Help Save Star Trek Enterprise!!!!!

[tpol069]

There is an effort underway to save the cancelled enterprise series.
The goel is to come up with $36,- million to pay for season 5.

www.trekunited.com

Here's what they done sofar:

Welcome to Trek fans all over the world! This will be the first of many weekly briefings I will release- it will report on what we've done so far, what we're doing now and where we hope to go.

The show has been officially cancelled for just over two weeks; TrekUnited's forums have been live for only 9 days; and we have only been collecting the pledges for a little over three days. The scope of this campaign, the magnitude - nearly $30,000 dollars raised, global media coverage and increasing interest, and fans representing nations around the world - is an incredible feat in such a short space of time.

You will notice that we have installed and evolved the contributions system in a matter of days. I realise that in a campaign like this everyone wants to see results within hours- but we must prove to the world that this campaign is legitimate, honest, for real and here to stay. We are working as fast as we can to show that we are open and transparent about what we are doing and how we are doing it. Your continued suggestions are very welcome- the enormity of interest in this may keep us from answering emails or posts immediately in the case of those of us on the command team, but rest assured do know of them and value them very much. In the meantime, all general questions can be answered quickly via the FAQ or by e-mailing the response team at info@trekunited.com.

Media coverage is spreading- Tim Brazeal has been involved in a plethora of media interviews for newspapers, radio stations and other media over the last week. The LA Times ad drew huge attention to the campaign; Associated Press sent articles around the world. Over 4,000 CBS radio stations broadcast an interview with co-founder Tom yesterday (hopefully soon available online). High profile news agencies such as CNN and the BBC have had us prominently on their news sites; newspapers and stations worldwide continue to report on us.

I know in recent days there have been some down sides as well- StarTrek.com issued an article which made insinuations about the campaign, UPN officials made numerous comments saying they would never take Enterprise back, and many people have expressed doubt that we will reach $36 million in time despite our best efforts. Let me address all of these.

First, StarTrek.com have retracted the line in their article that suggested that we may be scamming people and have instead gone for the more neutral ground of stating that we are not connected to them and have no official backing. This is a massive stride as such suggestions were false, and we are pleased to see that the article has been put right.

Second, Star Trek is NEVER GOING BACK to UPN, and for this we are glad. It's been a marriage of convenience for too long- well, we're divorced now and we're out there to see who else we fancy. UPN refuse to buy us but Paramount will be persuaded to sell us. Who picks us up is not important- but we will make sure that someone does. Frequently shows are made by studios and shopped to a variety of networks and channels, so the fact that UPN has dropped us is a blessing. It means we can draw a line under an affair with a network that was never meant to be and only ever caused us problems.

Third, $30,000 as it now nearly stands is no small feat. We raised in over three days what it took the original SaveEnterprise campaigns weeks to raise. Of course, this is still a long way from $36 million.

But this is expectable- right now, the vast majority of our funding is coming from fans on the Internet- but the vast majority of our fans are NOT surfing on the Internet posting on bulletin boards. They're out there in the real world- out living their lives and watching Trek but not having the fortune of time that you and I have to come on to the Internet and discuss it. That is why EVERYONE needs to work hard to contact every fan they know, spread the word, make sure people hear loud and clear that Enterprise MUST come back for Season Five and beyond.

This is a war. And right now, we are facing the decision of a major corporation with a huge organisation and a big bank. Right now, we do not have their cash and we do not have their corporate power. But we have the will to do the impossible and the will and means to fight on every level.

That means spreading word. Using publicity to bring more people on board. Remembering that right now few people know, but news will travel exponentially, meaning that once people become aware, pledges will also rise exponentially. Media coverage is increasing all the time and as it comes more and more into the public consciousness, we will see more and more people jump on this bandwagon.

We will be looking for celebrities, corporate sponsors, media opportunities. People who can invest in the show as a good business deal. Philanthropists, promoters, fans. The rallies that are coming up on the 25th at 9am outside Paramount in LA and in Times Square, New York will generate a buzz of interest that will continue to elevate our fight not only on a monetary level but also on a publicity level.

This campaign may end long before we reach $36 million as the size of the cash, the public interest, the media coverage and the co-ordinated efforts of the fans gradually turn around Paramount's decision.

But what we need is the dedication and commitment of you all. Star Trek has taught us that the impossible can be done- that humanity can work together to overcome all kinds of seemingly insurmountable obstacles. Star Trek fans are prodigies of that ethos and value system- we are a people who have been shown a world of optimism, survival, and the ability to do anything we put our minds to.

And right now, that teacher needs all of its pupils. We must band together and fight to make sure another generation of children grows up and watches entertainment that doesn't kill the brain but challenges it. That makes us think on every level and stands out there as fantastic television providing hope in a world of shallow art and endless cynicism.

Rise above the rest. Forget what you're told can and can't be done. We can do this. The dedication I've seen already astounds me- that people around the world from disparate backgrounds and cultures are uniting together for a common cause, willing to give their time, money and emotion in one of the most ambitious campaigns of our time. That tells me that what we are fighting for is special, and we cannot let naysayer, critics or cynics stop us.

Ladies and gentleman around the world- to Season Five.

[Rascal]

get a life

[Joe Fenton]

He does - just not a very broad one. ;)

I like Star Trek - but not enough to bother with things like this. It's no skin off my nose. I've got other things which occupy my time more fully. ST is just a minor diversion from the normal flow of life, not my entire existence. If ST never makes another appearance in either TV or movies, something else will take its place just fine.

[KaiserS]

So if the rate of donations stay as they are at 30000/3days it'll only take a bit over 10.5 years to reach the goal. WOOO!

[shevegen]

I used to like Star Trek, but I begun to hate it with this female commander on the Enterprise, and now more recently with the pseudo-old ST before Kirk....

I miss Data and the others, may they rest in virtual peace.

[Neo Neko]

Star Trek is fine and all. I mean I liked it over the years. The original and TNG were pretty good. DS9 was marginal and rather longwinded. Voyager looked interesting but turned out to be like pulling teeth. Only fun if you are the one doing the pulling. Enterprise looked to be a unique opportunity and possible rebirth for the franchise. But the producers spent the first few seasons screwing around with rehashed story lines. And the cast. My GOD the cast! Scot Bacula? Shatner was bad. Bacula was worse. (Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahn!) Shatner constantly overacted and spoke in some weird stacato measure. But he was better than the sniveling wet dishrag of a character Bacula typically always plays. I mean puh-lease. I think Paul Rubens would have a better choice. ROMULANS? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! You said the secret word! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Turn on the main screen the king of cartoons is beaming over and cowboy curtis is here with his friend "neo". Something about being the one. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Enterprise RIP-2005 Better shows than you were canceled with less of a reason. To little to late.

Perhaps if they give startrek a rest maybe they could fund a good Farscape movie. That universe has not worn itself out yet.

[dragongodz]

Enterprise RIP-2005 Better shows than you were canceled with less of a reason. To little to late.
the writing was imporoving with season 3(we dont have season 4 yet on free to air tv) so it is a bit of a pity. as Neo Neko said though, better shows have also been cancelled. also some pretty crap shows just keep on going and going and going, especially dramas or comedies, long past the time they are dead(writing and acting wise that is).

Perhaps if they give startrek a rest maybe they could fund a good Farscape movie.
yep that would be good, or how about a Firefly movie even ? :D

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by dragongodz
the writing was imporoving with season 3(we dont have season 4 yet on free to air tv) so it is a bit of a pity. as Neo Neko said though, better shows have also been cancelled. also some pretty crap shows just keep on going and going and going, especially dramas or comedies, long past the time they are dead(writing and acting wise that is).


yep that would be good, or how about a Firefly movie even ? :D

I never saw much of firefly. But even that I would be open to. Startrek needs a rest.

[sysKin]

Has anyone counted how many times Archer saved the world, the Earth, the galaxy, the sector or some planet? Prevented (let me think) Earth-Klingon war, Andorian-Vulcan war (twice), Temporal war (twice), Earth-Xindi war, Vulcan civil war, Andorian-Tellarite war... this is sick.

I never liked any Startrek series, but I started watching Enterprise and it was fine. It started good, then went worse, then had a really good season 3 and then this pathetic season 4. If there is no other way to stop Archer from saving the world again, let the series stop.

[Teegedeck]

Hm, I guess opinions differ widely when it comes to the Star Trek series. For example, unlike sysKin, I think season 3 of Enterprise was inferior.

Star Trek always was very mixed quality, but we just haven't got anything better and broader in SF. The virtual Star Trek universe in itself is very compelling, just its 'implementations' were sometimes, well...

(Mmmm. Could this be an opportunity for a lengthy rant on how good DS9 was? I want it, I want it! :D)

The original Star Trek series was not really earnest SF, but it was fun to watch.

STNG benefitted from SF-fans' benevolence at the long-awaited return of Star Trek and from a great leading actor. Though it was very dull over long periods, there were highlights, there was time to expand the 'universe' and storylines, and some of the characters grew complex and indearing over time.

DS9 began as an odd spin-off that I really didn't like, by design heavy on the portrayal of family-life and with a static set/location. At first. But very surprisingly, DS9 just seemd to receive better sripts than STNG, taking off with season three. The conflict on the great scale, as well as the very humorous character portrayal cannot be compared to anything else before or after it in the Star Trek realm. Also remarkably, for the only time in Star Trek the place and culture that was at the center of things wasn't Earth but an alien planet that became the leading character's home of choice. Humanity wasn't the center of the universe in this one, but a people that seemed like a curious but fascinating mixture of Palestinians and Jews. Much of the series was about the relation between this 'chosen' people and their former military supressors, who had invaded and colonized the planet before being driven off. Were they all evil? Were all restance-fighters good? Later on it was asked 'is the _good_ Federation allowed to do anything in war in order to survive'? Indeed I followed every episode of that battle not to find out if (...) or how the good guys will win (like in the Xindi-season of Enterprise) but because in the development of that Federation's War the future shape of all the civilizations involved was at put into question.

The actors in DS9 were great without exception. The leading actor breathed life into his role (literally, because his fantastic voice played a big part in that). Every last supporting character was compelling portrayed and in itself believable. The female main characters were exceptionally strong (without being bombshells) and clever. If one of the subsequent Trek series had only one character as brilliantly laid out as the supporting characters in DS9, they would have been much more enjoyable. Granted, Robert Picardo carried Voyager all alone, but what is his character compared to that of a tailor, formerly head of a deadly secret service, who during dinner time tries to convert a blue-eyed doctor to his sinister world-view. Do you trust him enough to let him guard your back or will that cultivated man cut your throat when you turn around?

In short, this series was a pleasant surprise; its development going consistently upward from season 3 - until it got cancelled in the midst of the battle. I would have protested against that, if I even knew about it back then.

Voyager had the misfortune of bland acting. (But I liked the blond bombshell.) Characters were boring. Even the native-indian-background, supposedly ex-rogue 1st officer, Chakotay, was bland. It was like the Waltons with a female paterfamilias. :D Mom-And-Applepie. Robert Picardo as the hologram-doctor alone made it endurable to watch at time. Also, nothing that crew could do would change much in the rest of the Star Trek universe, so that took some thrill out of the storyline, too.

Now, Enterprise was unsymphatetic from its choice of opening-theme. Did they ever think that they would want to sell this one to a non-american audience? But putting that unlucky choice aside, it was a bit back to the original series' very physical approach: fist-fights with aliens, ignorant Vulcans etc. A little bit more of tongue-in-cheek wouldn't have been bad here. It was all a bit bland and flat, though the actors were much, much better on this one (except for Bakula - well, my girlfriend likes him), downright endearing (I like the brunette bombshell...). And there have been highlight episodes which reached an almost cinematic quality, like the Borg and Rura Penthe episodes. The whole Xindi-thing was much too bubblegum and unbelievable for my liking; a sudden threat to humanity (what else) to be stopped by one spaceship and its crew - like in those fatally-gone-awry Trek movies or like in a video-game. The best thing about this series, in my mind, is the return of the brilliant Jeffrey Combs as Shran, who played an intriguingly nauseating 'ambassador' and a hilarious Ferenghi in DS9.

Wrapping it up, I like any Trek series enough to watch it and I want one running always. But if Enterprise would make room for a different interpretation of the Star Trek universe, I'm all for it.

And go rent the DS9-DVDs from your local video store, people! :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

How about a StarTrek mini series with the Borg -v- Species 8472 (or what ever they were called). Whereby both enemies have adapted/over-come one another's weaknesses...

...Then, in comes Seven-of-Nine to save the day!

Big space ships, big baddies, big explosions, big special effect and big boobs has got to be a worth-while money spinner!


Cheers

[theReal]

I really like ST Enterprise for its technical quality (leave aside some of he actors...)
Somewhere in season 2 (I'm sorry I can't remember the episode) was a scene with 4 or 5 main actors coming from different directions into sick bay, about 15 supporting actors doing stuff in the background. The whole thing was solved with only two long sequences. The camera was in constant movement panning rapidly from one actor to the other - you need a good director and very good camera personel to shoot a scene like that.
This is, from a technical standpoint, high above the niveau of a weekly show, it's big cinema. That and the mostly good stories made me watch every ST Enterprise episode so far.

But when it's over, it's over... Something else will fill the place of STE :rolleyes:

[tpol069]

Thats just it, it is not over. There is still a chance for season 5, if not true the fan donations,then true Scifi channel.
This is not for sure ofcourse, but still its a chance.

No you have, yes you can get.

[markrb]

Of all of the Star Trek Series I enjoyed DS9 the best. It had the best acting talent and a different look at the Star Trek Universe. It was the first show in the line that wasn't set in a perfect world. Everyone had their faults, even Cisco.

In every series I have had problems with parts of it. DS9 was forced to speed up the story line by being cancled to warp speed and it would have been nice to see if they had more time how they could have fleshed it out more. I really hated the end with Cisco becoming an alien.

With Enterprise, for the most part, I enjoyed the first season.
It started getting silly with the temporal war, it showed some promise with the Xindi, but it could have been so much better.
This season seems the most energized and I like the mini-series feel to the show now, having about 3 shows to a single story line.

My biggest issue with the Star Trek universe is how so contradicory it is and their lame excuses, sometimes, to explain it.
For instance:

1. According to STNG the first time they ever saw a Ferengi was in Season 1, but Enterprise was taken over by them years earlier.

2. According to STNG they never met a Trill before, but how was one an officer in Star Fleet in DS9? Even if they were a few years apart you must complete Academy training before becoming an officer. Also Cisco knew the Trill for years and years.

Anyway it just bothers me that these people can be so high and mighty and then treat the fans as if they can forgive their mistakes in the sake of ratings.

In the end I hope Enterprise continues, but seeing as how UPN that is owned by Paramount cancled it I can't see much hope.

BTW they are in Pre-production for the Firefly movie now.

There is a show that cost less to make and had the same numbers as Enterprise on a much worse night for it's target audience that got cancled. I really think Fox lost a gem with that show.

Mark

[dragongodz]

Hm, I guess opinions differ widely when it comes to the Star Trek series.
very true. for example i didnt mind the first couple of seasons of DS9 but then thought it went down hill. :)

DS9 was forced to speed up the story line by being cancled to warp speed and it would have been nice to see if they had more time how they could have fleshed it out more.
sorry thats not true. it was always only going to be 7 seasons. that was the plan for all of them. you will note TNG, DS9 and Voyager are all exactly 7 seasons.

Thats just it, it is not over. There is still a chance for season 5, if not true the fan donations,then true Scifi channel.
dont hold your breathe for the sci-fi channel. THEY didnt bring back Farscape(the mini series). Henson and co did all the work getting that made and sci-fi just agreed to show it in the end as if they were behind it the whole time.

BTW they are in Pre-production for the Firefly movie now.
excellent. there was some story threads starting to get interesting in the last few episodes. hopefully they will pick these up and flesh them out. :)

[Joe Fenton]

Originally posted by markrb
Of all of the Star Trek Series I enjoyed DS9 the best. It had the best acting talent and a different look at the Star Trek Universe. It was the first show in the line that wasn't set in a perfect world. Everyone had their faults, even Cisco.

That's a drinking game: every time someone says "humanity has evolved," take a drink. Every time someone says "humanity is no longer a savage child-race," take two drinks. :D

[markrb]

sorry thats not true. it was always only going to be 7 seasons. that was the plan for all of them. you will note TNG, DS9 and Voyager are all exactly 7 seasons.
I do believe that it was coincidence that they most died at 7. Officially STNG, DS9 and Voyager were cancled or not picked up for another season.

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/S/htmlS/startrek/startrek.htm

Despite the show's continuing success, Paramount canceled Star Trek: The Next Generation after seven seasons to turn the series into a film property and make room for new television spin-offs

Officially canceled, but to go to movies in the case of TNG.

About DS9:
The now-cancelled TV series did a good job of utilizing its diverse ensemble to confront challenges

Maybe they were meant to be cancelled, but they still use the word and if you were a fan you could feel how rushed that last season of DS9 was.

Mark

P.S. I read in EW sometime ago that Joss was given $40 million to make Firefly the motion picture and at the time only the Captian and first officer had signed on. What I read said he was thinking about doing the movie about before the TV show. Not sure what has happened since though.
Also a DS9 movie is in the works, but I have heard little of this.

[Daithipj]

This is a bit sick. Aren't there better causes out there to be asking people to donate money to rather than the already overflowing coffers of media magnates? Such as, oh I don't know, the little matter of that tsunami that killed over 200,000 people around Christmas time?

Enterprise was enjoyable, but it's not worth $36 million of YOUR money.

[Teegedeck]

Well, that's a thought that crossed my mind. But I didn't spell it out because it is kind of a dead-beat argument. Do you have to spend that much money on going to baseball games; on cable-tv; on DVDs?

That put aside, better and cheaper shows went under in spite of such petitions and big, fan-funded PR attempts (Angel).

And BTW, the cancellation of DS9 came as a surprise to the crew, they were all hoping for a continuation, the story arc was left half-finished.

[dragongodz]

This is a bit sick. Aren't there better causes out there to be asking people to donate money to rather than the already overflowing coffers of media magnates? Such as, oh I don't know, the little matter of that tsunami that killed over 200,000 people around Christmas time?
Australians alone have given over one billion dollars in donations and government loans(which are expected to be bad, meaning never fully repaid if at all). so if i or anyone else who has donated to such causes wish to spend some money on something more for ourselves it is absolutly none of your business. :mad:

And BTW, the cancellation of DS9 came as a surprise to the crew, they were all hoping for a continuation, the story arc was left half-finished.
well thats strange since i remember either braga or berman saying when Voyager was about to come out that DS9 was heading towards the end of its 7 year run and they wanted the new show well started before then.

better and cheaper shows went under in spite of such petitions and big, fan-funded PR attempts (Angel).
very true. what i hate most is some also end with a cliff-hanger. i just wish they would do a movie or mini or something so people are not always left wondering WTF ? ;)

[Mug Funky]

hehehe... let it die.

though i'd like to see william shatner take up the reins again. he's so bad he's good. and i like his karaoke.

[aklendathu]

The idea of a fan-funded 5th Enterprise Season is very interesting. I think nothing like this has never been done before...

I like Enterprise and think that one or two more seasons would be entirely justifiable - I'm just thinking of Romulan Wars and the birth of the Federation. Some people like Enterprise, some don't. It's as simple as that. If we look closely enough at any SF TV episode, it is possible to always discern plot inconsistencies or loopholes. This is 'Science' Fiction, which means that it is a world-reality imagined by the writers, and the scripts are usually written to meet deadlines, so not much time for check-ups. If we feel some sort of empathy towards the show and/or its actors/characters, 'Suspension of Disbelief' takes over, and we like the show. If not, well...

I wouldn't mind spending some money helping to bring this about. After all, is all the money we spend on movies, DVDs, mobile phones, PCs, etc., etc., ill-spent ? Why not spend some, sponsoring a TV show we like ?

[tpol069]

Originally posted by Daithipj
This is a bit sick. Aren't there better causes out there to be asking people to donate money to rather than the already overflowing coffers of media magnates? Such as, oh I don't know, the little matter of that tsunami that killed over 200,000 people around Christmas time?

Enterprise was enjoyable, but it's not worth $36 million of YOUR money.

Look people decide for them selves what to do with their money, i am sure most if not all, have simpathy for the sunami, and have donated money, (I HAVE), so if they want to spent some money on startrek, thats none of your buisness. Besides its not $36,- million of their money. Most people give between 1 and 50 dollars.

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by aklendathu
The idea of a fan-funded 5th Enterprise Season is very interesting. I think nothing like this has never been done before...

It's not that new or unique. It is basically the same as the Save Farscape cmapaign save for the possibly dubious money collections.

[aklendathu]

What I meant was unique was the money collection thing. Of course, there have been campaigns before about saving TV series from cancellation...

I looked up the web site listed in the original posting and it seems legit. Contributors only stand to lose a bit of their money in processing fees (someone ALWAYS makes money out of these things...)

[theReal]

I think the question is where will your money go if STE will be cancelled anyways? Will you get it back, or what?

[aklendathu]

According to what's posted on the web site, that's exactly what happens - minus the service fees I mentioned. As far as I can tell, the donations/refunds are made through PayPal.

[Neo Neko]

I could see things like this become a popular scam in the future. "Help save X" All I get is a minor processing fee and interest earned on the money. You get your money back sans etc. There are worse scams that being the case. But that is still kinda iffy. Is it goint to be lokitorrent all over again. Or was Loki the only trixter.

[mpucoder]

Remember the first Rule of Acquisition.

[celtic_druid]

Well shouldn't it be an investment anyway? You put in money, if the show does well then you would get more back. If the show fails, then you loose your money, but the network and everyone else involved still gets paid.

[dragongodz]

I could see things like this become a popular scam in the future.
possibly. then again there are/were scams for the tsunami aswell so something being for a "good cause" doesnt make it any better or safer. atleast they are upfront about you not going to get all of your money back in this case.

the old saying "buyer beware" fits these just aswell as making purchases.

[Doobie]

I like Enterprise, but not enough to worry about its cancellation. I just don't think any of the chicks on it are hot enough. And, I really hate time travel episodes.

Being a UPN show certainly hurts the viewing numbers. It would do good on the Sci Fi channel except that channel is up to its neck in space shows.

[Neo Neko]

Well between Andromeda and Enterprise I would be hard pressed to decide which one I would miss. If Sci-Fi dropped one for the other that would be acceptable. However they better not touch my Stargates. They are already on thin ice with that whole Farscape SNAFU.

[theReal]

And, I really hate time travel episodes."The Vulcan Science Directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible" :D

Why do so many people hate the time travel eps? I think they're the most interesting (maybe not very logical, but if the storyline is kind of conclusive then I love the time travel eps!)

[Doobie]

Originally posted by theReal Why do so many people hate the time travel eps? I think they're the most interesting (maybe not very logical, but if the storyline is kind of conclusive then I love the time travel eps!) [/B]

The absolute illogic bothers me. If you time travel to the past and give your younger self a time machine so that you will have a time machine, who invented the time machine? Temporal mechanics? HA!

It's also too powerful of a thing. Go back in time and fix all your problems.

Anyway, I think Doom9 has pointed Enterprise fans to the best way to save Enterprise. Instead of donating money to some dubious effort to pay for a new season, run out and buy the existing episodes on DVD.

[aklendathu]

Originally posted by Doobie
Anyway, I think Doom9 has pointed Enterprise fans to the best way to save Enterprise. Instead of donating money to some dubious effort to pay for a new season, run out and buy the existing episodes on DVD.

If they had started releasing the DVDs soon after the episodes first aired, that might have made a difference. But the PTB were releasing Voyager and TOS on DVD instead... Even if the series was somehow renewed now, would they still be able to get the same actors for the cast? My guess is most if not all already have jobs lined up for the Fall.

[mpucoder]

Originally posted by aklendathu
My guess is most if not all already have jobs lined up for the Fall.

Why wait? Shooting has ended.

[Doobie]

Originally posted by aklendathu
If they had started releasing the DVDs soon after the episodes first aired, that might have made a difference.

I just checked at Amazon. Season One of Enterprise won't be released until May.

[kurt]

after every single episode of season 4 i'm totally worried about that stupid cancellation... season 5 would have been great as the same ---> think about as shran would be a crewmember, the visit on Denobula or the beginning of the federation ....

[Neo Neko]

The problem is season 4 should have been season 1. They screwed up and around. Now they are paying for it.

[Didée]

Probably it hasn't very much to do with the situation in U.S. ... but hear how German TV treated Enterprise:

Season 1 was aired. Break. Season 2 was aired to 50%. Long Break. Season 1 was repeated to 50%. Long Break. Rest of Season 2 was aired (1 to 1 1/2 years after initial interruption!), directly followed by Season 3. Finished, now they start repeating ... Season 1. After repetition of S1 will have finished in autumn, Season 4 will be aired ...
(But I guess they'll repeat 1st 33% of S1, middle 33% of S2, and last 33% of S3. Or all 3 at the same time, intermixed. That would fit the picture of TV insanity.)

It is no wonder at all that German quotas were bad, either: there was hardly a chance to "follow" the series. Only the die-hard fans could hold up, despite everything. The "normal viewer" got too much irritated to stay with the show.
Seems TV officials are not too bright people in general.

[kurt]

@ Didée: you forgot the permantent changes of the airdates... from 18.00pm to 14 pm on sunday ... the court-shows are more important at that time :D

[dragongodz]

but hear how German TV treated Enterprise:
ye not much different here in Aus. so many of these shows are not shown until around 1 a.m. or treated like Farscape where they constantly change times and night and have big gaps between episodes etc. yet we get all the U.S. dramas shown and repeated(again and again) in prime time.

The problem is season 4 should have been season 1. They screwed up and around. Now they are paying for it.
practically no shows season 1 is as good as later seasons. more like season 3/4 should have been what season 2 was like. still if you look at the trend a sci-fi show has to be massive to even stand a chance now days. look at the U.S. sci-fi channel, it has scare tactics, a reality show for gods sake.

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by dragongodz
practically no shows season 1 is as good as later seasons. more like season 3/4 should have been what season 2 was like.

The point still stands that if those first few seasons hadn't happened the show would be renewed and I might still be watching it.. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by dragongodz
still if you look at the trend a sci-fi show has to be massive to even stand a chance now days. look at the U.S. sci-fi channel, it has scare tactics, a reality show for gods sake.

But of any station/network that produces it's own content the Sci-Fi channel has the smallest "reality show":"highly produced show" ratio in the industry. Ok maybe Cartoon Network has them beat. But you have to admit it is hard to make a cartoon reality show. Which probably explains the fact that the only two stations I watch regularly are Sci-Fi and CN. I absolutely hate the SF reality shows though. I hate all so called "reality" TV shows. <Futurama> Save for the shows of the genera "Worlds most blankiest blank". </Futurama> Phear my XMLness http://img99.exs.cx/img99/8577/yupi3ti.gif

[Nic]

But you have to admit it is hard to make a cartoon reality show
<Simpsons>"Cartoons are very rarely broadcast live - it's a tremendous strain on the animators' wrists."</Simpsons> ;)

[dragongodz]

The point still stands that if those first few seasons hadn't happened the show would be renewed and I might still be watching it.
the point to a point ? :cool:
well i say if the writing had improved sooner such as later in season 1 or even with the start of season 2 while you say if the writing had been better to begin with. minor difference really so we are close enough to agreeing i would say. :D

But you have to admit it is hard to make a cartoon reality show
just wait, i am sure someone somewhere has it on the drawing board(boom boom). ;)

[Neo Neko]

Originally posted by dragongodz
just wait, i am sure someone somewhere has it on the drawing board(boom boom). ;)

The Comedy Channel has a crappy POS called Drawn Together which is an attempt at a "reality" satire TV show.

[theReal]

Seems TV officials are not too bright people in general:D Hehe, you're sooooo right (I'm working at a regional tv station, LOL)

I suspect that the only reason for all the "reality" shows is that they can be produced with less equipment and less people (in the most extreme cases all you need is police footage...)

[Cyberman]

Originally posted by theReal
Why do so many people hate the time travel eps? I think they're the most interesting (maybe not very logical, but if the storyline is kind of conclusive then I love the time travel eps!)

I think the problem is that time travel usually isn´t handled consistent. One time everything dissovles, another time a second branch is created, etc...

Also, I think too few people ever bother to think about time travel - producers and viewers alike, so it´s often too mind-wrapping for them.
Time travel is something that should be done carefully - you have to think about it and rethink before doing anyhting - or it´ll just be stupid.

Originally posted by Didée
Probably it hasn't very much to do with the situation in U.S. ... but hear how German TV treated Enterprise:

I think there is a pattern somewhere - apparently many series are treated that way.
Anyone know Transformers? Similar situation.

Besides, the so-called translations sure don´t help either.

[edit]As for Enterprise - let it die. I only watch it because I want to know what happens next - it lost all credibility already. In one episode they are content to let an entire ship of insectoid(?) eggs/young die, while in the next expisode they´re devestated because they had to destroy an outpost with three Xindi as crew...

[Doobie]

I just saw the latest episdoe of Enterprise. Kudos for explaining why Klingons looked different in TOS than in the other several series. Now, they can wrap up the show.

[kurt]

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[trapvector]

I think it's a fitting end if Enterprise is cancelled.
Star Trek's vision of mankind's future being a benevolent quest
for self-betterment and exploration of the universe is the total
opposite of the state of things today. It's ironic that people
were so enamored by that idea, that they went to great lengths to
make that vision as real as they could. Whether by devoting mass
amounts of money toward their "hobby", organising and attending conventions,
or simply acting toward others as a StarFleet officer would.
The message is that to get mankind out of stagnation and on toward its best possible state,
there has to be some sort of anti-consumerism revolution.

I find it ironic that once Star Trek turns into a consumerism tool
designed for mass revenue intake, it starts to die.
It's a paradox: greed births art/art used for greed/art dies away.