NTSC to PAL slow audio ??

[postme]

Hi there,

This is a question about avi2svcd coverting

Since i can't play the NTCS format on my TV i want to convert NTSC to PAL.

I've done it before without any problems everything went o.k.

But now i encounter a problem with the audio on the SVCD...it sounds like a slow record while in sync with the video part.

I can't figure out what i am doing wrong, i've done it before

It could be because i've been playing with the settings in avi2svcd.

Help would be much appreciated.

P.M.:confused:

[Manngo]

Sure. Log? Your settings?

[postme]

Hi Manngo,

This is the log file from the audio conversion done by Besweet.

BeSweet v1.5b26 by DSPguru.
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Using Shibatch.dll v0.24 by Naoki Shibata & DSPguru (shibatch.sourceforge.net).
Using MP2enc.dll v1.129 (23/5/2002), Engine 1.129 <http://www.cdex.n3.net>.

Logging start : 10/29/04 , 13:16:24.

C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe -core( -input D:\04 Video\Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav -output D:\04VIDE~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2 -logfile D:\04VIDE~1\Encoded_audio_1.log ) -ota( -g max -r 29970 25000 ) -shibatch( --rate 44100 ) -2lame( -e -b 128 -m d )

[00:00:00:000] +------- BeSweet -----
[00:00:00:000] | Input : D:\04 Video\Encoded_audio_1.mp2.wav
[00:00:00:000] | Output: D:\04VIDE~1\Encoded_audio_1.mp2
[00:00:00:000] | Floating-Point Process: Yes
[00:00:00:000] | Overall Track Gain: 17.245dB
[00:00:00:000] | Source Sample-Rate: 44.1KHz
[00:00:00:000] +-------- FRC --------
[00:00:00:000] | Source Frame-Rate: 29970
[00:00:00:000] | Dest. Frame-Rate: 25000
[00:00:00:000] +------- MP2ENC ------
[00:00:00:000] | Bitrate method : CBR
[00:00:00:000] | MP2 bitrate : 128
[00:00:00:000] | Channels Mode : Dual Channel
[00:00:00:000] | Error Protection: Yes
[00:00:00:000] +---------------------
[00:01:34:981] Conversion Completed !
[00:01:34:981] Actual Avg. Bitrate : 153kbps
[00:00:10:000] <-- Transcoding Duration

Logging ends : 10/29/04 , 13:16:34.

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Looks ok to me, and here the settings i used with avi2svcd, the source file is divx.

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[Executables]
PVA Executable=
vStrip Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\vStrip\vStrip.exe
DVD2AVI Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\DVD2AVI\DVD2AVI.exe
BeSweet Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\BeSweet\BeSweet.exe
MadPlay Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MADPlay\madplay.exe
MPEG51 Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG5.1\pub_enc.exe
CCE Executable=
VFAPI Executable=VFAPIConv-EN.exe
TMPGEnc Executable=C:\SKVCD\TMPGENC\TMPGEnc.exe
Pulldown Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Pulldown\pulldown.exe
SubMux Executable=
bbMPEG Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\bbMPEG\RunbbMPEG.exe
I-Author Executable=
VCDImager Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\vcdimager.exe
VCDXBuild Executable=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\VCDImager\vcdxbuild.exe
CDMage Executable=
RunPerCDImage Executable=
RunFinal Executable=
MPG2Dec DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\MPEG2Dec\MPEG2DEC2.dll
InverseTelecine DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\InverseTelecine\Wizard\IVTC.dll
Subtitle DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth Subtitler.dll
BMP Loader DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth BMP Loader.dll
Title Picture=C:\SKVCD\DefaultTitlePicture.bmp
Change CD Picture=C:\SKVCD\DefaultChangeCD.bmp
Last CD Picture=
AVS2.5 Subtitle DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\Avisynth Subtitler.dll
AVS2.5 BMP Loader DLL=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Avisynth2.5 Plugins\Avisynth BMP Loader.dll

[Folders]
PVA Folder=
DVD2AVI Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
vStrip Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
Audio Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
CCE Folder=
TMPGEnc Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
Pulldown Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
bbMPEG Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
I-Author Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie
Subpictures Folder=C:\Program Files\DVD2SVCD\Movie\subs

[Settings]
XPos=293
YPos=249
FirstRun=0
UsePVA2SVCD=0
UseDVD2SVCD=0
UseAVI2SVCD=1
UseMPEG1=0
UseMPEG2=1
Convert to Canopus codec=0
Convert to Divx4=0
Use Frameselection=0
New Default Folder=0
DVD2SVCD Level=1
UseDVDRip=0
UsevStrip=1
UseInternalRip=0
Eject DVD=0
iDCT=0
DVD2AVI Pause=0
Luminance Gain=0
Luminance Offset=0
Audio1Downsampling=1
Audio2Downsampling=1
Audio1BitRate=7
Audio2BitRate=9
tooLame Mode=1
Autodetect Azid Gain=1
Folder Structure Source=
Folder Structure Video=
Folder Structure Audio=
Folder Structure Muxed=
Folder Structure Subs=Subs
Intra=8,16,19,22,26,27,29,34,16,19,22,26,27,29,34,37,19,22,26,27,29,34,37,38,22,26,27,31,36,37,38,40,26,27,29,36,39,38,40,48,27,29,34,37,38,40,48,58,29,34,37,38,40,48,58,69,34,37,38,40,48,58,69,79
NonIntra=16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,22,24,26,30,32,32,34,36,24,26,28,32,34,34,36,38,26,28,30,32,34,36,38,40,28,30,32,34,36,38,42,42,30,32,34,36,38,40,42,44
Matrice Preset=KVCD
Use deafult Matrice=0
LFEDownmixLR6Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE6Ch=0
CenterDownmix6Ch=0
SurroundDownmix6Ch=0
DynamicCompression6Ch=1
StereoDownmixType6Ch=0
RearChannelFiltering6Ch=0
DialogNorm6Ch=0
LFEDownmixLR2Ch=-3
LFEDownmixLFE2Ch=0
CenterDownmix2Ch=-1
SurroundDownmix2Ch=-1
DynamicCompression2Ch=1
StereoDownmixType2Ch=0
RearChannelFiltering2Ch=0
DialogNorm2Ch=0
No Audio Conversion=0
Flip Vertival=0
Add ResampleAudio=0
Resize To=4
Use CCE=0
Use TMPGEnc=1
CCE Safe Mode=0
NoOfpasses=5
CCE Image Quality=17
CCE Anti noise value=2
CCE Anti noise=0
CBR=0
One Pass VBR=0
Multi Pass VBR=1
RoBa Multi Pass=0
RoBa Visibel=0
CCE Bias=20
CCE Field Order=2
Progressive=1
Auto Intra DC=0
DVD Compliant=0
Restrict auto I frame insertion=0
Close all GOPs=1
Intra DC=12
M GOP=2
MN GOP=1
SEQ Header=24
Constrained Parameter Set=1
TMPGEnc Rate Control Mode=2
TMPGEnc Motion search precision=3
TMPGEnc Field Order=2
Frames pr spread=34
Spread=60
OffsetFixed CQ Value=72
Use fixed CQ Value=0
DC component precision=0
Output YUV data as Basic YCbCr not CCIR601=0
Use floating point DCT=1
No motion search for still picture part by half pixel=0
Soften block noise=0
Soften Intra=35
Soften NonIntra=35
TMPGEnc GOP I Pictures=1
TMPGEnc GOP P Pictures=24
TMPGEnc GOP B Pictures=2
TMPGEnc SEQ Headers=1
TMPGEnc Max frames in GOP=24
TMPGEnc Close GOPs=0
TMPGEnc Detect Scene Change=0
Enabled Padding=1
TMPGEnc VBVBuffer=40
Dont Delete Files=1
Create VAF=1
QFactor=60
Linear quantizer scale=1
Zigzag scanning order=1
Use2Streams=0
Pri1Audio1=28
Pri1Audio2=139
Pri2Audio1=139
Pri2Audio2=139
Sub1=80
Sub2=139
Sub3=139
Sub4=139
Sub5=139
Sub6=139
Sub7=139
Sub8=139
Azid Gain Offset=6
SubOutputPalette0=clBlack
SubBlendPalette0=0
SubOutputPalette1=clWhite
SubBlendPalette1=15
SubOutputPalette2=clBlue
SubBlendPalette2=15
SubOutputPalette3=clGray
SubBlendPalette3=15
Rip subtitles=1
Min. Delay. Between Subtitles=100
Resize Subtitles=100
SVCD subtitles=0
CVD subtitles=0
Permanent subtitles=1
PAL Y-Pos=-1
NTSC Y-Pos=-1
bbMPEG MPEG1=0
bbMPEG VCD=0
bbMPEG MPEG2=0
bbMPEG SVCD=1
bbMPEG DVD=0
bbMPEG VBR=1
bbMPEG Pad VCD=0
bbMPEG Write PEC=1
bbMPEG Add Scan Offsets=0
bbMPEG Align Sequence Headers=0
bbMPEG Use Private Stream 2=0
bbMPEG Computed Bitrate=1
bbMPEG TimeStamps=0
bbMPEG Pulldown=2
bbMPEG MuxRate=0
bbMPEG Pack Size=2324
bbMPEG Packets Pack=1
bbMPEG Video Buffer=46
bbMPEG Audio 1 Buffer=4
bbMPEG Audio 2 Buffer=4
bbMPEG videoDelay Adjustment=344
bbMPEG audioDelay Adjustment=344
bbMPEG audio1Delay Adjustment=344
Use MPEGAV=0
MinsHigh1=50
MinsHigh2=63
MinsHigh3=102
MinsHigh4=120
MinsHigh5=170
NumCd1=1
NumCd2=1
NumCd3=1
NumCd4=1
NumCd5=2
NumCd6=2
CDSize 1=800
CDSize 2=800
CDSize 3=800
CDSize 4=800
CDSize 5=800
CDSize 6=800
MaxBitrate=2500
MinBitrate=300
MaxAvg=0
MinAvg=1600
Adjust Audio Bitrate=1
Use Min. Avg.=0
Force Film=0
Movie Offset=2
CDOverlap=0
UseCDOverlap=0
FixedChapters=1
DVDChapters=1
PBCType=0
Data Preparer=DVD2SVCD
Use I-Author=0
Use VCDImager=0
No images=0
Use VCDXBuild=1
Length of Chapters=600
Use TitlePicture=1
Use ChangeCD Picture=1
Use LastCD Picture=0
Use EntrySVD=0
Save XML=1
Save Movie Info=1
ProcessPriority=1
SmartDeinterlace Mode=2
SmartDeinterlace Treshold=10
SmartDeinterlace Denoise=1
SmartDeinterlace Blend=0
SmartDeinterlace Fast=1
Edit Avisynth Script file=0
Use CDMage=0
RunPerCDImage=0
RunPerCDImage Params=
RunFinal=0
RunFinal Params=
Automatic Shutdown=0
Avisynth Setup=BilinearResize
Anamorphic Aspect=1

[AVISYNTH_BilinearResize]
0=BilinearResize(^TargetWidth,^TargetHeight)
1=AddBorders(0,^BorderTop,0,^BorderBottom)

[AVISYNTH_BicubicResize]
0=BicubicResize(^TargetWidth,^TargetHeight,^b_value,^c_value)
1=AddBorders(0,^BorderTop,0,^BorderBottom)
^b_value=0.0
^c_value=0.6

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I really hope you can come up with something.

Thnxs

P.M.

[Manngo]

When we say log, we mean the content of the dvd2svcd.log, that is a text file.

[jsoto]

-ota( -g max -r 29970 25000 ) AFAIK, this command is slowing down the audio, modifying the pitch, just to be in synch with the video.

There are other methods to convert NTSC to PAL, but I don't have much experience on this.

In any case, please post your log file dvd2svcd_log.txt.

jsoto

[postme]

Originally posted by Manngo
When we say log, we mean the content of the dvd2svcd.log, that is a text file.

Ok, shall provide you with it as soon as i can...work is killing me at this moment.

B.T.W. the links you gave me are 404-ed !

Thanks for your reply....

[postme]

Originally posted by jsoto
AFAIK, this command is slowing down the audio, modifying the pitch, just to be in synch with the video.

There are other methods to convert NTSC to PAL, but I don't have much experience on this.

In any case, please post your log file dvd2svcd_log.txt.

jsoto

I agree with your comment that is slows down the audio part to be in sync with the PAL frame rate, but the pitch doesn't speed up the sound like it should do with 4% And that's what i can't figure out, aspecialy becouse i've converted NTSC to PAL before with the exact same settings and it worked at that time.

Thanks for your reply

[Nick]

-ota( -g max -r 29970 25000 )

is the problem.

NTSC supports 2 framerates - 23.976 (NTSC-Film) and 29.970 (NTSC)
From film source (which accounts for most retail movie DVD's), conversion to PAL involves speeding up by 4% to change the framerate from 23.970 to 25.000 - this is hardly noticeable.

From 29.970 source, you have to slow down by nearly 20% to get down to 25fps and this you're gonna notice.

Being from a PAL country I don't know much about converting from NTSC to NTSC-film framerate. But to get a good result from NTSC2PAL, that's what you'd have to do. I assume your previous successes are from 23.976fps source.

[postme]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Nick
-ota( -g max -r [B]29970 25000 )

is the problem.

Nick,

Thanks for your info, it helped me understanding the difference between the two used frame rates in ntsc.

I guess the files i've converted before where within the limits that can't hardly be noticed.
Looks like I'll just have to live with it.

Ciao