splitting a 5gb vob file

[frubsen]

you may ask why i have a 5gb vob file lol

well basically i really screwed up so lets start at the beginning.

i had a dvd ripped to my hard drive and i only had the main movie vts rippped. so all i had was the vts01 ifo and the vob files, no video_ts.ifo or nothin.

so basically what i wanted to do was strip it so all i had was 1 audio, 1 subtitle and the main video. i was hoping i could just strip all the extra audio and i would be left with the size of a dvdr but unfortunately it was over by 100mb or so.

so i tried putting it into doitfast4u and it created one big vob file for some reason and it did nothing else. then i tried stripping the video in ifoedit but i accidently overwrote the original vob files.

so i'm left with one big vob file, no ifo files.

what i guess i have to do, is split it back to 1gb files, create vts files for the vobs and a video_ts file, and then compress the video so it fits on a dvdr.

where do i start?

thanks.

[jorel]

try first step 3 - demux the vob with vob edit..., if don't work:

1-with dvd fab, in "other tools" create video manager(video_ts.ifo)
now choose pass 2(easy way) or pass 3

2-use dvdshrink(choose your options) or.....

3-use vobedit to demux and ifoedit choosing "author a new dvd"

you can find all tools and his guides in doom9 download page or here in the forum!
http://www.doom9.org
see downloads!

[purplehawk]

I'm a newbie and kinda stuck in the same situation. I have a movie. The main VOB file is 4GB and Nero certainly doesn't like it much. I do have all the IFOs , BUPs and VOBs.

What I need is for someone to please tell me how to make the over-large VOB smaller, or to split it in some way into two VOB files. And then be able to sucessfully burn it.

Is there a link available to a guide using vobedit or chopperxp that would explain step-by-step how to do it? I couldn't find a guide with my limited searching skill.

Thanks.

[jorel]

like i told you,in the doom9's download page have the programs(vobedit or chopperxp as you want),the link to his homepages with guides....and the doom9 guides too!
http://www.doom9.org/software2.htm#vobtools

[2COOL]

Originally posted by purplehawk
I'm a newbie and kinda stuck in the same situation. I have a movie. The main VOB file is 4GB and Nero certainly doesn't like it much. I do have all the IFOs , BUPs and VOBs.

What I need is for someone to please tell me how to make the over-large VOB smaller, or to split it in some way into two VOB files. And then be able to sucessfully burn it.

Is there a link available to a guide using vobedit or chopperxp that would explain step-by-step how to do it? I couldn't find a guide with my limited searching skill.

Thanks. Just do a mock-strip with IfoEdit on Titleset in question. That is stripping VOB IDs in VOB Extras but "keeping" everything. The default VOB Experts option on VOB size is set to 1 GB so if you have a over 1GB VOB, it should split it accordingly.

[jorel]

Originally posted by 2COOL
Just do a mock-strip with IfoEdit on Titleset in question. That is stripping VOB IDs in VOB Extras but "keeping" everything. The default VOB Experts option on VOB size is set to 1 GB so if you have a over 1GB VOB, it should split it accordingly.

i did tests trashing files to stay only with the same as frubsen have.
after all steps, the files seems fine but powerdvd don't work using "open the dvd file on hard disk drive". i forgot something?

[purplehawk]

Originally posted by 2COOL
Just do a mock-strip with IfoEdit on Titleset in question. That is stripping VOB IDs in VOB Extras but "keeping" everything. The default VOB Experts option on VOB size is set to 1 GB so if you have a over 1GB VOB, it should split it accordingly.

Thank you so much, 2COOL! This worked for me.

[2COOL]

@purplehawk

Great! :D

Edit: Also, check your PM.

@jorel

Originally posted by jorel
i did tests trashing files to stay only with the same as frubsen have.
after all steps, the files seems fine but powerdvd don't work using "open the dvd file on hard disk drive". i forgot something? Did you do a "Get VTS Sectors" in IfoEdit?

[jorel]

:o no...i knew, was my fault!
i "get VTS sectors" before or after stripping VOB IDs ? :confused:
you know,newbys bore too much! :p
thanks in advance 2C :cool: :cool: L

[2COOL]

Originally posted by jorel
i "get VTS sectors" before or after stripping VOB IDs ? :confused:What I usually do in the past was Get VTS Sectors after a rip. I also do it after replacing old files with new ones after stripping.

[jorel]

working perfect! :)

[chjones]

I can't seem to make this work properly. I've got single vobs per movie for several discs, ripped using DVD Decrypter's IFO mode, stripped of unused streams in the same program while ripping, and without the IFO files. What I end up with is a 3-8 GB vob (depending on the movie) that plays perfectly in WinDVD on XP or mplayer on unix. However, I'd like the option of going back to a set-top player occasionally, and that involves some remastering ;-)

From the above and the guides, here's what I've been trying to do:
1) use IFOedit to create new IFO files
2) do a "mock strip" of VobIDs, selecting all to keep
3) get VTS sectors
4) disc image

Trouble seems to be that after step 2 (this is on a vob of "Awakenings"), I go from a single file just shy of 4GB to two that are 1g, and a couple *hundred* more that are just a few kilobytes; in all, they add up to just over 2 gigs---what happenned to the rest? The resulting project won't open in IFOedit, but the image file (mounted) will play in WMP, though without seeking and a few other features.

Li'l help?

[2COOL]

@chjones

With your first post, Welcome to the Forum! :D

I'm trying to understand what kind of back-up you are trying to accomplish. Are you trying to backup a certain Title (VTS movie) individually or you trying to combine various Titles from other DVDs into one Title? I

If you are backing up a Title, a quick and simpler way to use DVD Shrink's re-authoring option. You just drag the Title in question, uncheck unwanted streams, and backup. At the end, you should have a working DVD without menus.

Combining different Titles from various DVDs may mostly likely lead to a invalid DVD structure.

[chjones]

Originally posted by 2COOL

I'm trying to understand what kind of back-up you are trying to accomplish. Are you trying to backup a certain Title (VTS movie) individually or you trying to combine various Titles from other DVDs into one Title?


Thanks for the quick turnaround, 2COOL!

I'm backing up a single title---or, more appropriately, trying to determine another way to use existing backups. I've previously stored movies as a single file on a hard disk, using DVD Decrypter. Disk space is not a consideration, but lack of transcoding artifacts is a must. Using decrypter, I ripped in IFO mode, but in Tools->Settings->IFO Mode enabled stream processing, changed "File splitting" to "None", unchecked "Copy IFO File", and chose not to create any other files. (Phew.) Finally, for stream processing, I uncheck all audio tracks and subtitles I don't want. Ripping then (quickly) creates a single file VOB which I can store easily and plays great on every computer I've tried.

What I'd like to do now is take one of those files (a single title), and put it on a disc for set-top playback (without menus, subtitles, alternate audio, etc., all of which have already been stripped.

My current method (above) doesn't seem to give the same results as those posted by jorel and purplehawk---or am I just expecting too much out of IFOedit's "create new IFOs"?

Sorry for the long posts...
CDJ

[2COOL]

Originally posted by chjones
What I'd like to do now is take one of those files (a single title), and put it on a disc for set-top playback (without menus, subtitles, alternate audio, etc., all of which have already been stripped.In your case, I would re-author with DVD Shrink. Here's your guide (http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php#reauthor)

You can rip with DVD Shrink but if you prefer DVD Decrypter, you must rip everything in File mode. Don't do the stripping in DVD Decrypter. Let DVD Shrink do the stripping.

[chjones]

Originally posted by 2COOL
In your case, I would re-author with DVD Shrink. Here's your guide (http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php#reauthor)

You can rip with DVD Shrink but if you prefer DVD Decrypter, you must rip everything in File mode. Don't do the stripping in DVD Decrypter. Let DVD Shrink do the stripping.

Since almost all my playback is from hard disk, and I'd like to keep backed up movies as a single file, any particular reason to do the ripping and/or stripping that way? (Other than to avoid the current problem? ;-) ) And anything I can do with the dozens of backups I have now to watch set-top?

Thanks again,
CDJ

[2COOL]

@chjones

Originally posted by chjones
Since almost all my playback is from hard disk, and I'd like to keep backed up movies as a single file, any particular reason to do the ripping and/or stripping that way? Reading your previous post...

Using decrypter, I ripped in IFO mode, but in Tools->Settings->IFO Mode enabled stream processing, changed "File splitting" to "None", unchecked "Copy IFO File", and chose not to create any other files. (Phew.) Finally, for stream processing, I uncheck all audio tracks and subtitles I don't want. Ripping then (quickly) creates a single file VOB which I can store easily and plays great on every computer I've tried.
...this will, of course, work when you choose to play it on your harddrive. However...

What I'd like to do now is take one of those files (a single title), and put it on a disc for set-top playback (without menus, subtitles, alternate audio, etc., all of which have already been stripped.
And anything I can do with the dozens of backups I have now to watch set-top?...seeing how you say that you only have single movie VOBs on your HD, it's a different set of rules when you put it on DVD. In order to be in DVD specs, your single VOBs must be split into an order of VOBs with each no greater than 1GB.

e.g.
VTS_01_1.VOB 1,785,428 KB

to

VTS_01_1.VOB 1,048,354 KB
VTS_01_2.VOB 737,074 KB
If you don't have the associate IFO anymore, you would have to create new ones with IfoEdit. guide (http://www.mpucoder.com/derrow/createifo.html) Keep in mind that creating new IFOs will produce only one Titleset, VTS_01. So, your VOB must be rename to VTS_01_1.VOB.

After you have done it, click on Get VTS Sectors in IfoEdit to correct your IFOs. guide (http://www.mpucoder.com/derrow/calcsec.html)

Now, that you have IFOs, process your files through DVD Shrink. At the end, DVD Shrink will split your VOBs accordingly and also shrink your movie if it's greater than a DVD-5.

If your VOB contained any subtitles, they will be fuzzy green. It is ideal that you have the original IFO then you can copy your original PGC's Color Look-up Table (CLUT) to your new one. guide (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=283424#post283424). If you didn't have it, you'll be hard pressed. Personally, I would just strip out the subtitles to avoid this. Again, this would've been not a problem if you have kept the original IFO.

Then there is the matter of correcting the Stream attributes in your movie. In your created VTS_01_0.IFO's VTS Overview, using IfoEdit to view again, the stream attributes are "unspecified". The ones we need to be concerned about are your Audio and Sub-pictures attributes. If you want the language to correctly display on your TV/monitor, you will have to edit them. Again, the original IFO would be a ideal reference or else you'll have to go with an educated guess.
e.g.
VTS overview:

Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x480 (NTSC) (NTSC 525/60) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
Audio 1: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)

Double-click on this line and change the attributes. Fields most commonly to be concerned about is setting your Language and setting Language type to present.

<whew> I hope this covers all bases. In the future, if you are even contemplating on burning your movie-only (Title) onto a DVD, I suggest you use DVD Shrink's reauthor (http://www.dvdshrink.info/guides.php#reauthor) mode, ripping and shrinking. The associated IFOs do not take up that much space. It takes alot more time and effort to undo what you have on your HD. ;)

[chjones]

Wow, 2COOL---thanks so much for putting so much time into this.

This is fairly similar to what I'd been trying. Unfortunately, still not quite there. Following the above (and the linked guides), I still can't open the files in DVD shrink.

I've copied a large .vob (~4GB) into an empty VIDEO_TS folder and renamed it to VTS_01_1.VOB. Created IFOs, edited audio track language, saved, reopened, and got VTS sectors (it corrected a couple). I was left with a VIDEO_TS directory containing VIDEO_TS.IFO, VIDEO_TS.BUP, VTS_01_0.IFO, VTS_01_0.BUP, and VTS_01_1.VOB (the movie).

At this point, I tried to "Open Files" in DVD Shrink and select the VIDEO_TS folder, and received the error message:
"Invalid data in file D:\archives\movies\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB". Googling didn't seem to yield any useful results about the cause of this error.

I've previously tried the "mock strip" above, and end up with some real funkiness (see my first post).

Thanks again for all the help---feel free to let me know when you're sick of me ;-)
CDJ

[2COOL]

Originally posted by chjones
At this point, I tried to "Open Files" in DVD Shrink and select the VIDEO_TS folder, and received the error message:
"Invalid data in file D:\archives\movies\VIDEO_TS\VTS_01_1.VOB". Googling didn't seem to yield any useful results about the cause of this error.Straight from the author, dvdshrink...
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=153150#post153150

Work with another movie VOB. Maybe the one you are working on right now is corrupted.

Have you done this?

1) use IFOedit to create new IFO files
2) Get VTS sectors
3) do a "mock strip" of VobIDs, selecting all to keep
4) get VTS sectors
5) Play to test (do not continue if test fails)
6) disc image

[chjones]

Originally posted by 2COOL

Have you done this?

1) use IFOedit to create new IFO files
2) Get VTS sectors
3) do a "mock strip" of VobIDs, selecting all to keep
4) get VTS sectors
5) Play to test (do not continue if test fails)
6) disc image

I thought this is what I was doing before, but must be somehow subtly different. It's working so far with the three VOBs I've tried---thanks! I'll reply to this thread again with further problems along the same line.

And on a personal note, thanks again for the outstanding level of effort you've put into helping those of us in this thread and on the board, 2cool---you're definitely an asset to the community.
CDJ

[2COOL]

Originally posted by chjones
I thought this is what I was doing before, but must be somehow subtly different. It's working so far with the three VOBs I've tried---thanks! I'm glad things worked for you. :)

And on a personal note, thanks again for the outstanding level of effort you've put into helping those of us in this thread and on the board, 2cool---you're definitely an asset to the community.
CDJ Thank you :D

[chjones]

Originally posted by chjones
I thought this is what I was doing before, but must be somehow subtly different. It's working so far with the three VOBs I've tried---thanks! I'll reply to this thread again with further problems along the same line.


As it turns out, there are a couple of "problem" VOBs; this is only tangentially related, but I'm trying to accomodate as many as possible to add to a guide on how to do this (using the above workflow as a starting point).

One movie I have uses 42 VobIDs---but they're not 1-42. They're 4,6,7,8,10, and so on, up to 93 or so. Unfortunately, doing a "mock strip" in IFOedit prompts me to select VobIDs 1-42; selecting all results in only half the movie or so (those actually existing VobIDs less than 42). That is, only VobIDs 4,6,7,8,10, and so on, up to 42.

I've been able to work around this by mock stripping streams instead of VobIDs; this seems to work, at least for the moment.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by chjones
One movie I have uses 42 VobIDs---but they're not 1-42. They're 4,6,7,8,10, and so on, up to 93 or so. Unfortunately, doing a "mock strip" in IFOedit prompts me to select VobIDs 1-42; selecting all results in only half the movie or so (those actually existing VobIDs less than 42). That is, only VobIDs 4,6,7,8,10, and so on, up to 42.Here's what I want you to do with this problem VOB.
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1. Open VOB with VobEdit.
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2. Click on Demux button
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3. Select Cell Id and OK
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4. Create New folder and save default filename "VTS_01_001.VOB" to that folder.
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5. When process is done, you should have incrementing VOBs

e.g. VTS_01_001.VOB, VTS_01_002.VOB, VTS_01_003.VOB, ...VTS_01_042.VOB.

Click on open and browse to your new folder.
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6. Select VTS_01_001.VOB
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7. Go up to Edit and select Join clips
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8. Click on save
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9. For First Vob-Id, you should have "1". Click OK.
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10. At the end, you should have VTS_01_1.VOB, VTS_01_2.VOB, VTS_01_3.VOB, etc.
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11. Create new IFOs for these new VOBs
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12. Get VTS Sectors
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13. Open up VTS_01_1.IFO with VIDChanger (http://www.posunplugged.com/jsoto/). Note: Though this is optional, I want you to have your IDs in proper consecutive order.
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14. Set Input and output folder only and OK

At the end, you should have a IFO with VOB / Cell Ids of 1/1 to 1/42.
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15. Test to play
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I know it's a long process but I just want to know if it works.

[chjones]

Originally posted by 2COOL
13. Open up VTS_01_1.IFO with VIDChanger (http://www.posunplugged.com/jsoto/). Note: Though this is optional, I want you to have your IDs in proper consecutive order.
___________________________
14. Set Input and output folder only and OK

At the end, you should have a IFO with VOB / Cell Ids of 1/1 to 1/42.
___________________________
15. Test to play
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I know it's a long process but I just want to know if it works.

This doesn't seem to work. VIDChanger didn't make a VIDEO_TS.IFO, so I had to run this through IFOedit's Create IFO's another time, Get VTS Sectors, and then tried to open. It plays in IFOedit, but won't play when an image is made, and won't open in DVD shrink (I get the "invalid data" message we all know and love).

All in all, very complicated---I think I'll stick with just doing the mock strip with streams instead of VOB ID's---that seemed to work fine, uses only IFOedit, and takes a little less time.

[2COOL]

Originally posted by chjones
This doesn't seem to work. VIDChanger didn't make a VIDEO_TS.IFO. Sorry! I forgot to mentioned that you supposed to replace the old ones with the one VIDChanger created for you. Anyways, if doing the mock stream stripping works for you, then stick with. ;)