could this be normal?

[jarthel]

I am not sure if this is related to the no-stop bug in scenaid prelease 7 but here goes. :)
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In the original DVD, there is a subtitle conversation that is displayed like this -> "Conversation here1", "Conversation here2", "Conversation here3".

In the downsampled DVD, "Conversation here2" is not displayed at all.

I ripped the downsampled DVD image (was encoded using new big 3 guide; scenaid prelease 7) using dif4u.

I looked at the bmp files (downsampled rip) and I cannot find it as well.

I also compared the no. of bmp files in the sub folder for the VTSes of the original DVD and downsampled DVD (both ripped by difu4) and the VTSes for the original DVD has more bmps. :|

Could this be normal?

If it isn't, is there a way to get back those missing subtitles? maybe it's in the vob but not properly ripped by dif4u.

Thanks for the replies.

[jel]

is there a way to get back those missing subtitles? maybe it's in the vob but not properly ripped by dif4u. i would re-rip the subs from the original dvd again, as if they were not ripped from the 'shrunk' dvd then they are not present on this disc.

btw didnt you already discuss this issue in another thread with D3s7? please keep all related discussions within a single thread to save people saying the same things twice.
thanks

[jarthel]

the other thread is about the nostop bug.

As I mentioned already (1st sentence of the thread), I am not sure if this is related to the nostop bug cause it behaves differently.

nostop bug = subs is displayed til next sub is encountered.

this thread talks about missing subs.

[D3s7]

Ok.. for the last time.... if your not going to answer my questions please stop posting that there is "bugs" in Scenaid...

No offense man but it's getting old

The only subs that should not have stops in the latest public beta should be those that are labels _NoStop in the filename.. This wasn't a bug but a new feature that has been updates. If subs's w/out "NOSTOP" in the filename are not having subs then I need to know and to see the script and one of the effected SST's...


Things to check w/ your problems: is there ANY import errors / warnings? You can look in the Scenarist_Import.log file that should be in the main demux dir:

Check also the Scenaid.log file.. this records the number of "valid" bmp's Scenaid found in your .sst files. If this number doesn't match the number in the .sst, then scan up farther and find which ones were removed and why.

In order to diagnose problems we need a little help from the users and a little more detail...

[jarthel]

I beg to differ and I do not need to answer any question from you as there was no question asked.

Here's my thread regarding the no-stop bug -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82664. Your last message in that thread is:
"either would work

you know you could have added the stops yourself..."

That is definitely not a question. I checked my inbox wondering if I got a private message (with the question) from you and I received none.

As I already mentioned, I am not sure if this bug is related to the no-stop bug cause it behaves differently.I also said that I am not sure if this is related to scenaid. My problem could be a could be caused by difu4 for all I know.

I am not an expert with DVD authoring but from my other thread, I gather that the "display subtitle longer than normal" is the no-stop bug. In this thread, I am missing subtitles. That's hardly similar to "display subtitle longer than normal".

I am not so sure now if you actually read my messages in this thread or "you just jump the gun and beginning shooting at me".

[jel]

I am not sure seems to be the defining trait here :rolleyes:

problem 1: start thread
user: i have this problem ...
developer: please try 'x', and send me 'y' so an analysis can be made.

problem 2 - compounded from problem 1: start new thread
user: i have this problem ...
developer: please try 'z' and dont forget 'y'

problem 3 - in similar vein to problem 1 and 2: start new thread
user: i have this problem ...
etc etc etc

...sorry if this is not the case but it certainly reads as such:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=537063#post537063
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81418
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82664
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82666

now the big question is whether at any point you either:
a) sent D3s7 the required files/logs
b) tried any of the suggestions made

if so ... great!
if not, then why not?
as with most queries, it makes life a lot easier for all parties concerned if the user provides well documented questions/concerns, along with any files/logs requested PLUS does some homework of their own to try to solve the issue.

so...

in regards to your initial question ...
no this is not normal but if there are subs missing in the 'downsampled' dvd then you should re-rip from the original disc, and supply the developers with any information they require to solve your initial problem, as chances are they ARE related... otherwise this will continue to go around in circles.

[jarthel]

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problem 1: start thread
user: i have this problem ...
developer: please try 'x', and send me 'y' so an analysis can be made.
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d3s7 suggested I can add the stops myself. I'm not an expert in scenarist so I replied back on the procedure on doing this. I got no reply. PLUS he never asked for any logs or any file from me. He only mentioned that the "no-stop" bug will be fix in 1.0 and that's a good assumption that he already knows what the the problem is without getting any files from me.

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problem 2 - compounded from problem 1: start new thread
user: i have this problem ...
developer: please try 'z' and dont forget 'y'
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you suggested that I re-ripped the original DVD. I would if it is still possible. And then you mentioned "
btw didnt you already discuss this issue in another thread with D3s7? please keep all related discussions within a single thread to save people saying the same things twice.". I wasn't discussing it with anyone. If you looked again on that thread, I was discussing it with myself. No bothered to reply.


linked thread 1 - > http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=537063#post537063: I didn't send him any files cause he solved the problem for me. I didn't re-ripped the DVD.


linked thread 2 -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81418: I must admit I didn't send him any files again. But if read the last message which was mine, he was asking for me files as requested in "linked thread 1". But because I'm not an expert in the ins-and-outs of DVD authoring. I wasn't sure if the problem lies in scenaid.

linked thread 3 -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82664. read reply on problem 1.

linked thread 4 -> http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82666: I never implied that I need pre-release 6 because of the "no-stop" bug. If d3s7 never asked why I need it, I wouldn't have mentined "no-stop" bug at all.

And finally:
"in regards to your initial question ...
no this is not normal but if there are subs missing in the 'downsampled' dvd then you should re-rip from the original disc, and supply the developers with any information they require to solve your initial problem, as chances are they ARE related... otherwise this will continue to go around in circles."

If you just mentioned "no this is not normal" then I would have stop. That is in essence the core of my question.

As for emailin the developers? Who should I email? d3s7 or the eyes'only? I already said I was sure where the problem lies. But if you mentioned that "ah I think it has something to do with scenaid" then I'll contact d3s7.

Originally posted by jel
seems to be the defining trait here :rolleyes:

problem 1: start thread
user: i have this problem ...
developer: please try 'x', and send me 'y' so an analysis can be made.

problem 2 - compounded from problem 1: start new thread
user: i have this problem ...
developer: please try 'z' and dont forget 'y'

problem 3 - in similar vein to problem 1 and 2: start new thread
user: i have this problem ...
etc etc etc

...sorry if this is not the case but it certainly reads as such:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=537063#post537063
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=81418
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82664
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82666

now the big question is whether at any point you either:
a) sent D3s7 the required files/logs
b) tried any of the suggestions made

if so ... great!
if not, then why not?
as with most queries, it makes life a lot easier for all parties concerned if the user provides well documented questions/concerns, along with any files/logs requested PLUS does some homework of their own to try to solve the issue.

so...

in regards to your initial question ...
no this is not normal but if there are subs missing in the 'downsampled' dvd then you should re-rip from the original disc, and supply the developers with any information they require to solve your initial problem, as chances are they ARE related... otherwise this will continue to go around in circles.

[influenza]

Hi jarthel some words of advice. Please be gentle on the developers of the various apps we're all using. One thing those developers tend to dislike is for us to call their apps buggy (no matter if that's true or not).

All of the developers do this completely in their free time (well they might steal a minute from their bosses every now and then ;) ) and gain nothing from it.. Well there are the scarce donations of course (and I can assure you that they are scarce).

From looking at your problem I don't think it has anything to do with no stop subs, but I just looked at it superficially.

What's a little bit in your disadvantage is that you say that you're not very experienced at reauthoring. This means that there's a risk you're not analyzing the problem correctly. So I would suggest we stop calling this a bug unless we know for sure. Let's call it a problem or challenge for the moment ok ? ;)

If you provide d3s7 with all the info he needs we might all benefit and find you a solution. If it's a problem with scenaid d3s7 might be able to do something for you (but again be gentle) and if it's something else we need to look further.

[jarthel]

Thanks for the kind words influenza. :)

If I truly and surely knows the bug lies in a specific app, I would say so and would have addressed this thread to the developer.

Also in my first message, I never mentioned the word "bug" in it. That is why I'm asking if what is happening is normal.

There are instances in scenarist importing that there are overlapping subtitles and scenarist does say "the subtitle may not be displayed". My missing subtitle could be caused by this overlapping.

But thank you again.

[jel]

well for the record, my only issues were that instead of following the initial root cause of the problem, you did not provide the required information to properly diagnose and solve the issue and opened related threads, that only served to confuse the matter. if it had been discussed as one related thread then i am positive that a solution would have been forthcoming well before now.

the developers do not ask for much:
* help to resolve any issues with their programs
* respect
* and maybe some loose change to go towards a cool beer at the end of a hard day coding :D

anyway back to your initial (well at least one of the early ones) problems. i have also noticed on one of the recent dvds that i have processed that the subs have been set to No_Stop, when they clearly should be set With-Stop. i have confirmed this has occured, i will email D3s7 with the required information (which is generally .ifos, sst's, .sub, .idx and .scp files - but please confirm with him prior to max-ing out everyones bandwith) and i am sure that when he wakes up in the morning he will analyse the files and find a solution ...

and thats the way that all problems should be tackled:
define the problem, research the problem, notify the developers by way of the forum of your issue, and then provide them with the necessary information they need to find and fix the problem.

simple really (well except for the developer who actually has to fix it ... :eek: )

peace
j