RV10 High Definition Trailers !

[Dark-Cracker]

Hi,

i was interested to see the result of the rv10 in high resolution so i have made some little tests.
if u are interested u can download files here :

http://xeoteam.info/autorv10/

LIST :
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- Starwars ep III : 60 MB (anamorphic 1032 * 440 @ 2211 kbps / 2 CH)
- Yugioh the movie : 30 MB (lanczos 1280 * 688 @ 3364 kbps / 2 CH)
- Bourne Supremacy : 45 MB (lanczos 1280 * 688 @ 3130 kbps / 2 CH)
- King Arthur : 40 MB (anamorphic 1280x544 @ 2330 kbps / 5.1 CH)
- Spiderman 2 : 45 MB (lanczos 1280x688 @ 3250 kbps / 2 CH)
- SwordFish : 40 MB (anamorphic 1036x432 @ 2500 kbps / 2 CH)


Bye.

[SeeMoreDigital]

What sources did you encode from?


Cheers

[Dark-Cracker]

it's written on the page :

swordfish from a dvd 720 x 576 cropped at 712 x 432.
spiderman from a HDTV sample at 1920x1088i

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
it's written on the page :

swordfish from a dvd 720 x 576 cropped at 712 x 432.
spiderman from a HDTV sample at 1920x1088i Thanks. I have to admit I did not look at your page!

Your Spider-man source, where did you get it from?

Was it all image or was it 2.35:1 with black mattes?


Cheers

[Dark-Cracker]

the hdtv spiderman source have been provided by a friend, it was a 1.85 DAR

EDIT : but next trailer is "king arthur" with 2.35 DAR and 5.1 audio

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[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks DC.

I've downloaded it, but I'm struggling to play it at the moment!

This is strange as I'm able to play Mpeg4 and WMV9 files at 1280x720 quite well.

Maybe when my new video card, with 256MB of on-board memory, arrives I'll have more luck!


Cheers

[Dark-Cracker]

i suggest u to try to disable HFE if u have install it and try with MPC + realsplitter it use a bit less cpu.

Hope this can help u :)

Bye.

[Sagittaire]

@ SMD

XviD ~1.5 Mhz in 720p without PP
DivX5 ~1.5 Mhz in 720p without PP
DivX3 ffvfw ~1.2 Mhz in 720p without PP
WMV9 ~1.5 Mhz in 720p without PP
RV10 ~2.4 Mhz in 720p Without HFE
VP6 ~1.5 Mhz in 720p without PP

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks Sagittaire,

I had not realised RealVideo used so much more CPU power than it's competitors.

I can't remember RV9 being this hungry!


Cheers

[Razorblade2000]

funny... swordfish worked fine on my 2500+ mobile laptop (ATI IGP Card @ 16 MB)

looked really nice :D

[Dark-Cracker]

yes the swordfish video is anamorphic so the final payback is smooth but in spiderman the scene when the car go throw the glass is really hard to play even on my P4 2.4 Ghz

i still have 3 trailer at encoding :
- king arthur
- bourne supremacy
- helsing

so if u have some suggestion for the resolution or the bitrate range feel free to post them.

i think the king arthur will be next at 1280x544 (2.35 ratio) with 5.1 audio at 186 kbps and video bitrate around 3200 kbps.

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[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Dark-Cracker
...so if u have some suggestion for the resolution or the bitrate range feel free to post them.

i think the king arthur will be next at 1280x544 (2.35 ratio) with 5.1 audio at 186 kbps and video bitrate around 3200 kbps. Encode using a video bit-rate no greater than 3500Kbps. (This would theoretically give you 180 mins per DVD~R/RW). Ideally you should use an pixel frame size of 1280x720, for all encodes, including those with mattes. But if you feel the need to crop, use the following as a guide: -

For 1.77:1 use 1280x720
For 1.85:1 use 1280x688
For 2.35:1 use 1280x544
For 2.40:1 use 1280x528


Cheers

[Sagittaire]

here (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/HPIII.wmv) HPIII HD 720p trailer WM9 encoding ... :devil:
Picture Aspect Ratio 16:9 & Pixel Aspect Ratio 1:1
- Video WMV9 Pro 1280*720*24 2500 Kbps
- Audio WMA9 Pro 5.1 24 bit 192 Kbps

here (http://jfl1974.free.fr/Video/Catwoman.wmv) Catwoman HD 1080p anamorphic trailer WM9 encoding ... :devil:
Picture Aspect Ratio 2.35:1 & Pixel Aspect Ratio 4:3
- Video WMV9 Pro 1440*800*24 3500 Kbps
- Audio WMA9 Pro 5.1 24 bit 288 Kbps [/B]

Try to make 1080p anamorphic 1440*816@1920*816 for very very hard playback
Picture Aspect Ratio 2.35:1 & Pixel Aspect Ratio 4:3

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sagittaire
Picture Aspect Ratio 2.35:1 & Pixel Aspect Ratio 4:3 Personally I would not even contemplate generating encodes using 1080/88 vertical pixels. Not unless they are interlaced!

The 1080p encodes on Micro$oft's web site are all well and good but they are all 'anamorphic'. There's not one 'true' 1920x1080/88p on their site.

And when it comes to rendering over 2,000,000 pixels per 16:9 frame, it's comes as no surprise either!

Please... just stick with 1280x720p for the time being.


Cheers

[Sirber]

I think this is coz of the inloop filter. Disabling it while necoding will lower the CPU needed.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sirber
I think this is coz of the inloop filter. Disabling it while necoding will lower the CPU needed. Disabling it will help I'm sure. But the main reason why current 1080 material is broadcast 'interlaced' (and not progressive) is because it's a massive bandwidth saver!

Don't forget, just one field frame (you need two) from a 1080i broadcast, carries 1,036,800 pixels. Which is considerably more pixels that a 'full' 720p frame - 12.5% more in fact!

Granted, true 1080p images would look positively awsome... but nobody is broadcasting it. And I can't see it being streamed down-the-pipe any time soon!


Cheers

[Sagittaire]

1080i 29.990 fps telecide ... IVTC and decimate and we obtain true 1080p 23.976 fps ... :confused:

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Sagittaire
1080i 29.990 fps telecide ... IVTC and decimate and we obtain true 1080p 23.976 fps ... :confused: Why are you confused?

[Dark-Cracker]

added a new trailer : "King Arthur" check on the first post for the url and the complete trailer list.

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[Dark-Cracker]

i have update the page with the "Bourne supremacy" trailer.

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[karl_lillevold]

These are great RV10 test clips. I noticed that on my system the Win32 version of mplayer played them back much better than both RealPlayer and MPC, that is much smoother and with less stutter (lower CPU usage). I narrowed the problem down to a change I had done to enable the sharpening feature in the HFE2 pre-release DLL. This change disabled one optimization path for playback performance, and one extra memcopy was done, even when both HFE2 and sharpening were turned off, as long as the HFE2 DLL was used for decoding. (mplayer for Win32 has its own older decoder DLLs, and never saw this problem).

So I have changed the sharpening such that it does not require this overall reduction in playback performance, and will make a new HFE2 build shortly. This will have better playback performance both with and without HFE2 and/or sharpening enabled. Still, for HD resolution playback, it is a good idea to turn off both HFE2 and sharpening, for the best possible playback performance.

Another fix is of course to un-install HFE2, which will put back the original RealPlayer DLL.

[Sirber]

cool! less CPU will be "wasted" when I watch and encode :D

Would it be better to use "unmark" filter instead of the current sharpening filter? :)

[karl_lillevold]

I just posted the improved HFE2.1 decoder DLL (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75278), with a new and improved installer as well. Please use this instead of the previous version for any HD material playback, or if you found that the previous HFE2 was taking too much CPU.

[Dark-Cracker]

i have add the trailer "Yugioh the movie" for those who are interested with the result of the rv10 on some anime.
the source was a bit noisy (moskito noise around the edges), and some rainbow artefact.

filter used are IT 2.5 for the inverse telecine, bifrost for the derainbow, removegrain mode 2 and warpsharp preset strong.

i hope the result was not too crap for your eyes.

Enjoy ++.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

i have add the Starwars ep III in the trailers list.

3min39 for 60 mb in 1032 * 440 at 2211 kbps.

Enjoy.

[Backflip]

Nice clips. King Arthur trailer is very sharp on playback in Xbox Media Center :)

[karl_lillevold]

Originally posted by Backflip
Nice clips. King Arthur trailer is very sharp on playback in Xbox Media Center :)
That's something I've always wanted to see...! But isn't the Xbox only 700 MHz, at which it can play back only SD video clips in RealVideo at full framerate..?

[Backflip]

Yip, I found it peculiar too that King Arthur plays. The other trailers drop frames all over the show especially during panning scenes/fast motion. Maybe because XBMC is based on MPlayer (Windows) it uses the same tricks to minimize CPU usage. Mind you from memory I'm pretty sure I could play the King Arthur trailer on my 1GHz/128ram machine also, using MPlayer (and perhaps MPC), but yeah the Xbox only has a 700MHz CPU.

edit - still haven't tried the Swordfish trailer

[Dark-Cracker]

i still have a few trailer to encode (in order to test the next autorv10 version) i still have :

DVD Res : danny the dog / fight Club
HDTV : The Mask Soon / XXX2 / Another Day / Deep Blue

if someone have a personal choise feel free to ask else i will encode the next interesting material to made some tests.

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[Backflip]

Cool, XXX2 :)

[clone83]

Star Wars 3

[Backflip]

King Kong trailer for sure! It made it's debut on TV all around the world pretty much simultaneously. There must've been a high res cap opportunity somewhere =)

[Backflip]

Is there an alternative server to download HD RV10 trailers from?

[Dark-Cracker]

the SW3 trailer have hit a lot of download and my webmaster have close the folder after the 200 gb downloaded in 10 days , i will ask him to re-open it when i will add a new trailer :)

i will perhaps try to made some torrent file to avoid this matter.

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[Musafir_86]

Hello,

-Hmm, it's look like that the link ( http://dark.pluridis.org/trailers/ ) was long dead. Can you re-open it? Or maybe you can upload all the files to MegaUpload/RapidShare/MediaFire etc.? Any help is appreciated, thanks.


Musafir_86.

[killerhex]

Hello,

-Hmm, it's look like that the link ( http://dark.pluridis.org/trailers/ ) was long dead. Can you re-open it? Or maybe you can upload all the files to MegaUpload/RapidShare/MediaFire etc.? Any help is appreciated, thanks.


Lone_Wanderer.

i 2nd that

[Sirber]

Guys, this is 2 years old. Time to move on...

[Dark-Cracker]

I should still have them on my harddrive so i will try to upload them or made some torrent as soon as possible.

bye.

[killerhex]

i just want the HFE gui

[Sirber]

i just want the HFE gui

:search:

[Musafir_86]

I should still have them on my harddrive so i will try to upload them or made some torrent as soon as possible.

bye.


-Thanks a lot! Please PM me when you're done, thanks again.:thanks:

Musafir_86.


P/S : If you have or know any other RV10 HD clips, you can add them too!

[Dark-Cracker]

Hi everybody :)

i have updated the links on the first post.

All the thanks goes to the personne who have provided me an host *he will recognize himselft*, thank you man :)

Bye.

[Seraphic-]

Dark-Cracker, how did you get away with such low bit-rates? I find myself having to use bit-rates of around 10,000-15,000 to keep videos looking like the raw.

[Dark-Cracker]

hi,

i those specific cases i have used the Alternative curve scaling formula, used internaly in autorv10 to adjust the 2 pass curse.
After i think it's the codec and the compressibility of the source who can influence the amount of bitrate to use.

Bye.