Looking for Audio and Video knowledge for DVD's

[djzoey]

Looking for someone who knows alot and would be willing to help with taking one DVD audio track with poor video and put it to the same DVD title with good video. I need some detailed instruction on this process and would be willing communicate via messaging or email to do this.
I have a DTS track that I'd like to combine with the good video DVD that does not have a DTS track to give you a summary of what i'm trying to do. Please email me at djzoey@cableone.net to furthur discuss this. I'm kinda new to delving into the DVD editing realm, however I'm a pro at other items. Please email me any one if you think you have the knowledge and would like to spend a little time. Would be much appreciated. Please direct me to the proper forum if I'm not posting in the correct one. Thank you.

Robear :devil:

[E-Male]

it's better to keep things in the forum, so everyone can benefit

to the topic:
if the audio and video are already synced you just need dvddecrypter to rip both to hd and muxman to author them to a new dvd (and a burning tool to burn them)
i can give you more detailed help when needed

[djzoey]

I have both DVD versions already on the HD ripped using DVD Decryptor. Now what is the best way to combine the DTS audio track with the Good video from the DVD that does not have the DTS track? What's the next step and what program should I use. I've been told to use VirtualDub and GDIndex, however I started using those and detailed information on how to use them unfortunatly isn't the best so I stopped. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks E-Male. So lets start with the next step after ripping the DVD's to separate folders on the HD. Whats next?

[E-Male]

if you have demuxed while ripping just put the video stream and the audio stream into muxman and you are done (if the streams are already in sync)

[djzoey]

I haven't demuxed, I don't think during ripping. Should I have? I just ripped the vob file to the HD. What are the steps to do this. Thanks for our help.

[manono]

I don't know if you should have, but you could have. In any event, at this stage you can demux with PGCDemux (http://www.posunplugged.com/jsoto/dvdtools.htm).

[US_ARMY_Geek]

Hi a little new to the forum.... been doing alot of reading.. ha ha

Demuxing.. is that what DVDLABPro does to MPEG 1 files.. separating the audio from the video?

second question... When trying to make a DVD is it better to use VOB files.. or rip the Item into Div X, AVI or MPEG2?

I hope I didn't make more confusion

8-)

[E-Male]

@US_ARMY_Geek:
bad first post
you posted totally of topic stuff in this thread
please remove your post and start a new thread in teh newby forum

djzoey:
in dvddecrypter use "ifo" mode and go to "stream processing"
there make sure only the stream you want is selected
then click on it's name (not the check box) and select "demux" below
then rip

when you have the m2v file (video) and the dts file (audio) put them into muxman

[djzoey]

Ok E-Male, will try that when I get home. I have never use IFO mode yet. Is there any other settings for IFO and Stream that I need to know? Also I assume that I can get muxman from doom? or is there another place? Thanks.

:devil:

[US_ARMY_Geek]

@E-Male - new to the forum does not mean new toDVD authoring...although I may not have the terms down, which is why i asked the question of Demuxing... it leads me to a suggestion I was going to offer....

If That is what Demuxing is .. then why not use one program that can take and strip the audio from the video clip.. such as DVDLABPro

then you can keep the video and add the audio you want...

which was why I asked the other question .. which format is better making compilations... because DVDlabpro seems to work best with MPG format.

Then you would be using one program to do all your processes...

But thats ok.. i will just puruse the forums.. and keep coments to myself.

thanks

[E-Male]

Originally posted by djzoey
Ok E-Male, will try that when I get home. I have never use IFO mode yet. Is there any other settings for IFO and Stream that I need to know?
in the "settings", go to "ifo mode" and disable "file splitting" if it isn't already
i think you should be fine leaving the other settings as they are
you can of course change the directory to rip to


Originally posted by djzoey
Also I assume that I can get muxman from doom? or is there another place?
a forum search for "muxman" will show you the thread which contains a link to the hp in the first post
it's freeware

[E-Male]

@US_ARMY_Geek:
why use DVDLABPro when it can all be done with freeware??

and your other question shows you are more of a newby than you might think:
ripping keeps the files from dvd in their original format, which is mpeg2 (mpeg1 also supported)
and a dvd is always made of vob and ifo files, the vobs contain mpeg2 video aswell as audio and subs

also see:
http://www.doom9.org/glossary.htm
not totally up2date with the programs mentioned
but the basic explainations should answer most of your questions about terminology

[US_ARMY_Geek]

I have looked at that main page probably 100 times now hitting the guides first thing.... or jumping right to forums...

thanks for the info .. I will edjumicate myself further.

[djzoey]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by E-Male
[B]in the "settings", go to "ifo mode" and disable "file splitting" if it isn't already
i think you should be fine leaving the other settings as they are
you can of course change the directory to rip to


I'm getting an error almost at the end of ripping the IFO files. Says it can't write the M2V file due to lack of HD space. I have over 140Gigs of free space. I'll try splitting the files and see what happens until I hear from you. :scared:

[E-Male]

make sure you rip to a hd with anough space
and that the hd is ntfs

[djzoey]

Ok both are ripped to an NTFS partition, however I'm only seeing a M2V, Vob and Ifo files along with a txt file that has the information about delays and such. Do I need to do something to get the audio too?

[djzoey]

OK, i guess you have to use the ripper to rip the audio separately which works and I can see an AC3 file if I select the 5.1 track, however if I select the DTS track it comes out in Vob form. What do I need to do to get the DTS vob form into wav for muxman?

[E-Male]

not .wav, it should be .dts

in dvddecryper in the stream processing part of teh window:
-make sure only teh dts track is selected
-click on the dts stream (it's name, not the check box) and then below select demux

for the video on the other disc do the same (but with the video of course)

then you should have an m2v and a dts file

[djzoey]

:sly:
Well, I did make sure that the DTS track was selected only. I think for some reason these DVD's were encoded differently for the DTS track. Everytime I selected the DTS track and downloaded the stream to HD, it made a vob file. If I selected the AC3 5.1 track it actually downloaded into AC3 file format with the AC3 extention. Trying to figure that out online and searching the forums for info. I tried a couple different programs recommended on Doom9 and see to find the same issue with this DTS track. I ended up using SmartRipper as it was recommended to download audio track. Again it did the same thing. So just by thinking about it, I though, since Muxman doesn't see Vob files for it Audio selction, why not just rename the vob extention to the .DTS extention and see that happens. Sure enough, Muxman inported the information with out any errors reported and imported the good video vob files. I set the delay information for the audio track per the TXT file and hit Go. About 10 minutes later I had 5 large vob files and IFO and BUP files to go along with them. I opened Power DVD and took a look. Wow, nice video and audio was in DTS and in Sync too. I used DVD shrink to compress to 4.4G DVD-R and burned it. I took it out the living room and played it on the surroud sound system. The receiver picked up the DTS track and indicated it. Picture on the TV was wonderful. So much better than the bad DVD. Must say this has been interesting. I need to go back and find out if just by using DVD Decrypter if I can use the same renaming of the audio vob file to DTS, if muxman accepts that. I would be nice to use less programs to do all this and keep it simple. Yes, after installing a HD with NTFS does have it's advantages.

Programs used:
1. DVD Decryptor
2. SmartRipper
3. Muxman
4. DVDShrink
5. Nero

Combining an Audio Track from one DVD with video track from another DVD with the same movie title of the same movie length for DTS Tracks. (Meaning if you took the audio track from an extended movie and wanted to put it with an non-extended movie length, the audio would probably not be in sync with the movie.) This would also work for AC3(5.1) tracks aswell.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Use DVD Decrypter in IFO mode and stream the audio and or video out to a HD with NTFS formatting and enough space. Lets say 20gig minimum. Do this for both DVD's that you want to re-author. I'd make different folders and keep them separated. Make sure you set the program to not split the vob files, you want a single video and audio vob files downloaded to the HD that is using NTFS that support larger files over 4Gig in size or it won't work.
2. I used SmartRipper to rip just the audio track to a separate folder on the HD. (I'll post info if by just using DVD Decryptor will work for this step as well. If so we can eliminate this program for this step and use DVD Decrypter instead.)
3. After the audio track has been downloaded, If DTS was the selected track that was downloaded, the file should appear with a .DTS extention, however when I did it, it came with a .vob extention. After playing around with trying to get muxman to recognize unsuccessfully the audio track. I figured out that by renaming the .vob file extention from .vob to .DTS allowed muxman to import the audio file correctly. So if you don't see the .DTS extention at the end of the file name, just rename it. I did see that DVD Decryptor downloaded AC3(5.1) Tracks correctly with the correct .AC3 file extention so you shouldn't have to rename this.
4. Once the vob file has been renamed to .DTS open muxman and select the video file for the video section.
5. Select the DTS audio track that you just rename for the audio section of muxman.
6. Open the .TXT file in wordpad or notepad and look for the DTS track information. There will be several lines of text information, just fine the one that pertains to the track you selected and are working with. In Muxman, enter the Delay information found in the .txt file. I used English for the language selection and normal for the Extention section. I left the default Destination folder as is, just make sure you have enough room and a HD.
7. Hit Start. Took my 2Gig pc 10 minutes to compile the video and audio tracks and download new vob, ifo and bup files.
8. Open a DVD viewing program of your choice to check the output of the files. I used Power DVD. Run thru the movie at different point to check for clearity and audio sync.
9. If all is good, I used DVDShrink/Nero to compress and burn the files to a 4.4Gig DVD-R. For those who are using the 8-9Gig DVDs, you don't have to use DVDShrink to compress, just burn the files.
10. After DVD burning is done, verify the burn on the home system and see what you get. Should look good.

Again this is my experence so far for these DVD and the DTS sound track. I do hope that this helps some that need the info. I'll add info when I learn more too.

[mpucoder]

It is also possible to use the file without renaming. In the file browser you can change the extension "filter" ( files of type: ) to "all files (*.*)". Muxman does not care about the extension, it identifies files by their content.

Also the audio delays reported by programs like DVD Decrypter are to compensate for an error in the old dvd2avi and avisynth. If the value is something like -67, -83, -100 (NTSC) or -80 or -120 (PAL) then you can safely ignore them.

[E-Male]

good to hear it worked

[djzoey]

Thank you MPUCODER;
I wasn't aware that Muxman didn't care about file extention types. I will try this again today when I to another test run with another DVD set. This time I'll rip, then use muxman as the 2nd step in the process. As for delay I was unsure of the value input so I played it safe and added it per the .txt file I saw. I'm sure it works probably both ways. Thank you for your info and programning efforts.

:D

[djzoey]

After using Smart Ripper this evenin to perform the same operations from last nite on the next 2 DVD's. I downloaded the DTS tracks to separate folders from the Video files. I opened MuxMan an selected the wildcard all files option from the drop down menu and selected the audio vob file . MuxMan is displaying an error message that "Audio type not recognized."
I used the same options downloading the audio track from SmartRipper, Extract to new Vob file and Map to Option to the same address indicated.
I then even renamed the vob file to dts and it still displays the Audio Type not recognized.

Any Ideas? I worked for the 1st dvd last nite. I haven't changed anything. Muxman see the video files fine.

[djzoey]

Muxman fixed, figured out that SmartRipper isn't ripping the audio correctly. I went back and configured DVD Decryptor to down stream and demux the DTS track and it finally downloaded into the DTS extension formatted file.
How ever doing the 2nd DVD, the audio is out of sync by about 2-3 seconds approx. early before action in the movie cetches up. This out of sync slowly get worse towards the middle and the end of the movie, sounds stops about 20mins approx. before the end of the movie. I need to resync this if possible. The one thing I notice for this one movie is that the DTS track has a 0ms delay along with the movie. The first DVD movie and the 3rd DVD movie both had delays of -83 and -84. The first DVD movie compiled and was synced correctly. Ideas from the masters? Thank you for your time and efforts. Please refer me to the correct forum if I've posted incorrectly.

[E-Male]

if it's getting continously more and more out of sync, then audio and video don't run at the same speed
i guess one is pal the other is ntsc
you won't be able to fix this without reencoding either the audio or the video

if it get's out of sync suddenly, then both dvd's don't contain the same version of the movie
to fix thix you would have to cut either the audio or the video to match the other

[djzoey]

Ok, the video is NTSC for sure because I'm using the US released DVD for that and I know thats good video. So is there a fairly easy way to redue the audio by chance?

[E-Male]

DTS encoders aren't cheap...

(and are you implying pal video is bad video?? j/k)

[djzoey]

So virtual dub a possibility of resyncing? Anyway of using this current version of this DTS track and getting it to work with DVD#2? And no, I'm not implying PAL video is BAD, Its sucks! However I'm not working with PAL on any of these DVD's FYI. Anyways, let me know what you think. DVD's 1 and 3 came out great.

[E-Male]

you can resync it with a number of programs (not vdub i think), but you'll have to encode either mpeg2 or dts (the one you edited)

and why the $%&ß do you think pal sucks??? it's no worth than ntsc

[djzoey]

So what program would you recommend? I assume that I'll still need both DVD's correct? Let me know. 1 and 3 looks good. Would be nice to have #2 looking and sounding the same.

[djzoey]

Also I have Stienburg Nuendo and Surcode, however I think I need to get the DTS file converted to mpeg or someting else. Importing files for .dts doesn't work. Let me know what you think.

[E-Male]

if you don't have a dts encoder you won't be able to create a slower or faster dts track

[djzoey]

Nuendo and SurCode DTS say that they can do DTS I guess. The SurCode seems like a DTS encoder. However I need to get the DTS track that I have into one of them so I assume that I need to convert what I have down to Wav or Mpeg?

[djzoey]

Heres a link to there web site:
http://www.surcode.com/low/dvdDts/dvdDts.htm

[mpucoder]

Make sure you set the encoder for DVD compliant DTS, there are two variants of DTS. Bitrate must be either 768Kbps or 1536Kbps, 5.1 channels only. Do not use a wav (riff) container, just dts.

[djzoey]

So how do I take a already DTS track and convert it. I'm looking at BeSweet right now. I need to get down into a Wav I think. I'm getting confused...

[E-Male]

besweet aloen can't read dts
you need azidts

[djzoey]

Ok, I used DTSDEC to download the .dts file to a .wav file. IT's HUGE. Over 4Gigs. Now, I hope that I can get it to match up to the M2V movie file correctly. Whats the next step?

[djzoey]

One more step I did, I opened the DVD M2V file in Nuendo 2 then imported the 4Gig DTS wav track into it as separate tracks. Then I exported each channel back down to it's own folder so I have 6 separate tracks for each channel. The SurCode DTS program I have requires a copy guard lock attachment so It's of now use.
So I have the big 4Gig file and the separate 6 channel files. What do you think I should do. Thanks for the help E-Male. ;)

[E-Male]

ok, you got 6 mono waves, each represnting one of the 6 channels
and a dts encoder able do put them together to a dts file again
so far so good

use besweet on all 6 of them and change their speed (same change on all 6 of course), don't do anything else at that step, just wav 2 wav with changed speed, no normalisation, nothing

then use the encoder

i can't tell you how much to change, you'll have to try, maybe pal2ntsc is a good first try

[djzoey]

I'm trying to go back and recreate this proceedure with a new movie and DTS sound track and I think I'm missing something. I have the video file decrypted using DVD Dectryptor and the DTS track using the same program using the IFO MODE and Stream processing. I'm able to import the video into Muxman however when selecting the audio file, MM says it's not recognized as supported. The files that gets out put from the decryptor is in .vob format. I went back over my notes and tried to change the .extention to DTS and that or MPEG does not work. I have tried v1.0 and downloaded the lasted v.15R and both do the same thing. I think I'm missing a step and not sure where to go from here. Please let me know. I notice that you have a pro version available of MM, does this support the .vob DTS file format? I'd be interested in making a purchace if this is an easy way of mixing good video files with DTS sound tracks then burning them to DVD. Please let me know. Again, a friend of mine wants a movie that was released here in the U.S. that didn't have the DTS track and found one over seas that does, however that DVD only has video in PAL and not NTSC. So where back again, trying to combine the GOOD stuff with other good stuff. Let me know if I'm missing programs or files I need loaded on my PC ir what step I'm missing. Thanks for all help. :o

[setarip_old]

@dzjoey

Hi!a friend of mine wants a movie that was released here in the U.S. that didn't have the DTS track and found one over seas that does, however that DVD only has video in PAL and not NTSC.That's rather unusual. What's the Title of the DVD?

[djzoey]

Actually it's not that unusual. I'm not fully experienced about the big movie house politics and marketing and why some movies do or do not have the DTS sound track however there is some debate on where DTS vs standard DD 5.1 is better. For me and those of US who desire the DTS track, wish most movies did include the DTS track. I know that sometimes it's just not feasable in some older movies however there are some great action movies that should include the track, and don't for some reason, i.e. The Matrix Trilogy and Transformers. Why other regions get the track and WE don't is beyond me. Any any rate,I found the problem with importing the DTS track into MuxMan, I needed SmartRipper for this compilation. I was able to import it correctly and them re-compile the Video and Audio. But that was half the battle. After MM re-compiled the video, the 2 are off sync and not sure if I can fix that. The 2 movies are supposed to be of the same theatrical release, however there is a 5-7 minute difference just by looking at each movie and looking at the remainder time. So I think the DVD we got from over seas is either not like the US release thus making the time difference or when they engineered the video and audio, something was cut off making the movie and audio shorter. So I need to review each movie and see if they are the same or not and check the timing.
FYI, I was able to recompile DTS tracks with other movies that didn't release with the DTS track. :devil:

So if anyone can recommend a easy way of re-syncing audio and video that has this trouble and has detailed information, please let me know. All info appreciated.


@dzjoey

Hi!That's rather unusual. What's the Title of the DVD?

[setarip_old]

So, what IS the title of the DVD?

[djzoey]

So, what IS the title of the DVD?
"_DUNE_"

[setarip_old]

Actually the U.S. released "Dune" 3-Disc Set, Special Edition Director's Cut contains a DTS audio track...

[mpucoder]

Actually the U.S. released "Dune" 3-Disc Set, Special Edition Director's Cut contains a DTS audio track...

That is the mini-series Dune, not the movie

[setarip_old]

Actually, it was the original movie (not a "made-for-TV" miniseries), with an added prologue, that was shown on the SciFi channel. Here's a description:This special version of "Dune" is the Alan Smithee cut - a three hour ressembling of the film prepared for airing on television. David Lynch had his dirrectorial credit removed from this version, primarily due to his objection to the specially created prologue which attempts to spell out the convoluted twists and turns of what many describe as being an unfilmable plot. Despite Lynch's objections, this version is actually clearer than the original cinema edit, which was notoriously trimmed almost o the point of incomprehension by Hollywood executives determined to make it a more "commercial" duration.

[djzoey]

Hmmm. Never seen that anywhere for sale or on eBay. Must have been a short run thing. Only ones I see that Alan did are in PAL and belong to other regions and seem to only in DD 2.0 however I'm not discrediting what ur saying. Anyways, all this is beside the point, I have a English DTS version and hope to sync it up with the US release however not sure if that will come to pass. Mr. MPUCODER, any thoughts about this? I guess I need to watch both versions and see if there any differences in the movie to make sure there both the same theatrical release. Probably someone shaved off something. Wish they wouldn't do that. It's so easy if the tracks are the same, Hmm. Oh well. Let me know what you think. If Mr. Setarip can find a Region 1 US English with DTS and crystal clear video, lets talk. My buddy is a fanatic about DTS, :( LOL. Have a great week.


Actually, it was the original movie (not a "made-for-TV" miniseries), with an added prologue, that was shown on the SciFi channel. Here's a description:

[mpucoder]

A good first step would be to compare the cell times of each. IfoEdit and PgcEdit can both give you a summary

[djzoey]

Ok, I gave up on trying to sync up these 2 versions of Dune my friend brought me. Ya, I could go into depth and try and figure it out, however not having alot of time to play with it and finally, found a DTS version on ebay, it was better to buy this version and let my friend go off into the wild blue yonder. This was a Korean Theatrical release box set. Brand new. Also had the 2 disc TV 4 hour relase and a 3rd DVD with stuff on that. Was a chance listing I had found. I wish the US had more DTS releases. Thanks. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to HD or BR DVD's in the future.
:thanks: