Which codec for S_VOBSUB in MKV files ?

[J-Pierre]

Hi,

I've installed the Mastroska pack and the mkvtoolnix-1.0.1. While trying to demux with MKVextractGUI, I get the error message:

Warning: unsupported CodecID "S_VOBSUB" for ID 5 (and 6, 7, 8, 9) The track will be skipped
At the end, I get no .SRT subtitle :(
Obviously, I'm missing a codec, but which one ? I read a lot about VOBSUB as a codec for VirtualDub or Media Player (Classic ?), but nothing for MKV......

Jean-Pierre

[stephanV]

its not an srt subtile, but a vobsub (the same as seen on DVDs)

there is no way to demux vobsubs from mkv yet...

[bond]

moved to container forum, as its not a codec issue

[J-Pierre]

Hi Stephan,

I went throught 3000 differents forums and tutorials, it seems you're right :( , I couldn't find anything on demuxing VOBSUB. :(

But.....Won't it be possible to convert my MKV including those VOBSUBs to DVD format on DD and then demux my nice VIDEO_TS folder with DVD decrypter or any other ? :D

Once the mkv demuxed, I already know how to convert rmvb and ogg to AVI accepted formats, and then create a DVD, but I don't know the procedure for these VOBSUBs.

I don't even know how to include the SRTs in a VOB :(

Jean-Pierre

[iapir]

Maybe you can try DirectShow with an MPEG2 muxer to mux vobsubs in MPEG2 ?

[stephanV]

Originally posted by J-Pierre
Hi Stephan,

I went throught 3000 differents forums and tutorials, it seems you're right :( , I couldn't find anything on demuxing VOBSUB. :(

But.....Won't it be possible to convert my MKV including those VOBSUBs to DVD format on DD and then demux my nice VIDEO_TS folder with DVD decrypter or any other ? :D
Nope, not including VOBSUBs, maybe it will be implemented sometime though, although i don't know when. You'd have to ask Mosu. Although currently the Matroska team is more occupied with implementing AVC and DVD-menues in MKV.


I don't even know how to include the SRTs in a VOB :(

Thats because that is not possible either. Perhaps there is some tool to convert SRT subs to VOBSUBs, although i wouldnt know where and how. Making DVDs is not really something i know anything about.

[J-Pierre]

Thanks for suggestion, iapir.

But I'll just gave up.....Matroska seems a brillant idea, but at the end, it's a mess.....I've been spending days trying to understand, finding out the right codecs, the right softwares, the right players....

Few examples ?

Just installing MKVtoolnix is a fight. You need to understand you have to install some run-time basic DLLs, then the last version of MKVtoolnix, then, you have to search around to get the GUI, because they released a software without GUI...... :rolleyes:

Then, you try MKVextract, but you can't extract vobsub. It also seems there is a problem processing SRTs.

Then, you'll read that VdubMod can parse and process MKVs, and with VobSub as filter you can write a subtitle in your AVI. Bad luck, it seems that most of the MKVs contains rmvb video, which VdubMod cannot process (I'm getting warnings from Vdub and then it closes...).

I maybe wrong. It well possible I'm a dunkee who understands nothing. It's possible as well I'm too stupid to find the proper Website with all the nice explanations I need.

But until they come out with a reasonnable version, easy to use,.......how should I say........I'll stop with MKVs.
They need to understand that the most brillant software is of no interest if it makes your life too complicated. They also need to understand that average users don't want to get involved with all that staff, and they will never become popular.

Sorry for all this speech, I'm really disapointed :confused:
Jean-Pierre

[iapir]

Why don't you ask Nero to support Matroska ? I'm not even sure it support subs. So do you know any tool that will let you use Vobsubs or SRT to burn a DVD ? Regardless of Matroska...

[stephanV]

Sorry for all this speech, I'm really disapointed

haha :)

your supposed to back-up your DVDs using e.g. matroska as container or something, not download a matroska file and then try to turn it into a DVD.

you might be dissapointed, but i dont think you've paid one buck so far.

[J-Pierre]

Hi,

I'm not sure you're answering my post, you (both) rather look attacking me.....:) :)

I was just pointing out the fact that, for the time being, the Matroska project is not very well organized and is almost useless. And you didn't answer that......

Now, let's have a look at your answers:


Comparing Matroska to Nero is a non-issue, the question is not what Nero does or cannot do..... However, if you wish to compare Nero and Matroska, you will notice that, with Nero, for 60$, you'll get an outstanding product, with many many functionalities, well designed GUIs, and a complete documentation in your mother language.

May I say that, in comparison, Matroska is not worth 1$ ?



You're right, I've downloaded 2 movies and I'd like to burn them on DVDs.
Apparently, the're provided by some Matroska organization, the SRTs begin with:
100:00:05,699 --> 00:00:09,699
<i><b>_____Movie title_____
XChange Team proudly presents you :
Movie title
Réalisation à but non lucratif, ne pas vendre ni
louer. Si vous aimez ce film, achetez le !
_____[XChange Team]
If I'm not supposed to burn them on DVD, it implies that the people who make the MKVs do not have the rights to distribute them. In this case, I better delete the files......



Furthermore, you say your supposed to back-up your DVDs
but if I cannot copy my MKV-backups back on DVD, what's the interest of making a backup ? Watching the movie on my PC-screen ? You must be joking..



To end with the matter, no, I didn't spent one buck right now.
BUT:
I'm buying softwares, like everybody, and I've no problem paying for a good app, and I would have no problem paying for a good MKV app. But as I said before, for the time being, MKV is not worth one dollar.
I did not decided to make MKV free under GNL license. The MKV people decided so. Don't blame me on that.....But being free is not a justification for releasing poor softwares.


Again, Matroska is a brillant idea, but for the time being, the Matroska project is not very well organized and is almost useless. :)

Jean-Pierre

[stephanV]

Originally posted by J-Pierre
I was just pointing out the fact that, for the time being, the Matroska project is not very well organized and is almost useless. And you didn't answer that......

In fact, Matroska is very useful. I have a quite few Matroska files that play perfectly on my PC. On two different OSs i might add (FC3 finally has VLC :) ).


However, if you wish to compare Nero and Matroska, you will notice that, with Nero, for 60$, you'll get an outstanding product, with many many functionalities, well designed GUIs, and a complete documentation in your mother language.

From reading the Nero AVC threads I have serious dounts about those statements. If anything Nero is full bugs. But yes, let us focus on Matroska here.


May I say that, in comparison, Matroska is not worth 1$ ?

No, since you are not using it in the way you should use it, it does not make Matroska worthless. Of course, the actual market value of Matroska is 0$ as it is a project purely setup out of people working in their spare-time.


You're right, I've downloaded 2 movies and I'd like to burn them on DVDs.
Thats not a smart thing to say on this forum. You are probably violating rule # something here.


Apparently, the're provided by some Matroska organization, the SRTs begin with:
There is only one Matroska "organsation" and those are the Matroska developers. They do not distribute movies via edonkey or whatever.


If I'm not supposed to burn them on DVD, it implies that the people who make the MKVs do not have the rights to distribute them.
That wouldnt surprise me. On the other hand, if you are supposed to burn them on a DVD they would have provided you with VOB-files as that is the container for the DVD format.


but if I cannot copy my MKV-backups back on DVD, what's the interest of making a backup ? Watching the movie on my PC-screen ? You must be joking..
You could choose to buy the DVD, or a TV-out, or indeed watch it on your PC-screen. You wouldnt be the first one to do that. There is no hardware support for Matroska, neither for AVI (not really) or OGM and a bunch of other formats. Does that make all those projects worthless? Or are you trying to fit squares into triangles?


I'm buying softwares, like everybody, and I've no problem paying for a good app, and I would have no problem paying for a good MKV app. But as I said before, for the time being, MKV is not worth one dollar.
I did not decided to make MKV free under GNL license. The MKV people decided so. Don't blame me on that.....But being free is not a justification for releasing poor softwares.
It is not a poor software. It has support on multiple OSs and works quite well for a lot of people. The only thing you have problems with is demuxing vobsubs, which is indeed still an issue.

However you are not using Matroska the way it designed for. It is not some obscure transport-medium for DVD/MPEG2 files, because:

1. You need to re-encode the video and audio for it, which introduces quality loss. (although MPEG2 and AC3 are supported, but in your case not used)
2. Matroska has capabilities that are incompatible with VOB files for example srt and ssa subs.

If the people you downloaded the file from wanted you to make a DVD out of it they would have provided you with VOB files, not a Matroska file. Thats how simple it is. You cannot blame MAtroska for that, how much you would like to. It's not Matroska's job to keep backwards compatability with VOB, that would destroy the thought of it.


Again, Matroska is a brillant idea, but for the time being, the Matroska project is not very well organized and is almost useless. :)

This comment only shows your complete misunderstanding of Matroska and your inexperience with it.


I'm not sure you're answering my post, you (both) rather look attacking me.....
If you have issues with something, you ask for support. You are not gonna say its lousy, disorganised and worthless after 2 posts. Nothing to do with attacking on my side. :)

[Atamido]

Originally posted by J-Pierre
Just installing MKVtoolnix is a fight. You need to understand you have to install some run-time basic DLLs, then the last version of MKVtoolnix, then, you have to search around to get the GUI, because they released a software without GUI...... :rolleyes: From the MKVMerge Homepage
Thanks to Cygwin and MinGW there are now binaries for Windows available. Simply download the new installer for version 1.0.1 (http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-1.0.1-setup.exe). It contains everything needed to run mkvtoolnix. The volunteer developer that developed this program graciously made a GUI for the MKVMerge even though he is a Linux user and really has no need for it. This GUI is in the package. He didn't include one for MKVExtract, but it's a pretty simple program, so that's not exactly a surprise.

It doesn't extract VOBSUBs, as that is a complicated task, and the developer has higher priorities. Of course, everyone knows that SRT and VOBSUB are completely different things and the SRT extraction should work, assuming your file actually has SRT in it.

[iapir]

Originally posted by J-Pierre
Comparing Matroska to Nero is a non-issue, the question is not what Nero does or cannot do..... However, if you wish to compare Nero and Matroska, you will notice that, with Nero, for 60$, you'll get an outstanding product, with many many functionalities, well designed GUIs, and a complete documentation in your mother language.

May I say that, in comparison, Matroska is not worth 1$ ?

Matroska softwares cost $0, which makes it infinitely cheaper than any commercial software (in the mathematical sense). Now I agree with you that giving a shitty program for free is not a good excuse. But all the Matroska softwares I know (at least the main ones) are good and you can easily get support from the devs and the users.

That being said, Matroska is not a software it's a file format. It's rather new and only a part of the possibilities are in full use now. So you'd better give them time to work on the softwares. Otherwise your arguments are just like saying that AVC or MP4 is shit because you can't do whatever you can imagine with it.

Finally since you downloaded the files on the net, you should be happy that you get the subs directly in your file in the first place. Because AFAIK Matroska is the only one that does that currently (maybe OGM but it's almost dead now). With AVI you would simply have no problem because you wouldn't have the subs...

[communist]

My goodness.. no insult but gimme a break J-Pierre.
You need to go read the rules (http://forum.doom9.org/forum-rules.htm), the pie story (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7770) and stop comparing apples with oranges :mad: :mad:

[Booji Boy]

...in order to turn the discussion back on the original question: Is there really no way to extract VobSubs from a MKV?

Why is that? Obviously it was possible to mux the VobSub track into the mkv file, so there must be a way to get it out again.

[iapir]

No, there is no way. Because creating MPEG PS files is not as easy as it seems. Maybe someday :D

[stephanV]

coz no one has coded it yet, and it seems not to be high on the priority list.

its really not possible :)

[Booji Boy]

Hmm, but if VobSub can display the Subs via VSFilter, any chance of grabbing them from VobSub?

EDIT: Other question btw, how is it with other subtitle formats like SSA/ASS or good old SRT? Demuxing possible?

[stephanV]

SSA and SRT is possible

and VSfilter will not help you here :)

[Booji Boy]

Originally posted by stephanV
SSA and SRT is possible

That's at least something. So there's no need to spurn matroska. I'll just switch to SSA the next time.


and VSfilter will not help you here :)

:(