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cfp999
27th May 2004, 13:55
I am having a lot of trouble with Windows Media Player 9 and xvid. 50% of the time it is showing nothing but scrambled stills and stuttering audio. Sometimes it just closes down (but still resides as a process consuming memory. That happens a lot. Only solution is to reboot. Could you please recommend me a good alternative to WMP 9?

daldrum
27th May 2004, 13:59
I'm a happy user of Zoom Player, lots of features, very good
I would also recommend Radlight, simple and good.

E-Male
27th May 2004, 14:00
there are many players with different advantages
the core media player, mediaplayerclassic, winamp, zoomplayer, bsplayer, vlc, ...
you'll have to try yourself which one you prefer

Blueseb
27th May 2004, 14:05
http://www.doom9.org/software.htm#players

sysKin
27th May 2004, 14:14
I use zoomplayer (the free version) *and* media player classic.

They are two opposites - zoomplayer is big, very configurable and very pretty. MPC is very fast, simple and (the primary reason I use it) has many splitters/decoders integrated (mpeg-2, QT, real, matroska and ogm being the most useful).

Try both, then try some others, and forget about WMP9:devil:

Radek

birdy
27th May 2004, 16:39
I too use zoomplayer and I am really happy with that.

But wereever I have a problem playing file, were no other player is able to play it at all, Mplayer play it perfect!

I also have 2 video files were the audio is out of sync in all players but strangly in Mplyer the audio is in sync! Strange ha?!

I say everyone should have Mplayer on his windows! even if you don't use it as your everyday player, you will need it!

Btw linux users should know about this great player already!

ssjkakaroto
27th May 2004, 17:55
also don't forget the good ol' mplayer2.exe ;)

Soulhunter
27th May 2004, 18:58
Click me... (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62834) :D

SoonUDie
27th May 2004, 19:15
GraphEdt ;)

guada
27th May 2004, 21:42
Excuse me, but i prefer VLC ( audio quality) ;)

gnr
27th May 2004, 23:28
jet audio rocks. it can play every format of video and subtitles (subs without any directshow filters).

Jawor
28th May 2004, 08:35
Originally posted by sysKin
MPC is very fast
I disagree. Try to use it on a Celeron 1.2 GHz to play a 512x384 @ 25fps XviD movie encoded with ASP tools in full screen and you'll see what I mean ;)

Maybe that's because I use VMR 9 Renderless, but without it I can't use subtitles in MPC :devil:

To watch hi-res XviD movies I need to use BSPlayer 0.86 or WMP 6.4.
MPC is ... simple and (the primary reason I use it) has many splitters/decoders integrated (mpeg-2, QT, real, matroska and ogm being the most useful).
Yeah, that's true.

cfp999
28th May 2004, 09:04
I just finished trying out most of the players mentioned. I like nearly all of them. I was overwhelmed by the features of VLC. Feels a little slow on my Celeron. So did MPC for some reason. My favorite so far is BSPlayer. Unfortunately it runs very unstable on my laptop (BSOD). I guess I will use Zoom Player then. BTW - I remember a player called sasami years ago. Had a lot of filters build in. Dont know if its still being updated.

unmei
28th May 2004, 20:01
"Maybe that's because I use VMR 9 Renderless, but without it I can't use subtitles in MPC"

it is imo.. i use MPC on a p3/600 with vsfilter for softsub that works fine if there is not too much styling in the subs. But not with VMR9 - with VMR9 the framerate drops to like 2 fps even without subtitles.

hellfred
28th May 2004, 20:21
And if you ever manage to mess up your dshow-filters and do not want to reinstall your OS, you can still try mplayer. With direct rendering enabled and the right colorspace, playback performance nearly equals those of the other fast dshow players.

Hellfred

cfp999
28th May 2004, 23:42
hellfred - mplayer is a linux thing right? Win32 is still without GUI? Maybe we´re not talking about the same player. I could be wrong.

Hiro2k
29th May 2004, 04:04
When things just are not working your way, you can usually turn to VLC and it will save the day! (Stuid DirectX)

birdy
29th May 2004, 05:08
Originally posted by cfp999
hellfred - mplayer is a linux thing right? Win32 is still without GUI? Maybe we´re not talking about the same player. I could be wrong.

I talked about Mplayer, but no one payed attention to that!
Yes Mplayer is Linux player, but some guys have compiled it to work under windows and it simply rocks! As I said before it happened to me that I had a totaly coropt file that NO PLAYER could open. Even Vdub could not fix or play that file, but mplayer played it perfect with no problem! Also I have few file were audio is out of sync on any player mentioned here INcluding even vdub etc. But mplayer is playing it perfect and in perfect sync.

about GUI for win32, first of all its not really needed! As all you have to do is drag and drop the video file on the mplyer shortcut icon! Or make it ur default video player, so in this case double click ur movie file!

But I saw yesterday that now there is a GUI version out for win32 as well.
Btw mplayer plays iso! file. I made a iso from a dvd and mplyer play it perfect.

This player is a must have!

cfp999
29th May 2004, 09:22
Cool! Know where to get it?

hellfred
29th May 2004, 09:42
There are some gui's. Some written for Win32 mainly, but if you own a quite strong cpu, you can even run latest cygwin X-Server on your system an use the native mplayer gui. Beware, the guis do not support all the features that are available via console parameters. (and can be set in a config file for convenience, there). Furthermore, cygwin output to console slows down things a bit. Usinge mplayer -quiet or mplayer -really-quiet helps.
Now for the links:
The precompiled win32 binaries are availabel here:
ftp://ftp.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/win32-beta/
Those are compiled using MinGW, which makes them faster than cygwin compiels. The gui available there is more like a draft, development was stopped.
But there are some gui's on the net:
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design5/projects.html#windows

Hellfred

avih
29th May 2004, 20:51
threads on this forum (software players):

mplayer 1.0 pre4 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75273).

mplayer and xcd on win32 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70128).

long mplayer/win32 thread (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52335&highlight=mplayer)

Heini011
31st May 2004, 17:10
is there any player beside winamp, which can play entire directorys of video-clips (in random order) ?

greetings, heini011.

guada
31st May 2004, 21:41
hello Avih,

Mplayer is a good player but one thing surprised myself.
For old encode of RV9 vbr with audio cook ,dll audio codec missed.
just that.

Bye ;)

hellfred
1st June 2004, 11:51
Originally posted by guada
hello Avih,

Mplayer is a good player but one thing surprised myself.
For old encode of RV9 vbr with audio cook ,dll audio codec missed.
just that.

Bye ;)

MPlayer just comes with some open source codecs like e.g. libavcodec (various MPEG video and Audio codecs, RV10 and RV20, theora etc) and libfaad ( various AAC profiles). But the user has to download the binary decoder dlls for e.g. RV30, RV40, WMV 3, VP4,5,6 etc himself.
See http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html

Hellfred

thoralf
1st June 2004, 19:09
Originally posted by cfp999
I am having a lot of trouble with Windows Media Player 9 and xvid. 50% of the time it is showing nothing but scrambled stills and stuttering audio.

This indicates that your DirectShow-configuration is a bit messed up. In that case, using other players probably won't help, since the majority of them depends on DS as well.
If your DS setup is fubar, vlcplayer or mplayer should do the job.
In general, it is a good idea to install only DS filters you really need* and to stay away from those codec packs.

* - these include ogm- and matroska-splitter, ogg audio codecs, xvid and ffdshow filters with regard to video and a recent vsfilter.

with kind regards,
Thoralf.

Jawor
1st June 2004, 19:23
Originally posted by thoralf
these include ogm- and matroska-splitter
Media Player Classic has these two filters built-in, as well as filters decoding many audio formats (e.g. AC3, DTS), MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video and some more. But as I wrote before, it's slow with VMR9 Renderless when playing fullscreen.

thoralf
1st June 2004, 19:31
Originally posted by Heini011
is there any player beside winamp, which can play entire directorys of video-clips (in random order) ?


Zoom Player should be able to do this ...

thoralf
1st June 2004, 19:42
Originally posted by Jawor
Media Player Classic has these two filters built-in, as well as filters decoding many audio formats (e.g. AC3, DTS) [...]

Yes, you are right. I should have added ac3 and dts to the list ...
However, I favour the DS way of playing back video: a working and fast DS splitter for, let's say, the matroska container renders splitters that are built into the actual player quite useless. In my opinion, there is only little point in inventing the wheel twice ... plus, it is easier to just register a missing filter than to upgrade your whole media player.

just my two cents,
Thoralf.

Jawor
1st June 2004, 19:48
Originally posted by thoralf
However, I favour the DS way of playing back video: a working and fast DS splitter for, let's say, the matroska container renders splitters that are built into the actual player quite useless. In my opinion, there is only little point in inventing the wheel twice ...
But MPC will not use both of them. You can choose which one to use - the external one or the built-in one. I think it doesn't hurt to have a built-in filter in your player.
Originally posted by thoralf
it is easier to just register a missing filter than to upgrade your whole media player.

For many people it is easier to put MPC into some subdirectory of Program Files and create a shortcut on the desktop than to execute
regsvr32 matroskasplitter.ax

thoralf
1st June 2004, 21:36
Jawor - pushing your argument a little more, you probably end up using one player for ogm, one for mkv and so on - I prefer the all-in-one solution :-)

With kind regards,
Thoralf.

Jawor
2nd June 2004, 15:51
Originally posted by thoralf
Jawor - pushing your argument a little more, you probably end up using one player for ogm, one for mkv and so on - I prefer the all-in-one solution :-)

And isn't MPC an all-in-one solution? :D

I was just trying to say that it was a good idea to put splitter filters for OGM and MKV into MPC.

Personally I have no problems with registering DirectShow filters, but it doesn't hurt to have some of them in the player.