Etymonix with premiere? quick question

[poopity poop]

So, I'm getting into this DVD authoring stuff, and I've used TMPEGenc, and CCE, even a little BBMPEG. But all that crap spits out darker redder video due to being 4:2:0 YUV color space. So I was browsing the forum until I found Etymonix which does 4:4:4. Great, so I download it, install it, open up primiere and a random huffy AVI or something just to test it out, and STOP.

I have no idea how to export the timeline using the Etymonix Encoder. So I read the readme html file and it lists the programs its compatible with, and of course(like the people here have said) they just use primiere. So I'm in file>export timeline>movie>settings.
Then I select General> Microsoft AVI
Video>compress>Etymonix
I click ok and save
Now, it produces an .avi which I rename to .mpg, I guess, but the file size is congruent with an uncompressed .avi, which I'm guessing it is.

My question:
How do I export a timeline in premiere using the Etymonix Codec? Is there another decent encoder that can output 4:4:4 color space and not the crap that tmpeg and CCE spews out? And when is tmpeg going to implement 4:4:4?

[poopity poop]

ok so I found this int he premiere help file:

You can create MPEG video using the Save for Web export option

and

Choose File > Export Timeline (or Export Clip) > Save for Web , Advanced RealMedia Export, or Advanced Windows Media (Windows only).

I don't have "save for Web when I go to export timeline, I have Movie FRame Audio, print to video, export to tape, file list, EDL, and advanced windows media. Where is this "save for Web" option?

I'm using Adobe Premiere 6.0

[hank315]

So, I'm getting into this DVD authoring stuff, and I've used TMPEGenc, and CCE, even a little BBMPEG. But all that crap spits out darker redder video due to being 4:2:0 YUV color space. So I was browsing the forum until I found Etymonix which does 4:4:4. Great, so I download it, install it, open up primiere and a random huffy AVI or something just to test it out, and STOP.Don't know what you want to achieve with 4:4:4 color space but I wish you a lot of success...
Quality will be horrible, you will use a lot of bits for the UV planes which you really don't need.
Also it's not DVD compliant, only 4:2:0 is, so why 4:4:4 color space ?

[poopity poop]

4:4:4 maintains true color space. IF you take a piece of video and encode it using like.. 6000kbps XVid...then take the samevideo and encode it using tmpeg or CCE or something, then took the two fiels and compared them side by side you would see that the mpeg would be a might bit redder, and a might bit darker, and XViD video would be perfect.
Which begs the question..if mpeg-4(XviD in particular) produces so much better quality than even the highest bitrate mpeg-2..why the fudge does hollywood still use it?!

And also.. are you sure that a 4:4:4 color space is not DVD compliant?

[hank315]

Which begs the question..if mpeg-4(XviD in particular) produces so much better quality than even the highest bitrate mpeg-2..why the fudge does hollywood still use it?!Because Xvid is not a standard, MPEG2 is.
This doesn't mean it's bad, it's *very* good, but not a standard...

And also.. are you sure that a 4:4:4 color space is not DVD compliant?Absolutely sure, DVD specs are Main Profile@Main Level, see page 143 of: http://www.ee.columbia.edu/~eleft/e6880-Spring98/docs/is138182.pdf

[dragongodz]

DVD specs are Main Profile@Main Level, see page 143 of
sorry hank315 but thats not entirely accurate. dvd specs are more restricted than that. you will know this link from the "debate" i was part of in the past
http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/DVD/Book_B/Video.html

also apparently the manual to dvd verifiering software mentioned in the ifo/vob section has a lot more information about it aswell. i will dig that link up later and add it here aswell.

EDIT: ok here it is. the manual(which is downloadable) to this is meant to have quite a bit of information about dvd specs.
http://www.licensing.philips.com/services/lover/h/documents1051.html

[poopity poop]

Well what I'm doing is converting VHS tapes to DVD, and when I did my parents wedding video, everything was a tad dark and a tad redder, and as a perfectionist I thought it looked like shit, lol
so how do you encode Etymonix in premiere? :)

EDIT:
oh.. and if anyone has a better way to deinterlace pure interlaced video from CHS(29.97) to 23.976, that's really really good please let me know. I've tried tons of methods and the best so far I think is Smart Deinterlacer 2.7b from donald graft. But that does keep it at 29.97fps, which works but I would like to get it purely progessive

[poopity poop]

/bump?

[Ebobtron]

Looks to me like you did it when I read your post.
If my ability to read serves me right.
http://www.etymonix.com/products/VideoCodec/VideoCodec.htm
Etymonix encoder produces an Avi with Mpeg 2 type I frames, the container is AVI not Mpeg. It is useless for DVD creation no matter how many 4s are in the color space. A huge Avi file might be useful if I was doing live broadcast. The Jpeg encoders produce the same kind of file I believe, but with less 4s. Come on people, a Mpeg 2 video stream will never be 4:4:4. A new codec may someday but I sure it will not be called MPEG 2.
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I don’t understand this move to de-interlace. If your picky about overall quality de-interlacing will lower the overall q.

Why can’t 29.97fps be truly progressive?

Why convert interlaced 29.97 video to film? If you are successful the player would have to convert it to 29.97 and than involves re-interlacing your de-interlaced frames. It's called TELECINE.

Read the guide linked below. If you have, read it again.
http://www.doom9.org/ivtc-tut.htm

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