Nero Recode feature wish list

[JohnV]

Hi all. :)

Gimme your suggestions of new features you'd like to see in Recode.
I'll create a list of suggested new features here.

- Constant quality mode
- Manual bitrate adjustment (set bitrate exactly by hand)
- Audio gain adjustment (planned already)
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[temporance]

VfW wrapper for the video codec :D

[slavickas]

if possible VBR over all files in current task, like i drop ~20 mvidz and would get in total cd size

[Sharktooth]

Directshow, vfw or CLI interface for the codec...
ok, seriously... i hate recode.
But since i paid for it and there's someone who cares to improve it here's my suggestions:
- all the juicy (and necessary) things you already mentioned
- a convenient CLI field (like in divx codec) where ALL parameters could be manually changed in a single text box.
- remove the rotating nero digital logo (sorry but i hate moving things that eat CPU cycles...) or at least make it stoppable (maybe clicking over it?).
- stats window option (like xvid/divx) with customizable refresh rate.
- add external audio input (so more audio tracks can be added to the final mp4).
- mux only option (the ability to mux raw AVC, AAC, Subs, etc streams into an .MP4...)
- ... demux option ...
- output to .avi (for old style editing until there are some cool apps like virtualdub with .mp4 input/output...)
- frame markers for "cutting away" unneded parts (for example start and end frame...)
- start/end credits "overquantization" option (to reserve more bits when they're needed...)
- a nice anamorphic encode option.
- Customizable AR for badly mastered DVDs or sources. Pro's may still use avisynth but a complete product must have this option...
- integrated denoiser/sharpen filters so newbies who dont know how to use avisynth can use that for denoising or sharpening their sources... with preview...
- an advanced and wizard modes so beginners will not be scared by the tons of new stuff and pro's can customize everything.
- sliders for resize and "keep AR" option so the vertical or orizontal values are automatically adjusted.

Is that enaugh for now?

EDIT: i forgot to add a batch and persistent queue.

[acidsex]

as an indepedent film maker, DRM needs to be included for us. Right now I would say that is the ONLY edge MS has at thi point in the game. Thye may not have quality but they can protect content and revenue streams. Once ND incoporates at the very least 128 bit encryption (448bit would be even better), then ND will become more widely adopted then MS' lame offerings.

[Sharktooth]

DRM in windows media is "evil"... use google or search the forums to know why...
Remember, if you can see it you can copy it... there is no "perfect" way to protect things...

[Prettz]

First off, all the suggestions I give are from the perspective of a power user who likes to know all the internal technical stuff for the codec he's using.

Concerning the Nero Recode interface, the only problem is that the descriptions of the options under the "Visual Enhancement" screen are too vague. It would be nice if they either said outright what AVC encoder tools they correspond to (if they do correspond to specific encoder tools), or if they had descriptions next to them saying what the hell it is they do ("Psychovisual enhancements" being my only example here). Mouse-over tool tips would be fine too. Don't be afraid to get technical; at worst it will simply clue newbies in to the fact that they shouldn't be messing with options if they don't understand the jargon-laden descriptions for them. That said, all the options in all the other screens are just fine as they are; their names say exactly what they need to to tell me what they do.

As with every video codec, the more you open up the encoder to fine-tuning by experts, the better. I don't know if this is applicable to Nero's encoder, but control over the placement and bitrate allocation for consecutive I-frames like Xvid probably couldn't hurt. I'm also awaiting the ability to use custom quant matrices (or is that not a feature of the AVC profile Nero encodes for?)

Finally, it would really make my day if Recode was expanded slightly to be able to do some of the things VirtualDub/VDM can do, such as mux in multiple external audio tracks, set the video frame rate to match the audio length, and especially cut and join .mp4 files (with multiple audio tracks) without reencoding.

[acidsex]

Personally, I like the one option in Procoder that lets you que up say 10 files and stitch/join them together duting the encode. As it stands, Nero analyzes each files first and then encodes each file seperately. Still no way to bring all the files together in the end. :confused:

[daldrum]

I would also appreciate an option to save custom expert AVC settings.

Or a Set as default button would do.

[trevorharris]

Please can we have a frame rate converter. Many portable devices are best run at 15fps.

[Leo 69]

Separate Nero Codecpack :D

[bond]

i want that the dshow filters of nero are usable in dshow without the need for a nero tool (eg recode, showtime or whatever)!

this includes:
- chapters able to be usable not only in showtime
- subtitles able to be usable not only in showtime
- multiple audio streams output to be usable not only in showtime
- dshow encoder to be useable in graphedit (not only in recode/nve)

[Elias]

I would like a Nero Digital Codec Pack. This includes an mp4 splitter, Nero Digital Audio/Video vfw so that the Nero Audio and Video Codec can be used in programs like VirtualDub. Also, I'd like an mp4 file output like they had in DivX Pro 5.02 since VirtualDub can't save to mp4 as of now. The Codec pack should include ASP and AVC encoding, and everything else that is included in Nero Recode 2. Let's just face it, Nero Recode isn't a good encoding software; it's just that for now, it's the best one to encode fully compliant mp4 files with great quality. I'd also like the mp4 file output to be generic compatible, that is, able to input a DivX/XviD/3ivX and other kind of compliant MPEG-4 codecs for the video and audio to the mp4 fileformat as a fully compliant mp4 file following the MPEG-4 standard. I also want it to handle aac audio, which is something that DivX Pro couldn't. A Nero Digital Codec Pack would rule. People like me who only want to use the MPEG-4 encoding, and it's boring to install everything else (like the entire NeroVision suite, which takes 34 mb, when a Nero Digital Codec Pack would only take 10 mb at most, and we wouldn't have a superfluous bunch of software that we don't want). I mean, we have to have in mind that not everyone have high speed internet connections, most people still are under 56k etc. I'm not saying that you guys are doing a bad job, this is just a request list. For what it's worth, I've completely stopped using XviD/DivX etc and converted completely to Nero Digital since I don't want to encode to weird implementations of MPEG-4, I want to follow the standard :) Keep up the great work!

[Snollygoster]

I would like Full ISO compatibility for the MP4 container. That is ISO Subtitles and Chapters and not just a ND way of implementing them.

[Latexxx]

Reading multiple audio tracks and subtitles from single vob files which are on the hd.

[Sharktooth]

Maybe a Win64bit port too would be appreciated... :)

[Clock]

*)some sort of xvid-like first pass. So that I can see, how much space this encode would need if it were for full quality. Setting a bitrate without any reference-value seems tricky to me...
*)mux/demux all sort of stuff (multiple audio streams plus subtitles)
*)mouse-over tooltips
*)preview window (don't have a clue which effect deblocking will have, for example)

By the way: about when might we hope to see the first improvements?

However, big thanks for asking and maybe even caring.

Clock

[thegeby]

ISO subtitles

[Mr_Schizo]

-ISO subtitles and chapters
-Fix the slowdown of the AVC implentation in Recode (the cli encoder from ateme is so much faster than in recode)
-the possibility to use Ifo's+vob's (from the main movie) as Input (no need anymore for a complete DVD structure)
-don't translate Recode into german ;)

[Sharktooth]

another one: the possibility to set the output filename...

[Bluedan]

Originally posted by Snollygoster
I would like Full ISO compatibility for the MP4 container. That is ISO Subtitles and Chapters and not just a ND way of implementing them.

I know what you mean, but actually Nero is going ISO this way. They are making use of the private stream feature as described in the specs, so they don't break a standard.
Merely Neros DSFilter know how to handle these streams... so far. At least the subs are in unmodified VobSub format.

But I agree, subs should be TXTT (or BIFS), with the first being text based so it doesn't eat that much space (with BIFS I don't know). :)

[bond]

the subtitle stream in nero itself is not compliant to mpeg-4! only the way how to store it in .mp4 is! see the difference?
its like placing vorbis in mpeg-4 and than thinking that the audio stream is mpeg-4 compliant

basically the mpeg-4 standard is clear how subs are meant to be in .mp4 following mpeg-4: ttxt

[JohnV]

Originally posted by bond
the subtitle stream in nero itself is not compliant to mpeg-4! only the way how to store it in .mp4 is! see the difference?
its like placing vorbis in mpeg-4 and than thinking that the audio stream is mpeg-4 compliant
You have a weird comparison there.. In your case the .mp4 wouldn't be mpeg-4 compliant anymore. But using the private stream for subs, we still maintain mpeg-4 compliancy, unlike in your example.

But I agree it would be nicer to go for mpeg-4 subs as well, but I don't know if it's possible anymore for current specs. Maybe for future ND specs though.

[bond]

of course the .mp4 doesnt break the mpeg-4 standard, as the subs are stored in .mp4 as "private streams" as allowed by the mpeg-4 standard...
still the subtitle stream is not mpeg-4 compliant or would you say that an ac3 stream inside .mp4 is mpeg-4 compliant?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by bond
of course the .mp4 doesnt break the mpeg-4 standard, as the subs are stored in .mp4 as "private streams" as allowed by the mpeg-4 standard...
still the subtitle stream is not mpeg-4 compliant or would you say that an ac3 stream inside .mp4 is mpeg-4 compliant? Well try playing your "vorbis-audio mp4" with any mp4 compliant player.. That's what I mean..

[SeeMoreDigital]

Wow, I think everything I could think of for Recode2 "Mpeg4" encoding has already been mentioned...

But with regard to Recode2's "Mpeg2" encoding, I would really like to have the same settings in here as we have for Mpeg4.

I guess what I'm suggesting is an option that says: -

http://img188.exs.cx/img188/7221/recode2proposal3bx.gif


Cheers

EDIT: Image altered to avoid confusion

[bond]

Originally posted by JohnV
Well try playing your "vorbis-audio mp4" with any mp4 compliant player.. That's what I mean.. well try playing your vobsub-in-mp4 with any mp4 compliant player... that's what i mean.. ;)

[JohnV]

Originally posted by bond
well try playing your vobsub-in-mp4 with any mp4 compliant player... that's what i mean.. ;) Well.. chances are that your vorbis-audio mp4 stream doesn't play at all, but at least since our vobsubs are in private stream, video and audio always work and the stream always plays ok even without subs.

[bond]

Originally posted by JohnV
well.. chances are that your vorbis-audio mp4 stream doesn't play at allwrong, vorbis in mp4 would also be a private stream and a mp4 player (unless its heavily b0rked) not knowing vorbis (or vobsub) will simply ignore that stream, and play the ones it knows

lets say someone starts writing a tool placing SRT subs in .mp4, they would be the same way not compliant to mpeg-4 as the vobsubs, nero places in .mp4...

[SeeMoreDigital]

JohnV,

I guess you guys at NeroDigital could make the ShowTime Player, support/detect just about any stream combination including images in .MP4?


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

I'm wondering why i have not "Recode DVD and Videos to DVD" option in recode...
... tell me it's not a serial issue again ...

[Bluedan]

Bond, you rather refer to a mp4-system like player?

Anyway, what is the private stream definition for, if you DON'T put a stream/data inside which is not directly covered by the MPEG specs and cannot be played by system player?!

I mean it's only usefull for that one purpose,
and in this way intended, which means IMHO: specs conform.

EDIT: It's OT anyway, but that's the way I interpreted the MP4 FAQ regarding my 1st post.

[bond]

Originally posted by Bluedan
Bond, you rather refer to a mp4-system like player?no

Anyway, what is the private stream definition for, if you DON'T put a stream/data inside which is not directly covered by the MPEG specs and cannot be played by system player?!indeed

I mean it's only usefull for that one purpose,
and in this way intended, which means IMHO: specs conform.i repeat myself the third time:
the way how nero places vobsubs as private streams in mp4 is spec compliant, still this doesnt make vobsub a mpeg-4 compliant stream
i would also not say that a vorbis, SRT, SSA, realvideo, wmv9 or whatever stream in .mp4 is mpeg-4 compliant if they were placed as private stream in mp4 :rolleyes:

the mpeg-4 standard is clear on how to place subs in .mp4: mpeg-4 timed text (iso 14496-17) and nowhere mentions vobsubs...

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
I'm wondering why i have not "Recode DVD and Videos to DVD" option in recode...
... tell me it's not a serial issue again ... It's not real Recode2 option... It's one of my suggestions :D

I guess I made it look too real :eek:

EDIT: Another suggestion would be to make Recode2 a totally stand-alone product.


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

Oh jez... thanks...
A heartbrake was coming... again...

[acidsex]

How about the ability to use Huffy Lossless as the source. I cannot get Recode to work it at all.

[baer999]

I would like to have a Menu for the Nero Digital Codec. He should be playable on the next generation DVD Standalones and you should be able to build your own Menus as easy as possible !

[Bluedan]

sorry, OT again:
Originally posted by bond

the way how nero places vobsubs as private streams in mp4 is spec compliant, still this doesnt make vobsub a mpeg-4 compliant stream
i would also not say that a vorbis, SRT, SSA, realvideo, wmv9 or whatever stream in .mp4 is mpeg-4 compliant if they were placed as private stream in mp4 :rolleyes:


Yes, I got that point already.
But the dilemma is that then you cannot really tell if a let's say Recode produced mp4 containing subs (vobsubs) is _as_an_entire_file_ spec compliant or not, because the container itself is formed spec compliant, but at least one of the streams is not!!

Don't mistake me as impertinent, I'm not shouting! :)

[Broesel]

Being able to choose a different output-resolution for credits...
cheers,
broesel

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Bluedan
..But the dilemma is that then you cannot really tell if a let's say Recode produced mp4 containing subs (vobsubs) is _as_an_entire_file_ spec compliant or not, because the container itself is formed spec compliant, but at least one of the streams is not!! It's incorrect to describe MP4 files containing "private streams" as being "not spec compliant".

That said, it may be useful to have an MP4 tool that can scan the streams within the container to identify "private streams".

"Would that make people happy?"


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

Could you discuss the private stream elsewhere and leave this thread to the Nero Recode feature wish list plz?

[Bluedan]

Originally posted by Broesel
Being able to choose a different output-resolution for credits...
cheers,
broesel

Sure? I know variable frame rate is supported, but resolution??
I guess you mean bitrate.

I'd favour fixed quants instead for credits as in XVid.

[bond]

Originally posted by Bluedan
But the dilemma is that then you cannot really tell if a let's say Recode produced mp4 containing subs (vobsubs) is _as_an_entire_file_ spec compliant or notwell, i nowhere said that the entire file is not spec compliant...

[JohnV]

Originally posted by bond
wrong, vorbis in mp4 would also be a private stream and a mp4 player (unless its heavily b0rked) not knowing vorbis (or vobsub) will simply ignore that stream, and play the ones it knows
You didn't talk about private stream with vorbis. You talked about audio stream..
its like placing vorbis in mpeg-4 and than thinking that the audio stream is mpeg-4 compliant that's what I meant when I said it's not compliant anymore. Of course with private stream the .mp4 always remains compliant, but your example didn't suggest that.

[bond]

Originally posted by JohnV
You didn't talk about private stream with vorbis. You talked about audio stream.. you dont understand the concept of private streams!
you can place any stream (audio, video, text or whatever) in .mp4 as private stream! have a look at the gpac project, which that way also places vorbis and theora in .mp4, look at apple's itunes, which that way places their lossless audio codec in .mp4, all private streams...

[Bluedan]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
It's incorrect to describe MP4 files containing "private streams" as being "not spec compliant".
Originally posted by bond
well, i nowhere said that the entire file is not spec compliant...

My saying: You cannot decide it! One has to refer to the container format (which in this case is compliant)
OR the seperate streams (with Vobsub as a private streams in my exemple being non-compliant).
But this leads to nothing.
To me it's important that if a player finds a private stream it must not crash, the file must be playable even if the player is not able to show the stream (i.e. <ignore>)!

[JohnV]

Originally posted by bond
you dont understand the concept of private streams!
you can place any stream (audio, video, text or whatever) in .mp4 as private stream! have a look at the gpac project, which that way also places vorbis and theora in .mp4, look at apple's itunes, which that way places their lossless audio codec in .mp4, all private streams... Of course I understand. What are you thinking.. Your example just implied you use vorbis as mpeg4 audio stream (which of course doesn't work, and I know you know it, but your example implies this), not as private stream.. That's why I mean your example was not good, because you didn't even mention private stream in your example here: "its like placing vorbis in mpeg-4 and than thinking that the audio stream is mpeg-4 compliant"..

So your example implies that ND subs being a private stream is similar level of compliancy as vorbis being the audio stream of a .mp4, which is not so.

[bond]

Originally posted by JohnV
Your example just implied you use vorbis as mpeg4 audio stream (which of course doesn't work, and I know you know it, but your example implies this), not as private stream..lol, come on ;)

anyways, lets stop this it doesnt lead to anything

thegeby, Mr_Schizo have a wish for mpeg-4 timed text support and i add myself :)

[Sharktooth]

May i add myself too?

[Snollygoster]

I am now so happy that other people feel the same thing. Many of my friends who bother with video encoding think I am a weirdo wanting everything to be implemented the ISO way. Imagine 200 mp3 encoders out there implementing a different way to tag the audio file. Audio would still be mp3-iso but oh imagine the mess (btw something similar to that happened when mp4 audio -m4a- firstly appeared. everyone was implemeting tagging in their way and one couldn't tag his songs in the ISO way. Thankfully Apple dominated the market and everyone went the iTunes way).

[RadicalEd]

Though not strictly recode, this relates to showtime and the directshow filters: wouldn't it benefit Ahead to release a free splitter/decoder for ND? This would allow ND content to reach a wider userbase. Nobody is going to buy Nero just for splitters/decoders, so releasing free versions wouldn't really hurt the company. Just a suggestion.

I fully agree with opening up directshow encoders to external applications, as well. If full codec settings are included in the filter dialog, this would also solve the problem of supplying a more fully-featured UI without sacrificing usability.

[Elias]

-MPEG-4 compliant Subtitles.
-MPEG-4 compliant Chapters.
-MPEG-4 compliant Taging for *.mp4 files.
-Fix the HE AAC encoding bug in Recode 2 so that the sample rate won't be 24 kHz when you choose 48 kHz.
-Add a Monaural encoding mode in Recode 2.
-When encoding in Recode 2, with multiple audio streams, the second one doesn't work. Correct that too.
-Release a codec pack with MPEG-4 splitter, vfw codecs for MPEG-4 audio/video so we can encode to Nero Digital VirtualDub.
-In the same codec pack, an *.mp4 file creator output, that makes fully MPEG-4 compliant *.mp4 files out of any compliant MPEG-4 video/audio, not just Nero Digital.
-The Nero Digital Audio in VirtualDub is for fully MPEG-4 compatible AAC streams.
-The Nero Digital Video in VirtualDub is for fully MPEG-4 compatible video streams.
-A VirtualDub plugin that makes it possible to save to *.mp4 directly by using VirtualDub, so that we can ditch *.avi for good.
-Anamorphic resizing.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias

-Fix the HE AAC encoding bug in Recode 2 so that the sample rate won't be 24 kHz when you choose 48 kHz. There is no such bug. You probably are examining the stream with a software which doesn't take SBR into account. Try checking/playing the file in Foobar2000 and you'll see it's 48khz..

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
There is no such bug. You probably are examining the stream with a software which doesn't take SBR into account. Try checking/playing the file in Foobar2000 and you'll see it's 48khz.. I've checked every player I got being that I don't have Foobar2000 installed. They all say 24 kHz and it sounds like 24 kHz.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
I've checked every player I got being that I don't have Foobar2000 installed. They all say 24 kHz and it sounds like 24 kHz. Those players/decoders are not then decoding the SBR part. I just checked this and everything is fine here.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/foobar2000/foobar2000.exe

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
Those players/decoders are not then decoding the SBR part. I just checked this and everything is fine here.
http://www.saunalahti.fi/cse/foobar2000/foobar2000.exe Even mp4UI says 24 kHz

[kurt]

JohnV:

what do you think: would it be ever possible to use nero avc in VirtualDub(Mod)?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
Even mp4UI says 24 kHz Yes, because it doesn't take SBR into account...

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
Yes, because it doesn't take SBR into account... All right, just checked and it said 48 kHz. I was wrong then. But what about higher bitrates? And will there ever be a Nero Codec pack with vfw in VirtualDub? Not just AVC, but ASP too?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Elias
But what about higher bitrates? Higher bit-rates!

2Ch AAC-LC can be set between 16 - 448Kbps
2Ch AAC-HE can be set between 16 - 128Kbps

6Ch AAC-LC can be set between 192 - 640Kbps
6Ch AAC-HE can be set between 96 - 448Kbps

.... I think this is high enough really ;)


Cheers

[Leo 69]

@ Elias

Nope,there isn't such a bug.I always encode @ 48khz and it works fine!

@JohnV

Kiitoksia paljon Neron kehityksestä! Toivotan sulle hyvää vointia ja menestystä työssäsi :) !!!

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Higher bit-rates!

2Ch AAC-LC can be set between 16 - 448Kbps
2Ch AAC-HE can be set between 16 - 128Kbps

6Ch AAC-LC can be set between 192 - 640Kbps
6Ch AAC-HE can be set between 96 - 448Kbps

.... I think this is high enough really ;)


Cheers If that's the case, then AAC must be better than DTS since DTS can go much higher?

[Elias]

Originally posted by Leo 69
@ Elias

Nope,there isn't such a bug.I always encode @ 48khz and it works fine!

@JohnV

Kiitoksia paljon Neron kehityksestä! Toivotan sulle hyvää vointia ja menestystä työssäsi :) !!! I acknowledged my mistake ;)

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias

-When encoding in Recode 2, with multiple audio streams, the second one doesn't work. Correct that too.
I checked this earlier before the release and worked ok. I'll check again, but I'm really surprised if it doesn't work..

Edit. Yes, this works also fine...

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
I checked this earlier before the release and worked ok. I'll check again, but I'm really surprised if it doesn't work..

Edit. Yes, this works also fine... In what player did it work? MPC, QuickTime, VLC did NOT work here. But that was a an older version. I'll check again now.

Edit: nope, still ain't working.

[Elias]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Higher bit-rates!

2Ch AAC-LC can be set between 16 - 448Kbps
2Ch AAC-HE can be set between 16 - 128Kbps

6Ch AAC-LC can be set between 192 - 640Kbps
6Ch AAC-HE can be set between 96 - 448Kbps

.... I think this is high enough really ;)


Cheers I'd like to use the bitrate 224 kbit which isn't there. That's why I wanted higher bitrates.

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
In what player did it work? MPC, QuickTime, VLC did NOT work here. But that was a an older version. I'll check again now.

Edit: nope, still ain't working. In ShowTime it works. Other players may have problems, but can't help with that.

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
In ShowTime it works. Other players may have problems, but can't help with that. Well, when I extract the second audio file from mp4UI, it's 0 kb. Do you want me to send you the file so you can have a look at it?

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
Well, when I extract the second audio file from mp4UI, it's 0 kb. Do you want me to send you the file so you can have a look at it? First try with ShowTime. mp4UI probably has problem also here..

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
First try with ShowTime. mp4UI probably has problem also here.. Nope, ain't working in ShowTime either. Speaking of ShowTime, why don't I get any picture whatsoever? The sound is always working, but never the picture :(

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Elias
If that's the case, then AAC must be better than DTS since DTS can go much higher? You can't compare AAC to AC3 or even DTS using bit-rate alone... AAC is a "high compression" codec!

Your comment is like trying to compare: MP3 to WAV, or Mpeg4 to Mpeg2, or Mpeg2 to DV.avi, or DV.avi to DigiBeta :(


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Elias, you have managed to hijack this thread and are discussing problems that have been discussed and explained in other threads!

Please, have a search round or start a new thread listing all your problems/grievances!


Cheers

[Mindphaser]

I wish an pause or break in encoding with possibility to continue next day or some later. When I used VDubMod or ateme encoder with CLI, I could to use hibernate mode. But in Nero Recode hibernate mode is locked. Would you make it unlocked or maybe you can release other possibilities to stop and off the PC and continue encoding after power on?
And second wish... I find Nero Recode more comfortable to recode DVDs without avisynth, because in that case it can extract sound tracks, chapters and subtitles. But when it is needed to use some filters and to use avs file as input, in that case sound and others created manually :( Maybe it is possible to insert avs script between DVD parser and AVC encoder? With preview. I mean

DVD -> Nero DVD parser -> video -> avisynth script -> Nero AVC encoder
\-> sound, chapters, subs etc
It would be great :D

[Shapierian]

I'd like to see:
-An LPF option for audio
-Better Autocrop logic (On dark videos i've been getting some really strange crops)
-A cropping dialog that doesn't crash when you change the frame displayed (C'mon guys even flask can do this)
-Remove crashes closing the config dialog

[greggerm]

"Continue Later and Exit"
Fantastic idea Mindphaser, and it's one I was looking for as well. Due to the real long encode times that AVC can bring us, I'm finding the computer is spending some "on" time overnight. This tends to upset the girlfriend, who wonders why the computer is on while "nobody is using it". She compares her electric bills before there was a computer in the house, and after we moved in together (*with computer in tow).

Being able to "Continue Later and Exit" would make a great addition. I've never used Hibernate on my PC, but if that could accomplish the same thing, well, I'd look at that too.

Type-In Bitrates
While the slider works OK, it would be far easier to have an additional field where one could type in the desired bitrate (for one or ALL jobs in the queue) rather than slide. I find that to be a quicker, more efficient way of setting up my jobs. Sliders are good for the complete beginner, but I know where I want my bitrate to be. :)

Network/Distributed Encoding
As mentioned previously, having some sort of network encode option would also be nice. I have a HTPC in addition to my desktop computer, and I'm sure using the spare processing power of my HTPC to encode would help make things go MUCH faster.

~fin~

[DeathTheSheep]

MUX raw streams

DEMUX raw streams

VFW/AVI implementation for editing and ease of portability.

Better B-frame handling (encoder side/decoder side). Current implementation creates terrible blocking at low bitrates with B-frames. Just look at *any* objective observation at encodes of 100-600kbps.

Type in bitrates.

Quality Mode

That's about all.

[hubereevez]

please

"support the extra compression of credits"

i did : 7 Mo for 20 min

But cannot join movie and credits without shoppy playing

thanks

hubert

[plonk420]

i second these:
- mux (multi) audio, video, subs
- demux (a la mp4 tool box)
- start/end credits "overquantization" option (like XviD zone weight)
- optional subtitles in DShow players outside of Showtime. audio tracks would be nice, too, but mainly just subs.
- Network/Distributed Encoding (wishful thinking; doubt we'll ever see it, but it would be nice *fantasizes*)


i *don't* second these:
- VfW wrapper for the video codec (we're trying to ween mpeg-4 OFF of AVI, remember? most (or a majority that i've seen) of AVC encodes have been outputed to MP4. to encode to AVI or convert back to AVI is a step back IMO)
- DRM


and here's a new one (i think) .. but again i don't see this one being implemented
- Video source from AVS; audio, subtitles from the DVD structure
or better yet
- AVISynth plugins and/or similar scripting interface to allow for complex deinterlacing and the like


on another note, could the OT posts be split? mods have no prob splitting/moving *other* threads...


Originally posted by Sharktooth
DRM in windows media is "evil"... use google or search the forums to know why...
Remember, if you can see it you can copy it... there is no "perfect" way to protect things...

exactly. Dawn of the Dead WMV9 720p tlr nor my Experience XP (or whatever) DVD with a ton of DRM protected videos either no longer work or never DID work.

[sbp]

I would like to be able to use the encoder from other applications - for me it would be real-time capture from my TV-card.
/Steen

[thegeby]

It would be very nice for us expats to be able to mux .sup or .srt subtitle files into a ND MP4.....:)

[bond]

i want an option to choose what tool i want to install with in the nve package to reduce the bloatery a little bit

and the most important thing:
i want a tool that does cutting AND joining of mp4 files!

Originally posted by thegeby
It would be very nice for us expats to be able to mux .sup or .srt subtitle files into a ND MP4.....:) if you want text based subtitles use the subtitle format defined in mpeg-4
mp4box can already mux these subs (eg convert from .srt)

[thegeby]

if you want text based subtitles use the subtitle format defined in mpeg-4
Just to clarify, what I would like is ISO as a final aim, but first muxing external .sup subpicture files (i.e. not on the dvd), which I think are already used by ND, into the resulting mp4 container.

[IgorC]

More flexible deblocking filter.
last time i´ve ripped some DVD , deblocking -3 was smooth and -4 was blocky. maybe -3.5 will be optimal.

[acidsex]

Personally, I would like some way to pass through the video while Recode does the audio encoding. In other words, I could create a H264 stream from my NLE (which doesnt have access to Nero codecs) and just pass through the video while Recode encodes the audio and muxes to the .mp4 container. That would be sweet.

[DeathTheSheep]

I suppose it would be rather cool, but it's also a rather simple matter to rip out the audio, code it, stuff it back in. Just a few clicks with MP4UI and nero wave editor.

[Elias]

29.970 FPS ---> 23.976 FPS
29.970 FPS ---> 24.000 FPS
29.970 FPS ---> 25.000 FPS
29.970 FPS ---> 29.970 FPS
25.000 FPS ---> 24.000 FPS
etc, you get the point: FPS increase/decrease in recode 2.

[acidsex]

Originally posted by DeathTheSheep
I suppose it would be rather cool, but it's also a rather simple matter to rip out the audio, code it, stuff it back in. Just a few clicks with MP4UI and nero wave editor.

I havent tried it for about a month, but the last time I tried to stuff AVC and HE-AAC into mp4 using mp4ui it didnt work. Has that changed?

[Morte66]

A $150 PCI encoder/decoder card, wrapped in a codec, that encodes H.264 about as fast as an Athlon 3500. Bus-mastering DMA. Patchable firmware. No need for I/O on the back panel.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by acidsex
I havent tried it for about a month, but the last time I tried to stuff AVC and HE-AAC into mp4 using mp4ui it didnt work. Has that changed? Not really!

mp4UI still struggles with Mpeg4/AVC .AVI content. And although it can mux AAC-HE content very well, it can't manage to enable/flag the "HE" ident in ShowTime player :(

But it sounds like Markus is thinking about upgrading mp4UI with the latest mpeg4ip code :)


Cheers

[acidsex]

Does VLC mux Nero AVC with HE-AAC? I thought I saw in the mp4 container FAQ that it did mux AVC.

[Tuesday]

Just my 2p:

During the installer, when you select which file formats for Nero to take control of i would like a "Deselect All" button, to complement the "Select All" one, its not much but would ne nice :)

And i would like to "+1" for:

-Some kind of zoning to kill the bitrate of credits
-To be able select a pre-encoded audio track without re-encoding
-No spinny logo
-A free Decoder package ala the Matroska packs

[Elias]

More bitrate options in Nero Recode; I've found some missing, like 224, 384, 512, 576, 640.

[plonk420]

Originally posted by Elias
More bitrate options in Nero Recode; I've found some missing, like 224, 384, 512, 576, 640.

you can get close enough, tho.. does it matter THAT much to you?

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
mp4UI still struggles with Mpeg4/AVC .AVI content. And although it can mux AAC-HE content very well, it can't manage to enable/flag the "HE" ident in ShowTime playerhe-aac can also be detected when not explicitely signalled in .mp4! actually thats what eg all faad2 based decoders do (eg coreaac and surely nero too...)

[Elias]

Originally posted by plonk420
you can get close enough, tho.. does it matter THAT much to you? You know, there's a proverb that goes like this: "Close doesn't shoot any rabbit." In other words; close isn't enough. And yeah, to me it matters :)

[DeathTheSheep]

I havent tried it for about a month, but the last time I tried to stuff AVC and HE-AAC into mp4 using mp4ui it didnt work. Has that changed?

Absolutely not. True, you can't manipulate AVC video at all with MP4UI.

However, after the file has been created with recode with the AVC track already "stuffed in," you can import/export the audio track seperately, as long as you leave the video track alone. Works like a charm--I just tried it!


Basically, what I'm saying is, you don't have to pass through the video at all. Just rip out the audio, code it, and stick it back in with MP4ui, without modifying the video at all. Oh, Wave Editor is the best Nero Digital audio encoder out there, y'all. ;-)

Peace out, y'all.

[Sagittaire]

My proposition for Recode (Nero user with Siemssen ... :D )

Video improuvement
- Pre-process filter for direct DVD backup (simple denoiser for exemple)
- Credit encoding part (MPEG4 ASP/AVC doesn't like credit. We must choose the quant/quality for credit part: it's very important for average bitrate on film part)
- choose ratio/offset for bframe (too high by default for me with Nero ASP)

Audio improuvement
- VBR for HE-AAC and LC-AAC
- Quality preset like Nero Burning Room
- Perhabs ABR 2 pass mode for AAC like WMA9 Pro

[vsv]

Authoring tool for creating HDAVC with HE-AAC, subtitles and menu,
based on Bond's SW bt script:)
This HDAVC content on CD/DVD with freely distributed player as mpc
must kill WMVHD-DVD!

[LRDX]

Ability to merge titles while recoding to ND - like in "Remake a DVD". (Try recoding LOTR ROTK Extended.. Didnt managed to do it without loosing something - a bit of quality by an anthoner recoding step before recoding to ND, or chapters info / subtitles by using AviSynth to merge..)
Variable bitrates for audio (like in "Encode audio files" - if not, pls have this program to open AC3 files :) ) Encoding audio could be done before encoding video.. Or are there any barriers before a AVC + (2+)x VBR HE-AAC (+subs +chapter +etc)?
More options controlling audio compression: example: Sampling freq (Don't know why pursing 48kHz instead of 44,1kHz.. No one hears in the range of 22-24kHz, and needs ~5-10% more of bits..) / No. of channels / normalizing / gain / etc.
Chapters info not stored in a private way, but MPEG-4 way.
TTXT subtitles (Either via OCR-ing VobSub-s, or via importing SRT/SUB/etc. files)
More audio/subtitle streams.
Encode start/end credits to lower bitrates.
AVC high profile

Menus are also welcome, but I feel it cannot be done withing weeks.
Multiplexing is not a feature I wish to see in Recode, but in a separate tool - Right now, one is buggy as hell, anthoner lacks AVC support..

[xistan]

Originally posted by Elias
You know, there's a proverb that goes like this: "Close doesn't shoot any rabbit." In other words; close isn't enough. And yeah, to me it matters :)

Off topic, but i think the (swedish) proverb including the rabbit actually translates into Close but no cigar in proper english.

[Elias]

Originally posted by xistan
Off topic, but i think the (swedish) proverb including the rabbit actually translates into Close but no cigar in proper english. Probably :)

[Andrey]

Finally I'm in :)
>>- add external audio input (so more audio tracks can be added to
>>the final mp4).
>>- start/end credits "overquantization" option (to reserve more
>>bits when they're needed...)
Vote for this two with both hands !!!
Also, it would be nice if player will support 2 audio tracks playing sperately AND simultaneously as option. (or I'm too stupid and it is implemeted already ?)
EDIT:
And any cutting/joining tool will be greatly appreciated, of course !

[Wishbringer]

- menues in .mp4-container, e.g. an option to "Recode whole DVD to Nero Digital"
- vbr/abr 2x pass for aac

[Andrey]

>>- vbr/abr 2x pass for aac
Seems to be useleess, try to find Ivan post about 2 pass aac benefits on hydrogenaudio.
He told that rate control quality will not raise with 2 pass encode.

[sillKotscha]

I'd wish to be able to enter a desired filesize below 30MB :)

it's stated: - something like that - "enter your own filesize"

but recode won`t accept anything below 30MB...

esp. usefull for testing avc with clips < 2min

a 2min videoclip with an expected size of 30mb does look fantastic, no question ;) - but what if I'd like to squeeze that clip down to e.g. 2mb

thanks in advance

Sill

[Elias]

Originally posted by sillKotscha
I'd wish to be able to enter a desired filesize below 30MB :)

it's stated: - something like that - "enter your own filesize"

but recode won`t accept anything below 30MB...

esp. usefull for testing avc with clips < 2min

a 2min videoclip with an expected size of 30mb does look fantastic, no question ;) - but what if I'd like to squeeze that clip down to e.g. 2mb

thanks in advance

Sill Just uncheck the "fit to target" and choose whatever size you want for the output. Speaking of bitrates. I want a more precise bitrate slider. When I choose for example, the average VCD bitrate of 1150 for video, it always becomes something like 1143 and the output filesize is always somewhat inaccurate from what the Recode GUI says. And what's up with the audio? Why does it never become exactly 192 kbit but 191.6 or something like that instead? Isn't it CBR? And a manual bitrate input would be great, with no slider or anything like that. Thanks!

[JohnV]

Originally posted by Elias
And what's up with the audio? Why does it never become exactly 192 kbit but 191.6 or something like that instead? Isn't it CBR? No it's not strict CBR. There's some bit reservour so it's ABR although the bitrate shouldn't fluctuate too much.

[Elias]

Originally posted by JohnV
No it's not strict CBR. There's some bit reservour so it's ABR although the bitrate shouldn't fluctuate too much. Well in that case, I got another wish for this list :) The ability to choose between CBR/VBR/ABR.

[sillKotscha]

Originally posted by Elias
Just uncheck the "fit to target" and choose whatever size you want for the output.

lovely :)

thanks for the hint!

[Elias]

The ability to crop between 1 pixels, not just two pixels.

[Manao]

elias : it is not possible, resolution must be at least dividable by two, because the chroma is subsampled ( there is one pixel of chroma for every 2x2 pixels of luma ).

[Elias]

Originally posted by Manao
elias : it is not possible, resolution must be at least dividable by two, because the chroma is subsampled ( there is one pixel of chroma for every 2x2 pixels of luma ). How come it works in VirtualDub then?

[Manao]

You converted the video in RGB ( because virtual dub's filters work in RGB only ), then cropeed, before encoding it in by converting it back to YV12. And the resolution after cropping & resizing had to be dividable by 2.

[Leo 69]

So, what major changes are going to be made to the next NVE release, JohnV ?
Will there be AVC High-Profile, for example ? :)

Leo

[Ariakis]

Importing chapter timestamps from some sort of formatted list, or maybe directly from an .ifo file.

Also, a progress bar instead of a buffer bar that remains empty for hours. :D

[bond]

Originally posted by Ariakis
Importing chapter timestamps from some sort of formatted list, or maybe directly from an .ifo file. good idea!

[billou2k]

One thing that'd be good is to get the support of interlaced encoding soon :)
I've seen a request earlier in that thread about getting a scripting language to allow complex deinterlacing...

But there is nothing wrong with interlacing! If the source is interlaced then encode it interlaced! If you want to play it on a progressive screen then it is up to the software/hardware to handle the deinterlacing to 50/60fps. (deinterlacing to 25fps in my opinion just ruins the fluid motion of the video).

[JohnV]

Originally posted by billou2k
One thing that'd be good is to get the support of interlaced encoding soon :)
I've seen a request earlier in that thread about getting a scripting language to allow complex deinterlacing...

But there is nothing wrong with interlacing! If the source is interlaced then encode it interlaced! If you want to play it on a progressive screen then it is up to the software/hardware to handle the deinterlacing to 50/60fps. (deinterlacing to 25fps in my opinion just ruins the fluid motion of the video). I hope we can include interlaced encoding soon. Technically it is ready now.

[billou2k]

Great News!

[video]

- encoded (AAC) audio softer by approx 8dB than the original AC3 one.

- a stand alone ND player would be great. People who'd like to watch only ND movies, probably don't want to have the whole VE3 package.

[robguy]

I would like NeroVision to allow a user the option of invoking Recode from within NeroVision if a DVD is a little too large to fit on a 4.7GB single-layer disk ... rather than merely offering to make the DVD an LP-quality product.

The only other choice is to rip the too-large DVD to the hard drive, then start Recode to slim down the size of the DVD. This approach is twice as labor-intensive as it ought to be (you have to rip twice).

Just my 2 pennies' worth.

[Elias]

All right, I've done some testing and it's clearly a bug of some sort. As far as MPEG-4 ASP goes, it has some serious problems with quality output because of incorrect output size. I've always had 2-3 mb differences from what the bitrate calculator says in the Nero Recode 2 GUI, but this was just too much. In the GUI, it said 76 mb, and the output becomes 69 mb, and it looks really bad. Then I encoded with XviD at the same bitrate, without b-frames/GMC, and it looked great! Then I tried Nero Digital AVC and it looked almost lossless and it actually became 76 mb. But the playback was pretty... well, not good. It might be my computer? Does AVC require a lot more computer power? By the way, there's no quality difference if I choose b-frames/gmc/psychovisual etc in Nero Recode... it still looks the same as when I don't choose 'em.

[TPoise]

My Nero Recode Wish List:


Standalone Codecs for things I encode with. These codecs should allow people to play my videos with WMP or whatever they choose.
Stop/Start Points for recoding the main DVD video (while keeping the menus) so I can delete the credits in order to have a better compression ratio.
Manually setting the bitrate
Allowing us to see the bitrate would be good too
A Menu Editor a'la MenuEdit (http://maxt.dk/dvd9.to.dvd5/dvd9.to.dvd5.cce.opv.14.jpg) so we can change links to stripped out Bonus Materials to NOPs
Allow more than 2 passes.
Allow for a short "preview" of the recode process. E.G., I can recode 30 secs worth at a selected compression ratio and I can view it against an uncompressed version so I can adjust the ratio for the entire movie based on that quality.

[LiFe]

Why do silly people always want more than two passes?

IMO, if the software isn't smart enough to glean all required info in 2 passes, it isn't fit for use. What can it possibly calculate on the 3rd or 4th pass, that it could've calculated on the 1st and 2nd pass?

LiFe.

[Elias]

Originally posted by LiFe
Why do silly people always want more than two passes?

IMO, if the software isn't smart enough to glean all required info in 2 passes, it isn't fit for use. What can it possibly calculate on the 3rd or 4th pass, that it could've calculated on the 1st and 2nd pass?

LiFe. I don't know, but multipass seems to be a good thing. I seriously doubt that 2pass encoding is MPEG-4 at its best.

[Sharktooth]

I seriously doubt multipass helps quality unless you get oversizes or undersizes.
But the nerodigital rate control (both asp and avc) seems quite accurate and doesnt need Nth passes.

[Shapierian]

The installer could use some work, how about a select none option for file associations and possibly an install recode only option.

[TPoise]

And a de-noiser would be great too for cleaning up those DVDXCopy rips :)

[IgorC]

avisynth has a big collection of denoisers.

[musicnyman]

i don't see batch encoding in the new version that came out on the 19th.

any release date for that? or did i miss it somewhere. if it's not currently available, does anyone have any way of batch encoding using recode2 currently?

thanks

[acidsex]

Batch encoding in recode is simple. You add the video and select your settings and bit rates, and repeat for new videos and then start encoding.

Personally, I would like to see an option to apply attributes to all selected files. For example, if I want to encode 10 seperate videos with various resolutions to a specific resolution, I have to manually adjust each file's settings. Being able to apply one resolution to all selected files would be awesome.

Again, it would be nice to add a video and audio pass through where one or the other does not get encoded but just muxed. I have some old Xvid encodes with AC3 and still want to keep the Xvid quality but use HE-AAC and mux together. But currently, Id have to either rip the ac3, decode, encode, and remux or encode both xvid/ac3 and let recode mux. QT allows pass through, I just Recode would.

edit: Oh yeah, being able to stitch together multiple files would be nice as well like Procoder 2 does. Id even buy the program a second time around for these features I mentioned.

[musicnyman]

Originally posted by musicnyman
i don't see batch encoding in the new version that came out on the 19th.

any release date for that? or did i miss it somewhere. if it's not currently available, does anyone have any way of batch encoding using recode2 currently?

thanks

thanks, but i've been looking everywhere for this option and can't find it. i just have next and it begins encoding the main movie and that's it. when i try and import a new dvd on the first screen, it just overwrites the last one i imported etc...

you talking about nerovision xpress?

i have version 2.2.6.16 of recode2.

thanks for your help.

[musicnyman]

i see what you're saying now. instead of encoding main movie to nero digital, select "convert dvds to nero digital" and you can import multiple titles from multiple dvds.

and i see how you can't define encoding preferences for each movie... but it's better than doing them one by one :) i'd like to add some kind of batch process in the "main movie" part of recode2, so you can add say 10 movies that have different encoding variables and kick them off overnight.

thanks,

[billou2k]

what about the interlaced encoding feature? Is it gonna come soon?

[ChronoCross]

Things I'd like to see

-raw h264 output (since I use other programs to encode audio and demuxing mp4 is just another time consuming step)
-Speed enahancements as always(2fps with no avisynth filters is not my idea of fun)
-Alternate container muxing support(mkv and OGM)

That's all I can think of atm.

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by ChronoCross
-Alternate container muxing support(mkv and OGM)
... mp4 is the ideal and standardized container for both Mpeg4 audio and video.
MKV and OGM are not supported by standalones (and have problems with AVC) and since Nero is pushing for standalones compatibility i think they wont be supported at all...
Face it, MP4 is THE way to go.

[ChronoCross]

@sharktooth

If we always went with the industry standard we wouldn't have xvid now would we =D.

[AlexeyS]

That's what I want to see in Nero Recode:
- VfW version
- DVD-like menus
- feature to add some external audio tracks (for example remove MP3 track and add AC3 audio track).
- some very good decoder for Windows. I can view .mp4 videos only with Nero ShowTime now. Other players have problems with playing this videos sometimes.

[LiFe]

Originally posted by ChronoCross
@sharktooth

If we always went with the industry standard we wouldn't have xvid now would we =D.

How do you figure? Xvid complies very closely to MPEG-4 ASP standard.

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by ChronoCross
@sharktooth

If we always went with the industry standard we wouldn't have xvid now would we =D.
Why? Xvid is following an industry standard called MPEG-4.

[Soulhunter]

Originally posted by Sharktooth

Why? Xvid is following an industry standard called MPEG-4.

*cough* except this little divx invention... >.< *cough*


Bye

[musicnyman]

in recode2, and using "encode main movie", any way to combine the titles that are on the dvd to one mp4 file instead of 4 or 5?

so right now, recode2 is taking my dvd which has 4 titles on it, and creating 4 mp4 files. i'd like to have just one big mp4 file instead.

[Richard Berg]

*cough* except this little divx invention... >.< *cough*
I still don't understand your point. So long as Xvid is MPEG-4 compliant, it doesn't matter how popular it is in relation to its peers.

My wish list can be summed up like so: if you're not going to offer standard vfw or dshow codecs that can be used from any application, then you need to match their features yourself. That means you need VDub's speed and flexibility (e.g. direct stream copy; full processing w/ plugin interface; advanced, scriptable job control), VDubMod's Avisynth editor window, VirtualVCR's capture prowess w/ audio resynch, SageTV's program guide & recommendation engine, Sony Vegas' multitrack editing interface, and so on.

Sound like too much work? Well, you know the alternative :)

[Soulhunter]

Originally posted by Richard Berg

I still don't understand your point. So long as Xvid is MPEG-4 compliant, it doesn't matter how popular it is in relation to its peers.

Erm, seems you got me wrong here... :\

My comment refers to XviD's packed-bitstream option!


Bye

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Soulhunter
Erm, seems you got me wrong here... :\

My comment refers to XviD's packed-bitstream option!Hello me old mate ;)

In what way is this a problem?


Cheers

[Soulhunter]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital

Hello me old mate ;)

In what way is this a problem?

Erm, in a "non MPEG4 compliant bitstream" way?

Or is packed-bitstream spec compliant?


Bye

[bond]

Originally posted by Soulhunter
[B]Erm, in a "non MPEG4 compliant bitstream" way?

Or is packed-bitstream spec compliant?plz not again :rolleyes:

its a borderline case, some say its spec compliant, some say its not (eg bill may from mpeg4ip or michael niedermayer from ffmpeg)

fact is, afaik, that a mpeg-4 decoder doesnt handle playing packed bitstreams correctly by default, but has especially be adopted to do so
also a fact is that if you simply dump the frames of a packed bitstream avi to raw, that you will get a spec compliant, but a crappy/unuseable one (as there are lots of n-vops in it, which dont belong there)

[SeeMoreDigital]

......And according to the guys at XviD. Packed bit-stream was introduced to us all by... DivX: -

http://img193.echo.cx/img193/7641/xvidpackedbitstream1bt.gif


Cheers

[AlexeyS]

JohnV, can I ask few questions about Nero AVC developing?

Do you plan to make Nero Digital AVC free decoder? I think all codecs must have it to become popular.

Do you plan to make normal GUI for creating DVD-like menus? And will Nero ShowTime play this menus?

Do you plan to make VFW version of Nero AVC encoder?

[midnightsun]

my wish list would be:

ability to set the DAR directly (as far as I know, there's no way to set the correct DAR within Recode if you import an avisynth script containing non-square-pixelled material);

ability to import additional and external audio streams and subtitles.

simple as that ;)

[JohnV]

Originally posted by AlexeyS
JohnV, can I ask few questions about Nero AVC developing?

Do you plan to make Nero Digital AVC free decoder? I think all codecs must have it to become popular.

Do you plan to make normal GUI for creating DVD-like menus? And will Nero ShowTime play this menus?

Do you plan to make VFW version of Nero AVC encoder? Yes, the plan is to release Free Nero Digital -package, which is a smaller package for encoding and playing. At least AVC decoding should be totally free without time or other restrictions.
Anyway, this is the plan, but not completely official yet, since it's not out.. We said at NAB Las Vegas, that it's gonna be out at the end of May, but I think it depends on many things.

Menus.. can't say anything at this point.
VFW version is not planned afaik.

[Sharktooth]

That is a fantastic news! Thanks for the info JohnV.

[LRN]

feature/bugfix wish list:
1) More stability
2) fix DirectX blocking (can't run DirectX-based applications and Recode simultaneously)
3) Continue recoding from same place, if process was interrupted (stopped)
4) capability to enter sleep mode while recode in process
5) Do not crush on bad files/end-of-free-space errors etc. (at least show abort/retry dialog)
6) Fix "Pause" button. It don't work really ;)
7) (from the field of SciFi) Make encoder through DirectShow or VFW, to use with VirtualDub etc.

[musicnyman]

nero,

are you guys looking at making batch encoding available through the "main movie" option of recode2?

thanks,

[Sharktooth]

feature request:
external audio import (ac3, mp3, ogg -> aac)
external subtitles import (ttxt or vobsubs)
external chapter list import
ttxt subtitles support for nero decoder/splitter & showtime

[Capirossi]

feature request :
VFR rv10 like :D

[bobmaster]

I would like to see:

- Abality to save a project (to encode later) once all the crop/resize/video/audio settings are done.
*Will help incase Recode Crashes
*Also the saved project files could be used in some sort of batch mode

- When encoding files do 1 file at a time. Rather than all the first pass then all the second pass.
*Will help if the program crashes (wont lose as much time/work)

- Save 1st Pass log files
*Not that important, will just be intresting.

- Not crashing/freeze when it hits a "bad frame".


Thank You.

[dvd_maniac]

When is the faster AVC encoding going to be implemented?

Is this an Ateme liscence issue or is there a technical problem with it ATM?

[sigmaris]

I'd like to see:
-support for adding external audio files
-some kind of "constant quantizer" or "constant quality" mode for the video encoder.
-ability to apply the same resize/crop settings to all videos in a batch
-VFR support e.g. by dropping (near-)duplicate frames
-ability to use the encoder via DirectShow (I don't care so much for VFW as i understand there are problems using it with b-frames etc.)

I notice the "Nero Digital AVC Video Enc" filter can already be used as an encoder in GraphEdit but it only seems to output MPEG-4 ASP, also there's no quality settings.

[3ngel]

- Possibility to encode WH sizes that doesn't fit mod16

for example 1024*424. At the moment it scales down to 1024 * 416 no matter what settings of crop or resize i use. I think this a serious limitation, that could be solved with a mechanism of pad & crop (that is auto-adding black border up to 432 to be mod16 compliant and then strip down in playing phase).
I'm very waiting for it :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

I don't know whether this has been requested before but...

When using ShowTime player's "Use SPDIF" output option, could 6Ch AAC be trancoded to DolbyDigital?


Cheers

[lazyn00b]

My big wish: an AVC profile to generate HD-DVD compliant output (i.e. proper GOP length, pulldown(?) flags applied to 24fps film content, AC3 passed through instead of re-encoded to AAC, etc.)

So far the only tool I know of that does these things is DVD Studio Pro 4, which is Mac only, and supposedly conforms to v. 0.9 of HD-DVD standard. Also, it looks like HD-DVD format burned onto regular DVD-5 is going to be "kosher", so we don't have to wait for actual HD-DVD discs/burners to start experimenting.

Same thing goes for Blu-Ray - I know I saw somewhere that Nero was demonstrating Blu-Ray support at a trade show, so why not let us have a taste?

[bond]

Originally posted by lazyn00b
[B]My big wish: an AVC profile to generate HD-DVD compliant output (i.e. proper GOP length, pulldown(?) flags applied to 24fps film content, AC3 passed through instead of re-encoded to AAC, etc.) afaik normal ac3 isnt part of hd-dvd

[lazyn00b]

Well I know that the spec says "Dolby Digital Plus", but according to Dolby, that will be compatible with existing AV receivers, so it's not too much of a stretch to assume that regular AC-3 will work in its place. Also I'm pretty sure (but not 100%) that Apple's encoder is just generating regular Dolby Digital (they call it "Pro", but I don't think that means anything).

[Sharktooth]

Specs are not definitive though, and it seems sony is winning the battle...

[lazyn00b]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Specs are not definitive though, and it seems sony is winning the battle...

For the physical discs, yeah, but most of the reports I've seen seem to suggest that HD-DVD will end up being the content format, if a compromise does indeed take place.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Specs are not definitive though, and it seems sony is winning the battle...

Originally posted by lazyn00b
For the physical discs, yeah, but most of the reports I've seen seem to suggest that HD-DVD will end up being the content format, if a compromise does indeed take place. But whether either of the high-def formats will become a big a world-wide hit as std-def DVD, is very debateable ;)


Cheers

[Sharktooth]

well... with those capacities they can store hi-def MPEG-2 movies without the need of AVC...
Infact AVC is capable of storing HD content in the same space (if not less) of actual DVDs.

[superdump]

I don't know if it's been mentioned but merging of multiple input files into one output file would be good. Also ordering buttons so that you can order input files correctly for the above purpose.

This probably has been mentioned and I've mentioned it before but it still hasn't been done so I'll say it again... ***a bit rate input box so you can type in exact video bit rates***.

That's all I can think of at this moment but I think there was some other stuff I thought of.

[lazyn00b]

Originally posted by Sharktooth
Infact AVC is capable of storing HD content in the same space (if not less) of actual DVDs.

Exactly, that's why I'd love to experiment with HD-DVD/Blu-Ray compliant software: I'll probably never buy a blank HD-DVD-R or BD-RW (too expensive!), but I sure do look forward to backing up a 2 hour HDTV show to DVD-R without losing resolution, or maybe a nice quality backup of LOTR:ROTK on one DVD.

Secondly, I just can't wait for some hardware players to come out that support a *real* standard - not this mess you find today in the doom9 player forum with all these half-baked proprietary "profiles" and everybody scouring for firmwares to support this or that little thing that doesn't work like it should. I've got a DVP-642 sitting right here that I've used maybe 5 times total because its so flaky.

[Selur]

"or maybe a nice quality backup of LOTR:ROTK on one DVD."
3DVD ROTK => 1DVD should even be possible now with Xvid
(normaly 1/3 of the average MPEG bitrate as Xvid average bitrate delivers nice quality)

[Elias]

3GPP/MPEG-4 Timed Text (like MP4Box and QuickTime), and anamorphic aspect ratio encoding (like XviD, both pixel and display, PAR/DAR). Since MPEG-4 Timed Text is text based, it will take much less space than DVD subtitles which are picture based, and MPEG-4 Timed Text is MPEG-4 compliant (as opposed to DVD subtitles). Also, the fourCC (I don't know if it's fourCC in mp4) tx3g should be used since it has higher compatibility. Although, it would be cool if it was optional to use the MPEG-4 Timed Text fourCC. A "Direct Stream Copy/Pass Through" option would be cool too, like QuickTime Pro/VirtualDub. Since GPAC MP4Box is open source, it shouldn't be hard to implement this, you can just check out the source code :) ----> http://gpac.sourceforge.net/index.php

[slavickas]

Originally posted by Elias
Since GPAC MP4Box is open source, it shouldn't be hard to implement this, you can just check out the source code :) ----> http://gpac.sourceforge.net/index.php
that way we would have gpl recode ;)

[Sharktooth]

Originally posted by Elias
... and anamorphic aspect ratio encoding (like XviD, both pixel and display, PAR/DAR).
It's already there... just unckeck Letterboxing (resize window).

[LRDX]

Originally posted by Selur
"or maybe a nice quality backup of LOTR:ROTK on one DVD."
3DVD ROTK => 1DVD should even be possible now with Xvid
(normaly 1/3 of the average MPEG bitrate as Xvid average bitrate delivers nice quality)

OK, make 1 DVD out of all three LOTR EE films.. :) 32GiB to 4,37GiB, no MPEG4 ASP can handle this..

[kurt]

OK, make 1 DVD out of all three LOTR EE films.. :) 32GiB to 4,37GiB, no MPEG4 ASP can handle this..
omg, and i encoded all three LOTR EE films with XviD and dts sound in mkv on 6 DVD-5 (6x 4,37gb) :D
so it's a matter of taste...

[sorry for OT]

[feedback]

It is really annoying that RECODE won't allow you to burn to a disk when you use the custom setting.

In other words, when I use DVDShr... I can set the output to 4480Mb
and burn to disk. However, with Recode it automatically defaults to the
Hard Disk Folder or Image Recorder in the DESTINATION window. The burner is not even shown in the DESTINATION window.

Only by using the DVD-5 setting will it allow me to burn straightaway to my burner and disk.

Regards,:)

[greggerm]

Now that I have spent time encoding a ton of my movies to Nero AVC, I have some impressions..

* DTS decoding - I'm not sure if I missed it or if I need a plugin, but being able to encode DTS 5.1 into AAC 5.1 would be nice. If I missed that, please let me know!

* Pass 1, Pass 2, Pass 1, Pass 2 - WHen encoding multiple movies, Nero does a first pass on ALL the movies, then returns to do the second pass. Setting it to do one movie to completion (first and second pass back to back) would be better, as it would waste far less time if I had to restart the job or computer. Alternatively, the ability to pause (or save the encoding state) of a job so that I can turn a computer off midstream without destroying the job would be equally welcome.

* Unlock the VOB files when done processing! - Along the same lines as above, it would be nice if it released the files so that I can delete the originals once processing is complete. Currently, it seems to keep its paws on the last VOB file used per movie, not allowing me to wipe out the DVD's directory until Nero is exited.

* Manual Bitrate Entry - Rather than the finicky slider, the ability to type in a desired bitrate. I tend to encode at the same bitrate no matter what, and if I could quickly enter that rate on a field, it would make the task easier.

Thats it from this peanut gallery.

Pipe Dreams....
Linux Version with Clustering Support
Yeah right, but wouldn't it be nice if they had a version for linux which supported the distributed computing models out there? I could set my work network up to munch on movies over the weekend and get a ton done at once. :)

[AlexeyS]

It would be nice to have some muxer to mux audio tracks and video track after encoding.

[dvd_maniac]

This is just an Echo of Greggerm

Pass 1, Pass 2, Pass 1, Pass 2
Unlock the VOB
Manual Bitrate Entry

I came here to make these exact suggestions myself

[Chainmax]

OK, make 1 DVD out of all three LOTR EE films.. :) 32GiB to 4,37GiB, no MPEG4 ASP can handle this..

You are wrong. All three movies last about 681 (208+223+250) minutes together. That would mean that in a 4.37GB disc you would have an average bitrate of 897kbps for video and audio. Using Ogg Vorbis aoTuVb4 @ q4 you would obtain a pretty decent ~96kbps soundtrack. You'd then have 800kbps for the video. Using Sharktooth's eqm_v3ulr custom matrix (http://www.webalice.it/f.corriga/CQMs/eqm_v3ulr_rev3.xcm) and maybe some slight filtering (like RemoveGrain(mode=5) or similar), I bet you could encode at 640x272 in Xvid and produce some pretty nice results.

[jm1647]

I looked trhough this thread and did not see this question.

How about having an option to delete the temporary files after encoding and burning instead of it being done automatically? I hate encoding seperately to save the files and then having to go back and burn. I just upgraded to the Ultra version from the OEM version. The user guide says it is supposed to do this so I don't think I'm doing anything wrong.

Thanks