Philips dvp 642

[Brother Darrell]

I Just recently bought one of these things(2 days go, to be exact) after reading about it in this forum. I have noticed a few problems. most notably, smearing and severe blockiness. I just encoded Amistad with the latest version of XVID. I did it with b-frames & without b-frames. both give the exact same severe blockiness & smearing. What is interesting is IF i go into the system menu while it is playing and (in this case) go to the personal picture adjustments, it will start playing just fine. Even the parts which were originally blocky & smeared. I did not adjust anything. It seems just going into the menu did the trick. It will play flawlessly after that.
Any ideas? Will changing the 4cc header to divx fix this problem?
I noticed there is a firmware upgrade available, but since it does not tell me what it is supposed to do & what problems it will fix, I have been hesitant about using it. I suppose it ain't gonna hurt to do it but I'd really like to know what it is supposed to do prior to that. Has anyone had the problem with the blockiness & smearing before?


Okay. I just did the upgrade. it did not help.

[speed_X]

Hi Brother Darrell...

I updated the firmware on mine however, I don't know what it fixes since Philips hasn't been forthcoming with that info.

As to the blockiness, what is your average bitrate for the encode?

speed_X

[Brother Darrell]

1045(on this movie).The bitrate is fine, looks very good on my pc. Also looks very good on the player..tyhat is, once I go into the personal setup for contrast, brightness..etc.. it won't let me DO anything, of course.
The point is, it's beautiful once I do that. Could not ask for a better picture.

[speed_X]

Brother Darrell and all

Here is my setup:
General

osd lang---------eng
screen saver-----on
smart power------on
disk lock NA
program NA
divx VOD NA

Audio setup

downmix----stereo
digital output--all
lpcm output--48k
sound mode--none
reverb mode--off
DRC--off

tv display

tv standard--ntsc
tv display--4:3 PS
closed caption--off
video uotput--s-video
progressive--off
smart picture--standard


preferences

audio--english
subtitle--english
disc menu--english
parental--no parental
password--NA
default--NA
mp3/jpeg nav--no menu


These are my settings. NA means not applicable, not used.

What do you mean by "it won't let me do anything"?

Is your menu password locked?

[Brother Darrell]

No, At least I don't THINK it is. I can press the system menu button while the vid is playing. It stops playing. I then go into "smart picture"->personal settings & it seems to start again with the express purpose of allowing me to use whatever is on the screen to set my personal settings. The little hand comes up, letting me know it is not allowed, then it will play the vid flawlessly.

[speed_X]

Well Brother Darrell that's got me!

Don't know what to say, perhaps you should take the unit back and exchange it.

[Brother Darrell]

Found the problem, It does not like Custom Matrix's...
My encode was using HVS Best quality.
Once I did it again using Mpeg standard or H.263, it was fine.

[bond]

Brother Darrell, speed_X

if you two have time, can you plz try whether it works to play this MP4 file (http://8ung.at/bond/sample.mp4) on this player!
someone reported that the player is able to play files with the .mp4 extension, but in a little bit fuzzy way
would be great to be sure if it works or not :)

[DJ Alik]

it looks like philips released a new firmware dated 0531 check it out
http://www.p4c.philips.com/files/d/dvp642_17/

[Brother Darrell]

Originally posted by bond
Brother Darrell, speed_X

if you two have time, can you plz try whether it works to play this MP4 file (http://8ung.at/bond/sample.mp4) on this player!


Yes it does. Bone Collector..right? Angelina Jolie And wazzizname :D the audio was out of sync though.
Gspot did not recognize the codec though. what is it encoded with?

[bond]

Originally posted by Brother Darrell
Yes it does.nice! seems you are owning one of the first "MP4-enabled" players ;)

Bone Collector..right? Angelina Jolie And wazzizname :D the audio was out of sync though.its denzel washington ^^
was the audio strongly out of sync? did the sync become bigger with the time or was it out of sync by the same length right from the beginning?

Gspot did not recognize the codec though. what is it encoded with?gspot doesnt handle .mp4 files
the video stream was encoded with xvid if i remember it right (no b-frames, no qpel, no gmc to avoid problems from this side for the player)

btw you have pm ;)

[Brother Darrell]

Kinda hard to tell, the screen remained blank for at least 5 seconds while the audio played(not accurate, just an "as I remember it" estimate).
Then the picture came up, macro blocks all over the place.
Another "as I remember it" is it stayed out of sync for the same amount of time. also...I got curious about the codec & simply changed the extention to avi & tried opening it in AviDubMod. It did not recognise it either. Bplayer would play it but it gave me the same problem as the dvd player did.ie...blank screen(well...not truly blank. it gave me a black screen frame but at the correct resolution)then finally kicked in the video.Out of sync of course.
I will try some more testing & let you know, I will also try to be a bit more specific about sync, audio quality, and vid quality.

[bond]

Originally posted by Brother Darrell
Kinda hard to tell, the screen remained blank for at least 5 seconds while the audio played(not accurate, just an "as I remember it" estimate).hm, the video stream is very dark, almost black, but i assume thats not what you mean

Then the picture came up, macro blocks all over the place.wierd, the video stream is simply mpeg-4, as output by xvid or divx5

I got curious about the codec & simply changed the extention to avi & tried opening it in AviDubMod. It did not recognise it either.renaming is not possible. mp4 and avi are totally different things
i wrote a small guide on how to find out which codec was used to encode a mp4 in my mp4 faq, linked to in my sig

Bplayer would play it but it gave me the same problem as the dvd player did.ie...blank screen(well...not truly blank. it gave me a black screen frame but at the correct resolution)then finally kicked in the video.Out of sync of course.hm, do you have the latest version of 3ivx installed? if yes, than playback should work correctly in bsplayer (at least here its that way)

[speed_X]

Hi all!

bond-> Hadn't been to the forums in a couple of days. Tried downloading the file bot no go!

Brother Darrell-> I'm glad you got it going and your problems are solved!

BTW, does anyone know what the new Philips firmware is for? There are 2 files within the archive, one is dvpxx.rom and the other is dvpxxdv.rom. What's the difference?

[DJ Alik]

Originally posted by speed_X
Hi all!

bond-> Hadn't been to the forums in a couple of days. Tried downloading the file bot no go!

Brother Darrell-> I'm glad you got it going and your problems are solved!

BTW, does anyone know what the new Philips firmware is for? There are 2 files within the archive, one is dvpxx.rom and the other is dvpxxdv.rom. What's the difference?

There is a pdf file on their website that has instructions and what was changed

[speed_X]

Hi DJ Alik!

Thanks a lot! You are a gold mine...you're really super!

I posted the info at divx forums hardware section!

[Brother Darrell]

I tried making my own mp4. I tried following the guide faithfully. I got the same thing as when I played the sample you had.
Only this time, no video at all. I did the newest upgrade and all that did was mark all my AVI's as MP4 on the disc menu. I suppose when it says it supports mp4 format, it does not mean the container.
Mind you, I have not tried a fully encoded mp4, just Xvid in the container. I am more than willing to experiment if you are willing to be the Sensei to my Quai-Chang.

[bond]

Originally posted by Brother Darrell
I tried making my own mp4.have a look here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74045&perpage=20&pagenumber=2) for a bunch of mp4 samples i created

I did the newest upgrade and all that did was mark all my AVI's as MP4 on the disc menu.what does this mean? you renamed your .avi files to .mp4?

I suppose when it says it supports mp4 format, it does not mean the container.as you already could play a .mp4 file, it surely supports the .mp4 container

Mind you, I have not tried a fully encoded mp4, just Xvid in the container.in what container? in .mp4?
beaware to NOT use xvid/divx5 features the player might not support, as qpel and gmc and to avoid problems i would suggest that you also dont use b-frames for testing

I am more than willing to experiment if you are willing to be the Sensei to my Quai-Chang.lol, i will do my best, plz have a look at the samples i linked to above :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
lol, i will do my best, plz have a look at the samples i linked to above :) Agreed.

It's very important for us MP4 enthusiasts to establish which players can support the .mp4 container.

If the Philips DVP642 can support the .mp4 container or can be tricked into playing them be simply changing the file extension to .avi.... we would like to know please

You might also want to give these files (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Philips_DVP642_Test_Files.zip) a try?


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
You might also want to give these files (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Philips_DVP642_Test_Files.zip) a try?yep, its good to also test if the player can handle the subs (tough i fear it will not do it)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
yep, its good to also test if the player can handle the subs (tough i fear it will not do it) The subs was just a side issue really.

I just wondered if the Philips player might be happier with encodes generated by Recode2.

You may not remember but I had quite a bit of trouble playing back MP4's in hardware. And only Sorenson Squeeze and QuickTime MP4 encodes would work properly before Sigma released a firmware update.

I never did find out what the problem was!


Cheers

[speed_X]

I tested a few files from a sample I got (can't remember where)

1 3ivx_cbrmp3.....video delayed...sound stops in the middle
2 3ivx_cbrmp3..........video OK...sound stops in the middle
3 3ivx_vbrmp3..........video OK...sound stops in the middle
4 mp4 box_aac..........video OK...no sound
5 mp4 box_ar.........vid freezes..no sound
6 mp4 box_cbrm.........video OK...no sound
7 mp4 box_vbrm.........video OK...no sound
8 mp4 creator..........video OK...no sound
9 mp4u1_cbrmp..........video OK...no sound
10 mp4u1_cbrmp..........video OK...no sound
11 quicktime A..........video OK...no sound

The name of the zip archive the test files came in is "mp4 test cd v1.zip" and here is the info text file that came within the archive:

******************************************************************

1) MP4 muxer test:
mpeg-4 video stream (xvid without b-frames, qpel and gmc) muxed with mp3 (vbr or cbr) in 3 different mp4 muxer (3ivx, mp4box, mp4ui):
- 3ivx_cbrmp3.mp4
- 3ivx_vbrmp3.mp4
- mp4box_cbrmp3.mp4
- mp4box_vbrmp3.mp4
- mp4ui_cbrmp3.mp4
- mp4ui_vbrmp3.mp4

2) LC-AAC audio support test:
- mp4box_aac.mp4

3) anamorphic resize test:
mpeg-4 video stream (xvid with 2 b-frames, no qpel, no gmc) muxed with 3 different mp4 muxers (mp4box, quicktime, mp4creator):
- mp4box_ar.mp4
- quicktime_ar.mp4
- mp4creator_ar_pb.mp4

4) not spec compliant MP4 file (packed bitstream b-frames) test:
- mp4creator_ar_pb.mp4

5) XCD capabilities (.dat) test:
- 3ivx_cbrmp3.dat"

******************************************************************

These tests were done using the latest firmware from Philips (0531)

Hope this helps!

:D

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks speed_X,

That helps quite a bit.

So it would seem that the player can playback Mpeg4 video streams within an MP4 container but can't handle AAC audio streams and struggles with MP3 audio streams.

Can you try the encodes I posted please?


Cheers

[bond]

the samples were taken from a sample set i created and are available here (http://mp4menu.sourceforge.net/download/MP4_TestCD_v1.zip)


1 3ivx_cbrmp3.....video delayed...sound stops in the middle
2 3ivx_cbrmp3..........video OK...sound stops in the middle
3 3ivx_vbrmp3..........video OK...sound stops in the middle
4 mp4 box_aac..........video OK...no sound
5 mp4 box_ar.........vid freezes..no sound
6 mp4 box_cbrm.........video OK...no sound
7 mp4 box_vbrm.........video OK...no sound
8 mp4 creator..........video OK...no sound
9 mp4u1_cbrmp..........video OK...no sound
10 mp4u1_cbrmp..........video OK...no sound
11 quicktime A..........video OK...no soundok so to sum it up: the philips player doesnt handle aac audio as expected

it also seems to not really handle mp3 audio in mp4 atm (no matter if vbr or cbr and no matter what muxer was used to create the stream)
this maybe should be tested with other samples too to be sure, like the one created by seemoredigital (maybe i will create some more too)

it has problems with anamorphic streams created with mp4box, but not with mp4creator (this should be tested with the 3ivx muxer too)
did sample 8 and 11 resize to 16:9 during playback?

it doesnt seem to have problems with packed bitstreams in mp4 (sample #8), i assume because it has to handle them anyways because of avi

about sample 1 and 2: one of the two is a XCD sample (i assume #1 )! which one was the XCD one (.dat extension)? did you burn the image (.bin) correctly as it was available in the .zip?
if yes than the player seems to handle XCD too already


would be great if someone else could also confirm these results!

[speed_X]

Hi all!

bond and SeeMoreDigital-> Please confirm the name of the downloaded archive is "Philips DVP642 Test Files.zip"

I will unpack and give you the most details I can.

As to the AR of files #8 and 11, will replay it and see about it. How should it look on the TV? Letterboxes top and bottom?

This might take a little time but you'll have the info shortly.

[bond]

Originally posted by speed_X
bond and SeeMoreDigital-> Please confirm the name of the downloaded archive is "Philips DVP642 Test Files.zip"thats the one from seemoredigital and NOT the one you have tested now. the one you tested now is called "MP4_TestCD_v1.zip"

As to the AR of files #8 and 11, will replay it and see about it. How should it look on the TV? Letterboxes top and bottom?you will always have black borders at the top and bottom
you can see if its 16:9 if the image looks correct, meaning not squeezed horizontally

and plz dont forget to answer if you burned MP4_TestCD_v1 directly from the .bin image without changing anything!
its important to find out whether the player handles XCD!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
Hi all!

bond and SeeMoreDigital-> Please confirm the name of the downloaded archive is "Philips DVP642 Test Files.zip" Yes, the Philips DVP642 Test Files.zip is the one I encoded and made available for download.

It's just a basic zip file so if your running WinME or XP you should be able to unpack as standard.

EDIT: I forgot to mention. Please don't forget to try playing the files again by changing the file extension from .pp4 to .avi.

You never know, something might happen!


Cheers

[speed_X]

Originally posted by bond
thats the one from seemoredigital and NOT the one you have tested now. the one you tested now is called "MP4_TestCD_v1.zip"

you will always have black borders at the top and bottom
you can see if its 16:9 if the image looks correct, meaning not squeezed horizontally

and plz dont forget to answer if you burned MP4_TestCD_v1 directly from the .bin image without changing anything!
its important to find out whether the player handles XCD!

bond and SeeMoreDigital-> I unpacked the archive, copied each file and renamed the extensions to avi. The 4 files burned onto a CD/RW, verified and put in the DVP642. The disc loaded and showed the menu but it won't play any of the 4 files, either mp4 or avi.

As to the files from the previous test, nothing was changed. The image was burned as I received it. The AR on files 8 and 11, what am I looking for? An image that looks stretched or squashed? As I played both files, it's hard to tell if the AR is OK or not. If I had to choose, I would say they looked a bit stretched however, it's hard to tell 'cause all I had to look at was the digital gnome character so I cant be 100% certain. All I can tell you is the letterboxing top and bottom was shorter than usual for a 16:9 AR.

Is there anything else I can do to further these tests?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
bond and SeeMoreDigital-> I unpacked the archive, copied each file and renamed the extensions to avi. The 4 files burned onto a CD/RW, verified and put in the DVP642. The disc loaded and showed the menu but it won't play any of the 4 files, either mp4 or avi. I dont think they will play if you mix them!

Try putting the 2No .MP4's on one CD~R/RW and the .AVI's on another CD~R/RW.


Cheers

[speed_X]

SeeMore Digital-> Will do so and report back shortly!

[speed_X]

SeeMoreDigital-> Burned the mp4 and avi onto separate CDRW's and none of them would play. All I got was the file menu but they wouldn't load.

Is there anything else I could do to further these tests?

[bond]

Originally posted by speed_X
bond and SeeMoreDigital-> I unpacked the archive, copied each file and renamed the extensions to avi. The 4 files burned onto a CD/RW, verified and put in the DVP642. The disc loaded and showed the menu but it won't play any of the 4 files, either mp4 or avi.interesting that original (not modified) files produced by nero recode2 dont play at all

about the renaming of mp4 to avi or the other way round: this makes no sense at all!!! i have to make this clear once and for all: avi and mp4 are totally different and have nothing in common, no sane player will ever handle a renamed mp4 or avi file!
renaming mp4 to avi is not an option and doesnt need to be tested and doesnt need to be spread as being an option!

As to the files from the previous test, nothing was changed. The image was burned as I received it.great, so until no other reports prooving the contrary come up, it seems that the player handles XCD (800mb on a 700mb disc!)

The AR on files 8 and 11, what am I looking for? An image that looks stretched or squashed? As I played both files, it's hard to tell if the AR is OK or not. If I had to choose, I would say they looked a bit stretched however, it's hard to tell 'cause all I had to look at was the digital gnome character so I cant be 100% certain. All I can tell you is the letterboxing top and bottom was shorter than usual for a 16:9 AR.you can check out how the picture should look like in 16:9 in the following way on your pc:
install 3ivx and play the mp4box_ar file in your favourite directshow player, make sure that the "allow unsupported decoders" option is NOT ticked in the 3ivx splitter, which will use the 3ivx decoder filter and play the file in correct 16:9

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
SeeMoreDigital-> Burned the mp4 and avi onto separate CDRW's and none of them would play. All I got was the file menu but they wouldn't load.

Is there anything else I could do to further these tests? Well that is weird, maybe it does not like the 640x352 image pixel frame size!

What size did bond use and I'll do the same. However this time I'll generate some XviD Mpeg4/AAC and XviD Mpeg4/Mp3 files for you to test.


Cheers

[speed_X]

Originally posted by bond


you can check out how the picture should look like in 16:9 in the following way on your pc:
install 3ivx and play the mp4box_ar file in your favourite directshow player, make sure that the "allow unsupported decoders" option is NOT ticked in the 3ivx splitter, which will use the 3ivx decoder filter and play the file in correct 16:9

A side by side comparison PC Vs DVP642:

On the PC the AR seems to be OK, normal. On the DVP642 all the images seem stretched. What is this?

[bond]

Originally posted by speed_X
On the PC the AR seems to be OK, normal. On the DVP642 all the images seem stretched. What is this?hm it should get stretched, make sure you use the 3ivx decoder on your pc when testing it!

not correctly played it looks like this:
|----|

16:9 like this:
|-------|

[SeeMoreDigital]

Ok,

I've generated some new 720x576 'anamorphic' XviD encodes for you to try.

I'm hoping these will work and that the problems with the others was because of the subtitles!

Anyway here are the Philips DVP642 Test02 Files.zip (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Philips_DVP642_Test02_Files.zip).


Cheers

[speed_X]

Originally posted by bond
hm it should get stretched, make sure you use the 3ivx decoder on your pc when testing it!

not correctly played it looks like this:
|----|

16:9 like this:
|-------|

bond I meant the images seem too stretched, as in head and limbs that look too skinny, tall and narrow like an El Greco painting. There seems to be a bias toward the vertical axis. To put it another way, if they could get squashed about 10 to 15% they would be on the money.

SeeMoreDigital-> will report on the latest test files shortly!

[speed_X]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Ok,

I've generated some new 720x576 'anamorphic' XviD encodes for you to try.

I'm hoping these will work and that the problems with the others was because of the subtitles!




Cheers

SeeMoreDigital-> Downloaded and burned the files onto CD/RW and neither will play, at all! All I get is a green screen, no video or audio. I don't think it likes the Xvid codec you used for the encoding!

PS: You do know I have an NTSC display. My player is set to NTSC!

[bond]

Originally posted by speed_X
bond I meant the images seem too stretched, as in head and limbs that look too skinny, tall and narrow like an El Greco painting. There seems to be a bias toward the vertical axis. To put it another way, if they could get squashed about 10 to 15% they would be on the money.hm ic, but this only happens with with the samples 8 and 11, or also with the other ones?

Originally posted by speed_X
SeeMoreDigital-> Downloaded and burned the files onto CD/RW and neither will play, at all! All I get is a green screen, no video or audio. I don't think it likes the Xvid codec you used for the encoding!strange that my xvid samples worked, but not the ones from smd
smd, maybe you do some strange things when creating the samples? maybe using your "template" is not a good idea! how exactly did you create your testing files?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
strange that my xvid samples worked, but not the ones from smd

smd, maybe you do some strange things when creating the samples? maybe using your "template" is not a good idea! how exactly did you create your testing files? Nothing strange as far as I'm aware. They work fine via both hardware and software players here. And I did not use my template!

For the XviD/AAC file, I generated the Mpeg4.avi stream using MPEGmediator. The AAC stream was created using dBpowerAMP straight to .MP4

The AAC in .MP4 stream was opened using mp4UI 1.0.1 RC2 (private build) and the video in .AVI stream was imported and muxed.

For the XviD/MP3 file, I opened up the above file in mp4UI. Deleted the AAC stream and imported the MP3 stream and muxed.

Maybe it's something to do with the burning process. I wonder if it's worth presenting them in the same way you did with your 26.3MB 'MP4_TestCD_v1'?


Cheers

[bond]

smd, i just saw that you also edited somehow the first nero digital (including he-aac) sample in mp4ui
plz try to avoid using mp4ui! beaware it also rewrites the files if you only open a mp4 in it!
mp4ui is not reliable and might fuck up things!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
smd, i just saw that you also edited somehow the first nero digital (including he-aac) sample in mp4ui
plz try to avoid using mp4ui! beaware it also rewrites the files if you only open a mp4 in it!
mp4ui is not reliable and might fuck up things! Yes, I used mp4UI to add metadata to the encode!

Sadly I think you must be correct about mp4UI.. it's not quite there yet (hopefully we can help Markus with this).... So with this in mind I've encoded the following Philips DVP642 Test03 File (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Philips_DVP642_Test03_Files.zip).

This 720x576 1.77:1 anamorphic clip was generated purely using Nero Recode2.... And did not go anywhere near mp4UI.

If this clip does not work the god knows how people will be able to make MP4 clips for the Philips player using simple tools and applications:(


Cheers

[speed_X]

smd, these are the results for test 03:

The video clip will not even load. I can see it in the menu but when I click to load it....nothing!!!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
smd, these are the results for test 03:

The video clip will not even load. I can see it in the menu but when I click to load it....nothing!!! Lets give it one last try with Recode2!

Test file number 04 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/Philips_DVP642_Test04_Files.zip) has been encoded with an image pixel frame size of just 576x256.


Cheers

[speed_X]

smd...your server won't answer. The file won't start downloading.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
smd...your server won't answer. The file won't start downloading. Strange.

I just tried it and it seems to be ok!


Cheers

[speed_X]

smd-> Was able to get the Test 04 file and burned to CDRW.

Same thing as the previous files, menu but no play!:D

[SeeMoreDigital]

If it can't play Recode2 encodes and mp4UI muxes... I give up!

But at least we've learned something


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
If it can't play Recode2 encodes and mp4UI muxes... I give up!
But at least we've learned somethingthe two mp4ui samples i uploaded worked

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by bond
the two mp4ui samples i uploaded worked God knows why mine don't work then.

They work fine here in both hardware and software.

I noticed that both your samples used smaller image pixel frame sizes than mine and had mp3 audio...

I suppose I can give it "one-last-try" using the same settings as your encodes ;)

EDIT: I forgot to ask. What codecs did you use to create the audio and video streams?


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Okay I've generated another encode, which I've called SMD Test 05 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/SMD_Test_05.zip)!

Now when you say you get the "menu but no play!". What does this menu say/look like. Can you take a photo and upload.

If it's a small photo you could use a free service by: - http://www.imageshack.us/welcome6.php


Cheers

[bond]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
EDIT: I forgot to ask. What codecs did you use to create the audio and video streams?hm if i remember it right xvid without any advanced features (also no aspect ratio set)

[speed_X]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Okay I've generated another encode, which I've called SMD Test 05 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/SMD_Test_05.zip)!

Now when you say you get the "menu but no play!". What does this menu say/look like. Can you take a photo and upload.

If it's a small photo you could use a free service by: - http://www.imageshack.us/welcome6.php


Cheers

smd-> It means I can see the file displayed on the menu, like any other file. However, when I click "play" on the remote nothing happens! Will do my best to download 05!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Thanks bond I thought it would have been XviD!

Well get this. I've just tried playing the following: -

mp4ui_cbrmp3.mp4
mp4ui_vbrmp3.mp4

and I can't get WMP9, MPC or ShowTime to play them. The Xcard can, but without audio!

The other encodes play but with varying degrees of difficulty... strange eh?


Cheers

[speed_X]

smd-> Bingo! Test 05 plays with video and sound. The AR looks good!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Well fook-me!

I wonder if the Philips player looks for the encodes profile level. Or weather the bitrate was too high?

One way or another it's worth further investigation!

I suppose I'll have to generate some more test files now, from the same source but using larger image pixel frame sizes and bitrates!

The frame size of 'Test 05' is 576x224 which offers an AR of 2.57:1. Which is quite a bit smaller than the original 2.35:1. And the bitrate is just 316kbps.

Well, I'll go to bed a happier man tonight :D


Cheers

[speed_X]

smd, bond-> As we go along I would like to continue testing the DVP642. Bang for the money it's the best player I've purchased (4 to date: RJTech 1500, Yamada 6600, NeuNeo, DVP642).

I know it doesn't do Qpel but otherwise I think it's good player and at $69.95 USD it's 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of many of the other players.

I don't think any of the present crop of hardware players will ever play all my encodes but I'm very satisfied with the DVP642.

[bond]

speed_X, i will create another sampleset for you to test asap :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Okay, here are some more encodes for you to try (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/SMD_Test_06_07_08.zip).

Test 06
Image pixel frame size = 720x432 / Pixel Aspect Ratio = 1:1

Test 07
Image pixel frame size = 720x432 / Pixel Aspect Ratio = 16:9 PAL

Test 08
Image pixel frame size = 720x432 / Picture Aspect Ratio = 2.35:1


Source
720x576 'anamorphic widescreen' DVD with a movie aspect ratio of 2.35:1

Encodes
Video = XviD Simple Profile L3 @ 312kbps
Audio = Lame mp3 @ 128kbps CBR


Cheers

[oryan_dunn]

Hi,
I just got this player and have read through this thread as well as the other one on the 642. I have a widescreen tv and when playing xvid or divx movies that use pixel ar to achive the correct aspect, this player squishes them vertically as if the player were hooked to a 4:3 tv. If it is hooked up to a 4:3 tv, all my movies play with the correct aspect ratio, but not on my tv. Have any of you tried the new firmware, and if yes, does it correct this? I really like this player, but it wont work for me unless it can display correctly on my tv.

Thanks,
Ryan

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi oryan_dunn, welcome to the Doom9 forum.

Are you talking about XviD encodes in .avi container?

If so, as far as I know there are only a few players with MediaTek chip-sets that can do this at the moment. Hopefully you Philips will be able to do the same.

I think I speak for bond as well as myself, when I say we hope that anamorphic signalling should be a standard function with Mpeg4 streams in an .mp4 container... But who knows with this player!

Which encodes have you tried?


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

I dont think you will see such things in an ESS based player.
The ESS chip is very very very very poor when it comes to resizing.

[speed_X]

Hi oryan_dunn!

When you say widescreen tv, do you mean 16:9?

Have you tried the tv settings within the video menu, say changing it to widescreen?

[DJ Alik]

yes that's exact the problem that I have. the philips people suggested encoding them at 720x480. That fixes the problem with a widescreen tv (only if the movie is 1.85 anamorphic) but then when you watch them on a regular tv the movie is squized horizontally.

[speed_X]

smd-> test results:

test 06 audio and video OK

test 07 audio and video OK

test 08 green screen, no audio and no video

[oryan_dunn]

Yeah, i have a 16:9 tv that I have hooked this player to. I have a feeling that the player only outputs 720x480 and assumes that you have a 4:3 tv when playing divx or any mpeg4 material. I believe that this player would scale the movie to fit those dimensions by adding black bars where needed. The problem is when it is actually a widescreen tv. The player will still output 720x480, but my tv streches that resolution to fill my tv. When it does this, widescreen divx need less black bars to make it the correct ratio. I've seen this with my HTPC that I have using the Radeon9700 and the component dongle. If i use a single monitor and enable the video overlay for my tv, it outputs 720x480. This works great for dvds that are anamorphically encoded and have black bars added as needed, like on 2.35:1 movies, but this doesn't work so well for divx players that rely on the pixels being a 1:1 ratio. Divx played when I have the video overlay turned on, are squished in the same manner that they are on this player. If i enable my tv as a secondary monitor with a resolution with 16:9 ratio, eg. 1920x1080, the divx play fine. I guess for now I'll have to stick with my HTPC for my divx and xvid files. I was really only trying this player out for a friend who is not technically inclinded and wanted a simple solution for playing these files. Unfortunatelly, i'll have to look elsewhere. Thanks for your responses though.

Ryan

PS. I just realized that I had my first and now this is my second post. I registered last year, but for some reason, never posted. Thanks for the welcome anyways.

[SeeMoreDigital]

OK everybody, we need to take stock

When it comes to playing back anamorphic encodes things can get pretty confusing. So I will generate some more encodes and post them for you guys to try!

Now that I know that the player can play file 07, some of you with 16:9 TV's may be interested to know that this is a properly cropped PAL anamorphic encode, from a movie that has an aspect ratio of 2.35:1 (ie: only the black mattes have been cropped away). All of which has been put in an .MP4 container.

What I propose doing is to upload file 07 again but this time in both an .AVI container and .MP4 container!

Hopefully all you people with 16:9 TV's can test both files to see if the 'anamorphic signalling' works properly.


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Okay, here are encodes 09 and 10 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/SMD_Test_09_10.zip) for you all to try.

09: has been anamorphicly cropped and placed in an .MP4 container

10: has been anamorphicly cropped and placed in an .AVI container


Cheers

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
smd-> test results:

test 06 audio and video OK

test 07 audio and video OK

test 08 green screen, no audio and no video This is interesting because the only difference between 07 and 08, is that 07 was encoded using XviD's Pixel Aspect Ratio setting. And 08 was encoded using XviD's Picture Aspect Ratio setting.

So, it would seem the player can't understand XviD's Picture Aspect Ratio setting, which explains why some of my earlier encodes did not work.

We are getting somewhere :)

[oryan_dunn]

Hi,
Instead of returning the player, I decided to keep it a little bit longer to help you guys out, trying to figure out how to play anamorphic stuff on a widescreen tv. I noticed talk about PAL movies and I'll note I live in the states. I doubt that should have any bearing, but I don't know how these files differ when using pal. Anyways, I tried your files 9 and 10. 9 played ok with audio and video, but it was streched vertically instead of horizontally. I think this means the player did correctly read the anamorphic flag. The problem then is that the player streched it to fill the screen vertically. This test movie filled my 16:9 tv with very small (almost unnoticable) bars on the top and bottom, no where near the size of bars for a 2.35:1 movie on my 16:9 tv normally. I believe this is the same thing DVD's do, but when they have a 2.35:1 movie, they have to add black bars to prevent just what happened to test file 9. I also tried 10 and the player said codec not supported.

Ryan

[SeeMoreDigital]

Nice one Ryan,

Just to make you feel more wanted :D I've generated some NTSC test encodes for you to try: -

So set your CD burners to stun because here are NTSC encodes 11 and 12 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/SMD_Test_11_12.zip).

Please note that these encodes are full sized 720x480 anamorphic (the same as the DVD source) and therefore include the mattes (ie: no cropping). The bitrate is around 600kbps which is pretty low for such a short encode... anyway if these work too tomorrow we will try something a little more complex!


Cheers

[oryan_dunn]

So set your CD burners to stun because here are NTSC encodes 11 and 12.

lol

Test file 11 played correctly with the correct AR. File 12 suffered the same fate as 10 and wouldn't play.

How difficult is it to reencode xvid or divx movies that I've downloaded from the internet so that they will play correctly on my tv? I've experimented in converting my own DVDs to xvid with ac3 sound, but I haven't worked with an xvid to begin with. Is there a way to add the anamorphic flag as well as black bars to create the correct AR?

Thanks,
Ryan

[SeeMoreDigital]

Interesting that it's the AVI's that are not working correctly.

Please give this SMD Test 12 Mk2 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/SMD_Test_12_Mk2.zip) a try. It's been generated without a muxer.


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

Its normal that file 11 played correctly on your 16:9 tv.
To make sure the anamorphic flag is working you have to switch the player to 4:3 and look at the result.
If the black bars get bigger (the height of the movie is reduced) then the flag is working, otherwise its not.

Or maybe SeeMoreDigital can create 2 files wich are exactly the same, only with different ar settings.

btw, i can also say that setting the picture aspect ratio result in unplayable files, at least with the 2 ess based players that i tried (but with avi).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hi Zhnujm,

I think it's safe to say that this Philips player is the first stand-alone to support the .MP4 container... Shame there's no AAC decoding though.

Anyway, tomorrow I think it's time to try some MP4's with more than one audio stream!


Cheers

[oryan_dunn]

well file 12 played ok, but I tried Zhnujm suggestion and the file still played correctly on my screen. That means that it didn't read the anamorphic flag as it didnt' add more black bars.

[speed_X]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
This is interesting because the only difference between 07 and 08, is that 07 was encoded using XviD's Pixel Aspect Ratio setting. And 08 was encoded using XviD's Picture Aspect Ratio setting.

So, it would seem the player can't understand XviD's Picture Aspect Ratio setting, which explains why some of my earlier encodes did not work.

We are getting somewhere :)

smd-> Count me along for the ride and I will help testing as time permits. BTW, I've heard through the EYO forums that Philips is releasing a model DVP642K (220-240 Volts) in Australia and thought perhaps they have any plans for the UK...have you heard anything?

speed_X

[speed_X]

smd and bond-> test 11 and 12 results

11 audio video are OK
12- won't play (codec not supported)

[speed_X]

smd and bond-> test 12 results: audio and video OK

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
smd and bond-> test 12 results: audio and video OK Is this Test 12 Mk2?


OK. Now that it's confirmed that the Philips DVP 642 can spin Mpeg4/MP3 encodes in the MP4 container. Lets see if it can play files with two MP3 streams!

Such as SMD Test 13 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/SMD_Test_13.zip)

Test 13 .MP4 Encode Info
Image pixel frame size = 368x240 'Anamorphic' / Pixel Aspect Ratio = 16:9 NTSC / 2No 2Ch MP3 Audio Tracks / Muxed with mp4UI

Encode: -
Video = XviD Simple Profile L3 @ 500kbps approx
Audio = Lame mp3 @ 128kbps CBR - English track
Audio = Lame mp3 @ 128kbps CBR - Spannish track

IMPORTANT NOTE:
This encodes includes the black mattes within the 368x240 frame (just like the DVD source). It is also 'anamorphic'. Hopefully the image should be displayed correctly on both a 4:3 or 16:9 TV but please remember to check your players TV output settings

[speed_X]

Hi smd and all!

You're right, that was test 12 Mk2.

Test 13 is completely perfect. The aspect ratio looks very good and the Spanish sound track is good but no English playback.

You encoded the top/bottom bars together with the image? Does it take more bit rate to do that?

[oryan_dunn]

Well test 13 played with spanish audio, but thats all that I had access too. I couldn't change to the english. Also, it was squished as before and the player didn't change the aspect when I changed the tv type, so the anamorphic flag either wasn't there or wasn't read correctly.

Ryan

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
You encoded the top/bottom bars together with the image? Does it take more bit rate to do that? I did this because before when I cropped them out the image filled the screen from top to bottom.

A 2.35:1 image when displayed on a 16:9 TV should display approx 32% of black matte (16% above the image & 16% below the image). A 2.35:1 image when displayed on an 4:3 TV should display approx 76% of black matte (38% above the image & 38% below the image).

But in answer to your question, generating encodes with the black mattes does not add very much to the overall bitrate, as black usually compresses to zero.

That said, if you do decide to encode with the mattes, GMC will not work and Qpel will probably not work well either. Also if the edge between the image and the matte is not a clean (some are fuzzy) a lot of bits can be wasted during rendering.

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
Well test 13 played with spanish audio, but thats all that I had access too. I couldn't change to the english. Also, it was squished as before and the player didn't change the aspect when I changed the tv type, so the anamorphic flag either wasn't there or wasn't read correctly.Hmm!

Strange that speed_X's setup appeared to display the anamorphic encode correctly but yours could not... I wish I could test one of these players first hand, as there are so many variables!


With regard to audio. What a shame that it's not possible to select the tracks. But at least having more than one track in the container did not crash the player... so who knows what another firmware upgrade might bring!


Cheers

[speed_X]

smd-> You just might get a chance to get your hands on a DVP642(k)!
I was at the EYO forums in Australia and I read Philips is importing the DVP642k down there. It looks just like mine and the only thing is that it's 220-240 Volts. Would you please approach Philips and ask them if they've got any plans to import a similar model into the UK since you've got a UK email?

It would be great if folks in the UK could get these!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Actually I'm wondering if the Philips DVP630 is the European equivalent....

HAS ANYBODY GO ONE OF THESE?


Cheers

[Phobos]

i skimmed through the thread cuz i dont understand crap about AR, but i catched the following conclussions.

supports mp4 container
no aac audio support :/
xcd support
AR support (bond and seemore, pls post your conclusions on that)
problems with mp3 and avi either cbr or vbr

maybe i forgot, but what about subtitles?? does it suport bifs mp4 subtitles? how about external srt files??

pls clarify/correct anything of my post

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Phobos
supports mp4 container
no aac audio support :/
xcd support
AR support (bond and seemore, pls post your conclusions on that)
problems with mp3 and avi either cbr or vbr

* Supports MP4 container - Yep!
* No AAC audio support - Yep!
* XCD support - It would appear so!
* AR support - Not 100% sure.
Seems to work for 16:9 TV's but not for 4:3 TV's. More testing required!
* Problems with mp3 - Nope, these encodes do work.
I generated some Mpeg4/mp3 muxes using AVI-mux that didn't work but that's about it. People on other forums seem to have no problems with AVI's... however, these same people don't appear to have tested MP4.


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

To make sure if AR settings do work or not you can try these files:

1:1 AVI - ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/arsettings/11.avi
16:9 AVI - ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/arsettings/169.avi
1:1 MP4 - ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/arsettings/11.mp4
16:9 MP4 - ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/arsettings/169.mp4

They are all the same except the AR setting.
If all files have the same height during playback then the AR setting is not working.
Hope the MP4 files are playable.

[CruNcher]

@speed_X
could you try one of the official .mp4 files from philips you can find them somehere on their website, if not pm me thx :)
like this CDR-Dinner_HighQuality_1300k(1)-996.mp4 for example

[SeeMoreDigital]

I had a quick look under their 'Global' web site and all I could find for the DVP642 was this... A load of PDF's: -

http://www.internetsearch.philips.com/BISSSAX/searchpr.jsp?lArticleTypeId=1&lNodeId=0&language1=&searchquery=%44%56%50%36%34%32

And when you punch in MP4 into their search engine, you don't get much success either.

I did notice from the Philips DVP642 spec sheet that MP4 file playback is not officially listed. All you get is this: -

http://82.2.167.24/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/DVP642_Spec.gif

Is this still the case on newly shipped units?

Also, has anybody removed the hat off one of these units and taken some photo's yet?


Zhnujm,

I'm hoping your 16:9 MP4 - ftp://zhnujm.dyndns.org/arsettings/169.mp4 encode will do the trick :D


Cheers

[CruNcher]

The last philip units that suported DivX used Ess Chips so i think this line is useing the same, really sad that they didn´t chose MediaTek. On the Picture you can see that Mpeg-4 Files are listed separetly from DivX Files thats i think a indication that the container is meant with that, but still far away from what expirienced people understand under the Term Mpeg-4 Player anyways ;)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by CruNcher
... On the Picture you can see that Mpeg-4 Files are listed separetly from DivX Files thats i think a indication that the container is meant with that, but still far away from what expirienced people understand under the Term Mpeg-4 Player anyways ;) I think you will find most players specs list Mpeg4 separately. Some manufacturers go into more details than others though.

Take the Elta 8883 spec for example, it says -
Video:
MPEG4: MPEG4, DivX™ ab 3.11 (4.02, 5.03) und höher, XviD
MPEG2: DVD und S-VCD (inklusive DSVCD u. XSVCD), Superbit DVD
MPEG1: VCD (inklusive DVCD u. S/XVCD)

On the Kiss DP1000 player it says: -
Full DVD/MPEG-4/DivX®/XviD/CD/MP3/Ogg Vorbis/CD-RW/DVD+/-RW compatibility JPEG Picture CD viewing Progressive Scan Video Out Time Search

On the Philips DVP762 player it says: -
Video performance
• Progressive Scan : PAL & NTSC
• Video decoding : DivX® 3.11/4.x/5.x,
MPEG-4/MPEG-2/MPEG-1
• Video format : 4:3/16:9
• Video system : PAL/NTSC
• Video DAC : 108MHz/12bit

But on the Philips DVP630/632 it says this: -
http://82.2.167.24/Uploaded_Files/Doom9_Forum_files/DVP630_632_Spec.gif

So with any luck and if your theory holds true, us lot in Euro land already have an player that can spin MP4's...


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by CruNcher
The last philip units that suported DivX used Ess Chips so i think this line is useing the same, really sad that they didn´t chose MediaTek.

The Philips 720SA uses a Mediatek chip.
And maybe the Philips DVP762 also, but thats only a guess based on the connectors on the backside.

[oryan_dunn]

All the files that Zhnujm posted played exactly the same in my player. All played with the same ratio and with no regard to the aspect ratio setting of the player (which means it didn't read or there wasn't an anamorphic flag).

Ryan

[speed_X]

Originally posted by oryan_dunn
All the files that Zhnujm posted played exactly the same in my player. All played with the same ratio and with no regard to the aspect ratio setting of the player (which means it didn't read or there wasn't an anamorphic flag).

Ryan

Dito!

[Phobos]

i read somewhere that xvids asp isnt compliant or stuff so this player might have problems with xvid 1.0 even without qpel and gmc, is this right or it works flawless?? i would've already ordered one if it would support aac audio and subtitles :( but we are getting close :D

[bond]

for completeness, someone who also tested my samples reported the following:

ok I burned the iso to a cd and the dvd player can read the disc just fine

3ivx_cbrmp3 doesnt play at all
3ivx_cbrmp3 plays audio only
3ivx_vbrmp3 this one plays both video and audio
mp4box_aac plays video only
mp4box_ar says its playing but only 1 frame shows up and its frozen there
mp4box_cbrm video only
mp4box_vbrm video only
mp4creator_ video only
mp4ui_cbrmp doesnt play
mp4ui_vbrmp doesnt play
quicktime_a video only

it looks like the only one to play correctly was 3ivx_vbrmp3

[speed_X]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
The Philips 720SA uses a Mediatek chip.
And maybe the Philips DVP762 also, but thats only a guess based on the connectors on the backside.

From what I've read the 720SA uses a MT1389EE chip. I would love to get my hands on one.

The only problem with all the MediaTek based players is that MediaTek is taking forever to release any major firmware updates. Most of the units on the market have gotten fixes for subtitles but no real compatibility and playback updatesl; neither the big or small manufacturers.

MediaTek promised sooo much about the 1389xx chips and now they're taking forever to issue any real firmware updates. What's the use of a chip that can do so many things if support for firmware is so painfully slow? I could see some of this if MediaTek was a small company with few resources but that's not the case. I know many of the player manufacturers have endured constant questions about the firmware updates with no end in sight!

[SeeMoreDigital]

Are some of you guys thinking that these Philips MK chip-set based players will be able to spin MP4 contained encodes?


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

I dont think so.
I ordered a Yamaha 550 wich seems to be a clone of the Philips 720 without SACD and DD decoder.
But it seems it needs a few weeks to arrive.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
I dont think so. OK... I was just checking!

Maybe it's time to start a thread detailing players that can spin MP4 contained encodes!

If we do this I don't mind hosting a collection of short test files.


Cheers

[speed_X]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
OK... I was just checking!

Maybe it's time to start a thread detailing players that can spin MP4 contained encodes!

If we do this I don't mind hosting a collection of short test files.


Cheers

smd-> I've got a Yamada 6600 right here (MT1389DE Chipset) and I'll be glad to run some tests.

[speed_X]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
I dont think so.
I ordered a Yamaha 550 wich seems to be a clone of the Philips 720 without SACD and DD decoder.
But it seems it needs a few weeks to arrive.

Hi Zhnujm:

Please keep us posted on the player. Do you know if it has a 1389EE?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by speed_X
smd-> I've got a Yamada 6600 right here (MT1389DE Chipset) and I'll be glad to run some tests. Yep, I'll be happy to do this as long as Zhnujm and CruNcher are happy with it!

Although there are no official moderators in this section of the forum, when it comes to the MK chipset, they've done (and continue to do) all the work and I think it's right that they agree to it first!

Zhnujm has already reported success with anamorphic AVI encodes on some MK stand-alones but not all. It would be interesting to know if the Yamada is one of them - unless of course Zhnujm and CruNcher know this already!


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
Yep, I'll be happy to do this as long as Zhnujm and CruNcher are happy with it!


Why should we not be happy ? And even if we are not, that should noone prevent from doing some tests :D

I am also interested in the results of the Yamada, until now it seems that i am the only one that recognised that ar settings work with some players. Seems that nobody cares about such things.
My observation is that all mediatek players that support subtitles can also read the ar settings in avi files, so it should work with the Yamada.
The playback of the 11.avi and 169.avi that i posted above should be completely different.

Unfortunatly .mp4 files are ignored or not played if renamed to .avi by the players that i tried.

Originally posted by speed_X
Hi Zhnujm:
Please keep us posted on the player. Do you know if it has a 1389EE?

No, i only know that it uses a Mediatek chipset.
But if you say the Philips 720 uses a 1389EE then the Yamaha should also.

[speed_X]

Zhnujm-> I've heard the 720SA has the EE chip. The Yamada 6600 has the DE chipset.

To all:

If everybody agrees I'm game for any tests. If it would help I also have a digital camera I could use to take photos of the playback.

[speed_X]

This was posted by Zhnujm:

I am also interested in the results of the Yamada, until now it seems that i am the only one that recognised that ar settings work with some players. Seems that nobody cares about such things.
My observation is that all mediatek players that support subtitles can also read the ar settings in avi files, so it should work with the Yamada.
The playback of the 11.avi and 169.avi that i posted above should be completely different.

Unfortunatly .mp4 files are ignored or not played if renamed to .avi by the players that i tried.
*************************************

I tried the encodes and they do play with correct AR on the Yamada!
However, it doesn't play the renamed .mp4 files.

[SeeMoreDigital]

Hello all

Can somebody try playing this file (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/mp4test_SMD.zip) on their DVP642 please.

Just to let you know. With this file I encoded just the 2.35:1 image element from an Mpeg2/DVD source (not the matte) and expanded it to occupy all 720x576 pixels. After encoding I used MPEG4modifier to correct the DAR to 2.35:1.

Although it works for me (with my Xcard), I don't think it will work on the DVP642... If it does though it would be pretty cool.... pretty useless, but pretty cool ;)


Cheers

[speed_X]

Hi All!

The file mp4test_SMD.mp4 doesn't play at all.

[SeeMoreDigital]

speed_X

Can you have a go with this file (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/seemoredigital/mp4test_SMD_02.zip) please.

It's been encoded using a different profile.


Cheers

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by speed_X
I tried the encodes and they do play with correct AR on the Yamada!
However, it doesn't play the renamed .mp4 files.

Did they play the same ? If AR setting is working and your player set to 4:3 the 11.avi should be vertically stretched and 169.avi should be OK (big black bars, 2.35:1 Movie)
Could you post the firmware version ? Just go to setup and press 1 3 6 9


@SeeMoreDigital:
Maybe its because of the DAR setting.
If i use the DAR setting in AVI then the ESS based players i tried did not play the file at all. Only PAR was working (better say ignored).

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
@SeeMoreDigital:
Maybe its because of the DAR setting.
If i use the DAR setting in AVI then the ESS based players i tried did not play the file at all. Only PAR was working (better say ignored). Yes, it must be this... What a shame!

With this in mind, I'll go ahead and generate a series of AVI and MP4 test files. Some encoded using PAR and some encoded using DAR.

How many different makes of chip-sets do we have now?

Maybe it would be useful to start a thread for each chip-set type?

What do you guys think?


Cheers

[Phobos]

hey guys, im curious how did you burn the xcd that played succesfuly? what settings did you use in mode2cdmaker??? i want to start burnin my xcds ASAP :D

[Zhnujm]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
How many different makes of chip-sets do we have now?


Until now there are only 3 completely different chipset. All have a few variants but they do not differ very much from eachother.
I think we need a bit more competition to speed up things. :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Zhnujm
Until now there are only 3 completely different chipset. All have a few variants but they do not differ very much from eachother.
I think we need a bit more competition to speed up things. :) I guess these are: MediaTek, ESS and Sigma.... So yes, it is pretty piss poor!

I wonder what happened to the Philips sponsored chip-set we all got excited about last year?


Cheers

[BigLiftsUSC]

do you think the player will ever be able to handle to new features in the xvid codec?

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by BigLiftsUSC
do you think the player will ever be able to handle to new features in the xvid codec? That depends! What features are you talking about?


Cheers

[BigLiftsUSC]

Like quater pixel and b-frames?

[speed_X]

Hi!

It won't work with Qpel or GMC but will do bidirectional frames.:D

[snakeman]

Did you guys ever get XCDs burned and working on your DVP642?

Please someone post the setting for creating a image(xcd) that will play in our units. The extra 100 megs would be very nice.


snakeman

[Phobos]

Originally posted by snakeman
Did you guys ever get XCDs burned and working on your DVP642?

Please someone post the setting for creating a image(xcd) that will play in our units. The extra 100 megs would be very nice.


snakeman

im insterested too, i use mode2cdmaker with multitrack or whatever that is, i just use mode2track for the movie and normal for subtitles and ffdshow/3ivx installers, it works well on the computer, how does this player handle multitrack? pls post the settings you guys used to create the xcds

[JJ2335]

I got the philips dvp642 today =P, I can say impressive format support. How does image output look for you guys? I notice video image clipping equally on all sides like being zoomed ~ 110%. I have a standard 4:3 TV.

Also, am I stuck moving down one mp3 in the file menu on my 700MB CD? No next page or jump to track selection?

=( small small sub fonts. on the whole a versatile player w XVID support and apparently divx simple profile playback.

This forum is a great life saver, discovered the video setup> smart picture> personal trick to fix xvid, divx blockyness. Suggestions welcome, thx

[JWillE]

Originally posted by Phobos
im insterested too, i use mode2cdmaker with multitrack or whatever that is, i just use mode2track for the movie and normal for subtitles and ffdshow/3ivx installers, it works well on the computer, how does this player handle multitrack? pls post the settings you guys used to create the xcds

Same here. So far I love this player. It is handling almost my entire collection, but I have had no luck with the xcd's. Is it possibly because I opted to use the DAT extension instead of sticking with the original AVI extension.

[SAPSTAR]

Hi Guys,

I just bought a Philips DVP642, and I encoded few Divx files, but some are working others not....Does somebody know what are the exact rules to make a DivX (I'm using DivX Pro 5.2) in order to be played without pb on the DVP642 ??? (I prefer the DivX-AC3 stuff in general....)

Thanks...

[SeeMoreDigital]

What's the specifications of the files that don't play?

And how do they differ from the files that do play?


Cheers

[SAPSTAR]

Originally posted by SeeMoreDigital
What's the specifications of the files that don't play?

And how do they differ from the files that do play?


Cheers

Well...The ones which are working were : 720x480 - One Pass - AC3 Untouched - Home Theater Profile - Nandub muxing
The ones not working are different for the sizing (resized/cropped with avisynth) - 2 passes - AC downsampled through Besweet....That's it that's all.