not install software for you.

I'd appreciate that a lot man...thanks. But I thought that if I did it, the quality on the video was going to decrease?

[maksa]

you will just loose sides of the picture. I wouldn't put it on the same DVD with WS movie, then it will be a bad quality.
Personally, I always keep WS movies, even if I have now 4:3 TV. Future is going towards 16:9 screen, so I'll buy one, maybe you too. Save some trouble, keep WS movie and many TVs and DVD palyers have Pan-scan option anyways.

[Plutox]

Originally posted by daprettiestdon
I was wondering if there's a way to take a dvd that is a widescreen version and somehow author an option for fullscreen using dvd rebuilder so that after u burn it to a dvd5, you can choose whether u want to watch it in widescreen or fullscreen view?

I doubt that this is actually possible unless the hardware in either your DVD player or the viewing screen offer this as an explicit possibility. You could always re-author to include both options, but that approach is clearly not entirely practical :)

While I can't offer the ability to choose whether you watch in full screen (16:9/1.77:1) OR widescreen (2.35:1), as I don't particulary like watching 2:35:1 on my 16:9 tube I have used the following technique to convert 2.35:1 EITHER to full height anamorphic (FHA) or a compromise conversion that entails black bars top and bottom that are half the height of those you see when watching 2.35:1. The advantages of the latter approach are that you loose less off the sides of the original image - and as it's a less vicious conversion, the quality is theoretically better.

I've placed the following in DVD RB's filter editor option:

# 2.35:1 to FHA pure
#SeparateFields().Lanczos4Resize(720,288,86,34,547,219).Weave()
# 2.35:1 to FHA compromise
#SeparateFields().Lanczos4Resize(720,288,40,16,640,256).Weave()

You remove the # to activate the conversion you want to use. CinePurists will surely scoff at this but I find it offers a better viewing experience on a 32" widescreen tube in a typical room than 2.35:1.

edited to improve the AVISYNTH script

[daprettiestdon]

Originally posted by Plutox
I doubt that this is actually possible unless the hardware in either your DVD player or the viewing screen offer this as an explicit possibility. You could always re-author to include both options, but that approach is clearly not entirely practical :)

While I can't offer the ability to choose whether you watch in full screen (16:9/1.77:1) OR widescreen (2.35:1), as I don't particulary like watching 2:35:1 on my 16:9 tube I have used the following technique to convert 2.35:1 EITHER to full height anamorphic (FHA) or a compromise conversion that entails black bars top and bottom that are half the height of those you see when watching 2.35:1. The advantages of the latter approach are that you loose less off the sides of the original image - and as it's a less vicious conversion, the quality is theoretically better.

I've placed the following in DVD RB's filter editor option:

# 2.35:1 to FHA pure
#Lanczos4Resize(720,576,86,69,547,438)
# 2.35:1 to FHA compromise
#Lanczos4Resize(720,576,40,32,640,512)

You remove the # to activate the conversion you want to use. CinePurists will surely scoff at this but I find it offers a better viewing experience on a 32" widescreen tube in a typical room than 2.35:1.

just to make sure...I have to enter all 4 lines into the filter editor and go about using dvd rebuilder as how I would normally use it right?

[Plutox]

Originally posted by daprettiestdon
just to make sure...I have to enter all 4 lines into the filter editor and go about using dvd rebuilder as how I would normally use it right?

You don't have to enter all four lines, as lines 1 & 3 are merely remarks to help humans! If you activate these lines by removing the # prefix you will surely have problems!

No, you activate EITHER line 1 OR line 3, the former if you want the full height anamorphic option and the latter if you want the less drastic 'compromise' conversion. Clearly, this choice should be made on a disc by disc basis. To deactivate the conversion completely, simply leave the # prefix in place in front of all four lines.

Subjectively, you may prefer the look offered by the LanczosResize conversion instead of Lanczos4Resize; the parameters are identical, it's your choice!