Successful backup of multi-angle dvd with DVD-RB

[jptheripper]

Alright, before you get too excited, i had to strip the other angles (never like using them anyway)

Movie: Star Wars episode 2 NTSC r1

steps:
1. Ripped dvd with dvd decrypter in file mode choosing to only keep angle 1
2. Use DVD Remake (dimadsoft.com) from the makers of Menu edit.
a. Stripped 2/3rds of menus
b. re-routed first play to menu i choose to keep
c. removed all references to angles 2 and 3 i could find
d. removed various menu buttons i new i wouldnt use
e. removed all studio stuff, fbi, etc..
f. removed opening studio logo (in main movie pgc) and credits, replaced credits with an "item removed" vob
g. exported dvd.. no problems current size around 6.9gb (beats the 7.9 gb of initial dvd)
3. Imported dvd (video_ts) in DVD-RB v0.35 (beta), using 2.67sp with eclcce, and dynamic bitrates
a. removed spanish and french 5.1 audio, kept english 5.1 and director's commentary
b. hit prepare, no problems
i. avg bitrate 3527, high/low 8249/125 (thanx for adding this info)
c. Hit encode, no problems, 440 minutes (1 vaf and 5 cce passes, p4 2.4ghz laptop reading and writing to same 5400rpm drive, 1gb ram)
d. hit rebuild.. no problems until the rebuild, where it explodes when it tries to correct the ifo for the main title (says contact developer)
e. there is a small ifo
4. Bring dvd back into dvd-remake
a. on loading remake corrects ALL problems
b. export working dvd

I LOVE IT

thanx for a great tool

[Trahald]

heh.. kind of a deceiving title, eh? ;)

[jptheripper]

well.. guess so

but i was happy, so wanted to tell ppl. I better there are ppl that would get rid of angles if it meant they coulduse dvd-rb.

[YaoMing11]

This is the only way? I can't just rip the 2nd angle and extras with CloneDVD, then encode through DVD-RB and burn? Im wanting to make a copy of "The Others", and it has 2 angles.

[jptheripper]

I have no idea. I hate clonedvd, and avoid it like the plague.

AS for me, i ripped out the angle info with dvd decrypter (apparently i could have done in remake also) but the references were still there, so DVD-RB refused to encode. Maybe we should ask jdobbs for the program to do a "dvd contains multi-angles, DVD-rb will likely fail, continue anyway" instead of force quiting

-jp

[YaoMing11]

Yeah. Is Jdobbs planning on making DVD-RB compatible with multi-angle DVD's? This seems like a pretty big problem if we can't encode mult-angles with it. :(

[Joergen]

You can use DVDShrink's re-author mode (choose not to combine shared items) and drag the "angle" you want of the movie and save with no compression. Then use DVD-RB.

Jdobbs is planning to include multiangle (and anything else) once the "basic" dvds are processed in a foolproof manner (its almost fixed now).

[YaoMing11]

Does this work if I want to also include the menu? I know I cant include the menu with DVDshrink if I choose REauthor mode so is there a way to use a program to inlude the Menu once I rip the angle I want with DVDshrink, and then use DVD-RB to encode those with CCE?

[jptheripper]

no.. dvdshrink cant keep menus if you reauthor. My method can

[DMagic1]

You can just use IFOEdit on the movie titleset. Use the VOB Extras button and check remove seamless branching. Tell it to keep the the title that contains your movie and remove llve/angle points. Let IFOEdit do its thing and replace the old vobs and ifos with the new ones. That worked perfectly for me using DVD-RB on The Matrix.

Be sure of what vobids are played before the menu and after the play button. Sometimes something like the WB logo will be in that titleset and get stripped out if your not careful. That will cause a navigation error.

[jurij]

can you be a little more specific about how to handle the vobids played before the title like the WB logo?
can you write the procedure in detail please?
it would be very useful!!!
THANX

[jptheripper]

dmagic thats a very very useful tidbit, thanx!

[DMagic1]

The best way is to play you movie with IFOEdit and take note of every scene that plays thats not part of the menu(logos,fbi warnings,etc). Find what titleset they are in. If they are in you movie titleset, find their vobid and make sure when you strip you keep those ids.

When you strip with IFOEdit you will see a window asking you what vobids you want to keep. Since you are removing some angles, some will be checked and some wont. Make sure the vobids for you logos are checked if they are not already.

[Joergen]

Guys, I have an "extras" disc that has two separate VTS that contain an evolution from storyboard to movie and those are multiangle. If I blank them out with titlesetblanker it doesnt remove references to multiangle and dvd-rb wont touch the disc.

Is there a way I can remove the multiangle references?

Thanks.

[jptheripper]

rip angles with dvd decrypter, if thats not enough you can manually edit with either ifoedit, or dvdremake

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jptheripper
rip angles with dvd decrypter, if thats not enough you can manually edit with either ifoedit, or dvdremake

Does ripping the angles remove references to them?

edit: nm I'll try it out. ;)

[P3gasus]

To remove angle references, strip angles with ifoedit->vob extras, and then modify the number of angles of the multiangle title you are stripping in VIDEO_TS.IFO->VMG_PTT_SRPT.
Dvd decrypter will only modify vob files.
Ifoedit->vob extras modifies vob files and VTS_0X_0.IFO
Bye

Edit: remeber to use the following options:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8549/ifoeditMA.jpg

[Joergen]

Thanks P3gasus. I did that and succesfully removed the angle info. But unfortunately DVD-RB still says "Error 9 Subscript out of range" right after I hit Prepare. It does the same with a completely unaltered version and I was thinking the angle info is what causes it.

With other discs it mentions angles though, dunno why not with this one. It's my first "properly" errorous disc so far though :)

[jptheripper]

hmmm.. my angles option is greyed out, even though i know they are there...
odd

star wars episode 2

[Joergen]

Originally posted by jptheripper
hmmm.. my angles option is greyed out, even though i know they are there...
odd

star wars episode 2

Close ifoedit and try again. It only sees angles once per session for me :D

edit: hmm you're right. The angles are greyed out for me too on SWEP1 R2. The SWEP1 DISC2 R2 (bonus) gives the runtime error 9 btw if somebody wants to try.

Looks like I'll just put this set of discs back on the shelf and try again in a couple weeks ;)

[P3gasus]

I successful backed up SWep1 (movie disk) and Finding Nemo (movie disk) after stripping angle 1 (I kept only the second one). To have the angle option not greyed out in ifoedit->vob extras, you have to open VTS_0X_0.IFO if the angles are in VTS0X. I know it sounds obvious but just in case...;)
Bye

Edit: I backed up the titles above using DVDRB 0.40 and 0.41

[Joergen]

Originally posted by P3gasus
I successful backed up SWep1 (movie disk) and Finding Nemo (movie disk) after stripping angle 1 (I kept only the second one). To have the angle option not greyed out in ifoedit->vob extras, you have to open VTS_0X_0.IFO if the angles are in VTS0X. I know it sounds obvious but just in case...;)
Bye

Yep the movie on SWEP1 R2 is in VTS_01_X.VOB and onwards. If I open VTS_01_0.IFO (128KB), VOB extras -> stip vob id / strip streams, the angles are greyed out. This is in ifoedit 0.95 :confused:

edit: scrolling the details of the ifo when I open it, theres clearly (Angle 1) to (Angle 5) mentioned.

[P3gasus]

I used ifoedit 0.96. If upgrading to 0.96 doesn't help try stripping vobid of the unwanted angles (you can see them in VTS overview) and choosing to remove ilvu angle points.
I hope this helps.
Bye

[DMagic1]

If angle is greyed for you, what about seamless branching? If thats there and selectable use that.

[Joergen]

OMG I never noticed there was an update to ifoedit available :D

Ifoedit 0.96 sees the angles now! Thanks.

[djan]

Originally posted by P3gasus
after stripping angle 1 (I kept only the second one).What change between angles ? How to know wich one to keep ? Does stripping angles make free a lot of space ?

[Joergen]

Originally posted by djan
What change between angles ? How to know wich one to keep ? Does stripping angles make free a lot of space ?

I use DVDShrink to view which angle to keep. For instance with the SW Ep1 I select Combine Shared Items (or deselect rather), then scroll around selecting each angle to see what changes.. in SW its only the scrolling yellow prologue text, from that I can see which angle is my language. Then I strip the others in ifoedit 0.96.

With other movies this might be more difficult unless you know what angle is what. For instance Angle 1 might be Theatrical Cut and Angle 2 Directors Cut but you dont know unless you test which angle is selected when you navigate through the menu buttons into the movie (Hit Directors Cut button and angle 2 plays etc).

Btw if you want "my" method specific to this movie here's what I did:

1. Rip to HD through DVDShrink, removing audio and subs I didnt want. The menu was huge and could take lots of compression (originally full bitrate CBR) so I compressed the menu 75% (after verifying it looked good through encoding in re-author mode and viewing output in dvd2avi) and other titles with no compression.

2. Open main movie VTS in ifoedit 0.96 and strip angles following P3gasus' settings screenshot.

2b. Edit the respective IFO and remove the # of angles.

3. Move the rest of the stuff from the dvdshrink dir to the new dir hitting No when it asks to replace.

3b. Open VIDEO_TS.IFO in ifoedit and Get VTS Sectors.

4. Load in dvd-rb, prepare, encode, rebuild.

5. Burn in Nero 6.

6. Insert to standalone, and be amazed how I could keep the menu and movie with stellar quality at 70% overall compression :cool:

[P3gasus]

Originally posted by djan
What change between angles ? How to know wich one to keep ? Does stripping angles make free a lot of space ?

To see which angle you are playing you can use ifoedit player or windvd (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9256/angles.jpg).

Stripping angles saves an amount of space that is dependent on how long is the multiangle part of the movie.

Bye

[P3gasus]

@Joergen

Do not forget to correct the number of angles of the title you stripped in VIDEO_TS.IFO as ifoedit 0.96 does not change it.

Bye

[Joergen]

Originally posted by P3gasus
@Joergen

Do not forget to correct the number of angles of the title you stripped in VIDEO_TS.IFO as ifoedit 0.96 does not change it.

Bye

I suppose that would only work badly if a player bombs out not finding an angle. But DVD-RB doesnt read the video_ts.ifo so it doesnt care.

WinDVD and PowerDVD didnt care either (aside from still seeing the angles in the list).

I did edit the # of angles in the respective IFO (dvd-rb wouldnt accept it otherwise)

Edit: I am interested to know if NOT editing the angles out have any side-effects out of experience.

[P3gasus]

Originally posted by Joergen
I suppose that would only work badly if a player bombs out not finding an angle. But DVD-RB doesnt read the video_ts.ifo so it doesnt care.

WinDVD and PowerDVD didnt care either (aside from still seeing the angles in the list).

I did edit the # of angles in the respective IFO (dvd-rb wouldnt accept it otherwise)

Edit: I am interested to know if NOT editing the angles out have any side-effects out of experience.

Sure Windvd and powerdvd do not care if the angle is present or not. I told you to modify VIDEO_TS.IFO just to keep everithing coherent.
What do you mean by "I did edit the # of angles in the respective IFO"? Do you mean you just stripped the unwanted angles out?

Actually I don't know if not editing the angle number would result in a plyable dvd. The problem is that DVDRB currently does not support interleaving (which is needed for multiangle to work properly). So trying to process a multiangle title with DVDRB at this time will bring to umpredictable results (I guess it thepends on the specific disc). I think you could get an error in the prepare or rebuild phase.
Bye

[Joergen]

I thought I edited the .IFO of the movie to remove # of angles but it was only the VIDEO_TS.IFO that needs that done.

I didnt receive any errors and the disc works great. But editing the VIDEO_TS.IFO is prolly not a bad idea.

[LioCraft]

Hi there,

I've followed this method (Rip, Extract Angles with IfoEdit, Rip menus with DvdReMake and compress with DVD-RB) with SW Ep2: AOTC and I got a quite impressive quality.

The problem is that, after doing everything (long time) I realized that chapters where all screwed. When use IfoEdit to keep angle 2 (Spanish) it used the same times table, messing all the chapters pointers. Apparently, it doesn’t handle the right way the cells between chapters. In this particular case, it is maintaining the space between chapters corresponding to the eliminated cells (angles 1 and 3). Finally, I have 2 chapters less, and pointing to wrong cells.

How can I alter the chapters table?, adding 2 chapters and changing the pointers of almost all the existing ones?

Thank you in advance.

[LioCraft]

Don't worry...problem solved...perfect backup.

[AmigaFuture]

Originally posted by jptheripper
well.. guess so

but i was happy, so wanted to tell ppl. I better there are ppl that would get rid of angles if it meant they coulduse dvd-rb.

Yes, there are people (like me!!!) who want to use DVDRebulder (because I prefer CCE). How did you remove all references to the Angles?? I don't use Angles at all, so I'd be PLEASED to remove them. I've been trying with Mission To Mars. DvdReMake 2.2.1 doesn't remove the Angles correctly yet...

Thanks for any help you could offer.

[Dimad]

Originally posted by AmigaFuture
DvdReMake 2.2.1 doesn't remove the Angles correctly yet...

You mean you can import the disk and exported disk has problems with angles? That is something very new and I'm definetely interested to hear more details.

[AmigaFuture]

Originally posted by Dimad
You mean you can import the disk and exported disk has problems with angles? That is something very new and I'm definetely interested to hear more details.

Hi! :) I was going to write you email because I've become very frusterated with it but not at the fault of you guys; which is why I'm posting, haha.

Yes, I can import the files fine after dumping with DVDDecrypter (NOT removing Angles). I select which Angle to keep with DvdReMake (IfoEdit says there are 3, DvdReMake says there are 2), I pick Angle 1 & "Keep this." Then I proceed to export the DVD files to another harddrive (which is a lot faster than writing back to the same one) & try the DVD with PowerDVD 5 (once DvdReMake is doing it all correctly then I'll "hide" the rest I don't want).

Anyway, after I export & watch, the beginning of the movie repeats as does the end & both have a slight "jitter" once it resumes the movie from the repeat. I'm not an expert but I'm understanding a SMALL part of this DVD stuff. So, let me know whatever else you may need info on. :) I'm very happy to help!

[Dimad]

Try using ver 2.2.2. Does it make any difference?

[AmigaFuture]

Originally posted by Dimad
Try using ver 2.2.2. Does it make any difference?

I wish I could report good news. Still the same effects. It also crashed when I tried to Re-Import it. I had to re-run DvdReMake to import it again. I'm more concerned about the angles though. ;-)

[Dimad]

2.2.3 should fix it. Thanks for info - it helped resolve the problem.

[AmigaFuture]

@Dimad

Originally posted by Dimad
2.2.3 should fix it. Thanks for info - it helped resolve the problem.
Thank you!!

It does now notice the 3 angels, which has removed the repeats.
However, I'm noticing there's a "slight" jerk, or hesitation (millisecond worth?) as the movie now continues from where it used to repeat. I transcoded the new export to get a "quick" look at job on my stand alone DVD player. I'm now transcoding the DVD from DVD Decrypter to a DVD+RW without any editing to see if I notice it that way.

I'll let you know my findings soon. Transcoding is nice for testing only in my personal opinion, whereas CCE is best for final.

[AmigaFuture]

Well, I guess in a way I lied but more hoestly, I forgot that one of my favorite DVDs (RUSH IN RIO) does use angels. Since it's a Live concert I wasn't thinking of it since I was only thinking of movies.

But after sitting down & watching it & flipping through the unique way they do angles within a video I realised I'd love to back it up because I play the DVD a lot.

So, yeah, I closely guard those DVDs from anything that can damage them.
I am *greatly* looking forward to the day when DVD Rebuilder does backup multi-angel DVDs. :D

[AmigaFuture]

Yes it did help. :) You're very welcome for the help.

Hmm.. I haven't seen an update for DVD Rebuilder for some time. Maybe doing a lot of debugging/fixing/adding? Just curious. The best things are worth waiting for probably holds true here.

[marpada]

I have the same problem with this movie, I lost two chapters after angle removing and chapter menu is screwed.

Can anybody help me?


Originally posted by LioCraft
Hi there,

I've followed this method (Rip, Extract Angles with IfoEdit, Rip menus with DvdReMake and compress with DVD-RB) with SW Ep2: AOTC and I got a quite impressive quality.

The problem is that, after doing everything (long time) I realized that chapters where all screwed. When use IfoEdit to keep angle 2 (Spanish) it used the same times table, messing all the chapters pointers. Apparently, it doesn’t handle the right way the cells between chapters. In this particular case, it is maintaining the space between chapters corresponding to the eliminated cells (angles 1 and 3). Finally, I have 2 chapters less, and pointing to wrong cells.

How can I alter the chapters table?, adding 2 chapters and changing the pointers of almost all the existing ones?

Thank you in advance.

[Dimad]

Try using DvdReMake to strip angles - it changes everything what is needed to keep dvd navigation valid.