about the contemporary rumble in this forum

[NaN]

Hi guys.

I just want to adress a few things that disturb the general peaceful together in this forum. The thing with the VIPs.

Personally I think it's time to simply stop those discussions. A VIP position may be gathered through donations or through special beta testing. Point.

If you cannot donate (because you're living in a no-paypal country or you can't/don't want afford it), you're out of the game.

That's in my eyes the *only* point. The thing with the beta testing is nice, but honestly - it's a quite senseless point in my eyes.

Not everyone has the possibilities to do some special beta testing, e.g. I seem to own only "standard" dvds that don't produce any errors and that since the very early versions of dvd-rb (ok, that's not wholly correct, I reported once a tiny bug that leads to a crash (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76538), but it wasn't adressed).

At least not everybody has the knowledge to submit a decent bug report incl. some ifoedit-playing.

So please take it as it is. Calm down. You've got nothing to lose, just to win a bug-fixed version after the 30 days.

Have a nice day, NaN

PS: please understand my posting as a final note on that theme, I really don't intend to start new discussions.

PPS: @wmansir: if you think my post is completely senseless, feel free to delete it.

[Fr4nz]

One thing to add to your post is that the majority of dvds don't have angles, so the 0.64a version, which works flawlessly and it's free, is still a great version to use.

[NaN]

I agree 100%.

Sorry, if it didn't clearly come out of my posting that dvd-rb is a great tool, or even better, it's the tool I waited quite some time for.

Congrats jdobbs!

Cheers, NaN

[lighty]

@NaN
I thought this topic was closed for the time being, so why do you start it again? My point that started the discussion was lost because I got annoyed and used somewhat harsh words that ppl reacted to.

My point was that IMO closed beta testings shouldn't be done in public forums. Particulary I was iritated on the Ateme commericial testing and this 'VIP testing' triggered me in a way that was over the top (I admit that now), because at the start of the discussion I wasn't aiming specificaly at jdobbs. Later, of course it turned ugly and for that I am sorry because it wasn't my wish to engage into discussions about DVD-RB as such but I still have a standpoint that closed beta testing shouldn't be done on open forums like Doom9's. That's why I asked wmansir to move the topic to more appropriate section.

@wmansir
It would be nice if the discussion of closed and commercial beta testing could be separated from the rest of the stuff and moved to appropriate section about Doom9's forum.

[wmansir]

The topic isn't off limits, but ideally I hope people will hold on until a resolution is made. Any resolution will have to involve Doom9 himself, but as I said he is unavailable for about 2 weeks. Bickering about it until that time will only be a distraction.

However, I'm going to leave this thread open because I know some people will need a place to vent over the subject. If I move or close it I'm sure another thread will pop up here soon. The main reason I closed the other thread was because of the hostility and borderline personal attacks. If this thread goes in that direction it will receive the same fate.

[marpada]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
One thing to add to your post is that the majority of dvds don't have angles, so the 0.64a version, which works flawlessly and it's free, is still a great version to use.


I don't agree 0.64a works flawlessly. Still overflow errors and audio dropouts.

In a fix is found for this problem, will it be released to general public, or just to VIPs?

[Rockas]

jdobbs will release versions without letters on their definition (ex.0.65) just for VIPs and donators.

After 30 day of that release, public will gain access to a version that will have the major bugs of that release fixed (ex. 0.65f - i'm being pessimist :D)

keep it UP

[dragongodz]

In a fix is found for this problem, will it be released to general public, or just to VIPs?
as Rockas said. consider though that what the VIPs would be getting is experimental versions to test if it is a fix or not which may infact cause more problems. now people who got VIP status by being testers are those that have helped track and try and find why the bugs are happening and possible solutions. do you really think giving experimental versions to people who just sit back and say "it doesnt work" of any use ? if anything you will end up with a heap of posts which in no way help to fix the problem. so isnt it better for these people to just wait a little while and hopefully get a more stable version ?

so why do donators get it aswell ? well maybe because they have shown that they may not be able to do extensive bug tracking but they are contributing to this moving forward.

[lamster]

Originally posted by lighty
IMO closed beta testings shouldn't be done in public forums.
Well, how do you feel about closed alpha testing going on in conjunction with open beta testing? :devil:

Particulary I was iritated on the Ateme commericial testing
That's a different situation. jdobbs has already indicated that his plans are for DVD Rebuilder to remain freeware.

[writersblock29]

I can agree with lightly on his main point; namely, that the beta testing forum be seperate from what's availible for public viewing. He's right! It is a bit frustrating to read about goodies that you have no access to! When I was involved with beta testing the latest DVD Shrink, our findings were reported on a private forum so that our collected energies could focus on DVD Shrink -- not in feilding questions about possible bugs and features from everyone and their uncle. Plus (and this mostly benifits Jdobbs -- as well it should), there weren't very many moments when the same bugs were reported repeatedly, ad nauseum, during the testing... which of course frees the developer, since he has less reports to pursue.

Also, I've noticed most of the public bug reports on DVDRebuilder thusfar are meerly confusion on how to properly run the program (and yes, I know I'm guilty of this, too!). Of course! Rebuilder's much like an unfinished building: The structure's there, but some of the user-friendly finishing touches aren't. It's easy to see signs of Jdobbs' frustration in his responses at times, which is something that I understand. He'd have less explaining to do to a smaller audience with a private forum... and wind up saving money on aspirin in the process. Hopefully, Doom9 will be able to help this when he returns.

I also see no cause for anger or bitterness in the event that you're not on the VIP list. We can't all be beta testers, after all -- but we'll all benefit in the end. I ask you to consider the amount of time that we've already collectively spent with Rebuilder. Now ask yourself this: Is a 30-day (approximate, I'm sure) wait between releases really out of the question? We all want it now -- in fact, I'm sure Jdobbs wishes that we had it now, so that such ugliness needn't surface on these threads. But I'd rather have the version that Jdobbs released in confidence, and feel my part in helping that release is to sit back an wait for it like 99% of the rest of us will have to.

"Good things come to those who wait." Good expression!

It's obvious that many here have powerful feelings on this subject, and I thank you for taking the time to read mine.

[Fr4nz]

Originally posted by marpada
I don't agree 0.64a works flawlessly. Still overflow errors and audio dropouts.

In a fix is found for this problem, will it be released to general public, or just to VIPs?

Well, I simply don't have the problems you say and also the majority of users doesn'thave ANY problem. Maybe you are doing something wrong, not DVD-RB...did you consider this? :rolleyes:

[marpada]

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Well, I simply don't have the problems you say and also the majority of users doesn'thave ANY problem. Maybe you are doing something wrong, not DVD-RB...did you consider this? :rolleyes:

I've backuped up quite a bunch of DVDs flawlessly before having this problem (only happens with The simpsons D3)

First came the overflow error, that's sure it's no my problem, that's why jdobbs added the experimental rebuild.
This option did solve the overlow error, but introduced audio dropouts.