How standalone players are plaing NTSC movie on PAL TV?

[Single]

Hi!

I'm interesting in such thing: how standalone players are plaing NTSC source (DivX and DVD) on PAL TVs?

When i am plaing movies at PC i use "reclock" tool. This tool syncronizing output frames to video card clock, so i have motion without jerkies. Also ReClock fetches frame's speed at some range and change it to monitor or tv's vertical retrace and resamples audio streams at the same time. As a result i am always have vsynced video at 25 fps with corrected sound outside of what fps source has. Of cause in some rage, except such wrong divx encoded videos at 29.97 fps and similar, because in case there will be very much video speed and sound pitch changes.

Is standalone players doing things similar to i have or just doubles or skips frames that is not hitting in vertical retrace "time frame" or they have another technology?

Thank you.

[Doom9]

actually, let's skip the few players that have an actual framerate conversion engine (they're very rare), so what is done is the following: speed up the video to 30fps, then output it as PAL 60 Hz. NTSC videos are output as PAL 60Hz, not real PAL (50 Hz).

[clayts450]

There are some players that convert straight down to PAL50 though, although these seem to be the exception rather than the rule, sadly.

The old Wharfedale M5 (DVD only, not DivX) certainly did, pretty sure some old Toshiba decks do too :)

[Zhnujm]

Every DivX-able player i have seen can output real ntsc or real pal (50Hz). (except the JVC 315/316 wich only supports pal)
Of course if you use pal the video does not play smooth anymore.

[Single]

Hi!

Originally posted by clayts450
The old Wharfedale M5 (DVD only, not DivX) certainly did, pretty sure some old Toshiba decks do too :)

Is there any url with such player models list exactly.

[sarahjh69]

Xbox converts to proper pal too.

[Single]

Originally posted by sarahjh69
Xbox converts to proper pal too.

Hmmm...

Is Xbox can be full functional dvd and|or divx player such good as standalone?
Is anobody here who own xbox, can you confirm that?

Now i am looking at BBK 965 and thinking to buy or not to buy.

[Lagoon]

XBox is way better than any standalones.

Constantly updated, can now play RV10/AAC, nero digital encodes and many more.

Of course classic codecs (DivX, XviD) just play perfect.

[sarahjh69]

My xbox is the best standalone ever
converts NTSC to PAL that will record on my VHS or Philips dvd recorder.

I can zoom into the letterboxed dvd to record full screen onto VHS
(some of those widescreen dvds need it)

Has played any avi, mpg, mp3 and dvd I have ever put in it!

[SeeMoreDigital]

I keep trying to convince myself that I really should buy an XboX.

And given that with the correct software incentive it can play just about any file going, it's got to be worth the effort.

I remember reading somewhere (a long time ago) that the European (PAL/SECAM) XboX's had quite different specs to the NTSC XboX's... Was this ever true and would it make much difference to a 'tricked up' XboX anyway?


Cheers

[scharfis_brain]

is XBOX able to output true interlaced content?

23.976 fps FILM on 50 Hz PAL may result in three scenarios:

1) speedup to 25 fps (best mothode motion-wise, but for sure not implemented in stupid SAPs)

http://home.arcor.de/scharfis_brain/ExotischesInterlacing/images/PAL-Speedup-ohne-Phaseshift.png

2) telecine to 25 fps. resulting in two jerks per second, due to field replication twice per second

http://home.arcor.de/scharfis_brain/ExotischesInterlacing/images/PAL-No-Speedup-interlaced.png

3) telecine to 30 fps (3:2 pulldown, like on standard NTSC TV, then dropping every 10th field:

http://home.arcor.de/scharfis_brain/ExotischesInterlacing/images/Normwandlung-ohne-blending.png

[Lagoon]

Not sure about that, as I only use my xbox to play everything but DVDs :)

[SeeMoreDigital]

Originally posted by Lagoon
Not sure about that, as I only use my xbox to play everything but DVDs :) Do you mean your XboX is unable play DVD's or you just don't bother?


Cheers

[Lagoon]

It can play DVDs just fine but I use my Pioneer standalone for that.

[chilledoutuk]

I have an xbox in both my living rooms they can play anything i through at it when setup with Xbox media center.

http://www.xboxmediacenter.de/

It can play HE-AAC using the faad codec also plays the nero recode mp4's very well indeed.

The xbox with media center has a HD that you can ftp your encodes to as well as a dvd-rom.

The best feature is the samba based network access where it can conect to windows workgroups and watch video files over the network.