convert video with sub's already to a diff format with subtitles... help!

[MindlessOath]

ok, what im trying to do is convert a certain file type to ANYTHING other than what it is. why? well because i want to convert it to a DVD standard, but its japanese and i cant get the subtitles to stick when i convert it.

the story begins, i have this video that i had to find an AC3 dmv audio codec, found one at http://fcchandler.home.comcast.net/AC3ACM/index.html without that virtualdub would just say error 2000 or something... then i had to download some kind of windowsmedia 9 codec for wmv3 video decoding.

so now i have both of those, so now it can encode the video in virtualdub to any format i want (ie divx or whatever).
i would like to say that i use windows mediaplayer clasic, and i was able to play the video just fine before those codecs were installed :) also the subtitles showed up (i already had vobsub installed :D) however just to mention it again, virtualdub wouldnt do any playback unless i had the above codecs installed.

and im going to restate now that i can encode the video in virtualdub. however it doesnt conver the subtitles, i am a subtitles noob.

its an AVI file with subtitles and i need the subtitles cause im trying to make it in dvd format, so i need someones help to tell me what to do. i have tried so many applications so far its not even funny, i think mabe i dont know how to use them? or mabe im not using the right ones, most of the ones out their convert DVD subs into a subtitle file, well i dont have a subtitle file, their in the AVI file, and it seems like its not hardcoded into the video because when i use virtualdub to convert it, it doesnt include the subtitles :(

so please someone make sence of this and help me step by step :p /me = noob to subtitles (ohh and scripts too).

here is more info if u need.
aviCODEC:
File : 380 MB (380 MB), duration: 0:31:39, type: AVI, 1 audio stream(s), quality: 70 %
Video : 279 MB, 1233 Kbps, 23.976 fps, 640*480 (4:3), WMV3 = Windows Media Video 9, Supported
Audio : 101 MB, 448 Kbps, 48000 Hz, 5 channels, 0x2000 = AC-3 ACM Decompressor, Supported

their was something called AVIsubDetector, but i have no idea how to use it, i open it and somehow get a file in the list, then just start pressing buttons and nothing is happening, nothing at all, so i dunno, mabe im not suppose to use that, but its not working for me unless someone has a step by step way to use it :(
i also searched these forums with no avail, mabe i used the wrong words to search :(

[ukendt]

Pal, I should be a mind reader in order to help U out.
Anyway, converting avi to DVD is a bad idea normally and this forum is about subs not conversions.

[MindlessOath]

well mabe i didnt explain enough... i can convert the video fine, i cannot convert the subtitles at all.

that is esentially what i want to do. convert the video that i have which is an AVI with subtitles to a differnt format (divx for all i care) and retain the subtitles to the new encode.

[ukendt]

then the subs are not hard burnt in and u must convert the file having the subs

[MindlessOath]

thats what i cant figure out.

i know their not burnt in, but how do i get those subs to its own file to use for the new encode? is their such a way?

i dont have the actuall file with all the subtitles in it, nor do i see any files extracted when vobsub plays the video, where are the subtitles kept when its playing the video? if their not burnt in. is their a temp folder?

etc etc etc, is their any way to do this at all?

[TomSem]

Do not try to get the subs out of your avi because
avi can not contain subs afaik.

Do you have the subtitles in a txt/srt format that matches the avi ?
If yes then convert the srt to sup and remux the strems with your new sups.

Good luck

[MindlessOath]

its a movie thats already been encoded, it has subs already included in it. i have no seperate files, its just one avi file. it seems like vobsub extracts the subs from the file or something, cause i know their not burned in it. they just show up when i play the movie, but when i encode the movie to something else, it just doesnt include them, so i need a way to encode to annother format and include the subtitles.

but i dont have any sub's in any form or txt file etc.