Questions for real 10 codec junkies.

[gavo]

I have a few questions if the advanced users of real helix codec don't mind. I curious at what settings are best for archiveing good quaitly at high bitrates. I been using Easy RealMedia Producer as it been the only stable gui I have seen that has all the current features. In my tests I have found that real 10 at above bitrate 750 works good with b-frames 0 and new rate control enable and using resizeing start through Avisynth. I seen to be haveing trouble tho at high bitrates with noisy edges. It seems that the filter didn't seem to work very well ether. I also curious as my tests have not showed very good results with both inloop quant and Avisynth filters, what setting would you suggest and which filter in Avisynth would you suggest? I also curious to now what would you suggest for very low bitrates say 100-300 in turns of settings and very high bitrates say 2500+. NOob question here, what setting of video mode do you prefar.Two more questions please, Is it possible to stream a .rmvb file and can you stream .ram of www.animemusicvideos.com as it has a username and password request. If anyone has any suggestions that would be greatly apperated. Thank you for your time and patinece in reading this as you can see I'm a noobie to this form so please have mercy on me. :script:

[Sirber]

You are breaking rule #12:
12) How NOT to post on this forum:

Do not ask "what's best" because this question cannot be answered objectively. Each and everyone has their own view about what's best in a certain area. The best is what works best for you!

[lexor]

Originally posted by Sirber
You are breaking rule #12:

Last time I checked Doom9 Guides do not contain RV10 etc, and he doesn't ask for what's best in general among all codecs, so his question is quite justified. He wants specific codec (RV10) for specific purpose (streaming at low bitrate 100-300). So lay off of the guy.

[Sirber]

Sorry, I miss-read.

For low bitrate:

RC: old one
Filter: DropDupe
EHQ: 100

For high:
RC: Curve
Filter: none
EHQ: 100

Hope this help :D

[gavo]

thanx for the reply but you are useing a custom ehq I take it.When you mean 100 do you mean 100 in encoder complexity or 1 pass comlexity, also do you feel at high bitrates that it is useful to use noisy edge filter. Sorri what is rc exactly? I'm sorry I wouldn't post this many questions but I can't find any real 10 guides.

[RadicalEd]

but I can't find any real 10 guides.

ajew (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_myprofile.php?user_id=216054)/gavo, just wait for the guide updates (http://misatokatsuragi.home.comcast.net/READTFAG.html). They'll include RV10 -_-
That's just a test version of the redone front page. It's got a better structure than AD's current beta page (http://www.animemusicvideos.org/guides/avtechbeta/index.html).

[lunaticmoon]

First, sorry for my bad english.

Unfortunately, I dont also have enouph reading skill for english :(
Therefore, I can understand the assertion of Mr.Gavo not perfectly.

Am I real 10 codec junky ? No. I use various codecs in response to many purposes. RV9/10 is only one of the selections.

On HighBitrate, I use XviD codec from choice, because that is high quality view for me.
On LowBitrate, I use RV9/10(Normal) codec form choice, because that is high quality view for me.
On HybridMaterial, I somtimes use WMV9 codec, because that is popular with severe anime OTAKU. :D

And I individually think that RV10E(Elysian) is not so good, because I think RV40(fourcc) codec's most nice feature is the tolerance against low bitrate. I think that RV10E is not suitable for low bitrate as same as XviD and not so good on SUPER high bitrate than XviD.

I think that not being bound by specificate codec is best.
There is a use of an animation previously and codec is chosen afterwards.
I think so, dont you ?

Oops, the talk were not clear anymore. :D

By the way, how do you and you show the avater's picture ?, hehe

thanks for reading. :)

[Sirber]

Originally posted by lunaticmoon
And I individually think that RV10E(Elysian) is not so good, because I think RV40(fourcc) codec's most nice feature is the tolerance against low bitrate. I think that RV10E is not suitable for low bitrate as same as XviD and not so good on SUPER high bitrate than XviD.Try xvid on a 640x480 anime source at 250kbps with sound at 32kbps, like on ranma. good luck :p

[lunaticmoon]

Since I do not have time to try, I am sorry.
However, it does not need to do and, probably, the RV10E will be better.
I merely think that it is a thing with the better RV10Normal.
What I use regularly is near 600Kbps without a sound.
If I have an opportunity, I try.

thanks anyway :)

[Dark-Cracker]

about streaming a realvideo file u can use :

<A HREF="myfile.rm">My song when i am drunk</A>
<A HREF="http://www.drunk.com/myfile.ra">Heard the song</A>

or using the activeX :

<EMBED SRC="myfile.rpm" WIDTH="300" HEIGHT="134"></EMBED>

more info :

http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/extend/embed.htm
http://service.real.com/help/library/guides/production/htmfiles/control.htm

i think the more professionnal solution is to use RealServer the free version allow u a simultaneous connection of 20 people (if i right remember).

Bye.

[gavo]

Sorri dark clawer but for the command would you put it in notepad and save it or would you link it directly? Also This includes support for .rmvb going to play around with helix server see how that goes to.

[karl_lillevold]

gavo: It is true that for lower bitrates, the old rate control is probably preferable. For medium to higher bitrates, the new curve rate control should be better and much more accurate. You can get the new rate control to behave more like the old by setting rcHighBitrateReduce to around 80.

<rcHighBitrateReduce type="uint">80</rcHighBitrateReduce>


I also like to use ref quants 6/9 now instead of the default 6/10 (thanks to D-C).

<rcPFrameRefQuant type="uint">6</rcPFrameRefQuant>
<rcBFrameRefQuant type="uint">9</rcBFrameRefQuant>


Maybe you misunderstood the use of the noisyedgefilter. See the CodecProperties thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72321). The noisy edge filter only works on the very edge of the video, in case of black or noisy lines left over from bad cropping or capture.

Always use RealVideo HFE2 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75278) for playback, with or without a hint of sharpening.

[gavo]

Sorry I'm a noob to the real codec and I not sure about the command you speak of. Were do I put it exactly. I am looking at the readme for Easy RealMedia Producer but I see nothing about custom commands. What other encoder do you suggest?

[gavo]

n/m sorri. you were speaking about the helix command line encoder sorry for wasteing your time. I just curious still if it is possible to stream rmvb as I never seen something that was vbr streamed.