DVD ReBuilder: Known Issues

[wmansir]

DVD ReBuilder: Known Issues

The following are known limitations or issues with DVD Rebuilder. This post is meant to help users identify problems they encounter and focus discussion, it is not a definitive bug list. If you are having an issue not mentioned here, be sure to check the FAQ (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74273) and search the forum before submitting it as a bug.

How To Add A Known Issue
Check to make sure it isn't already known. It may not be listed here. Search the forum. If one of the large bug report threads comes up try switching the search options to "Show Results as Posts".
Start a new thread. Use a short, but descriptive title. Give a detailed account of the issue. Be sure to mention what version of DVD-RB you are using and the steps to reproduce it, if known.
Wait for other users to confirm the issue and some discussion to be generated.
Wait some more. If it's a relatively strait forward issue jdobbs might know exactly what caused it and be able to put a fix in the next release. In that case no further discussion is needed and I won't bother to list it here. If the next release doesn't fix the issue or it has been a week* since it was first discovered and no new release has been posted, then it becomes eligible for the list.
If after that it is not listed here you can post here to remind me or PM me. In either case, please include a link to the discussion thread.

* Roughly a week. If it is a major issue it could be less time, but jdobbs is usually pretty good about issuing quick fixes for major issues.

DO NOT REPORT BUGS HERE If you wish to report an issue, but don't think it merits going thru the above steps, you can still report it in the Current Bug Report Thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73853). Like I said above, this is not a definite issue list so don't think an issue has to listed here before jdobbs or other users look into it.

Limitations

CCE 2.70 (and up) not supported
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83767)
Currently being looked into.

Closed Captioning is not retained
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77489)
Currently being looked into.

Menus not re-encoded
Support planned.

One-Pass VBR Output Size Off
Due to the nature of One-Pass VBR the output size is not guaranteed. DVD-RB tries to predict the final size by analyzing a portion of the video, however, that sample may not reflect the entire stream accurately. There are several Hidden Settings (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=482090#post482090) you can adjust to tweak the process, but if you require very accurate file size prediction it is recommended that you turn off One-Pass VBR and use the standard Multi-Pass encoding.

Known Issues

Subtitle incorrectly displayed on some standalones
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=509372#post509372)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75483)

Auto-Shutdown not working/freezing computer
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=517971#post517971)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77649)

DVD-RB Error #0004 during rebuild
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=513874#post513874)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75504)

Audio/Video skipping/stuttering
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=513880#post513880)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75848)

Audio track selection not saved during processing
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=581966#post581966)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79228)

Button Over Video/Stills may not display correctly
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=520071#post520071)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75470)

DVD timer display can malfunction
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=626778#post626778)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78051)

Audio drops out
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=626778#post626778)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=82124)

Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=521198#post521198)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77190)

Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=521199#post521199)
Discussion: Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79001)

Video Freezes on some standalones (Sony only?)
Status: Closed (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=529649#post529649)
Discussion:Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78541)

Multi-Angle/IlVu DVD issues
Status: Open
Discussion:Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86798)


Status definitions:
Open - The issue has been confirmed by more than one user or jdobbs himself. More information/help may be needed, check the discussion.
Resolved - A fix has been implemented and released, further testing is required.
Closed - The issue has been confirmed as fixed by multiple users. No new reports of issue. Click 'closed' for a link to the post announcing the closure of the issue.

[wmansir]

I just threw this together in about an hour. Thank QuEnc's "Extreme & Slow" mode for giving me the time, otherwise I was going to play a game. :)

If you are aware of a known issue that is not on the list, or a change in status of one listed, you can post here to tell me or PM me (http://forum.doom9.org/private.php?s=&action=newmessage&userid=53).

[brashquido]

Superb wmansir! Answers just about all the big Q's for me :)

[Harm]

Nice try wmansir! Apparently those encoding times have a positive side to :D !

Maybe in due time also something similar is created for known suggestions and enhancement requests..... :sly:

[wmansir]

Like I said in the thread that started this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76804), that isn't something I feel comfortable doing. If you, or anyone, want to continue the discussion we can do it there. I'm sure we can come up with something.

[youngm]

Could the lack of IVTC support be added to this list of known issues? I can hope that support for IVTC is planned in the future but even if it is not it would be good to track the fact that DVD-RB doesn't support IVTC here for those wondering. You can find an existing discussion in this thread:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76882

Regards,
Mike

[wmansir]

I don't think I would call lack of IVTC an "issue". It would be a nice addition, but lack of IVTC doesn't create an invalid, or inferior backups, when compared to the original. Just like Deinterlacing, 4:3->16:9 conversion it is a (potential) enhancement to the original.

However, if jdobbs were to announce it as a planned addition I could add it to the 'limitations' section just to let people know it is coming. But I haven't seen any mention of it from him.

[youngm]

I would be happy if you could put this in the limitation section. I agree that it isn't really an "issue" either so if it could get a mention as a limitation or have an item in the FAQ that would be great.

Mike

[Rombaldi]

I don't want to hassle jdobbs about it, but he never came back to me after the last bit of information I came up with, but somewhere along the line DVDRB has stopped passing the correct video frame size thru. As I said in the bugs thread, I have some discs that were generated by the Panasonic DVD recorder as 704x480 (Broadcast D1) that are getting treated as 720x480 and the come out as the 'horizontal hold' is off (distorted picture), the 704 is being fed to CCE as 720 and it's truly 'skewing' the output. I went thru and manually changed all the ECL files from 720 (as generated) to 704 (as they are) and the re-encode/rebuild process went perfectly...

except for having to change all those durn ECL files :)

it hasn't ALWAYS been this way.. I still had one of the BFF test versions (that's a WAYS back) and it DID pass it thru as 704x480, but I can't say when it changed...

(hoping for either it to automatically go back to passing the right value thru)

[wmansir]

I closed issues 3 & 5 and added issues 7 & 8.

I also added a new section "How to add an Known Issue". I deliberately made it a time consuming process because the main purpose of this list is to keep things organized for the elusive/persistent issues. I don't think it's necessary to list short lived bugs that are introduced in one version and gone the next. I also made starting a new thread a requirement because 1. it helps focus discussion and bring attention to the issue and 2. it makes it easier to list here and point users to the relevant information.

EDIT: also added color.

@Rombaldi

I suggest you start a new thread on the 704x480 issue. I searched the forum and found your posts but couldn't find any confirmation from jdobbs or another user. I don't know how many people are using broadcast D1, so that may be difficult. If nobody refutes your findings within a week I will add it to the list, or as soon as someone confirms.

[wmansir]

I changed Issue #5 from:

"Audio track selection not saved per project"

to:

"Audio track selection not saved during processing"

to clarify the issue.

DVD-RB does save the audio and sub track selections when saving a project. The issue here is that once you check/uncheck non-default audio tracks and then prepare a project, if you close DVD-RB and then re-open it, the default audio tracks are checked/unchecked. If you don't correct it before performing the rebuild step your results will be over/undersized and contain the wrong audio track(s). This only effects three-click mode.

If anyone wants to discuss this further you can start a new thread and I will add a link here and under the issue listing.

[wmansir]

Added issue 9 "Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)"

From my observations so far this issue effects ALL Windows 98 SE users and possibly Win98 and Win95. If someone is running DVD-RB without this issue on any of those platforms please give some feedback in the discussion thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77190).

[geffroman]

I can't find info on "runtime error 9"... What is it...?

[jdobbs]

Runtime error 9 is a "subscript out of range" error. I haven't heard of anyone getting one of those in a long time. Where did you get it -- PREPARE, ENCODE, or REBUILD? It usually means your source has been hosed.

[wmansir]

Here's a good discussion on Runtime Error 9. If it's still present I'll add it to the list.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75168

[geffroman]

I found it... MY FAULT.... sorry guys... I missed a VOB file I needed and ReBuilder caught it with the "runtime error". I put the missing file back in the folder and all ran well...

[Joergen]

I think you can add 16:9 conversion missing subtitles except track #1 to known issues.. although it's erratic since I've done 1 good lb conversions so far, two bad out of 3. I didnt notice it at first since the #1 track was the track I wanted in one movie anyway.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79001

[wmansir]

I'll give it a couple more days, or if it is still present in the next release, whichever comes first.

[jdobbs]

Something else is going on there. There really is no connection between the 16:9 conversion and subtitles...

[wmansir]

Marked issue 9 "Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)" Resolved with v0.55 release.

Opened new issue 10 "Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9". Discussion Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79001).

[wmansir]

Marked issue 10 "Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9" Resolved with v0.55a

Marked issue 5 "Audio track selection not saved during processing" Resolved with v0.55b

EDIT:

Re-Opened issue 5 "Audio track selection not saved during processing", the fix in v0.55b was for another issue. My mistake.

[wmansir]

@Pabloz
I deleted your post because it was off topic for this thread.

@all
Please only post in this thread if you have a suggestion, correction, or update for the Known issues list/post.

[wmansir]

Closed issue 9 "Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+)"

Closed issue 10 "Missing Subs when using Convert LB 4:3 to 16:9"

Opened issue 11 "Video Freezes on some standalones (Sony only?)" Discussion Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78541)

[dinoman]

jdobbs:

Runtime error 9 is a "subscript out of range" error. I haven't heard of anyone getting one of those in a long time. Where did you get it -- PREPARE, ENCODE, or REBUILD? It usually means your source has been hosed.

Now that I can finally post, I just wanted to add that once jdobbs fixed the Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+) issue for Win98, I did run into this issue the very first thing I tried - and it turned out to only been that one source. Which may make sense since I did get retries (but no read errors) when ripping the source. But when I played the vob in question, the video seemed OK. I did want to add that running the source in question through DVD Shrink did result in a source that DVD ReBuilder could open without error.

I can also verify that the fix for the Runtime error '5' on Win98SE (v0.51+) worked for me as well.

Regards,
Dino

[wmansir]

Closed issue 11 "Video Freezes on some standalones (Sony only?)"

[djan]

Hi wmansir,

What about to list this issue too : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=76099 ?

Thx to let know.

[djan]

This one is interresting too and jdobb is going to fix it (I hope :)): http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=80224 .

[djan]

Hi wmansir,

jdobbs fixed these two issues I'm talking about above in the 0.57 version. Thx to jdobbs !

[lamster]

Suggested Issue #12 - Rebuilder causes QuEnc to display "AVS File is not outputing" error during Encode phase; if not addressed, results in either Buffer Overflow Error #0003 or "Error in UpdateIFO: Shouldn't happen - contact developer." in Rebuild phase.

Discussion is in the v.63 error msg AVS file not outputing? (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=555276#post555276) thread; work-around is given here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=564363#post564363) .

It's been around from 0.63 through at least 0.66a.

(Fixed by 0.67.)

[wmansir]

Removed Multi-angle/IlVu limition. DVD-RB can now handle them.

Closed Issue #5 "Audio track selection not saved during processing "

Updated Issue #8 Audio drops out" discussion link, the old thread was dead.

Opened Issue # 12 "Multi-Angle/IlVu DVD issues", created new discussion thread, here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86798).

If anyone has any new issues to add, post here or PM me. Check the original post to find out if it qualifies.

[ookzDVD]

How about the "forever loop" in some case (Mummy Return Region 1)
while use one-pass VBR during the finding the Q for some sort clips
will lead into forever loop while the program can't find the desired Q, the program with try and try to use diferrent value of Q (lots of try... seems to be forever loop) but the size result is the same. :(

[erdoke]

Suggested issue: Removed audio and subtitle streams still can be selected when playback of the output (v. 0.70). It would be nice if I wouldn't had to get another tool to disable those streams. ;)

[jdobbs]

I wouldn't agree that is a bug... Removing the selection from the IFO files causes more problems than it solves -- as has been proven by other packages. The choice is either to leave the audio in -- or don't select audio that has been removed.

[erdoke]

I didn't intend to say that it is a bug. It is definitely an issue for me. You can't tell of a stream that has been removed when selecting it in WinDVD or on the remote of a standalone player.
I've never had problems disabling these with PGCEdit. They just disappear from selection list.

[jdobbs]

But they still show on the menus... I've seen too many problems caused by folks modifying the sequences in IFOs.

[geffroman]

This has been a problem for me for a long time...

My solution is to just use DVDShrink to burn my finished movie. At first this really bothered me because I felt like I was having to run another process because DVD-RB didn't FINISH the job as it related to stripping of languages... But then it occured to me that I am only really using about 3 minutes more and for that three minutes Shrink is removing the markers and building me a clean ISO file and then it automatically starts the burn using DVD Decryptor...

It's all a win win really... so I no longer care that DVD-RB leaves unwanted language references in my IFO files...

[erdoke]

Originally posted by geffroman
...then it occured to me that I am only really using about 3 minutes more and for that three minutes Shrink is removing the markers and building me a clean ISO file and then it automatically starts the burn using DVD Decryptor...

It's all a win win really... so I no longer care that DVD-RB leaves unwanted language references in my IFO files...

It's not a big deal with PGCEdit also (disabling removed audio and subtitle streams), but it would be nice to have this feature in Rebuilder as well.
Anyway I always remove unnecessary buttons with DvdReMake, but these streams can be selected both in sw players and on standalones if references weren't removed from the movie VTS IFO (even Shrink leaves them alone in VIDEO_TS.IFO).

[geffroman]

Originally posted by erdoke
(even Shrink leaves them alone in VIDEO_TS.IFO).

True... but this alone does not make the unwanted languages visible to any stand alone I have ever used...

[erdoke]

Sure, I meant it as a nice feature. If you completely remove a stream from a movie, your menu can be screwed up, if only you have a very intelligent application that reorganize navigation. I know no such program. ;)

[geffroman]

I am having a freeze again... on several DVDs... It is happening more and more lately... Law and Order SVU... Law and Order: Criminal Intent... Law and Order Season 14... Terminal... and others...

Example: Terminal\Chapter 17\Cell 19\VOB ID 5

The player will play about a second of cell where the FREEZE starts... Then if you bump the FF button and back to Play it goes back to the beginning of that same cell and plays through without hesitation...

I am using a Sony DVD player that is very picky about DVD Spec... I use it to test all my back ups that way I know they'll work in the car or in the bedroom DVD players we have.

The problem happens when a chapter has more than one cell and changes VOB ID from one cell to the next... It can occur whether there is a Layer Break or NOT... It does not go away even if I play with the numbers in PGCEdit as everyone in the past advises...

I used to think this was a problem caused by using DVDReMake prior to running DVD-RB. So I have recently been using VOBBlanker on the Extras ONLY leaving the main VTS files untouched by anything other than DVD-RB and the problem keeps coming...

I use DVD-RB with CCE 250 and DGDecode.dll...

Any thoughts...? Thanks...

[jdobbs]

Does it ever happen when you don't run one of those packages?

[geffroman]

YES...

I just ran Terminal again with DVD-RB & CCE SP 2.50 with dgdcode.dll on raw files straight from DVDDecryptor...

I get the same hang at:

VTS-8\Chapter 17\Cell 19\VOB ID 5

Cell 19 is where it changes to VOB ID5... Cell 18 was still VOB ID 4.

Most cells have no SCR Discontinuity checked and have a value of 8... Cell 19 has SCR Discontinuity checked with a value of 10... I am going to change it to 8 and run DVD-RB again although this made no difference with the DVDReMake and VOBBlanker preprocessed files...

Additionally there are other multi cell/multi VOB ID chapters in this same movie with the same SCR Discontinuity settings and no pause occurs at that point...

What do you think...?

IFOs Here (http://posunplugged.com/terminal)

[jdobbs]

Discontinuity isn't unusual so I'm not sure what the link would be there.

What format is your copy of the Terminal. I backed up the NTSC R1 version without a hitch.

Added: The extra bit just indicates that seamless playback is linked in the PCI. It indicates that a table is present in the NAVPACK that is used when this flag is set (VOBEDIT doesn't show it, so you'd have to look at it in hex).

[geffroman]

Yes mine too was NTSC R1... Playback is fine on several players I tested... However, two very different model Sony's both hang consistently...

Sony seems to be very picky about dvd structure... This is why I test on Sony... If Sony plays it, I know it will play anywhere...

[jdobbs]

What happened when you changed it to just a discontinuity (without seamless playback linked in the PCI)?

[geffroman]

What I have learned so far.

Used a clean copy of DVD-RB Ver70 processed data that has the freeze. Made changes to data with PGCEdit.

By default DVD-RB removes the Layer Break by changing the Cell type from 2 to 10 (Adds Seamless link to PCI)

Results:
Cell Type 0 (SCR-No; Seamless-No ) = Causes ~1 second Pause at Cell change but continues
Cell Type 2 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-No ) = Causes ~1 second Pause at Cell change but continues
Cell Type 8 (SCR-No; Seamless-Yes) = Makes good transition then freezes ~1 second into new cell
Cell Type 10 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-Yes) = Makes good transition then freezes ~1 second into new cell

If I start with my original files and compress via Shrink with Layer Break removal OFF or ON, I get NO FREEZE or pauses. (So it can't be the raw data.)

Shrink Results:
Cell Type 2 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-No ) = Plays normally
Cell Type 10 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-Yes) = Plays normally

Something other than the IFO Cell Type is going on here.

[ookzDVD]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
How about the "forever loop" in some case (Mummy Return Region 1)
while use one-pass VBR during the finding the Q for some sort clips
will lead into forever loop while the program can't find the desired Q, the program with try and try to use diferrent value of Q (lots of try... seems to be forever loop) but the size result is the same. :(

I can confirm that the 0.70 PR is still have this "overflow" problem.

Thank you.

[mchipk]

I'm also getting that stutter/pause effects.

I'm using DVD Rebuilder V0.69 and V0.70 running QuEnc (one pass) and Msharpen filter.

So far I've tried with two DVDs: The Galaxy Quest, and Around The World In 80 Days. Both movies came out with stuttering effects on various scenes (found out later it was on the joint of each vob cell).

Some joints are more noticeable than others, for example:

Same scene no angle change(1000 frames of a guy riding a bicycle), and the joint of the cells occurs on frame 450//451, then you'll get a stutter/pause for a split second.

If the joint of the cells occurs in two different scenes, for example:
scene one, cell one(a moving truck)
//joint//
scene two, cell two(a flying bird)
Then you'll just get a slight stutter.

Lets just say, four layers change on one DVD, I don't think so.

Played the movies one two different DVD players(non sony) and also on my PC(raw data/movie on hard drive not burnt), they all came out with the same effects.

I've also tried encoding it with the Special Error Processing (checked), but the result is the same.

I hope there is a fix to this.

If there is a way to remove the cell IDs and keep the whole movie as one big vob file(no cell to join), then maybe there wont be any stutter/pause.

[jdobbs]

What version of QuEnc are you using? It sounds like you are losing frame(s).

Making a single VOB would not have any effect.

[mchipk]

Hi,

I'm using QuEnc v0.59[ALPHA], I also tried with ReJig V0.5e, but same result.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by geffroman
What I have learned so far.

Used a clean copy of DVD-RB Ver70 processed data that has the freeze. Made changes to data with PGCEdit.

By default DVD-RB removes the Layer Break by changing the Cell type from 2 to 10 (Adds Seamless link to PCI)

Results:
Cell Type 0 (SCR-No; Seamless-No ) = Causes ~1 second Pause at Cell change but continues
Cell Type 2 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-No ) = Causes ~1 second Pause at Cell change but continues
Cell Type 8 (SCR-No; Seamless-Yes) = Makes good transition then freezes ~1 second into new cell
Cell Type 10 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-Yes) = Makes good transition then freezes ~1 second into new cell

If I start with my original files and compress via Shrink with Layer Break removal OFF or ON, I get NO FREEZE or pauses. (So it can't be the raw data.)

Shrink Results:
Cell Type 2 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-No ) = Plays normally
Cell Type 10 (SCR-Yes;Seamless-Yes) = Plays normally

Something other than the IFO Cell Type is going on here. jdobbs... Any thoughts on this?

[redbaron2]

Originally posted by mchipk
I'm also getting that stutter/pause effects.

I'm using DVD Rebuilder V0.69 and V0.70 running QuEnc (one pass) and Msharpen filter.

So far I've tried with two DVDs: The Galaxy Quest, and Around The World In 80 Days. Both movies came out with stuttering effects on various scenes (found out later it was on the joint of each vob cell).

Some joints are more noticeable than others, for example:

Same scene no angle change(1000 frames of a guy riding a bicycle), and the joint of the cells occurs on frame 450//451, then you'll get a stutter/pause for a split second.

If the joint of the cells occurs in two different scenes, for example:
scene one, cell one(a moving truck)
//joint//
scene two, cell two(a flying bird)
Then you'll just get a slight stutter.

Lets just say, four layers change on one DVD, I don't think so.

Played the movies one two different DVD players(non sony) and also on my PC(raw data/movie on hard drive not burnt), they all came out with the same effects.

I've also tried encoding it with the Special Error Processing (checked), but the result is the same.

I hope there is a fix to this.

If there is a way to remove the cell IDs and keep the whole movie as one big vob file(no cell to join), then maybe there wont be any stutter/pause.

Hi,

I have the same problem. On each chapter/cell change I notice a very short pause. Its on all dvd's I backuped with RB. the only workaround for me is using dif4u+scenaid for the reauthoring step which takes a lot of time. the encoded cells of RB I put all together with dvdma*stro (export mpegfile in timeline) and the resulting file will be used for reauthoring after renaming. You may think why I don't demux the authored result of RB? Simple reason, scenarist refuse to work with the demuxed file... i think the reauthoring engine of RB works not correct.
In RB I use the procoder mode, the only reason why using RB, because the big3 don't support this.
all my dvds are pal.
If this can be fixed, RB is the best programm for dvdbackups.

If my post is a little bit confusing, say it and I try to get some structure in it, my english is not the best.

[lamster]

Since this is supposed to be a summary of known issues rather than a discussion thread, I've taken the liberty of starting a new thread for the "stutter/pause effects" seen with recent releases.

Please see the Stutter / freeze problems, DVD-RB 0.68 & above (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=88984) thread.

[jdobbs]

I just want to make it very clear. I will not respond to any bugs reported on this subject that involves any external processing (pre or post).

If you remove a layer break -- you're on your own.
If you use IFOEDIT -- you're on your own.
Removed anything with another package -- you're on your own.
Menu, IFO, VOB edits -- you're on your own.

I have enough problems debugging DVD-RB, I can't chase leprechauns down rabbit holes.

[geffroman]

I hope you are not talking to me...?

I have been waiting for your reply and ONLY made changes to Discontinuity when you asked me to. I put many hours into testing with untouched data to answer your question.

So I ask again, what are your thoughts... or am I on my own too?

Thanks...

[jdobbs]

No, and I appreciate your input. I'm making that statement because I'm trying to save myself some work -- there are those who simply can't leave the source alone. Skim through some of the threads and you'll see what I mean.

[geffroman]

Gotcha... I understand... I look forward to any thoughts you might have on my issue when you get time... Regards... :)

[halpern]

When I click on Minimize Encoder (during encode of coarse) it doesnt minimize CCE and the status window is so small that half the time I can not see the values that are produced after the Prepare stage. Just thought jdobbs should know. These are minor issues but fixeable. Thanks :)

[geffroman]

jdobbs...

I just did "Without a Paddle" R1 NTSC. I got the Sony hang again on the main movie at transition from:

VTS_3\Chapter-2\Cell-6\VOBID-4 to
VTS_3\Chapter-2\Cell-7\VOBID-5

Once again this happens on the second Cell in the Chapter where there is a VOB-ID change. There is NO Layer Break here.

This kind of Cell and ID transition is common with Layer Breaks so people always ask me to play with the Discontinuity but I have always felt it has something to do with a Mid Chapter Cell/ID change that doesn't process well through RB/CCE for some reason.

I ran RB-70/CCE2.50 twice to confirm result on RAW data straight from DVDDecryptor. I don't mind using Shrink to do the movie if RB fails if I have to. It's just NOT KNOWING when this will happen and having to waste a disc and get half way through enjoying a movie only to find out I have a junk disc that needs to be redone that is so frustrating.

Kinda throws a wrench into the evening when this happens.

Movies I have not been able to resolve include:
Without a Paddle
Stepford Wives
Terminal
Around the World in 80 Days (Jackie Chan)

[ookzDVD]

I still got error 6, overflow.
Mummy returns R1.

Please read my old post for my setting. :(

[Trahald]

@geffroman
What are the two 'test' sony models you are using (just curious). Thanx

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
I still got error 6, overflow.
Mummy returns R1.

Please read my old post for my setting. :( That was fixed in v0.74.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by Trahald
@geffroman
What are the two 'test' sony models you are using (just curious). Thanx DVP-CX875P and DVP-NS325

[ookzDVD]

Originally posted by jdobbs
That was fixed in v0.74.

Ok, thank you for the info. I'll try the next one.

[geffroman]

Originally posted by geffroman
I am having a freeze again... on several DVDs... It is happening more and more lately... Law and Order SVU... Law and Order: Criminal Intent... Law and Order Season 14... Terminal... and others...

Example: Terminal\Chapter 17\Cell 19\VOB ID 5

The player will play about a second of cell where the FREEZE starts... Then if you bump the FF button and back to Play it goes back to the beginning of that same cell and plays through without hesitation...

I am using a Sony DVD player that is very picky about DVD Spec... I use it to test all my back ups that way I know they'll work in the car or in the bedroom DVD players we have.

The problem happens when a chapter has more than one cell and changes VOB ID from one cell to the next... It can occur whether there is a Layer Break or NOT... It does not go away even if I play with the numbers in PGCEdit as everyone in the past advises...

I used to think this was a problem caused by using DVDReMake prior to running DVD-RB. So I have recently been using VOBBlanker on the Extras ONLY leaving the main VTS files untouched by anything other than DVD-RB and the problem keeps coming...

I use DVD-RB with CCE 250 and DGDecode.dll...

Any thoughts...? Thanks... @jdobbs

is the following a potential fix for my problem?

- Corrected an error in which the cell elapsed time was not being correctly entered in NAVPACKS. It was resetting back to zero for each segment (as opposed to each cell). This was reported to cause playback problems on some players. Hats off to gm901 for some outstanding beta testing and trouble reporting.

[jdobbs]

It's possible. I'm really not sure what the impact is -- except that it fixed a similar problem.

[geffroman]

@wmansir... I was unaware of the rules regarding this thread... I never saw the first post... I apologize for dumping all this mess in here... Please feel free to move all my posts regarding the multi cell/vobid in a single chapter Sony freeze elsewhere as is appropriate...

As to the problem... Ver 76 corrected the FREEZE on my test subject which was only three cells surrounding the problem area of the movie "The Terminal"... This required no compression of course... and the FREEZE did not occur with 76... However, when doing the whole movie with compression the FREEZE is back... I'll be reripping the data to make sure I have a fresh copy and post results...

[captain_video]

I had been having all kinds of intermittent problems using DVD-RB from public version 0.72 and above but I think I've discovered what the problem could be. I could never figure out why some DVDs would work beautifully with DVD-RB and some would giev me a total fit, even with diffeent encoders. I just realized that the problem may have been with me and not the program itself.

I have a habit of doing other things on my PC, like surfing the web, while DVD-RB or other programs are running in the background. I think DVD-RB, or one or more of the associated programs it uses, does not like multitasking with other apps. It likes to have the CPU all to itself and doesn't want to share.

While I haven't kept a tally of which discs worked and which ones didn't, I believe there is a pattern whereby all discs that I processed overnight worked fine while those that were processed at other times had problems. I'm guessing the problematic discs were processed while I was performing other tasks on my PC at the same time.

If you're having problems with DVDs that stutter and freeze up, leave the PC alone while running DVD-RB. I have an Athlon XP 2400+ with 1GB of RAM but newer and faster CPUs may not suffer from the same ills as mine.

[geffroman]

I reRipped Stepford Wives and Terminal. Started from scatch. I never run anything on my PC nor does it have Virus Scan or any other program running while DVD-RB is working.

Bottomline:

Terminal still demonstrates 2nd cell freeze at Layer Break.
Stepford Wives does NOT. Hurray

I just did Sharktale and it has the Freeze.

I guess I am going to give up on this issue unless someone smarter than me can help look into it. I don't have the knowledge or skill to solve it myself. I am meticulous and can test suggestions from some one who is knowledgable to solve the problem.

[jdobbs]

@geffroman

When you say freeze do you mean it stops completely or pauses momentarily (layer break behavior)?

[geffroman]

I think it is a freeze... Counter is not moving. If left alone, eventually my player will continue. I have never timed it, but it's over a minute. I suspect it's just my player jumping to the next cell though as it does this even with bad media. If it gets hung and you leave it alone, it will jump to next cell which in most cases is the next chapter.

[f@chance]

I ripped disk 1 of the Terminal PAL version. Stripped the audio tracks that I didn't want with DVD Shrink 3.2. Ran it through DVD REmake v 2.54 to hide the buttons that call the audio track and then used RB 0.77 to do the job.

However I havn't watched the back-up disk yet on my Sony 930. Can you tell me where to navigate to in oeder to see if the freeze occurs?

Thanks

[geffroman]

On NTSC Reg 1 it occurs at 2nd cell (Cell 19) of chapter 17

[f@chance]

Well, I just watched Terminal Disk 1 over the weekend and it was absolutely flawless on my Sony 930, no hitches whatsoever. However I did remove the DD 5.1 sound track and kept the DTS soundtrack in case that matters.

Sorry geffroman but I can't find the problems that you have perhaps the PAL version doesn't produce the error that you are experiencing.

[ookzDVD]

I can confirm that the latest Public ver. 0.77 still have problem
with CCE QPV.

I still got error 6, overflow.
Mummy returns R1.

Please read my old post for my setting

[jdobbs]

I will go out an buy the Mummy Returns R1 tomorrow. But before I do... did you do any preprocessing at all? I'm not crazy about that movie and if I buy it I want to make sure I'm catching a real error.

[ookzDVD]

@jdobbs,


did you do any preprocessing at all


I just rip it use DVD-decypter into .iso file and mount it use DaemonTool.

PS. You don't have to buy it. Just rent it.

Thank you.

[jdobbs]

I could do that, since it's just to test for an error. But, I don't want to give the impression that I'm illegally copying the disc -- rather than just backing it up. So that's where the donations go. On the positive side, it's building me a helluva DVD collection.

Also just so I can test it correctly -- what encoder/version are you using?

[ookzDVD]

I use CCE SP 2.67.00.23, EclCCE 1.81.

[jdobbs]

@ookzDVD

Well I bought the Mummy Returns DVD, R1 (it was only $9.99 at Best Buy). I ran it with DVD-RB v0.78, CCE v2.67.0.27 (that's the closest I had), ECLCCE v1.81. I ripped it with DVD Decrypter to an ISO, mounted the ISO with Daemon Tools and ran DVD-RB against it. All the settings were at the default (with 2 Pass VBR). It came out fine.

[EDITED] I reread the post and realized you need it to be done in OPV, I am now running it in OPV.

[jdobbs]

@ookzDVD

I just ran it through OPV with v0.78 and it ran fine. But, don't think get too uncomfortable... now that I remember it I made an undocumented fix (I can't remember when, but it may have been on v0.78) in which I'd noticed that on the "use CBR for segments less than 60 frames" code had leaked through to the OPV prediction routine. I knew it could cause an overflow when the 1% prediction came up to less than 60 frames so I corrected it.

So I think it has been fixed... but just to be sure I'm going to rerun the job with v0.77.

[ADDED] Nope. It ran fine with v0.77 also. Looking back at my notes -- the fix I'm talking about was documented and was the one that I added in v0.74.

Are you positive you didn't accidentally use v0.72 again on your last test?

[ookzDVD]

Sure, I use the ver. 0.77.

My setting is :
- QPV
- Steal Space from Extra (50%)
- Half D1 and Half Space for Extra

[jdobbs]

Ok, I'll try it with those options.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by ookzDVD
Sure, I use the ver. 0.77.

My setting is :
- QPV
- Steal Space from Extra (50%)
- Half D1 and Half Space for Extra Ok I found the problem. As you probably know, when you have both of those options selected you are reducing the bitrate in half twice -- in addition to the amount it would have been reduced normally. So, if the main movie was reducing at 70%, you would cut that in half (with the "Half/Half" selection) to 35%, and then again in half with the "Steal Space" option. When done you would be encoding at Half-D1, but at a bitrate that was 17.5% of the original.

So.... when the OPV prediction tried to set a Q value for it, there was no Q high enough to make it as small as it needs to be. The routine just kept looping creating a higher and higher Q until the value was greater than an integer could hold. Overflow --> error 6.

I put in code to limit the predicted Q value to its maximum. It will be in v0.79.

[ookzDVD]

Dear jdobbs,

Thank you for your effort.

Bte, is there any way to donate without pay-pal ?
somehow paypal banned my country, so I can't register there.

Once again, thank you.

[jdobbs]

@ookzDVD

Check your PM.

[ookzDVD]

So, if the main movie was reducing at 70%, you would cut that in half (with the "Half/Half"

selection) to 35%, and then again in half with the "Steal Space" option. When done you would

be encoding at Half-D1, but at a bitrate that was 17.5% of the original.


Is the Half-D1 used for main movie or for extra ?
I think when I use the option "Half D1 and Half Space for Extra" it will encode the extra
in Half-D1 Resolution, and the main movie is in Original Resolution.
Please correct me if I was wrong. Thank you.

[jdobbs]

That's correct. Half-and-Half applies only to extras. But each time you add an new rule to apply it accumulates. So for extras:

1. All video on the disc that falls into the "not too small to worry about" category (movie and extras) will be reduced by the amount calculated in order to fit on the disc.

2. If you select Half-and-Half it will be applied against what was allocated based on rule one.

3. If you select reduce by 50% it will be applied against the result of rules 1 and 2..

4. Anything recovered from rules 2 and 3 are applied against the main movie.

It is possible to encode the main movie at Half-D1, but you'd have to use the AVS/Advanced Options to do that.

[wmansir]

Closed Issue #7 "DVD timer display can malfunction". This was resolved a few versions ago.

Closed Issue #8 "Audio drops out". This issue was also resolved a few versions ago.

[HarryM]

Hello peoples,

DVD Rebuilder has problem, if Extras are bigger (in size] than main movie.

I rebuild dvd "Schindler's List - 2xDVD edition". At second DVD I can't set Extras with "Half-F1 and Half Size" option (DVD-RB mistakely identify bonus video as main movie and paradoxly main movie as bonus video). I leave it as mean...

Rebuild phase isn't complete finished. Possibly caused, that bonus video have only one chapter(!) and this chapter is bigger than 2GB after reencoding.

[borgraf]

Originally posted by HarryM
At second DVD I can't set Extras with "Half-F1 and Half Size" option (DVD-RB mistakely identify bonus video as main movie and paradoxly main movie as bonus video).I'll throw in a tip in case you haven't considered it. To create the same effect you could resize the extras VTS to Half D1 in Advanced AVS Options, run prepare and half the bitrate with RB-Opt.

[bteamfox]

Hi all,

I am new to this forum and new to DVD Builder Pro which I like very much. I have noticed on two DVD's one "Disneys The Princess stories Volume one" when I create an ISO image and mount using Daemon Tools, when I run DVD RB it displays VTS files 1-26. This is an episodal disk. Now if I use DVD Decypter again and rip as Files, then use DVD RB it only shows vts files 7-26,(all vts files are in the folder). When you then try and backup the message "doesnt need to compress image will fit",(or words like that), pops up. Is this a bug of am I doing something wrong? I don't think I have done any thing wrong. I have even checked to make sure that no boxes are ticked so RB should recode the whole dvd to fit dvd5. The Reason I want to do it as files is so I can use some program to edit out the Adverts, so my children don't see the toys! :) It's bad enough buying all the films they want let alone when they see the toys in the adverts. If this is a bug is there a way I can edit the ISO image? I tried this on another episodle disk Red Dwarf 3, and almost the same thing happend. Different vts files were missing from the file copy in RB but where in the folder. The disk are PAL.

I hope that's enough infomation for you. I can't think of anything else I can say. apart from -

When will you release the Pro version that will let me edit out the Adverts ;) :)

Keep up the great work on RB.

Cheers

Bteam.

[jdobbs]

Don't let the displayed files in DVD-RB confuse you. It looks at the source directory and (by default) only selects VTSs that are larger than ~50MB. This is because anything smaller is too insignificant to have any impact on the encode. The other files will still be present on your output disc, they're just copied intact.

If you want to change the threshold of what is processed and what is not, you can add the setting "VTS_MIN_SIZE=" to the [Options] area of the REBUILDER.INI file. It sets a point (measured in 2K sectors) at which DVD-RB makes the encode/copy decision. The default value is 25635.

[lark]

that's what i was about to say, but then i read bteamfox's post again and he is saying that using ISO image via daemon tools shows all the VTS files. shouldn't RB treat them equally?

regards
t :)

[jdobbs]

@bteamfox

Look at the two directories... do the file sizes come out the same for the file system directory and the mounted ISO directory?

[bteamfox]

Originally posted by jdobbs
@bteamfox

Look at the two directories... do the file sizes come out the same for the file system directory and the mounted ISO directory?

VTS Files are 1-24 not 1 to 26 as I said in my post above.

Double checked the sizes by using DVD Decrypter to decrypt twice once in ISO File Format and one in VOB,VTS etc.

.ISO,File size on the disk is-6.93 GB (7,445,168,128 bytes)
File Mode Rip,File size on the disk is-6.93 GB (7,444,549,632 bytes),99 Files
I unzipped the .ISO to a folder 6.93 GB (7,444,549,632 bytes) as you can see its the same as the rip in file mode.

VTS_MIN_SIZE=
I entered the above line in my .ini file as you said. The File mode was better it showed vts files 2-24. But I still go the message

"Warning@ The input directory is already small enough to fit on a DVD-5. No compression is necassary. Continue anyway?"

Hum... I have just looked at the number of files there are 101.

It appears dvd Decrypter has merged 2x 1GB files, (approx) to a 1 x 2Gb file,(approx) also it as rename some of the files.

Video_TS.VOB has been rename to Video_TS_MENU1.VOB both files 384K
VTS_01_0.VOB 362 MB (379,871,232 bytes) renamed to VTS_01_MENU_1.VOB
infact a lot of vob files are renamed in this way. Hold on I will attach a file with the Directory out puts.

There done :) I hope this info help to find out if it's a bug in RD or maybe DVD Decrypter.

Kind Regards

Bteam

[jdobbs]

I think you must have some of the other "processing" flags set in file mode... there are several of them.

[bteamfox]

Ah, Right! Sorry, I will go check and see if I changed something by mistake. Thanks. Glad it's not RD :D

[DK]

and (by default) only selects VTSs that are larger than ~50MB

rb happened to discard some of those small files with some of my conversions lately

is there any chance i can suppress this *behaviour*?

manually copying the files into the converted files-folder wasn't much fun

[jdobbs]

You can set the minimum size yourself using the VTS_MIN_SIZE= parameter under the [Options] area in the REBUILDER.INI file. The default value is:

VTS_MIN_SIZE=2625

The value is the size in sectors (2K each) that you want considered as a minimum for reencoding.

In most cases, though, what you gain is not worth it. The only exception I can think of is a disc that has lots and lots of small VTSs.

What manual copying?

[DK]

rb simply ignored some files and didn't encode/copy them

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=638610#post638610

[lark]

Originally posted by bteamfox
The File mode was better it showed vts files 2-24. But I still go the message

"Warning@ The input directory is already small enough to fit on a DVD-5. No compression is necassary. Continue anyway?"


to me this sounds like RB doesn't like VOBs whose name is something like VTS_*_MENU*VOB and it doesn't like the VOB whose size is > 1Gb.

regards
t :)

[bteamfox]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I think you must have some of the other "processing" flags set in file mode... there are several of them.

Thanks jdobbs for your help. I pressed the "Rest to Default" in DVD Decrypter and now the rip has all the correct names. Sorry to bother you with something that was not a DVD RB problem.

Regards

Bteamfox

[DMagic1]

Can RB remove the layer breaks in the final output please.
A warning about this if they are there would be good too.

[sweetness]

Hi, DMagic1
look at this post (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=597389#post597389).

[johnhamler1]

i report an error 9, in rebuild process at 70%
IDENTITY, R1 VERSION, SPECIAL EDITION.

interleaving ilvu object.

[jdobbs]

I'll pick it up and try it.

Could you post the contents of your REBUILDER.INI file so I can make sure I encode it with the same settings as you. Also, do you do any preprocessing?

[johnhamler1]

jdobbs,

no preprocessing, or I would not ask you if it was my mistake.

but i think it comes from this ILVU thing. I have no idea what ilvu is, this movie has 2 formats and an extended version. .

[Options]
Mode=5
OneClick=0
ReduceOpt=0
NoWarn=1
AdditionalOutput=1
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=0
HC_Quality=3
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=8
Skin=Rebuilder Default
QuEncodeType=0
DVD_Label=IDENTITY
DVD_Name=IDENTITY.ISO
MovieOnly=0
HalfD1=0000000
Convert_16_9=0000000
DisableInterlace=0000000
ExtraMatrix=QuEnc Lower Bitrate (QLB)
ISO_Output=0
HalfExtras=1
HC_VBR_Bias=20
MainMatrix=MPEG Standard
HC_OPV=0
Completed=2
VLowMatrix=QuEnc Lower Bitrate (QLB)
LowMatrix=QuEnc Lower Bitrate (QLB)
CCE=0
DECOMBFlag=0
Backcolor=14215660
[Paths]
QuEnc=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
ReJig=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\ReJig\ReJig.exe
HC=C:\Program Files\HC encoder\HCbatch_015.exe
ProCoder=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB PRO\DGDecode.dll
Working=C:\DVD WORKING AREA\
Output=C:\DVD OUTLET\
Source=C:\IDENTITY\VIDEO_TS\
[Audio]
Selected=11111111111
[Subpictures]
Selected=1111
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=25
Quality_prec=16
eclPasses=2

[jdobbs]

By the way. Reporting your error is fine (actually important)... but posting it in multiple threads is inappropriate... rule #8.

[johnhamler1]

ok, sorry for the multiple posting!
have you been able to get a copy of this movie?


Were you doing an OPV encode against a multiangled source? If so, don't. Try using 2 pass VBR.

what is OPV?, I was doing nothing wrong i guess... , did a copy, that s all.I tried 2 pass last night, same error.

[jdobbs]

I'll pick it up today. For some reason I had gotten the impression it was a PAL R2 version you had... I guess I got distracted.

[jdobbs]

Well, I did Identity, NTSC, R1, using the settings from your INI file -- and it completed without issue.

[johnhamler1]

thats one of the very few DVDs I have in R1 .i prefer US versions than EU italian version.
and It is a special edition. did you try that one?

[jdobbs]

Yes, and it worked okay. But I just remembered that the current version I'm using had some changes to the way HC gets setup. I also had installed HCBatch_016.EXE. So, I've gone back to v1.00 RC6 as it was shipped and am running it again to see if it acts differently.

[jdobbs]

@johnhamler1

Yep. I'm able to repeat it now. The newest (unreleased) version works, though. I'm going back through to see what causes it and why it was corrected by my recent changes just to be sure.

[DoctorM]

Um, issue #11 again?

I'm new here and to DVD-rb. Seems awesome and a much better alternative to DVDShrink. Results look fantastic for 50-60% compressions (where DVDShrink looks like crap).

I'm using v.95 and the first 2 DVDs I tried to back up: True Lies and Breakfast at Tiffanys both result in a freeze at the original discs' layer change. That is the player freezes the frame and won't continue (waited about 60 seconds before stopping the player).

I've tried rebuilding, reencoding with different settings and I can't fix it. Heck I even did a reauthor for the movie only with DVDShrink (without compression and removing the layer change) followed by DVD-rb and I still have the freeze.

The stand-alone player is a Sony C650D.

Reading through this thread I can't believe it's still an issue.

[jdobbs]

???? That's a new one.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this?

[DoctorM]

Is it possible the problem was caused by ripping the DVD to hard drive with DVD Decrypter 3.5.4.0? Or is that the preferred way of doing it?

[jdobbs]

Yes, that's the preferred way of doing it (either in file mode or as an ISO).

[DoctorM]

Just to verify the source of the problem, I took the same image from my hard drive, ran it through DVDShrink and burned a rw disc.

Besides looking crappy from 63% compression, there was no hangup at the original layer change.

That to me is extremely odd... so even though DVDShrink can make whatever it is playable, if you pre-process with DVDShrink it still gets borked by DVDrb later.

I know sony units are more sensitive to this problem, but I'm scratching my head here.

[Harrysmiith]

Not sure if this is relevant - as I'm new to all this and still trying to figure things out.
It looks like pre processing is supposed to be a no no ? I have just tried to back up a DVD of about 7.7 gig made up of 8 episodes of a 1955 tv program. Using Movie only just gets me one episode. So I just used shrink I to reauthor with no compression to make an ISO. Previously I used shrink to write the files to my HD and ended up with
all 8 episodes but the first having a nasty banding problem - caused no doubt by using shrink first.

I have no reason to use shrink first except that I can't find a way to back up only the 8 episodes

[Taelon]

Um, issue #11 again?
...
both result in a freeze at the original discs' layer change. That is the player freezes the frame and won't continue (waited about 60 seconds before stopping the player).DoctorM, I'm a newbie with DVD-RB so can't even guess where the problem is, but perhaps you can take a look at the Cell Tables from the fresh rip and compare it to what you have after running it thru Shrink and RB. I'd use PgcEdit (http://www.videohelp.com/~r0lZ/pgcedit/index.html) since it provides the info in a easy to read table. Simply load the title into PgcEdit and double-click on the main title to see the where the layer-break is and if there are any cell commands. It might look something like this (before any processing):VTST 1:

************ VTST 1 , 1 TTN 1 (2:15:00) Title 1 ************

Playback time: 02:15:00.15 (at 30 fps)
PG Playback mode: sequential
PUOs: 30425088 (0x01D04000)
- Menu call - Angle (0x00004000)
- Audio stream change (0x00100000)
- Angle change (0x00400000)
- Karaoke audio mix change (0x00800000)
- Video presentation mode change (0x01000000)
NextPGCN: 0
PrevPGCN: 0
GoUpPGCN: 0
PGC Still Time: 0
Audio stream 1 status: 0x00008000 (stream=0)
Audio stream 2 status: 0x00008100 (stream=1)
Audio stream 3 status: 0x00008200 (stream=2)
Subpic stream 1 status: 0x80000200 (streams for 4:3=0, wide=0, letterbox=2, pan&scan=0)
Subpic stream 2 status: 0x80010300 (streams for 4:3=0, wide=1, letterbox=3, pan&scan=0)

Chap. Prog. Cell Type Layer Ang VOBU Cell Cell Playback End Entry First Last Last VOB Cell
(PTT) Flags Break Still Still Cmd. Time Time VOBU ILVU VOBU VOBU ID ID
Time # sector End Start End

1 1 1 2 yes - no 0 0 00:06:27.29 00:06:27.29 0 0 196292 196657 1 1
2 2 2 8 no - no 0 0 00:03:26.21 00:09:54.20 196658 0 302813 303066 1 2
3 3 3 10 no - no 0 0 00:08:00.19 00:17:55.09 303067 0 542178 542541 2 1
4 10 no - no 0 0 00:07:36.11 00:25:31.20 542542 0 766005 766230 3 1
4 4 5 10 no - no 0 0 00:07:09.19 00:32:41.09 766231 0 975354 975679 4 1
6 10 no - no 0 0 00:07:17.15 00:39:58.24 975680 0 1185854 1186174 5 1
7 10 no - no 0 0 00:08:01.06 00:48:00.00 1186175 0 1419213 1419638 6 1
8 10 no - no 0 0 00:05:16.29 00:53:16.29 1419639 0 1585346 1585772 7 1
5 5 9 8 no - no 0 0 00:05:37.02 00:58:54.01 1585773 0 1756875 1757028 7 2
10 2 yes - no 0 0 00:00:38.22 00:59:32.23 1757029 0 1775655 1776028 8 1
6 6 11 8 no - no 0 0 00:07:19.21 01:06:52.14 1776029 0 1957922 1958211 8 2
12 10 no - no 0 0 00:06:30.24 01:13:23.08 1958212 0 2154570 2155000 9 1
13 10 no - no 0 0 00:00:07.21 01:13:30.29 2155001 0 2158859 2159282 10 1
14 10 no - no 0 0 00:01:28.09 01:14:59.08 2159283 0 2201199 2201546 11 1
7 7 15 10 no - no 0 0 00:06:17.26 01:21:17.04 2201547 0 2369995 2370213 12 1
8 8 16 8 no - no 0 0 00:03:55.09 01:25:12.13 2370214 0 2457294 2457698 12 2
9 9 17 10 no - no 0 0 00:06:34.05 01:31:46.18 2457699 0 2621596 2622017 13 1
18 10 no - no 0 0 00:07:10.07 01:38:56.25 2622018 0 2811915 2812285 14 1
19 10 no - no 0 0 00:00:26.22 01:39:23.17 2812286 0 2822677 2823058 15 1
10 10 20 8 no - no 0 0 00:04:18.01 01:43:41.18 2823059 0 2939838 2940185 15 2
11 11 21 8 no - no 0 0 00:05:19.04 01:49:00.22 2940186 0 3085500 3085843 15 3
12 12 22 10 no - no 0 0 00:06:10.06 01:55:10.28 3085844 0 3245716 3246088 16 1
13 13 23 8 no - no 0 0 00:01:47.20 01:56:58.18 3246089 0 3297378 3297649 16 2
14 14 24 10 no - no 0 0 00:02:33.20 01:59:32.08 3297650 0 3371292 3371686 17 1
15 15 25 8 no - no 0 0 00:06:51.01 02:06:23.09 3371687 0 3555593 3556020 17 2
16 16 26 8 no - no 0 0 00:01:34.14 02:07:57.23 3556021 0 3607134 3607477 17 3
27 10 no - no 0 0 00:07:02.07 02:15:00.00 3607478 0 3774604 3774730 18 1
17 17 28 2 yes - no 0 0 00:00:00.15 02:15:00.15 3774731 0 3774731 3774735 19 1

VTST 1 total playing time: 02:15:00.15 (at 30 fps)After processing the Layer Break marks should be gone and the 2 should be a 10. I've highlighted the columns headings you want to look at. The text info (as posted here) is available from "Info" -> "PGCs parameters and Cell Tables" in PgcEdit.

[Rippraff]

@Harrysmiith
Don't use "Movie only" on episode dvds! That's because in this case, DVD-RB looks for the biggest VTS and decided it to be the main movie and ignores all others.
You have to use "Fullbackup mode" and blank unwanted material with "Video Segment Editor".

Cu Rippraff

[Harrysmiith]

Thanks

will now go off and find out what a "video segment editor is"

[Rippraff]

find out what a "video segment editor is"
You'll find it under "Options". ;)

Cu Rippraff

[Rockas]

... after "Prepare" phase :)

[DoctorM]

So DVDShrink's title shows layer breaks at the first and last chapter with a code of 2. DVDRB's title shows the same.

The original DVD had the layer break at cell 28.
DVDShrink and DVDRB had a value of 10 with no for layer break. In fact every single number is identical except what is in the "VOBU Entry", and the 2 "Last VOBU" columns.

I would have posted the code, but I can't figure out how you copied them.
Btw, Taelon no columns were highlighted in the code like you said. :)

[Harrysmiith]

You'll find it under "Options". ;)

Cu Rippraff

Thanks but I'm using the Pro version and it does not seem to appear. After prepare it looks like i can simply change to movie only and proceed ?

[Rockas]

Thanks but I'm using the Pro version and it does not seem to appear. After prepare it looks like i can simply change to movie only and proceed ?
After prepare phase, just click on the right tab... the segment editor is there.

edit: right tab = tab on the right :)

[Taelon]

Btw, Taelon no columns were highlighted in the code like you said. :)Sorry, perhaps I wasn't totally clear. I said that I highlighted them in the code that I posted so you would know which columns to look at. Anyway, they sound correct, so ignore what I said and follow the advice of the Rebuilder experts who are trying to assist you.

[Harrysmiith]

After prepare phase, just click on the right tab... the segment editor is there.

edit: right tab = tab on the right :)


Unfortunately there is no tab. Have read other posts and I appear not to be alone. I will be reinstalling next week end so will start again

[jdobbs]

Are you using the Pro Version? The Freeware version has no segment editor.

[Rippraff]

@jdobbs
He has told that he's a Pro user 4 posts above and he also started with talking about "Movie only" mode. ;)

@Harrysmiith
Then you are probably working with a different skin. Take a look on top of the right window, on the right you'll find "Preview/Edit".
If there isn't anything you can try it with "Rewrite defaults" under Skin.

Cu Rippraff

[jdobbs]

If it isn't on the main screen, then it's available under "Options" -- but only after PREPARE has been completed.

[jdobbs]

Thanks but I'm using the Pro version and it does not seem to appear. After prepare it looks like i can simply change to movie only and proceed ?You can't change to movie-only after prepare.... it has to be selected before prepare.

[DoctorM]

So am I on my own with the layer-change freeze problem? I know it's weird, but it does mean something non-standard is being written.

[jdobbs]

No. Could you send me the IFO file? (DVD-RB@DVD-RB.COM).

[feedback]

Unfortunately there is no tab. Have read other posts and I appear not to be alone. I will be reinstalling next week end so will start again
What skin are you using? I am using the 'Rockas Original' which has your selections in different places.

The segment editor is listed as 'Preview/Edit' tab in 'Rebuilder default' skin.

But it is listed under the 'Options section' and is called the 'Video Segment Viewer/editor' in the 'Rockas Original' skin.

You may get more people helping by posting in the main Rebuilder forum area BTW. This thread is the sticky for known issue reports.

Glad to see you took my advice to come to doom9 for DVD-RB info. instead of trying to find it in that other website forum. ;) :D

So, Welcome to doom9!

Regards,:)

P.S. From the Rebuilder Help file compiled by Rockas:

(1) If you're going to make a backup of "Episodes" (Like TV series) DVDs you must be careful with all the options that may, somehow, remove quality from the "considered" Extras. DVD Rebuilder will always consider the largest VTS (In Sectors or MB) as the "Main Movie". If you apply any of the "Extras reduction" features on an episode DVD, Rebuilder will act as usual - meaning that there will be an Episode (the largest one) with full quality and all the rest will have their quality diminished.

[HKT3020_1]

So am I on my own with the layer-change freeze problem? I know it's weird, but it does mean something non-standard is being written.

No you're not alone, the first time I ever encountered this problem was when I first backed up Michael Mann's Collateral. I made a backup of the disc and compared it with the original, there is a good pause when changing layers on the DVD5 version encoded by DVD-RB. What I did was started from scratch and kept the DTS track only as opposed to the other DVD5 having the Dolby 5.1 & Commentary track. My DTS copy came back without problems but ever since I've run into a few DVDs that choke on layer breaks, I too have a Sony which I think is at fault. My old Samsung DVD-V1000 plays those discs fine as well as my Sony 975v Upscaling Player. Being that I keep my backups of DVD9 & DVD5 on a partitioned drive, which goes through deletions every now and then...this led me to wipe my free space on that drive and also removing AUDIO_TS folders altogether (Sony players are picky). Might be a coincidence but ever since then I've had no problems. I've had this problem with The Incredibles, Collateral as I mentioned & Jaws (Widescreen Anniversary Collector's Edition). Those discs are the only ones I can remember off the top of my head. I've done just about everything recommended by members of D9, checking the DVD in IfoEdit and removing the layer break there but that doesn't help, using DVD Remake Pro and adjusting the layer break removal in the .ini file for DVD-RB. Here is one thing I am certain of, of all the people I've talked to who have experienced this problem...one thing is common, a Sony DVD player. :sly:

[DoctorM]

So what are we missing? I mean, yeah it's just Sonys, but the problem does seem to be restricted to DVD-rb not other shrinking/re-encoding software (that I know of).
Since the IFOs from DVDshrink and DVDrb were nearly identical (except for the VOBUs as noted above) I tried washing the DVDrb IFO's through IfoEdit using 'correct VOB-Unit pointers'. It still didn't fix the problem.
I can't help feeling that the problem isn't in the IFO files. I'm wondering from what you're saying, HKT3020_1, that maybe the problem has to do with how the audio at the layer break is handled. Just an idle thought.

[HKT3020_1]

Made a backup of Collateral after typing that post last night, keeping only the DD5.1 track and it plays back perfect on my Sony NC-665P. Just to play it safe, defragment your drive containing the DVD9 backup and wherever the work folder is located for DVD-RB. Then I would encode that DVD which is giving you trouble. Once that is done make a image of the disc using ImgTool Classic so what you should have is the Main folder & VIDEO_TS & AUDIO_TS. Afterwards burn it with Decrypter, I haven't gone back to using Nero for burning DVDs since I formatted last month not on this computer anyway. :D

You can see this post which I made last month and what other members had to say afterwards concerning Nero for burning DVD Video.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=718186#post718186

I do hope what worked for me will work for you, I was gonna as far as to using Scenarist for removing the layer break altogether. :p

[DoctorM]

Sooo. I tried using ImgTool Classic, but it gave me an error "Either VIDEO_TS.IFO or VIDEO_TS.VOB is not of correct size."
Next I tried a bigger hammer: I took the rebuilder'ed(?) disc and demuxed the audio, video and subpic using VobEdit.
I then ripped the CellTimes with IfoEdit.
I then used IfoEdit to re-authored the DVD. (Btw, it noted buffer-underruns)
ImgTool liked the re-authored version, but to be more scientific, I burned with Nero.
It now plays through the layer change flawlessly. SO whatever the problem, it's definitely in the IFO or BUP files.
It also means I have a more complicated, but workable way to generate backups with DVDrb until the problem is found.

I can provide the IFO of the reauthored version if you're interested JDobbs.

[wmansir]

I would like to remind everyone to reread the first post in this thread. This thread is intended to keep track of known issues with the software.

Unfortunately, I haven't kept on top of that like I planned to, but regardless, THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR THE DISCUSSION OF SPECIFIC PROBLEMS themselves.

If you encounter a problem, even if you are sure it is an error in the program:

1. Use the search feature to check if there is an existing thread discussing it, or a similar problem.

2. Start a new thread if you cannot find an existing one.

It not only makes it easier to keep discussions focused, but it is an immense help to future users when searching for a specific problem discussion and solution.

[DoctorM]

Well that kinda blows.
DVDrb is going go to a final release tomorrow with an open issue that prevents me from making a single working dvd9->dvd5 disc for my sony.

Not much point in my donating since I have no idea how long it'll be before this software is actually useful to me. Guess I'll have to look elsewhere.

Again, that blows, I wish I could have helped you work out that bug before going final...

[jdobbs]

@DoctorM

The v1.00 final release is the Pro Version... you appear to be having trouble with the Freeware version. They are not the same. There are many improvements and updates made to the Pro Version.

The Freeware version is still in beta (note the version number that is less than 1).

I think it's reasonable that a developer would spend more time taking care of his "paying" customers... don't you?

[DoctorM]

:P

Sincerely, moron

[feedback]

I would like to remind everyone to reread the first post in this thread. This thread is intended to keep track of known issues with the software.

Unfortunately, I haven't kept on top of that like I planned to, but regardless, THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR THE DISCUSSION OF SPECIFIC PROBLEMS themselves.

If you encounter a problem, even if you are sure it is an error in the program:

1. Use the search feature to check if there is an existing thread discussing it, or a similar problem.

2. Start a new thread if you cannot find an existing one.

It not only makes it easier to keep discussions focused, but it is an immense help to future users when searching for a specific problem discussion and solution.
I will take a strike, willingly, if you give this lame ass DoctorM whiner a strike. (M=Moron) incouraged is spelled encouraged BTW.
You have warned him about posting in this STICKY for known issues.
As a matter of fact, every and I mean every one of his posts has been is this thread. If he had any sense he would be posting in the main forum where he might receive more assistance.
I wish I could have helped you work out that bug before going final...How likely is that? If his technical acumen is as good as his reading skills I find it highly doubtful.
Not much point in my donating since I have no idea how long it'll be before this software is actually useful to me. Guess I'll have to look elsewhere.Don't let the door hit you in the ass! :angry:

[str8]

Closed Caption support can be probably be removed as an issue starting w/v1.09, though it does require enabling a hidden option in the INI file (presumably CC support will be on by default in the future).

[MSlv]

I get this strange error while trying to backup the R2 King Kong DVD. I use RB in CCE mode with CCE SP 2.50.1.0

[20:06:58] One Click encoding activated...
-----------------
[20:06:59] Phase I, PREPARATION started.
- "Steal Space from Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,834,763 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 269,441 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 56,655 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,796 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 30,188 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 2,335 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 54.3%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,709Kbs
- Space for Video : 3,658,510KB
- Movie improvement from extra reduction = 1.3%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 3,349/600/2,709 Kbs
[20:13:05] Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 7 minutes.
[20:13:05] Phase II ENCODING started
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
-- Encoding resulted in no .M2V, retrying.
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
-- Encoding resulted in no .M2V, retrying.
- Creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 0
Aborted.

This error does not appear in ReJig mode... Haven't tried anything else.

[Rockas]

ummm... I made that movie last week... Region 2 too... no issues at all... can you post your Rebuilder.ini File?

[MSlv]

of course.
[Options]
Mode=2
OneClick=1
ReduceOpt=3
NoWarn=1
AdditionalOutput=1
LogFile=1
QuEncHQ=1
EncoderMinimized=1
RemoveDTS=1
HC_Quality=1
HC_Matrix=1
SkinVersion=3
HalfD1=0000
Convert_16_9=0000
DisableInterlace=0000
CCE=0
Completed=1
idct7Opt=1
QTrellis=1
[Paths]
QuEnc=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\QuEnc\QuEnc.exe
ReJig=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\ReJig\ReJig.exe
HC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\HC Encoder\HCbatch.EXE
ProCoder=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\Encoders\EclPro\EclPro.exe
DECOMB=C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\Decomb521.dll
MPEG2DEC=C:\Program Files\DVD-RB\DGDecode.dll
Working=D:\DVD TEMP\KK-TEMP\
Output=D:\DVD\KK\
Source=E:\KK\
CCE250=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe
[Audio]
Selected=1011
[Subpictures]
Selected=00010000010
[CCEOptions]
VBR_bias=30
Quality_prec=20
eclPasses=4

it seems there is no problem with QuEnc either... I'm doing it right now and no error so far.

[Carpo]

prob related to the ver of cce

[MSlv]

ver of cce? So, should I select CCE SP instead of CCE 2.5?

[Rockas]

no...
CCE250=C:\Program Files\Custom Technology\Cinema Craft Encoder SP\cctsp.exe
this is wrong... the path should be pointing to eclcce.exe... did you used the Installer?

[MSlv]

Thank you Rockas.

It is important that you select the correct executable if using CCE SP 2.5, any trial version of CCE, or Procoder. If you are using one of those encoders you have to setup EclCCE or EclPro and then select EclCCE.exe or EclPro.exe here.

Yes, I misread that. So instead of cctsp.exe, I should point to EclCCE.exe . That should do the trick. Gonna do this after it finishes encoding with QuEnc. if the result is only mediocre, I am going to do it again with CCE.

Very hard to encode and still have good results, this King Kong. 3h with a bitrate of about 2700 kbps... Did an encode with Recode (kept the menus) and the result was a mess. Blocks all over the high motion places and the slow motion scenes looked too soft. I hope RB does a better job.

[Rockas]

As I said... I made that movie last week... I used CCE and 3 passes... of course the results aren't 100% perfect but it came out good.

[rahzel]

not an issue, but a request.

in the next version, can you make it so, if you remove dolby digital, and keep DTS, that during playback, it will default to the DTS soundtrack.

i just did gladiator, removed DD and kept DTS, but when i play the movie, i have to hit the audio button to switch to DTS, or if i have the menu, select DTS before playing.

or is there a way i can even do this with any version?

[erdoke]

in the next version, can you make it so, if you remove dolby digital, and keep DTS, that during playback, it will default to the DTS soundtrack.

i just did gladiator, removed DD and kept DTS, but when i play the movie, i have to hit the audio button to switch to DTS, or if i have the menu, select DTS before playing.

I think that the main goal of DVD Rebuilder is not modifying original navigation but keeping it as intact as possible.
On top of all that in this special case if you leave only DTS track(s) on your backup it will be not compliant to the DVD-Video specification as there has to be at least one of these: Dolby Digital (Ac3), PCM or MPEG(-1). It is because DTS decoding is not a must with every player or amplifier but the others are. Despite this if you have a DTS decoder implemented in your system usually there is no problem playing back a DTS only movie (and a DTS Audio CD as well).

When you are left with a DTS and one or more DD audio streams, you can modify the disc menu navigation with PgcEdit or DvdReMake Pro to set the audio stream to start with as you like. However to do this you need to know DVD navigation and Virtual Command Set a bit because audio and subpicture selection can be done several ways on a DVD-Video disc.

[Rippraff]

or is there a way i can even do this with any version?
Not with free but pro: Options => Advanced expert options => audio track remapping.
Where your DD stream has been change it to DTS.

Cu Rippraff

[rahzel]

thanks!

[erdoke]

Not with free but pro: Options => Advanced expert options => audio track remapping.
Where your DD stream has been change it to DTS.
It will not work with menus or predefined audio selection (SetSTN in movie PGC) just mix up audio part of the menu.

[Rippraff]

rahzel asked for a way how to play DTS directly without switching to the audio menu.

Cu Rippraff

[rahzel]

all i care about, is when i play the movie, it will play DTS without switching to it. will this do that?

does this just make DTS the 1st (and default) soundtrack, without changing the menu? ie, if you go to the menu and select DD, it will actually be selecting DTS? and if you play the movie, it will play DTS as default?

[jdobbs]

If you use audio track remapping -- yes you can set it to the default. Just swap it with the one that is default now. This is exactly the purpose of remapping -- many people use it to set the default to their native language.

[rahzel]

sweet, thanks.

[Rippraff]

As I told you. :)

Cu Rippraff

[techmule]

After using the RB free ver, open the DVD in PGCedit -> dbl click the main title, click the first audio streams, disable the audio streams before DTS (mostly its AC3 only). Close and open PGCedit again, to correct the pointers.

[IceM]

DVD RB does not seem to be compatible with CCE SP 2.70.02.10
It generates invalid .ecl files.

The error is caused by the first line:
; Cinema Craft Encoder SP -- Encoder Control List

Should be changed in:
; Cinema Craft Enc. SP -- Encoder Control List

[wmansir]

Try putting:

CCE_Trial_Header="; Cinema Craft Enc. SP -- Encoder Control List"

in the [Options] section of Rebuilder.ini and selecting CCE SP Trial for the CCE version. This may work as a temporary solution.

[IceM]

Try putting:

CCE_Trial_Header="; Cinema Craft Enc. SP -- Encoder Control List"

in the [Options] section of Rebuilder.ini and selecting CCE SP Trial for the CCE version. This may work as a temporary solution.

I switched to a CCE version 1 revision lower, that does the trick also. Will try that solution though later on.

[v12v12]

Try putting:

CCE_Trial_Header="; Cinema Craft Enc. SP -- Encoder Control List"

in the [Options] section of Rebuilder.ini and selecting CCE SP Trial for the CCE version. This may work as a temporary solution.

Hrmm, when I opened the rebuilder.ini in DVD RB Pro's dir, I didn't see that line

CCE_Trial_Header=

So I added it... testing now... hope it works. I just found this in an old archive of mine and have never used it before. If it works as well as it's acclaimed, then I'll shell out paypal style. :thanks:

NOPE still get the same stupid error message.... trying "change to CCE Trial" method, see if that works. <---- NOPE :-p Rats!

[blutach]

If it works as well as it's acclaimed, then I'll shell out paypal style. Not sure that CCE accepts PayPal and your other post here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=124296) shows you are using a very old version of DVDRB Pro (1.12.0). Have you not shelled out, (Paypal or any other style), already for DVDRB?

Regards

[linx05]

I think his problem is that he is using a cracked version of CCE, as jdobbs mentioned in the thread you linked to.

[jolson]

...and a "cracked" DVDRB...?

[blutach]

@linx05

jolson has read my mind. :)

Regards

[stereo]

The ting is - and the thing is every time - we'll never know for sure if it's a cracked CCE or DVD-RB. Though often it seems pretty obvious.

Anyway, it amazes me that people post questions so obviously indicating that they're using cracked software. It seems so silly to steal somebody's software, and then come running to the author complaining or asking questions about it...

I'm not saying that v12v12 is necessarily one of those people; I'm just making a general obseervation.

[jdobbs]

NOPE still get the same stupid error message.... trying "change to CCE Trial" method, see if that works. <---- NOPE :-p Rats!Also make sure the version you have selected "CCE SP Trial" under the SETTINGS/CCE SETTINGS menu. Although it may not be obvious due to the hacking -- the version you have is the trial.

That line wouldn't have been in the INI. It's one of the "hidden" settings (see the FAQ). It is very definitely the solution for the problem you are having... but the text of the setting has to match that expected by CCE. Save an ECL from CCE and look at the first line of the file with a text editor. That is the line you want following "CCE_TRIAL_HEADER=" in the INI file. Also make sure you added it in the "[Options]" area, not just to the end of the file.

[jdobbs]

...and a "cracked" DVDRB...? The terrible thing is that most of the cracked versions have problems caused by poor (seemingly random) patching. The lack of sound is a common one, and so is REBUILD errors and "skipping" during playback. My biggest fear with those things is that they may give DVD-RB a bad rap. Nobody ever suspects poor-hacking when they have problems with pirated software (go figure) -- but I sure get my share of reports caused by them.

[linx05]

Why not add a message on your website, somewhere in the installation or even the first time the program opens up?

Something along the lines of "using a cracked version may cause some problems. Instead use the free version or donate for the PRO".

[ruedas]

I think maybe jdobbs dont want to do that cause people will start looking for cracked versions. But yeah. I hope that people that use those versions realize that dvdrb is better than that.

Please support dvd-rb. The software is great and is in a constant state of fluctuation. I mean you get updates and support. And your heart glows in a strange tone of green. Yeah it feels good to support an excellent product.

[shon3i]

I use DVD Rebuilder Pro 1.25 and CCE 2.70, after encoding, i get DVD without audio? only silence

[jdobbs]

Do a search (actually in this thread). That is an indicator that you are probably using a hacked version of the software. Amazing as it is, the guy who keeps patching it continues to hack it incorrectly and causes this same error over and over. Just so you know -- he also screws up areas that affect the REBUILD... and (if you are using the cracked version) don't be surprised when you experience playback problems.

The only other report I've ever gotten related to missing audio is in those circumstances where someone mistakenly checks all the audio streams on the setup dialog -- which means "remove all audio".

[shon3i]

Do a search (actually in this thread). That is an indicator that you are probably using a hacked version of the software. Amazing as it is, the guy who keeps patching it continues to hack it incorrectly and causes this same error over and over. Just so you know -- he also screws up areas that affect the REBUILD... and (if you are using the cracked version) don't be surprised when you experience playback problems.

The only other report I've ever gotten related to missing audio is in those circumstances where someone mistakenly checks all the audio streams on the setup dialog -- which means "remove all audio".
Thanks for info, i've just tryed to use hacked version ;) in propuse to see what pro Rebulder can do.

I am back to free 0.98.2 version ;)