Dual-Layer Burning Problem

[bonzothebuzz]

I have a NEC single-layered burner patched to be a dual-layered one and I have had no problem with Verbatim Dual-layered discs.
But i seen that the RiDiscs were cheaper so i got some of them but Nero keeps coming up with illegal disc.
my computer thinks there's only 579mb of space on the disc and when i try to use DVDfab it comes up with Failed to write DVD(2016)
and when i use DVD Decrypter it comes up with this error

I/O Error

Device: [1:0:0]_NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A 1.07 (G:) (ATA)

ScsiStatir: 0x02
Interpretation: Check Condition

CDB: 2A 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 20 00
Interpretation: Write (10) - Sectors:0 - 31

Sense Area: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 05 00 00 00 00
Interpretation: Cannot Write Medium - Incompatible Format

Could it be my drive or are the Discs just not compatible.

If anyone knows the answer then please reply

Thanks.

[Carlos Garcia]

The answer is simple, stick to Verbatims, cheap media=coasters.

[atreides93]

I haven't seen any reliable source for dual layer media yet...
I'd stick with single layer for now...or pay a premium and buy those verbatims...which in my opinion aren't worth it.
Not with Taiyo Yudens costing around 50 or 60 cents a piece now a days for single layer 8x disks

[alexnoe]

I haven't seen any reliable source for dual layer media yet...
5 DVD+R DL for 43€ (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0002RQ0IC/ref%3Dpd%5Fsims%5Fdp%5F%5F1/028-4498112-2209348) <= I personally consider amazon pretty reliable :)

But i seen that the RiDiscs were cheaper so i got some of them but Nero keeps coming up with illegal disc.NEC blacklists some crappy disc, and Ritek DL media among the blacklisted ones. Only the NEC 3500 with firmware 2.18 will *try* to write to Ritek DL media (though it often doesn't work)

[JawZ]

yep, I agree with the other posters. I've read horror stories about most other DL discs except Verbatim. I purchased 5 Verbatim about a month or so ago and they all burned perfectly. In my cheap Apex, once the second layer is in affect, the disc freezes and stops. In my Philips, the discs play great from beginning to end. If they were cheap i'd be all over those Verbatim.

[Cliffs]

Originally posted by alexnoe
NEC blacklists some crappy disc, and Ritek DL media among the blacklisted ones. Only the NEC 3500 with firmware 2.18 will *try* to write to Ritek DL media (though it often doesn't work)

It's funny, because in the past 3 weeks I have burned over 10 DL Riteks with the 2C8_SE_Ritek_4X_DL.rar firmware on the NEC 3500 and:
1)Have had 0 bad burns,
2)Been able to burn them all at 4X, and
3)Had seemless layer breaks on all of them in multiple players.

I don't know about the 2.18 firmware, but I keep seeing people complain about the Ritek media being crap, and I don't have any of those problems. It seems to me to be a hardware/drive issue more than a media one. The NEC, with the 2C8_SE firmware, not only burns well to this media, but does so faster than it's supposed to and the media is handling it just fine. Different drives aren't doing as well with this media and people jump to complain about the media. I'm not going to say that the Riteks are the holy grail of DL DVD media, but it's odd to hear so many people blanket the media as "crap" when it's been perfect for me.

And just to head off some of the "consider yourself lucky" replies, a good friend of mine is using the NEC drive with this media and he's also had some pretty good "luck" with the Riteks.

As they say, "your mileage may vary," but I've been getting outstanding mileage with this combo and that seems to rankle some people.

Cliff

[alexnoe]

Some batches of Ritek are better than others, and some players are better than others... DL media is, imho, just too expensive to risk getting a b0rked batch of media. Especially, I'd now pay 36 euro for 5 verbatim discs (amazon has dropped the price :D ), and still more than 30 euro for ritek discs...

[erdoke]

Originally posted by Carlos Garcia
The answer is simple, stick to Verbatims, cheap media=coasters.

Philips DL media is just the same MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media) material. So Verbatim and Philips DL media to go for sure.
As I read more and more posts on burning Ritek DL media succesfully, I guess that these are getting better too.

[alexnoe]

Let's wait 6 months and see who can read his Verbatim / Ritek discs then...(no, i do not yet have any indication for any outcome of that...)

[Cliffs]

Originally posted by alexnoe
Let's wait 6 months and see who can read his Verbatim / Ritek discs then...(no, i do not yet have any indication for any outcome of that...)

You're on. ;) My prediction... They'll both play just fine, just like they do today.
And for clarification, I've played these on a wide variety of players, both new and old, and they all load up and play perfectly.

Again, I think it's a matter of matching up the right burner with the right media. I've had a bunch of burners in the last two years and I've had the occational expensive "high-quality" media that just didn't want to work with one of these burners (such as the Toshiba 5002). The Toshiba, for example, loved Lead Data and DupEZ and burned them perfectly at 2X (the burner's max). I had several other burners that were much more tempermental with Lead Data and DupEZ and, when they would burn them, burned them at 1X. So does that make DupEZ a terrible media, because other drives didn't like them as much? No, it just meant that if I wanted to use DupEZ discs (because they were cheaper then Samsung or Tayio Yuden, sometimes by a dollar a disc) I'd knew I would have to burn them on the Toshiba. As my burners changed, so did the discs I used. Dual Layer is just the latest incarnation of that.

Cliff

[Carlos Garcia]

Let's wait 6 months and see who can read his Verbatim / Ritek discs then...(no, i do not yet have any indication for any outcome of that...)

Over 2 yrs later and every single one of my Verbatim DL discs play as flawlessly as the day I burned them. Without a doubt, Verbatim is the only disc I'll ever use when burning to DL.