suggestions for ripping Waking Life

[Blue_MiSfit]

Well, as some of you may know, the movie "Waking Life" is a very tricky one to encode. There is loads of seemingly random motion, as this is a "cartoon painted over real footage while on mushrooms" kind of movie.

Very odd. Good film though...

At any rate, I was wondering if anyone had had any luck encoding it before, and what avs filters etc they used. I did my usual encode with just unfilter(-5,-5), and it looked pretty bad at full res @ approx 1500 kbit

I will play some more, Ideas?

[frodoontop]

You don't really expect movies that are difficult to compress, to stay in nice quality when not resizing to a smaller resolution?

For 16:9 movie try to rescale to 576x320 and for 4:3 try to rescale to 512x384. This will boost quality if the material is hard to compress.

[greycortex]

The solution is simple: pump up the bitrate. Put it on 2 CD's as opposed to just one. That's an episodic film like Kurosawa's Dreams, right? With my new DVD burner I'm not as wary to skimp on bitrate when it really hurts the quality with a single CD backup.

[thoralf]

I remember having seen this movie once compressed to about 500 MByte with divx, and it was looking surprisingly good. Can't remember the resolution, though ...

[Blue_MiSfit]

obviously im going for 2 cds ( actually 1100mb - 1/4 of a dvd-r )

did a cq2 encode with temporal soften, pixiedust(2), and undot at 640x352 (i think thats what it was - not at my comp so no way to be sure), and it turned out to be 1.6 gigs - thats encouraging. Result was very good too - I think denoisers can be used heavily on this source due to its cartoonish look.


my only real question was whether or not anyone had encoded this movie before and had suggestions as to avisynth filters to boost compressability.

[thoralf]

Just as a matter of interest: could you try a 1 cd-encode as well? And report the drf you get?
btw, i doubt that cartoon mode will help in this case - according to some other threads, it was merely designed to help with "real" cartoons like the simpsons etc.
When I did a backup of Finding Nemo, I had to go for 2 cds as well - long movie, _lots_ of motion and a half-natural, half-cgi-ish look ...

with kind regards,
Thoralf.

[Audionut]

Removegrain(mode=4, modeU=2) (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79751&highlight=removegrain)

[Blue_MiSfit]

I will try a 1cd encode - I think to avoid blocking I am going to have to really drop the resolution to 352xwhatever, BUT...


did a cq2 encode with temporal soften, pixiedust(2), and undot at 640x352 (i think thats what it was - not at my comp so no way to be sure), and it turned out to be 1.6 gigs - thats encouraging. Result was very good too - I think denoisers can be used heavily on this source due to its cartoonish look.


As you can tell, this is going to be a tough one to fit onto 1 cd.

I think for the time being I will do a very nice half DVD encode (2.3 gigs) with AC3 audio and upsized resolution. Maybe even iip if I can figure out how to configure that monster of a script :O

Yeah, cartoon mode seems to do very little.

Finding Nemo is very difficult to encode :O!! However, I have yet to find a way to cope with Family Guy's hybrid Interlaced and Progressive structure!!

Anyone know which deinterlacer works well on THAT source?

Long winded post done...
~misfit

[Chainmax]

As an alternative to Audionut's suggestion, you could try RemoveGrain(mode=8) too. Also, mf once recommended me to use Deen("a2d",1,3,5) instead of Dust. I haven't tested it much, but it does seem to help compressibility without removing that much detail. In any case, I don't think you should use Cartoon Mode as AFAIK it's really meant for cartoons like Simpsons or Futurama, which have large evenly colored areas and not too much detail. I don't think this movie falls into that cathegory. As for deintelacers, have you tried Leak's BlendBob?

[Blue_MiSfit]

No need for a deinterlacer. I used force film in DVD2AVI.

I will try those suggestions - I am currently in the middle of a little 1cd comparison between auto rv10, manual xvid, and autogk.

[Chainmax]

Originally posted by Blue_MiSfit
Anyone know which deinterlacer works well on THAT source?[/B]
I was answering to that.

[Blue_MiSfit]

AH! I had forgotten that I even mentioned Family Guy.

To answer your question, no I have not tried blendbob - I am assuming it deals well with hybrid sources well?

[Chainmax]

I have no idea, but I figure it's worth a try. How much of the disc is FILM and how much is video?

[Blue_MiSfit]

don't recall offhand, but we're getting a little OT here ;)

A friend of mine owns the DVDs and I was trying to rip them for him a couple months ago. When I get back to school in the next couple weeks I will try ripping again and get back to yall.

(maybe even with an official family guy rip guide! ;) )

[thoralf]

for the records:

I did a 2-cd-backup (aiming at 1356520 KBytes video size) without any filtering except crop, undot and lancos resize (to 704 x 368). With XVid 1.1 and the MPEG matrix, I got an average quant of 3.74. I couldn't spot any blocking in the resulting file, but this may due to my rather unsensible eyes :-)
I also tried a one cd version (video size 643264 kbyte). I lowered the resolution to 672 x 352, added the RemoveGrain filter as suggested above and used H.263 - average quant 6.75. Just as a matter of curiosity, I replaced RemoveGrain by the "little noise" filter combination suggested by GordianKnot - Undot(), Temporalsoften(2,3,3,mode=2,scenechange=6), mergechroma(blur(1.3)), FluxSmooth(5,7) - this one came out with an aq of 6.98. However, both version were riddled with blocks and quantisation artefacts ...
To sum this up: a one-cd-backup of this movie at a reasonable resolution is not possible, a 2 cd encode looks really nice. Cartoon mode didn't make any significant differences at all.