Half D1 Problem

[puddy]

Using DVD-RB v.35 with CCE 2.50.
Movie is Brother Bear Disc 2 NTSC.

I chose to do everything as Half D1 except for
the main movie. Main movie turned out great but
all the half height stuff is scrambled.

Here's a screen shot:
http://stuff.wso.net/images/forum_pics/bb_half_d1.jpg

The screen shot was taken with WinDVD v5.3
Platinum. Any ideas?

Awesome utility, thank you! :)

EDIT: I meant to post this under DVD-RB bugs thread. Now
the system won't let me delete this post and also it has
been replied to. Sorry! :(

[CiViC]

well, i know that not all my dvd players can handle half-d1..my pioneer 525 works fine (although everytime it goes to a new vts the image is small and then it stretches..)

my aiwa 3-dvd home theater system simply displays the picture twice on the screen :(

although i'm not sure how windvd would react to those dvd's on my setup, i'd recommend you at least put it on a dvdrw and see how your standalone handles it..

[quantum]

Originally posted by CiViC
well, i know that not all my dvd players can handle half-d1..my pioneer 525 works fine (although everytime it goes to a new vts the image is small and then it stretches..) Which is why I shy away from half d1. Subtitles are also not correctly display, so two good reasons to stick with the original structure.

[wmansir]

I don't think this is a player issue. If you look at the encoded .mpv files from your CCE output I would wager they look like that too. I have run accross this type of output several times with CCE, but I cannot recall the cause or solution.

[DDogg]

ditto, what wmansir said, but it happened yesterday to me. I'll try to figure it out if I can recreate it. I am fairly sure I cured it by dragging the avs in cce and recreating the ecl. Re-encode was fine, so that's where we could start looking.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by puddy
Using DVD-RB v.35 with CCE 2.50.
Movie is Brother Bear Disc 2 NTSC.

I chose to do everything as Half D1 except for
the main movie. Main movie turned out great but
all the half height stuff is scrambled.

Here's a screen shot:
http://stuff.wso.net/images/forum_pics/bb_half_d1.jpg

The screen shot was taken with WinDVD v5.3
Platinum. Any ideas?

Awesome utility, thank you! :)

EDIT: I meant to post this under DVD-RB bugs thread. Now
the system won't let me delete this post and also it has
been replied to. Sorry! :( You have an error in you AVISYNTH file. Open one of them directly with Microsoft Media Player and see what the error is. You probably are getting the "What the hell is a mpeg2source()" error...

[wmansir]

The reason I don't think it is an error message is because every CCE 2.5 script error I have encounted looks like this, when encoded:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/447/errortest25.jpg

Which is nothing like the screen shot above. CCE 2.66 errors can look vaugly like that above, but not a match:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3596/errortest266.jpg

[jdobbs]

Still looks like the same thing to me, only resized and skewed in a different way. How often you you see a red pattern on a black background in a DVD?

But... maybe not.

[wmansir]

I was able to reproduce the output by:

Creating a 720x480 video avs.

drag it in CCE 2.5 and save a .ecl job.

Edit the .avs to resize the output to something non-standard: in this case 336x240. I tried 352x480 (half-D1) and that didn't work, it looked fine.

Open the .ecl with CCE and encode. CCE doesn't check that the input matches what was saved in the .ecl and this causes the skewed output. It's the same reason why script errors look bad (because a script error's resolution is not the same as the original script).

Here is the result:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6582/resize_error.jpg
EDIT: to say the shot is of a blue sky over a desert canyon, as you can see from the colors.


I had to resize the ouput because I couldn't capture the video overlay when it was playing, but that is the aspect ratio that MPC used when I set it to 'original size' playback.

NOTE: this was with CCE 2.5 without EclCCE. I'm not sure how EclCCE handles loading .ecl files with CCE 2.5 (since it has that ability itself). I know with 2.66+ trials it has to simulate user input, which may correct the false resolution in the .ecl.

[jdobbs]

Yes, but the example you created very obviously was something other than the error code (I can tell that was a picture of some sort). The skewing and goofiness is certainly related to sizing etc.... which is also what happens when you get one of the AVISYNTH error codes...

[wmansir]

But if you look at the original post:I chose to do everything as Half D1 except for
the main movie. Main movie turned out great but
all the half height stuff is scrambled.


I think this was related to the partial half-d1 .ecl error, which you mentioned would be fixed in .40 here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=476125&highlight=v0.40#post476125). For me that generated a CCE input error message (which I reported here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=473133&highlight=data#post473133)), pehaps it got thru on this system.

(also, why would all the half-d1 .avs get a script error, but the main movie encode fine? Of course you would know better than me, but I haven't seen DVD-RB build a bad script unless it was due to missing plugins). EDIT: I just realized that it could be the extras were interlaced and Deinterlaced without decomb being defined, so that could cause script errors in all the extra scripts.

[puddy]

jdobbs,

With all do respect, I must agree. This is not an
avisynth error screen. I've gotten those before too.

I can post other examples that are not that "red
and black" look. Seriously...

I am away for the weekend so I can post it to prove
it to you, but I'd bet my life this is not an
avisynth error message.

Thanks again jdobbs...

puddy

[jdobbs]

Alright, you don't need to send it. I concede.

I guess I need to take a look at this bug now, don't I? ;)

[jdobbs]

Have you tried this with a newer version? I made a bug fix to version .036 that corrected a 16:9 flag in the IFO file.

ADDED LATER: Wait! I forgot -- I just fixed a bug associated with this in 0.40, (it seemed like a long time ago, I'm really getting burned out) heres the text:

- Fixed an error associated with Half-D1 that caused the .ECL files to to not correctly reflect the horizontal resolution as selected in the Half-D1 menu.

WHAT WAS I THINKING? :scared:

Thx.

[puddy]

I'll try that as soon as I get back on Sunday. Thanks man!

puddy

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by puddy
I'll try that as soon as I get back on Sunday. Thanks man!

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