Interesting Article (for german readers)

[Razorblade2000]

Article in german: http://www.3sat.de/neues/sendungen/magazin/75336/index.html

Just watched the documentary on TV, seems to be one of those "I've got a waaaaaay better codec than anyone else" stories, but looked really convincing on TV :P
Even Texas Instruments seems to be interested :P

[Sirber]

Can you give the mainline in english please? The only german I know is "Ein mass bitte" and "Danke" :rolleyes:

[Razorblade2000]

Well, somehow correct *g* http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3sat.de%2Fneues%2Fsendungen%2Fmagazin%2F75336%2Findex.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=de&c2coff=1&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

[Envision]

just watched the show:

"20 times lower bitrate on same quality as divx/wmv9"
"developed for russian military, blabla"

-no way, very bad documentary - no examples shown,
only some "cloudy" visions and some "so called" expert.

never heard of this before, and i think the Texas Instruments
guy was right -> most of this freaks a better in playing tricks,
than doing real revolutions.


for german readers:

deshalb nenne ich das zdf/3sat auch das rtl2 des
öffentlich-rechtliches Fernsehen.
(von diversen dubiosen wiso "tests" und frontal reportagen
ganz zu schweigen)

[Northpack]

Refering to the german documentary:

Habe die Sendung auch gesehen. Da ist also Jemand, der aus PC-Hardware irgendwelchen achsotollen DVD-Player zusammenbastelt die zu Phantasiepreisen (11.000€!) auf den Markt bringt und keinerlei Referenzen als Codec-Entwickler aufzuweisen hat, sowie kein sichtbares Entwicklerteam im Hintergrund, der nun also daherkommt und behauptet er habe einen (angeblich bereits voll funktionsfähigen!) Codec entwickelt, der anstelle durchschnittlich 20-fach höhere Kompressionsraten als MPEG4 erreichen würde. Dies soll angeblich dadurch erreicht werden, dass das Bild nicht in Makroblöcke zerlegt wird, sondern mittels einer von einer russischen Millitärsoftware(!) übernommenen Objekterkennungs-KI in visuelle Objekte die in einer Datenbank verwaltet werden (ob das Encoding auf einem Cray-Cluster oder per Distributed Computing erledigt wird wurde allerdings nicht erwähnt´:D).

Micht erinnert das ganze frappierend an den CT Aprilscherz von vor zwei Jahren, der fast genau das selbe behauptete. Ob sich da Jemand auf die Idee gekommen ist, diesen Aprilscherz zu barer Münze zu machen? Dafür spricht ein offensichtlich altersseniler Patentanwalt und diverse dubiose sogenannte "Videokompressionsexperten" die allesamt aus der Werbebbranche(!) kommen. Nun, wer selbst einmal mit Leuten aus dieser Branche geschäftlich zu tun hatte dürfte wissen wie es um deren Urteilsvermögen bestellt ist.

Das Ganze scheint mir so durchsichtig, dass es mich wundert dass ein doch vergleichsweise "seriöser" Sender wie 3Sat fachlich derart inkompetente Journalismus betreiben lässt. Aber ich lasse mich natürlich auch gerne überraschen, wenn der Wundercodec demnächst zum Download bereitsteht. Oder nächste Woche die erste bemannte Marsmission startet.:p

[Sirber]

english please! :devil:

[CruNcher]

maybe i can add it to the http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84961 list here soon ;) sure im skeptical too especialy reading about this 10.200 € Player which should be the first Reciver that plays HDTV in Germany and everyone knows this isn't true there are allready recivers that can play HDTV Sat Television, so this makes me allready skeptical about this company.

[scharfis_brain]

They also claim to squeeze out the very last detail out of our DVDs.

How can we assure, they didn't stole Didée's iiP() ?

hehe.

oh, and to quote them:
"blabla... we only used the bestbestbest and costliest chips ... blabla"

maybe filling the case with oxidized silicium (sand) will do the job too....

[pieter1976]

The Company

ATVISICAN is a young research & development company, specialising in multi-media
and communication technologies.

The Formation

The company was formed with a clear vision and a product specific idea - that all people worldwide should be able to communicate freely with one another via the Internet without hindrances or barriers.
The resulting range of products combine many existing entertainment and communication technologies with our own original developments and are tailored to meet the needs of a broad range of applications.
The technical start point was the creation of a new type of hardware that allows extremely high processing speeds.

The Future

In combination with a specially adapted and customised software development, ATVISICAN has patented a unique encoding and compression technology (CODEC) that allows audio and video data to be transported via the Internet using normal telephone connections, virtually in real-time and in a quality previously impossible.

The ATVISICAN CODEC will set new standards internationally in the area of video compression. The ATVISICAN CODEC offers easily proven benefits in terms of bandwidth over M-PEG 4 based codecs, needing less than 10% of M-PEG 4 compression requirements without a recognisable loss in picture quality. (Live trials have provided compression ratios of 20 times over MPEG-4 files, and we are confident that it is the best in the world)


In Conclusion

An enormous amount has been achieved in a very short time by a group of dedicated people. Without exception, the reaction of the many technical experts who have seen our products demonstrated has verged upon disbelief. We are confident many share our belief that our technology has the power to truly change the way in which many activities are currently handled, and to make what was impossible now possible.
We welcome inquires from any parties interested in working with us to develop and consolidate this enormous range of opportunities worldwide.

ATVISICAN is on the move- watch this space!


Strategic Objectives of ATVISICAN

• Durable technical nose by intensive research and development for all products and methods of ATVISICAN. In particular to all ATVISICAN hardware and associated compression- and encodingtechnolgies.

• Disassembling and amplification of our global Specialist- and Developernetwork.

• To ensure Software- and Hardwarecomponents by patent laws and relevant
technical actions (like Softwarekeys) to protect all products against misusage.

• License distribution to market leaders working in scopes like entertainment electronics, telecommunikation, IT, Media Content distribution and others.

• Formation and cooperation to national and international organisations help providing the further development and commercialisation of the products.



3sat.de (http://www.3sat.de/neues/sendungen/spezial/75626/)

[Sharktooth]

usual BS.

[Sirber]

total BS. Not the first compagny to claim that with no proof...

[Selur]

@pieter1976: if you understand german, you might want to look at this (http://forum.gleitz.info/showthread.php?t=20774) post over in the german doom9/gleitz forum.

In short:
The general idea might work, but it's all too vague atm. The technologies mentioned in the patent papers might be able to produce the claimed, though I doubt that atvisican is really able to do what they claim. Some things are really of the roof difficult (maybe impossible).

It all sounds like a hoax:
Take a bunch of ideas that might really help compression, mix it with a bunch of known stuff, patent it and try to sell it.

Cu Selur

[kwtc]

Early 2001, a French company was to present "I2BP", a new revolutionary codec who could deliver, according to the press release, 25 fps full screen at... 2 kbytes/s !

The presentation was postponed. Patent issues they said.

We're still waiting...

[bond]

this has been discussed already - threads merged

from my point of view i dont believe anything firms in this sector say until i really see it myself

firms know they have to lie to get attention...

[Doom9]

video is latin for "I see". So, I'll believe when I video ;)

[Selur]

And I believe it when I can reproduce it on my hardware. :D

Cu Selur