keeping all the extras and only encode main movie?

[Van the man]

Hi!

How can I keep all Extras untouched and only encode main movie?
Dvd-RB encodes all extras and I cant see any options that allow to have them untouched.....

Can someone please help me?

thanks

[nimbles]

this would hae be done manually- use something like dvd remake the blank the extras, edit the ccetargetsize to be 4.37GB- size of extras,

encode then copy over the blanked extras with the orignals again

there's no way of them not being touched from withing DVD-RB (that i know of anyway)

[Van the man]

are you sure I can just copy over the ifo's and vob's (all the extras) in the Video_ts folder after dvd-RB is done encoding/rebuilding ?

Im not so sure about that.....

thanks for the reply tho ;)

Hope Im wrong :)

[mmgrover]

Yes that can be done :-)

I have done a very similiar thing with CloneDVD2 and the Big3.

I encoded the extras with CloneDVD2 and did the main movie with
the big three and it worked very well


mike

[Lagoon]

Don't you just have to uncheck their VTS Sets in rebuilder? I though that'd not process them.

[Van the man]

Don't you just have to uncheck their VTS Sets in rebuilder? I though that'd not process them.

Dvd-RB does still process them :(

I encoded the extras with CloneDVD2 and did the main movie with
the big three and it worked very well

Are you sure it will play correctly in the dvd player?
I thought the vts thing doesnt worki when you just copy over like that.

:confused: :confused:

[nimbles]

if you uncheck the extras titelsets in dvd-rb- then DVD-RB will use the full DVD5 disk space for the main title, so when you add the extras back the output will be oversized

you would have to use ccetargetsize to reduce the output VIDEO_TS folder to account for the size of the extras

I'm pretty sure you onl need to copy the VOB's over.

If you are worried try playing the resulting output in mark's tray dvd player thats quite fussy with dvd compliance.

[robot1]

Originally posted by nimbles
if you uncheck the extras titelsets in dvd-rb- then DVD-RB will use the full DVD5 disk space for the main title, so when you add the extras back the output will be oversizedI think this is not correct. DVD-RB does always a full disk copy.

Originally posted by nimbles
you would have to use ccetargetsize to reduce the output VIDEO_TS folder to account for the size of the extras

I'm pretty sure you onl need to copy the VOB's over.

If you are worried try playing the resulting output in mark's tray dvd player thats quite fussy with dvd compliance. If you want to leave the original extras, you can do these steps.
Prepare in DVD-RB
Open the rebuilder.inf in RB-Opt
Find the extras, and set their reduction near to 100% (you should have 99.9x %).
Save
Encode and rebuild in DVD-RB
Copy original extras vob's and ifo's to the reauthored ones (even at 99.9x%, they are re-encoded).
Open Video_TS.ifo in IFOEDIT and press "GET VTS SECTORS".
Test before burning.
This works only if extras are in separate VTS's

Probably you can use also RB-Keeper for this task, but I don't know how it works in detail.

[Faust2]

If you want to leave the original extras, you can do these steps.
Prepare in DVD-RB
Open the rebuilder.inf in RB-Opt
Find the extras, and set their reduction near to 100% (you should have 99.9x %).
Save
Encode and rebuild in DVD-RB
Copy original extras vob's and ifo's to the reauthored ones (even at 99.9x%, they are re-encoded).
Open Video_TS.ifo in IFOEDIT and press "GET VTS SECTORS".
Test before burning.
This works only if extras are in separate VTS's

I'm probably totally dense, and I can't say I get all of what this thread is about, but isn't RB-Opt supposed to alloca...


/reads again the quote and suddenly gets it


forget it :) :rolleyes:

Anyway, is it possible, by using this method with reverse logic (set all/certain extras on a VTS or Cell level to .1% compression), to
blank the corresponding stuff f.e. in titlesetblanker after the encode??

If so, then I have finally found a way (for me) to come close to my personal "some extras, but not all the crap"-edition

:cool:

BTW, robot1, your tool is totally swell and for me the must-have add-on for this gorgous app called rebuilder!
Its a blessing that jdobbs decided to make everything so accessible (spelling?) for third-party-apps, so even now in beta its possible to use this one-clicker as a very very powerfull (nearly-)all-purpose-solution!

[robot1]

Originally posted by Faust2
Anyway, is it possible, by using this method with reverse logic (set all/certain extras on a VTS or Cell level to .1% compression), to
blank the corresponding stuff f.e. in titlesetblanker after the encode??

If so, then I have finally found a way (for me) to come close to my personal "some extras, but not all the crap"-edition

:cool:
RB-Opt allow to reduce a cell to a minimum bitrate of 500 Kbit/sec. You can reduce extras, so they use less space, but you can't remove them. The quality will be very bad, with these bitrates!
And, sometimes, CCE could have problems with such a small bitrate. If you want remove extras, it's better with other tools, such as DVDremake, dvdstripper, clonedvd, vobblanker, titlesetblanker...
RB-Opt let you choose the amount of compression for the extras you leave, which can be lesser respect to the compression of the film, according to your tastes.

[TheSeeker]

This may be blasphemy here I dont know but maybe if the compression levels arent too high you could try out IC8 or DVDShrink? They allow for different compression ratios for the movie and extras. So you could remove any extras you didnt want with DVDRemake. Take the output from that and plug it into dvdshrink. Set all the extras with a little less compression set the movie for a little higher do a deep analysis, then do a backup with AEC (adaptive error compensation) set to default of sharp. Im telling you Shrink has improved by light years with the new version 3.2. AEC has pretty much made it as good or better than IC. Does a VERY good job with 70% compression ratio or more.

EDIT: Just a thought. Might want to give it a shot and see how it works for you. Its a little easier than some other options.

[Faust2]

To clarify: I had the idea to use rb-opt to reduce some extras at a per vts or per-cell level to a space close to zero, use the space for the rest of the DVD (film and wanted extras) and then blank (after encode/rebuild) the not wanted extras. If RB-Opt's min ABR is 500 kbit/s, this is probably not working :(

I know there are some other methods to do this, but some i can't afford, and some i'm too lazy to learn, so instead i tend to use tools i know :)

[robot1]

Originally posted by Faust2
To clarify: I had the idea to use rb-opt to reduce some extras at a per vts or per-cell level to a space close to zero, use the space for the rest of the DVD (film and wanted extras) and then blank (after encode/rebuild) the not wanted extras. If RB-Opt's min ABR is 500 kbit/s, this is probably not working :( Why don't you blank before? I never had problems (someone reports errors with the output of DVDRemake).

[Faust2]

Well, i had (some time ago)...

Maybe it's worth a try. But also, I don't know if titlesetblanker can blank individual cells?

Maybe i just put myself together and test it :)

(
I think adding a blank-functionality to RB-Opt is too keen to ask for ... :D ; because this would be the ultimate user-friendly solution: You could use just Rebuilder to produce a at least acceptable 1:1 backup, and if you want to tweak the DVD further more, preview and select which extras you want with a lower bitrate, or which you don't want at all, combine it with use of filters and different matrices, you just use RB-Opt... I imagine in this case jdobbs maybe could be even saved of to implement this functionality, since your tool does it already so well... But then again, its probably very complicated :(
)

[cyberbob25]

Originally posted by Faust2:

To clarify: I had the idea to use rb-opt to reduce some extras at a per vts or per-cell level to a space close to zero, use the space for the rest of the DVD (film and wanted extras) and then blank (after encode/rebuild) the not wanted extras.

If you don't want to blank the extras before encoding, you can still accomplish this by using the ccetargetsize switch. Just make the target size 4.37 + the size of your extras. This would still allocate all available bitrate to your movie, and will then be the correct size once you blank out the extras. But I agree with Robot1, I find it much easier to just do it beforehand. The only arguement I can think of for doing it afterward is that rebuilder sometimes (though not very often) has a problem with preprocessed material.

[robot1]

Originally posted by Faust2
I think adding a blank-functionality to RB-Opt is too keen to ask for ... :D ; because this would be the ultimate user-friendly solution: The main problem could be the compatibility with all stand-alone players :( Anyway, from the Rebuilder.inf and from the Rebuilder.ecl RB-Opt can't get the audio (and subtitle) size of the cells to blank: so it's impossible to assign all the free space to the other cells.
So, for now, either you pre-process, or you post-process.
If you don't want to change everytime the TargetSectors in the Rebuilder.ini, you can use RB-Opt to have an oversized dvd (there is also an "estimate size" which can help).