Joining .m2v and DTS in any movie stream...

[lunnar]

Well I thouth this was going to be the esiest part, but it's not...

quite simple I guess, I got a .m2v mpeg2 file out of and HDTV stream so it is 1920X1080i mpeg2 file and I simply want to join it up with a .DTS file of the exact same length.

Ideally, I don't want to re-encode the video itself to leave it uncompress and unmodify. so I will have loved to create a .vob file ideally but all the software I've tried last night(and I've tried quite a bunch) didn't allow me to do it... most of the time because they don't accept Resolution higher than DVD rez, or because they don't accept .dts file.

I've spended 6 hours last night trying to find a simple solution but nothing work.. the only one that almost work was IfoEdit 0.96. but it always break early on with too many dropframe error(doh!)

so maybe muxing back in Transport stream I thougth.. well seem like there isn't simple software that can do this at least none I could find.....

well I hope some one got a solution at least in muxing a .vob in HD...I mean it had to be makable, I got 2 .vob file that I've downloaded on the web : one with 720p rez and AC3 DD sound, and one with standard 480p rez and DTS sound, so I suppose I could do HD rez and DTS in a .vob right?

please help me one this one, because it look like my only other alternative is to convert my m2v file in AVI(quite a long process that can ruined my picture because it seem quite hard to do without quality loss) and join it with a .dts file(and it must be converted in .wav i think also)

any help will be a life saver :-)

[eb]

lunnar,

Try to upload somewhere 10 MB "raw" sample of your record, best from the start.

eb

[daphy]

two ideas:

sound - use besplit6-unoffical-b7 (you can find it on 'needfulthings')to fix your DTS - stream before muxing

video - 1920x1080 is no DVD specification, you have to resize to 720x576 (PAL) or 7xx(x)5xx (NTSC)

[Doom9]

@daphy: he doesn't care about the DVD specs.

I'm afraid I don't have the specs of a transport stream, so I can't rule out DTS is supported. But, in case DTS is supported, you'd need a transport stream muxer. Forget about VOBs as they're containers for DVDs, and DVDs are limited in resolution and bitrate. Maybe what you got was a renamed TS or something like that. But to be really certain about VOBs I guess we have to consult mpucoder's site or another place that has a lot of info on DVD specs.

[lunnar]

ok, in case anyone is interested in HD movie with DTS, here is my follow up on this matter...incredible how time fly by when you are testing those thing...

ok, so far I've ruled out a few thing.
1-.vob in fact it is too much DVD spec to think about it so will forget about it.
2- .ts well it seem that .ts and a .mpg are almost the same thing, so unless someone know a way to mux a mpg movie with a DTS file, we will have to forget this one too. but since mpg and AC3 can be mux, I wonder if there is a way to maybe change the header of the DTS file into some thing that a mpeg stream muxer and mpeg reader will think it is a AC3 stream, when in fact it will be a DTS stream. this way when the file will be played, the ac3 stream(DTS) will be send to my external decoder thru spdif and my decoder will recognise it as a DTS stream and will play it correctly.. maybe this got a chance? let me know if anyonw know a way to change the header of a DTS file.

3-so I am left with my last hope now, turning my mpeg file into a .avi file since I know that a .avi can be muxed with a DTS file. but, it is not easy to keep the good quality when re-encoding. but I've downloader a HD movie in a .avi file so I've checked the codec used and it is WMV3 so I've installer this encoder, and make some encoding test with VirtualDub. I must say I am quite pleased with my first test. got to 90%(will try 80% to see if I see any difference) quality and fast processing so I espect the final movie(150 min) to be around 8-10gig not bad, and quality is almost perfect compare to the original mpeg. now I've been able to mux this .avi(only a 17 min test for now) with my .DTS and file, and voila! just got to find the good delay(I am close but not perfect on this one)

Now at least I got a "interesting solution" . but of course I will prefer to find a way to mux the non-modify mpeg file and a DTS file.

I will try to encode the full lenght movie this night(at a rate of 5-7fps, will take about 10-12h!) and I will mux it with the complete DTS file to see if I got any sinc problem over 2.5h(I am quite worried about that).

I just wonder now.. am I the only one here interested in HDTV-DTS movie???

[eb]

lunnar,

Take it in easy way, upload somwhere 10 MB of your DTS sample,
then we can see what we are talking about.
Greetings

eb

[lunnar]

ok, I wil try to post a 10mb par of the DTS data somewhere...I suppose a 10MB of the .ts file might help has well? but I dont know any tools to cut a .ts stream file..any idea?

[eb]

lunnar,
upload only DTS sample
eb

[lunnar]

ok, I will try to do so tonight but I will probably only post it tomorrow. but in the mean time I will tell you exactly what is the .dts file. It is a rip from a DVD I own(Gladiator) so it is a perfect .dts rip out of the VOB track. It is a 754kbps Bitrate DTS track.

[eb]

As below you will find sample
Australia_1_10MB.avi with true AC3 5.1 448kb/s
the source was http://demod.dvico.com/hdtv/Australia_1.tp

ftp://www.eb.enterpol.pl
user: www.eb.enterpol.pl
password : eb

eb

[lunnar]

ok, you converted it into a AVI file. that is my solution right now, as I can mux AVI and DTS. how did you convert your tp file into a AVI file? wich codec encoder?

[eb]

lunnar,

if you are noobie try to read and dig out this nice Doom9 forum,
becuse it will be nice to have you as the partner in the future discussions.

if you are "profi" looking for quick and good solutions, please make some donation in Doom9's forum behalf, then ,I am sure, all experts wiil do their best to help you /together with me/. I am not expert, I name myself as little advanced user

eb

[lunnar]

Originally posted by eb
lunnar,

if you are noobie try to read and dig out this nice Doom9 forum,
becuse it will be nice to have you as the partner in the future discussions.

if you are "profi" looking for quick and good solutions, please make some donation in Doom9's forum behalf, then ,I am sure, all experts wiil do their best to help you /together with me/. I am not expert, I name myself as little advanced user

eb

heu... what kind of question is that??? I think I've proven that I am no noobie, but still far from an expert in this matter. Believe me, I've read hundreds of tread on this forum and other forum on video encoding solution so I am not asking without trying to find first. Beleive me, it seem that there isin't loot of people interested in HD Video with DTS so I was just asking how you converted your movie because I wanted to compare with my solution wich is certainly not the best one.

sorry if I offended you because I really don't get it now....has for donation, I will look forthur for this on the rule section because I didn't you needed to donate to get some help in this forums...

[eb]

lunnar,

so please present this ... DTS sample
how many times I should ask for it???

eb

PS ... be partner not customer ...

[lunnar]

Originally posted by eb
lunnar,

so please present this ... DTS sample
how many times I should ask for it???

eb

I will stay polite...

I said I will grab a sample tonight, and post it tomorrow. Can't do it at work...

[lunnar]

ok, I got a 10MB sample file of my DTS, do you mind if I drop it on your ftp?

[eb]

sorry lunnar you can try , but I am afraid that (allowed) 25MB capacity is already overloaded more than 3x. But try to upload.
I am interesting when my IP discover this?
eb

[lunnar]

well I put it down on your FTP, and it work..the file is Gladiatorsample.dts 1:20min long

[eb]

lunnar,

no problem it is working
simply use ReJig program DVD Autor folder, load video, load DTS, load
anoyter audio1, load another audio2, set folder where all vob,ifos,bups should be placed and press CREATE. That is all.

Sample/folder name GLADIA ,in the vob there is video,DTS,audio1 and audio2.It is playing back on VLCplayer or WMP9.
I am interesting how it is working on stand alone DVD player after burning to the DVD disk .
I am uploading it to my site now 35MB, I hope that I can squize it there.

Greetings

eb

[lunnar]

Originally posted by eb
lunnar,

no problem it is working
simply use ReJig program DVD Autor folder, load video, load DTS, load
anoyter audio1, load another audio2, set folder where all vob,ifos,bups should be placed and press CREATE. That is all.

Sample/folder name GLADIA ,in the vob there is video,DTS,audio1 and audio2.It is playing back on VLCplayer or WMP9.
I am interesting how it is working on stand alone DVD player after burning to the DVD disk .
I am uploading it to my site now 35MB, I hope that I can squize it there.

Greetings

eb

well thanks for the tips, I didn't know this ReJig.. but since it is creating VOB file, and I got HDTV resolution, like domm9 said, the vob container arn't maid to accomodate HDTV source but I see you have maid the exemple on your ftp... will try it tonight at home to see if your got smooth play back, because me I got a jaggy movie after the creation of this vob.

[Wilbert]

so maybe muxing back in Transport stream I thougth.. well seem like there isn't simple software that can do this at least none I could find.....
There is a program around called mpeg2ts, which puts a m2v file in a ts file. I guess it can also mux audio streams (but dunno about dts) in it. I don't have it, but I guess you can find it on avsforum.org somewhere.

[Wilbert]

There is a program around called mpeg2ts
Did someone find this?

[daphy]

PVAStrumento :confused:

[eb]

In this case it is better to use ProjectX.

eb

[Wilbert]

mpeg2ts can be found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3556193&highlight=mpeg2ts#post3556193