Choppy Skipping Video - Max Bit Rate Too High??

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Well I've successfully created several DVD backups for the first time using the Big 3 method.

I've run in to this problem in the past with DVD2SVCD - A.K.A. DVD2DVD, and discovered that my choppy, skipping video problem was that the Max bit rate was too high. I'm now experiencing the same problem with the DVD backups I've made using the Big 3 method. Is there any way I can reduce the Max Bit rate in the Big 3 method. Does any one have any sugestions as to what I can do to fix this problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm using ImgTool Classic(latest) in asociation with DVD Decrypter (latest) to burn to DVD.

Thanks

Backwerdz:)

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Ok, so I guess if there's no way of adjusting the Max bit rate, then I guess only one audio source is supported. Two audio sources, 5.1 Dolby & DTS is too much. Oh well....

Thanks

BackWerdz:(

[influenza]

of course you cn adjust the max bitrate (although I doubt that this is the cause of the problem). Dif4u produces a file called ccedata.txt. In that file all variables are stored that are used to encode (including max bitrate). You can manually adjust the max bitrate if you want to.

Two audio sources, 5.1 Dolby & DTS is too much. Oh well....

This is really complete nonsense.

[jel]

This is really complete nonsense. agreed. i have often kept more than 4 or 5 audio streams in a back-up. i would believe that the cause is a more a result of the encoding settings used. could you please post further information in regards to the settings used to encode the problematic video and what exactly you are experiencing/seeing.
cheers
j

[D3s7]

BackwoodsYahoo what region you in (PAL/NTSC)

what version of CCE are you using to encode?

what movie are you currently working on...

what version of avisynth are you using?

choppy video is usually a sign that either something's incorrect happened somewhere along the line

things to do (in order) to help us isolate the problem for you:
1) get us the answer the questions listed above)
2) Open the .AVS file of one of the assets in question in mediaplayer. If video is choppy, the problem is something with avisynth (more specifically something in the script)
3) If not choppy above, open the re-encoded asset in powerdvd/windvd/your prefered mpeg2 player (you may need to rename the .mpv file to .m2v for these to play it) - if video is choppy, then the problem is a encode issue....
4) If not choppy above, the problem is most likely either an author error or an ifo update error - the prior is more unlikely then the later

[BackwoodsYahoo]

Ok guys, I understand, you require more info. I will gather all info and post it here for your review. Being Christmas today, my time on the PC is limited. I will have more time to get you the required info tomorrow on boxing day. Please hang tight, the info's comming.


BackWerdz:)


Merry Christmas Every one.

I have to get going, relatives to visit.

[Trahald]

merry xmas..

regaurding the issue, yes.. more info.. including the media you are using and the dvd player you play backwith. before you say 'ive used this media before with no problems (once i lowered the bitrate ;) )' you may consider lowering the bitrate may just be masking issues (the lower bitrate may allow the player to compensate for delays in reading back the data) .. scenarists mux engine is pretty strict and it will fail rather than produce a non-compliant stream.

[BackwoodsYahoo]

What region you in (PAL/NTSC)?
What version of CCE are you using to encode?
What movie are you currently working on...?
What version of avisynth are you using?
More info.. including the media you are using and the dvd player you play back with.

Movie: Festival Express - Disk 1 Of 2
Region: NTSC Region 1
CCE: CCE SP v2.67.00.27 & EclCCE v1.81
Avisynth: v2.5.5.0
Media Disk type: Mitsumi DVD-R 4.7 Gb Manufacturer ID - AN31 (DVD Decrypter)
DVD Programs used to burn disks: DVD Decrypter v3.5.1.0 &/or Nero v6.6.0.3
Stand Alone DVD Plyer used for play back: Hitachi DV-P45U

Problem with Play Back: Video is choppy, freezes and jumps to different intervals in the movie, (looks sort of digital square chunks.) Video and audio seem to freeze then resume a few seconds later at a different time interval in the movie (a few seconds to a minute).

PC Specs:
Intel Desktop Motherboard: D845GERG2
CPU: Pentium 4 - 2.0GHz
1GB of Ram
DVD Burners: Plextor PX-708A
Sony DRU-530A

DIF4U LOG
(09:53:52) Current settings saved as default
(12:55:18) Welcome to DoItFast4U! v.1.4.0.0 - By Eyes`Only
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(12:55:18) Avisynth Version Detected= 2.5.5.0
(12:55:18) Checking AVS Scripts...
(12:55:18) OS Kernel = NT (good!)
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(12:55:18) Checking for CDROM/DVDROMS... Found Drives= E: F: G: H:
(12:55:18) Non-Right-click activation. Using last working directory: C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER
(12:55:18) (If you don't know what this means, READ THE GUIDE!)
(12:55:18) Invalid DVD Structure in E:
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(12:55:18) Checking for updates...
(12:55:18) Updates Check Skipped ( Help->Check For Updates to turn this on )
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(12:55:18) Install Directory = C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U
(12:55:18) Current Directory = C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER
(12:56:32) Current settings saved as default
(14:44:35) Welcome to DoItFast4U! v.1.4.0.0 - By Eyes`Only
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(14:44:35) Avisynth Version Detected= 2.5.5.0
(14:44:35) Checking AVS Scripts...
(14:44:35) OS Kernel = NT (good!)
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(14:44:35) Checking for CDROM/DVDROMS... Found Drives= E: F: G: H:
(14:44:35) Non-Right-click activation. Using last working directory: C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER
(14:44:35) (If you don't know what this means, READ THE GUIDE!)
(14:44:35) Invalid DVD Structure in E:
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(14:44:35) Checking for updates...
(14:44:35) Updates Check Skipped ( Help->Check For Updates to turn this on )
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(14:44:36) Install Directory = C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U
(14:44:36) Current Directory = C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER
(14:44:45) Current settings saved as default
(16:27:20) Welcome to DoItFast4U! v.1.4.0.0 - By Eyes`Only
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(16:27:20) Avisynth Version Detected= 2.5.5.0
(16:27:20) Checking AVS Scripts...
(16:27:20) OS Kernel = NT (good!)
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(16:27:20) Checking for CDROM/DVDROMS... Found Drives= E: F: G: H:
(16:27:20) Non-Right-click activation. Using last working directory: C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER
(16:27:20) (If you don't know what this means, READ THE GUIDE!)
(16:27:20) Checking for Angles in VTS 01...
(16:27:20) Program_Chain_Information_Table_Offset--4096
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--32 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 1 PGC 1 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--426 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 1 PGC 2 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--748 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 1 PGC 3 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) Checking for Angles in VTS 02...
(16:27:20) Program_Chain_Information_Table_Offset--4096
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--64 Number of Cells= 51
(16:27:20) VTS 2 PGC 1 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--2238 Number of Cells= 22
(16:27:20) VTS 2 PGC 2 Minutes= 147
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--3584 Number of Cells= 31
(16:27:20) VTS 2 PGC 3 Minutes= 100
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--5034 Number of Cells= 20
(16:27:20) VTS 2 PGC 4 Minutes= 89
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--6122 Number of Cells= 22
(16:27:20) VTS 2 PGC 5 Minutes= 58
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--7284 Number of Cells= 10
(16:27:20) VTS 2 PGC 6 Minutes= 100
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--8002 Number of Cells= 10
(16:27:20) VTS 2 PGC 7 Minutes= 49
(16:27:20) Checking for Angles in VTS 03...
(16:27:20) Program_Chain_Information_Table_Offset--4096
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--32 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 3 PGC 1 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--426 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 3 PGC 2 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--748 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 3 PGC 3 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) Checking for Angles in VTS 04...
(16:27:20) Program_Chain_Information_Table_Offset--4096
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--32 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 4 PGC 1 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--418 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 4 PGC 2 Minutes= 1
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--724 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 4 PGC 3 Minutes= 1
(16:27:20) Checking for Angles in VTS 05...
(16:27:20) Program_Chain_Information_Table_Offset--4096
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--32 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 5 PGC 1 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--426 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 5 PGC 2 Minutes= 1
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--740 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 5 PGC 3 Minutes= 1
(16:27:20) Checking for Angles in VTS 06...
(16:27:20) Program_Chain_Information_Table_Offset--4096
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--32 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 6 PGC 1 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--418 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 6 PGC 2 Minutes= 1
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--724 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 6 PGC 3 Minutes= 1
(16:27:20) Checking for Angles in VTS 07...
(16:27:20) Program_Chain_Information_Table_Offset--4096
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--32 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 7 PGC 1 Minutes= 0
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--418 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 7 PGC 2 Minutes= 1
(16:27:20) VTS_PGCI_Start_Byte--724 Number of Cells= 1
(16:27:20) VTS 7 PGC 3 Minutes= 1
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(16:27:20) Checking for updates...
(16:27:20) Updates Check Skipped ( Help->Check For Updates to turn this on )
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(16:27:20) Install Directory = C:\Program Files\DoItFast4U
(16:27:20) Current Directory = C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER
(16:27:20) Checking For Duplicate VobIDs...
(16:27:20) Checking For Duplicate VobIDs...
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 2 is in PGC 1. Unchecking PGC 2
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 2 is in PGC 5. Unchecking PGC 2
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 3 is in PGC 1. Unchecking PGC 3
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 4 is in PGC 1. Unchecking PGC 4
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 5 is in PGC 1. Unchecking PGC 5
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 6 is in PGC 1. Unchecking PGC 6
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 6 is in PGC 7. Unchecking PGC 6
(16:27:20) In VTS 2, PGC 7 is in PGC 1. Unchecking PGC 7
(16:27:20) Duplicate VobID Checking Complete.
(16:27:20) Duplicate VobID Checking Complete.
(16:27:20) PGCs with Duplicate VobIDs were unchecked and logged to notes file. (Possible manual use of Scenarist required)
(16:27:20) Automatically selected 2 as largest VTS.
(16:28:16) Opening NuMenu4U!
(16:28:16) C:\Program Files\NuMenu4U\NuMenu4U.exe /start /path="C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER" /threshold=200 /drive=E /passes=3 /avebitrate=2000 /deinterlace /cceo /ccev /close
(17:18:40) Continuing with DoItFast4U! Demux.
(17:18:40) Skipping VTS 1
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(17:18:40) Current Dir= C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER
(17:18:40) DVD Drive= E:
(17:18:40) Autocreating Directory
(17:18:40) DVD Drive= E:
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(17:18:40) DVDDEC Version 3.5.1.0 Location= C:\Program Files\DVD Decrypter
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(17:18:40) Newer version of DVDDec detected (3.5.1.0)
(17:18:40) Split Mode= auto VobID_Demux=0 CellID_Demux=0
(17:18:40) Using DVD Decrypter to Demux VTS 02 PGC 01 ANGLE 01
(17:30:47) Finished Processing VTS 02 PGC 01 ANGLE 01
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(17:30:47) Analyzing Video...
(17:30:51) Total Odd / Even = 1002 / 0 = Odd/Top/A dominant and 82.63% progressive

(17:30:51) Flag found at position 255
(17:30:51) Diagnose Field Order = 2
(17:30:51) Analyzing Video... Header Flag= "Interlaced/TFF" Analysis= "82.63% Progressive/TFF"
(17:30:51) File to rename= VTS_02_PGC_01_1 - 0xE0 - Video - MPEG-2 - 720x480 (NTSC) - 16~9 - Letterboxed.M2V
(17:30:51) vid= 0, pgc= 01, ang= 2, vob= _0, cel= 02_ darloc= 16~9
(17:30:51) Rename to= VTS__02_P01.P.16~9_1.M2V
(17:30:51) renerr= 183 vobid= 0 sub= 0 y= 1
(17:30:51) AC3 File to rename= VTS_02_PGC_01_1 - 0x80 - Audio - AC3 - 6ch - 48kHz - DRC - English - DELAY 0ms.AC3
(17:30:51) Rename to= VTS__02_P01-80-448K-[0ms]-ch6English.AC3
(17:30:51) Renaming...
(17:30:51) AC3 File to rename= VTS_02_PGC_01_1 - 0x82 - Audio - AC3 - 2ch - 48kHz - DRC - English - DELAY 0ms.AC3
(17:30:51) Rename to= VTS__02_P01-82-192K-[0ms]-ch2English.AC3
(17:30:51) Renaming...
(17:30:51) DTS File to rename= VTS_02_PGC_01_1 - 0x89 - Audio - DTS - 6ch - 48kHz - DRC - English - DELAY 0ms.DTS
(17:30:51) Renaming DTS...
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(17:30:51) Step 2: Creating DVD2AVI Projects
(17:30:51) VTS__02_P01.P.16~9_1.M2V
(17:30:51) Executing DVD2AVI on VTS__02_P01.P.16~9_1.M2V
(17:35:53) Analyzing .D2V file
(17:35:54) total lines=19393
(17:35:54) d2v analysis= 31068.30570.140309.30570
(17:35:54) ntsc%= 0.983971,film%= 0.217876
(17:35:54) ---->Hybrid Film detected. Decomb selected for VTS__02_P01.P.16~9
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(17:35:54) Analyzing AVS
(17:35:55) 263085 frames, fps=29.970000, mins=146.304638
(17:35:55) Adding no-pull to the filename of this .avs
(17:35:55) Added 146.304638 minutes to Main Calculations (Total is now 146.304638)
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(17:35:55) Total extras minutes= 0.000000
(17:35:55) Total MainVTS minutes= 146.304638
(17:35:55) Task Completed.
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(17:35:55) Creating C:\DIF4U_DEFAULT_FOLDER\VIDEO_TS directory using unused VTSes
(17:35:55) Menu Files are being omitted by request
(17:35:55) -This may take a while!-
(17:35:55) Copied VTS_01_1.VOB (1 of 6 files) 16% Complete
(17:35:55) Copied VTS_03_1.VOB (2 of 6 files) 33% Complete
(17:35:56) Copied VTS_04_1.VOB (3 of 6 files) 50% Complete
(17:35:58) Copied VTS_05_1.VOB (4 of 6 files) 66% Complete
(17:35:58) Copied VTS_06_1.VOB (5 of 6 files) 83% Complete
(17:35:59) Copied VTS_07_1.VOB (6 of 6 files) 100% Complete
(17:35:59) Finished copying unused VTSes
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(17:35:59) Extras Assets= 0 bytes, DVDR Size= 4689514240
(17:35:59) Main VTS Assets= 2585376410, Chosen DVDR Size= 4689514240, Video_TS Directory= 226699264 bytes
(17:35:59) Final Bitrate Calculations...
(17:35:59) (Doesn't work with HDD Demux mode, all other modes supported now!)
(17:35:59) ----
(17:36:00) CCE Recommended values: VTS 02 MaxBitrate= 7624 AvgBitrate= 1797
(17:36:00) CCE Recommended values: VTS 02 MaxBitrate= 7624 AvgBitrate= 1797
(17:36:00) Creating REJIGdata.txt file for use with Rejig 0.4b+

Any other info required, just let me know.
Thanks for any help:)

BackWerdz:)

[BackwoodsYahoo]

2) Open the .AVS file of one of the assets in question in mediaplayer. If video is choppy, the problem is something with avisynth (more specifically something in the script)
3) If not choppy above, open the re-encoded asset in powerdvd/windvd/your prefered mpeg2 player (you may need to rename the .mpv file to .m2v for these to play it) - if video is choppy, then the problem is a encode issue....
4) If not choppy above, the problem is most likely either an author error or an ifo update error - the prior is more unlikely then the later

Play back is perfect on my PC using Cyberlink PowerDVD. I only have the problem when playing back on my Hitachi DV-P45U DVD Payer.


This is really complete nonsense.:angry:.

Thanks for the helpful comment Influenza.:angry:


BackWerdz


I appreciate any help, with out sarcastic comments.

[Trahald]

you may want to consider different media (read better).. especially since youve had to lower bitrate with other backup methods as well.. of course less expensive option is manually editing the bitrates in batchccews before encoding...
automatic lowering of max bitrate isnt currently an option since the max bitrate should never have to be lowered.

[Eyes`Only]

Problem with Play Back: Video is choppy, freezes and jumps to different intervals in the movie, (looks sort of digital square chunks.) Video and audio seem to freeze then resume a few seconds later at a different time interval in the movie (a few seconds to a minute).In my opinion, this is media related. Bitrate will never be an issue, as Trahald correctly stated: Scenarist is very finicky about DVD Spec, and it will never allow the max bitrate to exceed DVD specifications, therefore as long as your settop can perform well with a DVD made to spec, it should be able to play anything made from Scenarist. Contrastly, SVCD is a format with a max bitrate limit of up to 2600kbit/s video and 224kbit/s audio-- well below the DVD standards, so it is easily possible to create video exceeding the limit.

Choppy, blocky, skipping... usually media related. Try burning at 1x. Try different media like Ritek, TDK, Verbatim (I suggest also burning at 1x for maximum life expectancy). Try DVD-R as well as DVD+R (My settops perform much better with DVD-R, though a couple can handle DVD+R). Cheaper media can usually get away with burning at 1x, though the media will rot and usually become unplayable after several months or a year. The faster you burn, the hotter the laser has to get, and cheaper dye 'breaks down' at these temperatures, resulting in the well-known symptom of 'laser-rot'. Even if it's not noticeable at first, over time the rot worsens, and at some point it becomes bad enough that settops can no longer read the data.

This is really complete nonsense.

Thanks for the helpful comment Influenza.

BackWerdz


I appreciate any help, with out sarcastic comments.This wasn't sarcastic. Sarcastic is saying something other than what someone means in a way that the person receiving it can tell it was meant in an opposite fashion (ie. "Oh yeah you'll definitely win 1st prize in the pageant with that ugly blue and orange ensemble."). Flu was just pointing out what we all saw also: That the statement had no bearing on the problem or solution, and that trying to apply SVCD 'rules' to the world of DVD is iffy at best, and probably not a good idea. ;)

[BackwoodsYahoo]

and that trying to apply SVCD 'rules' to the world of DVD is iffy at best, and probably not a good idea.

I was not trying to apply SVCD rules to the world of DVD. SVCD2DVD is merely the NAME of the program. That is why I put beside it, A.K.A. - DVD2DVD. With in the program SVCD2DVD it is possible to slect DVD2DVD, SVCD, VCD, AVI and so on. So how or why you people ever thought I was applying the rules of SVCD to the world of DVD is beyond me. I was merely using my experience in backing up DVD2DVD movie only, with the program SVCD2DVD, which also has a place here at the doom9 forum.


Thanks for your help people. I'll keep experimenting with this problem. I'm sure I'll figure it out, in time.

Thanks

BackWerdz

[influenza]

This wasn't sarcastic

Absolutely not. It was just a statement meant to say the above mentioned was false. And I tried to do that in a very clear way ;). I don't want anyone to stumble onto this thread led to believe more than one audio track is not possible.

I think most causes for your choppy video are mentioned above. If I should make a top 3 of my personal ideas:

1) Bad media
2) STandalone not able to handle (certain kind of) media very well (try it on an other one)
3) wrongfully encoded video files (if you used correct settings for NTSC this shouldn't be a problem).

[BackwoodsYahoo]

ok, thanks. I'm sure I'll come to some sort of resolution from the responses in this thread.


Thanks


BackWerdz

[Eyes`Only]

3) wrongfully encoded video files (if you used correct settings for NTSC this shouldn't be a problem).Speaking as a primarily-NTSC user, I don't believe #3 is a possibility if Scenarist muxed it, and he can in fact play the video and it looks correct when on his PC.

So how or why you people ever thought I was applying the rules of SVCD to the world of DVD is beyond me. Well, I've never heard of higher bitrates causing problems with DVD, only SVCD. So I wrongly read your statement and obviously misread it. My apologies.

Good luck! I'm sure one of our latter suggestions will shed better light on this problem!:cool:

[influenza]

Speaking as a primarily-NTSC user, I don't believe #3 is a possibility if Scenarist muxed it, and he can in fact play the video and it looks correct when on his PC.

If it's a fieldorder problem (only possible with interlaced video encoded as interlaced). The choppy/shaky playback won't show on the PC monitor only on TV.

[Eyes`Only]

It gets jumpy then, yes. But it doesn't skip to different parts of the disc, or result in large blocks like he said his is doing.

[influenza]

true. Guess I should read better ;)