backup has artifacts galore and sounds horrible [Archive]

kraven morehead

2nd April 2004, 17:02

Ok, maybe you guys can shed some light on this for me.
I have backed up alot of my dvd collection. yesterday i decided to watch
one of my backups, and i got about an hour in, artifacts galore and sound was off horrible, almost like a bad bad scratch. then the movie just froze. i tried to go to the menu and jump back to the exact chapter and it would just mess up again. then lock up the dvd player. I am really freaked out as what if most of my backups are like this? I tried the movie on a another dvd player and while it didnt mess up in the "exact" spot as the 1st dvd player, it messed up right around there plus or minus 15 seconds. Now, i am using 4x ritek g04 media, and a liteon 4x dvd-rw drive to burn. this particular movie i used dvd shrink, i forget the exact version, i know that its about 2 releases back. I did the full movie, but comperssed certain things, and cut out audio streams. I did not do the re-author mode. I burn at 4x as well. I mostly use dvd-shrink for episode-based movies like sopranos etc. those seem to be fine but i have no idea. I have backed up like 75 of my favorite movies that i own. so id hate to go back and find they dont work.. obviously i never watched all the backups all the way through, as i own the originals..
my main software of choice is pinnacle instant copy 8, and i have backed up the most with this.
has anyone else had this problem? id blame it on the software if i had to as both my dvd players arent picky with media . i have a panasonic xp-30 and a pioneer as well.
thanks in advance!

nwg

2nd April 2004, 17:41

I don't burn faster than 2x or 2.4x. I have seen those problems when burning faster.

What version of Shrink are you using. There was a manjor pixellating problem prior to 3.1.6. It only affected some players. I have never had a problem with Shrink since the first one.

kraven morehead

2nd April 2004, 18:31

i should get the latest version..
man this is bad news....its just you dont watch every move you backup the second its done ya know?

idbirch2

2nd April 2004, 21:47

Now, i am using 4x ritek g04 media

There's your problem. Budget media (if it burns OK to start with) will eventually suffer DVD 'rot' because they are, for want of a better word, rubbish. You will find that all you backups made around the same time (if they're all on those discs) will be the same. One other possible cause is labels - are you using sticky labels? I found that even on quality discs like Verbatims, sticky labels cause playback problems.

I have seen those problems when burning faster.

Burning speed (as long as the discs are of good quality and are certified at that speed) has absolutely no bearing on playback quality.

There's really no excuse nowadays for using cheap discs. You can buy 4x, printable Verbatim DVD-Rs for 99p each at present and thats the 'genuine' MCC discs rather than the slightly inferior CMC discs. With blank media you get what you pay for. Cue the Ritek clan having a go at me about how Riteks are just as good as TDK, Verbatim, Apple etc........

MictXP

2nd April 2004, 22:05

Originally posted by idbirch2
Cue the Ritek clan having a go at me about how Riteks are just as good as TDK, Verbatim, Apple etc........

Well, I hate to be the first one just to prove you right, but I think Ritek is a quality name brand. In fact, doesn't Ritek sometimes produce media for TDK and Verbatim?? Little facts like that really through off the Ritek clan, making us think Ritek is just as good as those other names. What are we to do?? Anyway, everyone over at dvdrhelp.com also seems to think that Ritek are nice media. Who knows -- maybe they're all wrong.

Originally posted by idbirch2
Burning speed (as long as the discs are of good quality and are certified at that speed) has absolutely no bearing on playback quality.

Now you're absolutely right here. It doesn't make sense that burning faster causes more problems. Once I get a 16x burner, I'll burn at 16x all the time. For now, however, if I burn at 4x (NEC 1300A w/latest firmware, Ritek G04 and other media), my movie will have problems. If I burn at 2x, the movie doesn't. So I burn at slower speeds. But believe me, I'm a firm believer in burning as fast as possible.

X5-452

2nd April 2004, 22:10

Well, I hate to be the first one just to prove you right, but I think Ritek is a quality name brand. In fact, doesn't Ritek sometimes produce media for TDK and Verbatim?? Little facts like that really through off the Ritek clan, making us think Ritek is just as good as those other names. What are we to do?? Anyway, everyone over at dvdrhelp.com also seems to think that Ritek are nice media. Who knows -- maybe they're all wrong.

Not all ritek g04 are quality media unfortunately. It's probably a media problem after all.

Check this out:
http://www.dvd-recordable.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=76

nwg

2nd April 2004, 22:13

Ritek is certainly not bad media.

If you want bad media look at Princo or Bulpaq. You would be lucky if the player will read them in 3 months time.

I personally like JVC -R's the best.

nwg

2nd April 2004, 22:35

Check this out:

That is very surprising.

I only used Traxdata or Datasafe Riteks anyway as I am vey fussy.

kraven morehead

2nd April 2004, 23:36

well this is kind of strange, but the ones i have now are labeled.
this is the first batch with labels i have ever bought.
maybe this is something to look into....
ok i looked at that link, i am using ritek grade a for sure. these are straight from ritek, off newegg.com, and they come wrapped in the ritek plastic on the spindle.

wmansir

3rd April 2004, 08:45

9) Use a title that describes the content of your post. Don't use all caps or special characters to draw attention.

2COOL

3rd April 2004, 09:31

I concur. Please review and :readrule:.

MictXP

3rd April 2004, 10:52

Why didn't I concur :confused:

idbirch2

3rd April 2004, 14:26

Why didn't I concur

I think they are referring to kraven morehead not adhering to the rules. A thread title of "Arrhrrhrhrhrhgh!!!!!" doesn't exactly describe the content or subject of the thread.

MictXP

3rd April 2004, 19:05

I think I was referring to a movie :D

kraven morehead

3rd April 2004, 21:02

Yeah god forbid I title it,
dvd-r freezes up, and it sinks to the bottom of the forum with no replies. im not saying I always title my posts like this, or that I dont respect the rules, but seriously I cant stand it when people have nothing to say but something condescending in a thread, it makes you just as bad by posting and not helping, as me titleing a thread that has nothing to do with my situation. Please dont take this as a pesonal thing, its not. I just find it hypocritcal.
Ill adhere to the rules from now on as I actually like this forum, and find it very helpful.

Kedirekin

3rd April 2004, 22:47

I agree - it's better to just help and answer questions. To me, Arrhrrhrhrhrhgh!!!!! seems like an appropriate title considering the topic (Arrhrrhrhrhrhgh!!!!! Are All My Disks Bad?).

I re-read your post and it certainly sounds like a media thing [BTW: you might want to use white space to break up long posts. Solid posts with no line breaks are harder to read]. I know you're burning to Ritek media, and many people claim Ritek is good media, but still the problem you describe sounds like bad media.

Have you tried playing the error-prone DVD back on your PC? Does it fail there as well? If not, it sounds even more like a media thing; your two players don't like your Riteks. But the good news would be that you can save your hard work. Just buy media your player likes better and copy your riteks to them (as you need them, to defray the cost) - then you'd have two backups; a playable and an arkive.

If they don't play back on your PC, consider it a lesson learned. Get media you can trust, and get in the habit of watching every movie you back up. I typically don't do a backup till I'm ready to watch the movie again, so I almost always watch my backups all the way through.

wmansir

3rd April 2004, 23:08

Originally posted by kraven morehead
Yeah god forbid I title it,
dvd-r freezes up, and it sinks to the bottom of the forum with no replies. im not saying I always title my posts like this, or that I dont respect the rules, but seriously I cant stand it when people have nothing to say but something condescending in a thread, it makes you just as bad by posting and not helping, as me titleing a thread that has nothing to do with my situation. Please dont take this as a pesonal thing, its not. I just find it hypocritcal.
Ill adhere to the rules from now on as I actually like this forum, and find it very helpful.

How many people wasted there time looking at this thread? More importantly, how many people looking for a solution to the same problem as you are going to skip this thread when they search for an answer because the title isn't descriptive of the problem? How useful would this forum be if every title was "HELP ME! HELP ME!!!!!"?

There is a reason for the rule. By making you aware of the rule I was helping you, and the forum, more than by just answering your question. Because hopefully from now on you will help build the forum, and keep it easy to use, and easy to find information.

kraven morehead

5th April 2004, 07:50

well i respect your opinion,

I certainly dont want this to get ugly, but helpful.

Update , all the movies I did with dvd shrink do this, at the end of any movie. after chatting with a friend, he has the same problem with 2 different types of media , labled or unlabled. I am going to do a movie with the same media (ritek labled dvd -r) and use IC8 this time and see.

I will post back with the results, and for my friend, he was using the latest version of dvd shrink as well. I reall believe this is an issue with the software and not the media, but it does work for alot of people around here as well. on the other hand, pirates of the carribean on a non labled dvd - r worked fine. This is very strange indeed. all i can do is try the IC8. both my friend and I do have panasonic dvd players.

dave88

5th April 2004, 09:14

Originally posted by idbirch2
Burning speed (as long as the discs are of good quality and are certified at that speed) has absolutely no bearing on playback quality.

Wow! thats a pretty strong statement.

You are right quality of media is key, though price, name brand does not always mean quality.

Burner quality also varys quite a bit, especially now as we are seeing really cheap burners.

Different standalone units have varying abilities to read different medias burnt at different speeds.

To say burning speed "has absolutely no bearing on playback quality" is inaccurate IMHO.

cpurs

5th April 2004, 11:32

OK, i burn A LOT of DVD-R
i get 1,000 at a time,
SPEED does affect burn quality
starting with my 2nd spindle of my most recent batch of incoming blank dvd-r,,
all of a sudden at 70 to 75 min into playback get pixles aplenty then lockup of dvdplayer
FREAKY ,, NOT USED TO bad MEDIA,,
SPAZZED OUT AT FIRST,, DELETED all proggies i was using and
re-installed all my burning programs,,
same errors
so i burned at 2x instead of 4x,, and sure enuff FEWER ERRORS !!
SO SLOWER SPEED DOES give better results with cheapo media
so here i am with a pile of [[ 20 spindles of 50 ]] cheapo dvd-r disks
solution pick out number 17 and 34 out of 50 of each spindle, BURN EM then test em 2 see if its a bad run of dvd-r

BUT WHAT TEST ???
time is money,,
=> use nero cdspeed for a error scan takes time, boring !!
=> MY solution, i have a toshiba dvd player ,, use 5x fast forward to view entire movie - 1 min is 1 sec ,, so 60 min is 60 sec
thus watch entire movie at 5x fast forward speed, if error level is moderate to high the player will freeze, thus bad disk ,,,
this is a very fast way 2 test your burns, any other ideas ?? :confused: :confused:
its gotta be fast,, nero cdspeed error scan takes way 2 long !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :scared:

lab-one

5th April 2004, 15:31

@cpurs

...what do you do with 1000+ dvd's?

Joergen

5th April 2004, 18:59

1) I ALWAYS test my DVD-R burns with nero cd-speed and a Liteon 16X Drive. Not only does this show you if the disc is bad and comes out with a CRC at the end, but also if it has slight defects that hurt the curve anywhere along the disc that might cause pixels on standalones with poor reading abilities.

I learnt it the hard way when I bought some early G01 Ritek's and Bulkpaq's and almost none of them worked. I was used to burning CD-R and never verifying them cause it wasnt necessary, but with DVD-R it IS NECESSARY TO TEST!

But in the last 50 ritek G04 I've burnt only one had problems so you could say all the time gone to testing the discs is wasted but its not, PEACE OF MIND is worth something too.

2) And I always burn at max 2X cause like said above, speed is quality. Its the same with CD-R .. although the newer silver dye helps for higher speeds (where the old green dye couldnt handle much more than 16x).

3) I ALWAYS check underneath the dvd-r for dust and smudges and wipe them clean or blow it clean. If light doesnt go through a flake on the dataside of the disc, neither does the laser that needs to write through it. Of course this doesnt always work that way but any shadow left on the dye from particles is a potential read error.

geffroman

6th April 2004, 04:30

Originally posted by kraven morehead
it messed up right around there plus or minus 15 seconds. Now, i am using 4x ritek g04 media,

You have a bad disc... If other movies do the same thing than buy better media... you bought a budget DVD Burner and budget media... issues will occur.

Originally posted by Joergen
And I always burn at max 2X cause like said above, speed is quality. Its the same with CD-R .. although the newer silver dye helps for higher speeds (where the old green dye couldnt handle much more than 16x).

Joergen is burning at 2x so he can make his Riteks work well... That is one solution but it doesn't mean the Riteks are burning properly, just that you can MAKE them work... You can burn at 1x and make Princo work too... but why would you... If you buy $0.69 or $0.79 media to save a dime you will have more problems...

I use Sony or Pioneer burners and good media at $0.89 each... NEVER Ritek... and I always burn at 4x... I get a bad disc 1 out of 200 at most...

Also make sure you are running Win2000 or XP on NTFS Hard Drive and defrag OFTEN... do not run other programs while burning disc and Virus Scanning off...

Joergen

6th April 2004, 04:58

I (and most others) find Ritek-dye discs the best out there, anything else just tends to crap out completely. Ritek has gotten worse recently though. But many people say it's either Ritek, or buy some higher cost brand name discs like TDK and Verbatim.

And the quality of the burner used is rarely discussed in DVD-burning for some reason even though its clear that brands like sony and plextor have always had the best CD-R burners when it comes to quality writes.

Would you like to share the magic disc make/dye you are using?

idbirch2

6th April 2004, 14:53

To say burning speed "has absolutely no bearing on playback quality" is inaccurate IMHO

The statement is made under the assumption that you have a decent burner, good quality discs and a good standalone DVD player. If all these criteria are met you can burn as fast as you like with no degredation in quality. That is not opinion but fact. I don't know how many different ways I can say this but 'you get what you pay for' whether its discs, drives or players. If you skimp on any of these and you get bad results - tough! You should be expecting it when you buy cheap tat.

kraven morehead

6th April 2004, 15:08

well,
these are all very good points, and there are a few factors that you guys have mentioned that make sense so thanks.
1. all and i mean every ritek dvd-r WITH THE LABLE ON THE TOP 4x media I have burned to FAILS. I'm only half way through the spindle, and I'm grateful thats all, it could have been worse. I am going to finish my test by using IC8 to verify that it isnt software related tonight, i will continue to burn at 4x, as my other balnk media in the past was all ritek g04 UNLABLED. these all play fine with no errors. The main reason i used ritek in the first place was that it was highly reccomended, and secondly, the liteon manual reccomended these as well, so i got them based on that.
2. A good point was mentioned in the fact that one thing I had done right around the time of switching to the labled dvd -r media was installed Norton AntiVirus Corp. edition. This is a new element in testing that I hadnt thought of, and I will also experiment with this as well to see if that might play a role in it.
3. Lastly I will try to burn at 2x just to see if it does help.
I have never had to do this in the past, and I feel Liteon has always been good for the money. The model I have has gotten numberous editor awards blah blah etc.

thanks for all you help.

Dezoris

6th April 2004, 16:35

Originally posted by wmansir
How many people wasted there time looking at this thread? More importantly, how many people looking for a solution to the same problem as you are going to skip this thread when they search for an answer because the title isn't descriptive of the problem? How useful would this forum be if every title was "HELP ME! HELP ME!!!!!"?

There is a reason for the rule. By making you aware of the rule I was helping you, and the forum, more than by just answering your question. Because hopefully from now on you will help build the forum, and keep it easy to use, and easy to find information.

Kraven NAV was not installed on this machine I had issues with, just so you know.

The search function is not that elementary that it searches titles only, it searches context of the post. People dont sift through pages of post titles to find info, they search.

Get over it and post content.

Why dont you do a search for "rules" and see how many posts have you guys quoting them, you should make a forum fo just people quoting them so I can search that.

I have the same problem with DVD shrink using Imation 4x DVD+R on Lite-On 812 Burner, after the menus the movie will get pixelated, and will freeze playing on DVD XP50. It wont even play past the menus on the Computer.

When I tried Ricoh 8x DVD+R Media the same issue occured the same way.

So lets hear how every media is bad.
The burn speed debate is old, I had it all the time with CDRs.

You can analyze your disks before and after burn for errors, and if the media is certified, and your system is up to speed the amount of errors on low speed vs. high are identical, there is enough diagnostic software out there to tell you that.

This seems like a shrink issue to me.
Not every movie you do that comes out bad on multiple media is bad media.

Dezoris

6th April 2004, 18:35

In addition the 8x Ricoh and 4x Imation worked flawlessly when using DVDXCOPY Plat.

But both failed when using DVD shrink with Nero.

geffroman

6th April 2004, 21:20

Originally posted by Joergen
Would you like to share the magic disc make/dye you are using? Sorry I should have mentioned... I use the BeAll product by Samsung... The have had to pass many stability tests to become one the number one choices of US Government... It plays well into stability...

Originally posted by kraven morehead
IC8 to verify that it isnt software related tonight, i will continue to burn at 4x, as my other balnk media in the past was all ritek g04 UNLABLED.

A good point was mentioned in the fact that one thing I had done right around the time of switching to the labled dvd -r media was installed Norton AntiVirus Corp. edition. Slowing down burns when having issues with media does help... If I had a batch of troubled disks thats what I would do...

IC8 is far more buggie in processing data than Shrink... so that as a solution may not really be one...
Originally posted by Dezoris
Get over it and post content.

Why dont you do a search for "rules" and see how many posts have you guys quoting them, you should make a forum fo just people quoting them so I can search that.

So lets hear how every media is bad.
The burn speed debate is old, I had it all the time with CDRs. Kraven should simply go back and change the Title of his first post so that more smart people will know what this thread is about and be helpful... You don't need to be so nasty !

I only came in here to see what bone head posted such a silly title cause I was bored... But then I thought I might be able to offer a little help...

Originally posted by Dezoris
In addition the 8x Ricoh and 4x Imation worked flawlessly when using DVDXCOPY Plat.

But both failed when using DVD shrink with Nero. Shrink has nothing to do with burning... It only starts Nero... So I'd look elsewhere... It would appear to me that Dezoris' NERO installation is the issue for him/her... If you install DVDeXCOPY after Nero that alone could do it... Installing IC8 after Nero can cause issues to... Nero must be installed last...

Why the heck Dezois would suggest DVDeXCOPY as a good comparative solution when they no longer can even sell their full product and they have always added copy protection to your finished disc is strange. If they were the last solution out there I would not use them...

I see some opinion here but not much helpful in the post... IMHO

PS - Why don't you fix your signature file or delete it to save space if you aren't going to display it...

Joergen

6th April 2004, 23:30

I've read good things about the beall dye dvd-r. Too bad I cant find a single place in the EU that sells it.

And Ritek is now rumoured to ship C and D grade discs into europe (by all practical consumer laws thats illegal business the minute they enter the EU) and sell them as "grade A".

So if you find a *new* Ritek product with a new label design or other fanciness, it might not be worth the plastic it was printed on.

dave88

7th April 2004, 03:10

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To say burning speed "has absolutely no bearing on playback quality" is inaccurate IMHO
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Originally posted by idbirch2
The statement is made under the assumption that you have a decent burner, good quality discs and a good standalone DVD player. If all these criteria are met you can burn as fast as you like with no degredation in quality. That is not opinion but fact. I don't know how many different ways I can say this but 'you get what you pay for' whether its discs, drives or players. If you skimp on any of these and you get bad results - tough! You should be expecting it when you buy cheap tat.

I believe you are right that digitally there is no difference, but physically there is a difference. There is an physical element to using lasers to store information.

A faster burn speed often does make a difference, resulting in a disk that may play perfectly on better standalone units, but not in other standalones that will play disks burnt at a slower speed. You may say, well get a better standalone then. Good that'll work, but to say there is no difference is wrong.

idbirch2

7th April 2004, 03:24

There is an physical element to using lasers to store information
Well spotted(!)

A faster burn speed often does make a difference, resulting in a disk that may play perfectly on better standalone units, but not in other standalones that will play disks burnt at a slower speed. You may say, well get a better standalone then. Good that'll work, but to say there is no difference is wrong.

You have made use of your quote of my post incorrectly. The situation you suggest would be a case of poor media or drive. As long as your burner and discs are of high quality the error rate on a disc burnt at 4x will be no higher than one burnt at 2x. Therefore if the player will accept a disc burnt at 2x but not at 4x its rubbish discs/burner to blame as with good discs/burners there is no difference. And when I say error rate I am referring to physical imperfection on the disc due to speed of burning.

dave88

7th April 2004, 03:51

I still contend burning speed often does make a difference.

geffroman

7th April 2004, 03:56

Originally posted by dave88
A faster burn speed often does make a difference, resulting in a disk that may play perfectly on better standalone units, but not in other standalones that will play disks burnt at a slower speed. You may say, well get a better standalone then. Good that'll work, but to say there is no difference is wrong.

And then there is the phrase BETTER STANDALONE... Is a $900 Sony machine NOT Better because it won't tolerate buggy media and displays an ERROR... or is the $49 APEX the better machine because it will attempt to read anything you feed it while it skips and drop pixels along the way but keeps on playing...?

I guess I am suggesting that because a stand alone will PLAY a questionable disc does not always mean it is the better machine.

Originally posted by dave88
I still contend burning speed often does make a difference. I think everyone agrees with you... but less burning speed is a compensation for crap media... Buying cheap media and burning slowly will offer a better result than buying cheap media and burning at it's top rated speed.

Buy quality media and burner and this issue goes away !

dave88

7th April 2004, 04:11

Originally posted by geffroman
And then there is the phrase BETTER STANDALONE... Is a $900 Sony machine NOT Better because it won't tolerate buggy media and displays an ERROR... or is the $49 APEX the better machine because it will attempt to read anything you feed it while it skips and drop pixels along the way but keeps on playing...?

I guess I am suggesting that because a stand alone will PLAY a questionable disc does not always mean it is the better machine.

Agreed, More expensive definately does not necesarily mean better, to me a BETTER STANDALONE is one that handles the most formats and qualitys with no issues at all.

If I want a disk to work in more of my friends finnicky players. I have to use DVD-R and burn slower.

I am not saying I never burn faster, I just think it's misleading to say that it makes no difference at all.

kraven morehead

7th April 2004, 04:15

Well the results are in. for this test I burned the movie private parts,
which failed when i used dvd decrypter (it was even under the 4.7g limit so all i had to do was a iso read to hd then a burn from hd)
I used IC8 and doing the normal backup option transcoded it (all at 100%) to an image file and burned it. The movie plays flawlessly the whole way through without so much as an artifact. This leads me to believe its possibly a size issue, however every program i use tells you if you are going over the size limit. I dont know why the dvd decrypter method failed. the size when making an iso with that was roughly 4.6g, and it never complained about size before transcoding or before burning. Same with dvd shrink. I dont believe the problem to be media quality at this point.
Norton was running the whole time, so im ruling that out.
And as for burn speed IC8 burned it at 4x so I think im ruling that out as well.
Now I know Instant copy is known for undersizing movies, im wondering if that has something to do with it. tell me what you guys think.

geffroman

7th April 2004, 04:23

Originally posted by dave88
Agreed, More expensive definately does not necesarily mean better, to me a BETTER STANDALONE is one that handles the most formats and qualitys with no issues at all.

If I want a disk to work in more of my friends finnicky players. I have to use DVD-R and burn slower.

I am not saying I never burn faster, I just think it's misleading to say that it makes no difference at all. I think you mistook my meaning... I don't think the cheap machine that plays marginal media is the better solution... I think a quality disc burnt with a quality burner played on a quality DVD Stand alone is the BETTER solution.

But I am not everyone. And lot's of Everyones want cheap media and $49 machines that will play downloaded SVCDs and back-ups burnt on $99 DVD burners. So for the purpose of this thread and the trouble the author was having I am just trying to point out to REAL solution is media and burners that burn to their SPECIFICATION...

If however, people make the choice to save money as a first priority then run the burner at 1x or 2x and hope for the best. and by all means don't waste good money on an expensive stand alone that will refuse to play the disc. Instead pick up an Apex at Walmart.

No one is wrong in their choice. But this forum attracts those that want an amazing, quality DVD experience with out the hassle of FB-eye warning, previews and redundant studio logos... We buy our movies and then pay extra make quality back-ups... for us the money is not the motivation... Then there are obviously those that have a Netflix account... I stop there...

cpurs

7th April 2004, 06:53

HERE IS WHAT I FOUND IN AD FOR BeALL

"BeAll DVD-R has several advantages over other 4X DVD-R media:

1. Guaranteed maximum burning speed with all DVD burners. Stable 4x burning
speed with 4x burners and 2x with all 2x burners.
2. Amazing compatibility. It works with all DVD-R burners and most DVD
players ( including PS2 and Xbox) in market.
3. The highest longevity. It can store your precious video and data
information for 100 years or more.
4. Maximum data recording size is possible in this media. "

and its 89 cents each, if buying 500 or MORE of em

well, i'm gonna try 500, so tired of KRAPPY MEDIA, ARE YOU ???

MY COST $445 FOR 500 AND FREE SHIPPING

anyone else know where 2 get these cheaper ???
now i gotta dump a pile of the cheapos i got stuck with, OH the PAIN !

it just is NOT worth the hassle of cheap media,, sooo many HORROR storys out there,,,

and if there is some truth to this =>

"Used by several government organizations like NASA, SEC, FAA etc due to dependable, no-compromise level of quality"

oh, i found it at http://www.meritline.com/beall-4x-dvd-r-blank-media-dvdr-discs-disc-bulk.html

Dezoris

7th April 2004, 14:22

Originally posted by geffroman

Why the heck Dezois would suggest DVDeXCOPY as a good comparative solution when they no longer can even sell their full product and they have always added copy protection to your finished disc is strange. If they were the last solution out there I would not use them...

I see some opinion here but not much helpful in the post... IMHO

PS - Why don't you fix your signature file or delete it to save space if you aren't going to display it...

DVDXCopy is supported, and it is stable, so if I am having a problem with a movie in shrink I can go to xcopy and see if I have a similar problem burning a disk, to rule out if it is the media, burner, or movie.

Copy protection is nothing, regardless burning copies of copies is something that does not work for many people and I dont do it anyway

I tried one last think last night, I had Ritek R03 8x Media, it would burn fine no errors in xcopy and nero after using shrink.
Although the DVDXCOPY came out fine and the Nero version was unplayable.

I did the same movie same way with Imation 4x disks (which were made by RICOHJPN) and both came out flawless.

I did the firmware upgrade on the Lite-On 812S that came out 4/02 and tried the same thing again with the Ritek 8x this time XCopy choked and sat in the finalizing stage until I rebooted and it burned a so deep into the dye you could see it from the other side on one spot.
Nero burned it at 8x but the copy would not play in standalone or PC.

So I will eat my words I think it is the Ritek disks, however I thing there are bugs in shrink, because my 4x disks had artifacts and freeze ups on two movies before the firmware upgrade.

I will keep an eye.

PS. I dont come around here enough because, of uptight people like you geffroman. I have been in forums long enough to ignore babies like you who like to take a good forum and use rules as a way of making drama. Well here is your drama, baby. And enjoy my redx sig because I like it.

Deadeye

7th April 2004, 14:24

use 5x fast forward to view entire movie - 1 min is 1 sec ,, so 60 min is 60 sec

Wow! Your Toshiba must be some player. Most players only show 5X at 5X speeds instead of 60X.

kraven morehead

7th April 2004, 14:44

well i guess i wont rule out that it is media still.
I think the fact that i used IC8, and the fact that it actually transcoded the movie some, is the only reason it burned right.
the media I have does play fine, but none of this happened until i got the labled ritek g04 media.
as for my standalone i have a panasonic xp-30 and it is probably one of the best dvd players made (next to the xp-50 which has dvd-a support)
This player produces a better picture then $8,000 players and is very very desirable. do a search on avsforum and see for yourself if you think this is some cheap wal-mart player. Panasonic themselves discontinued this model once they realized how much they were giving at such a low cost. The decoding chip in this thing is top-notch.

geffroman

8th April 2004, 02:45

Originally posted by Dezoris
PS. I dont come around here enough because, of uptight people like you geffroman. I have been in forums long enough to ignore babies like you who like to take a good forum and use rules as a way of making drama. I didn't quote the rules... that was someone else. I just been trying to help the guy with media information. I am guilty of suggesting if he changed his Title that more folks might join this thread to help. But if you read back it was WMANSIR that you picked a fight with over rules, not me.

Originally posted by kraven morehead
This player produces a better picture then $8,000 players and is very very desirable. do a search on avsforum and see for yourself if you think this is some cheap wal-mart player. Sorry... You missed my point too... The cheap Walmart player will more likely PLAY the crap media than a good player. Good players tend to hold the media to the standard or show an error code. Apex as an example will play through just about the worst disc you can burn. I don't think that makes it the better player though. I prefer good media on a good player. If people wanna use cheap media OR cheap players that's everbody's choice. But cheap media on a GOOD player is the last thing you want.

I have offered a lot of good advise on what the problem is and was in this thread. I also made a point of saying that "No one is wrong in their choice". So here's hoping I can get out of here without being attacked further for helping.

MictXP

8th April 2004, 04:25

Originally posted by geffroman
But cheap media on a GOOD player is the last thing you want.

This goes back to psychological theory -- specifically, relational dialectic theory. Baxter (1993) focuses a lot on it. This was originally used to describe people in terms of conflicting desires -- autonomy vs. connection (or wanting to be reliant on someone and wanting to be independent), predictability vs. novelty (wanting routine vs. wanting spontaneity), and openness vs. closedness (wanting to reveal information vs. wanting to keep it secret). People often try to be both of any given dialectic, which causes a lot of problems, both for the person themselves and for the relationships that that person is in. This dialectic battle can be seen when people appear to have split personalities, being close with a person one moment, then being distant the next.

A new theory is now developed based on Baxter's work! Geffroman (2004) states that, when burning DVDs (or probably anything requiring recurring costs), people have a battle between wanting to be cheap vs. getting quality. This battle manifests itself by people buying quality DVD players, then buying cheap DVD media. Unfortunately, just as in Baxter's theory, this causes problems. These problems are seen in DVD sputtering, pixilation, even DVD movies stopping all together.

To solve these problems, according to Geffroman, try to stay on one side of the dialectic -- either be cheap or be quality based. I believe it. Cheers to Geffroman for developing new grounds in psychological theory!

(This is written with just a hint of sarcasm, but I'm serious in agreeing with Geffroman :))

Sounddude

8th April 2004, 10:43

NEC + Ritek G04 media = bad burns by most people. CDFreaks NEC forum is full of posts about Ritek G04 media not being able to be burned or if it does there's lots of errors.

kraven morehead

8th April 2004, 14:37

well I suppose
geffroman that i did miss your point. I much rather have quality then cheapness. I just always thought riteks were good stuff. now i tried burning private parts again using dvd-shrink and guess what? the movie freezes in the exact spot. It froze in the exact same spot as when i burned it using only dvd decrypter. This has to be a media issue, and now i would like to ask you guys what a good quality media is, and the best place to get it cheap is. Note im not trying to get the cheapest stuff but a good deal. What I still dont understand is why when i transcoded the movie i.e made it a bit smaller in the process of transcoding did the movie work out just fine on the same media? It must be a size issue like i said earlier.

lab-one

8th April 2004, 14:47

If you are in the states and have access to a Sam's Club, you can get spindles of Verbatim for just under $50 (DVD-R 25 count, DVD+r 30 count). Wal-mart also carries 25 count spindles of maxell for around $35. I personally like the verbatim...

DirtyRobotFeet

8th April 2004, 17:22

The price of the Verbatims has dropped at Sam's. A couple of weeks ago, I bought a spindle of +Rs (30) for about $35.

lab-one

8th April 2004, 17:49

@DirtyRobotFeet

The price of the Verbatims has dropped at Sam's. A couple of weeks ago, I bought a spindle of +Rs (30) for about $35.

Good to know. My Sam's card expired and I haven't been out to renew it....or spend the $35 to renew it. I haven't bought the Maxell from Wal-Mart but it looked like a good price, 25 DVD+R - $38.00.

idbirch2

8th April 2004, 18:44

@kraven morehead

It really depends where you are. The only advice I can give is if you are in the UK check out www.blankdiscshop.co.uk. They currently do 4x printable Verbatims (MCC coded aswell rather than the slightly inferior CMC spindled Verbs) for 99p each.

All depends where you are though! I don't think anyone will disagree when I say you can't go wrong with Verbatims.

geffroman

9th April 2004, 05:57

Originally posted by kraven morehead
well I suppose
geffroman that i did miss your point. I much rather have quality then cheapness. I just always thought riteks were good stuff. now i tried burning private parts again using dvd-shrink and guess what? the movie freezes in the exact spot. It froze in the exact same spot as when i burned it using only dvd decrypter. This has to be a media issue, and now i would like to ask you guys what a good quality media is, and the best place to get it cheap is. Note im not trying to get the cheapest stuff but a good deal. What I still dont understand is why when i transcoded the movie i.e made it a bit smaller in the process of transcoding did the movie work out just fine on the same media? It must be a size issue like i said earlier. I can't recommend enough the BeAll product I use personally. We also use this media exclusively to provide total system back ups with every PC we sell or repair. BeAll is a subsidiary of Samsung. It is on the short list of approved DVD Media used by many US Gov agencies. You can buy it NOW for an additional 10% off regular price at our supplier. Sale ends on April 11. You will even get free shipping in the USA. You can find it through our website (http://posunplugged.com/media_index.html).

I hesitate to offer this info as I don't want to look greedy. We do receive a very small referral fee for directing you there. But it cost's you nothing. We just decided it was better to make a few pennies on referrals rather than stock the media and ship it ourselves like we used to. So if you appreciate some of our free services, click throughs are always appreciated.

Hope that helps.

Oh ya... I forgot... They come with a 100% Satifaction 60 Day Money Back Return Policy !
...and there is NO raised ring around the center so you can use FULL COVERAGE labels !

kraven morehead

9th April 2004, 07:16

that looks like a pretty good deal there.
Ill have to see if i can scrounge up the cash and try them out.
Thanks for the link.

kraven morehead

16th April 2004, 19:15

Ok,
I picked up some verbatim dvd-rs as i was at sams club. these are made by cmc , mitusbishi chemicals.
Installed the latest version of dvd shrink, and get all the way to the burning stage, nero craps out at the end with errors.
I install nero 6.0 same thing happens. I just know this has to be a problem with nero as even when i make an image with it using the image recorder option in shrink, it burns fine but craps at the end like originally. I suppose I can try yet another version of nero 6 and then upgrade my burners firmware. Also I plan on using force ASPI to try to fix this. I hope to have a resolution soon.

kraven morehead

16th April 2004, 19:22

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/80541

seems they are thinking its a overwiting issue with dvd shrink and nero.
I might try to uninstall-reinstall everything again and start from scratch.

geffroman

17th April 2004, 05:14

Originally posted by kraven morehead
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/80541

seems they are thinking its a overwiting issue with dvd shrink and nero.
I might try to uninstall-reinstall everything again and start from scratch. Now that Shrink supports writing to ISP with DVDDecryptor I am thrilled... NO MORE Nero burns for me...

geffroman

17th April 2004, 05:15

Originally posted by geffroman
I can't recommend enough the BeAll product I use personally. We also use this media exclusively to provide total system back ups with every PC we sell or repair. BeAll is a subsidiary of Samsung. It is on the short list of approved DVD Media used by many US Gov agencies. You can buy it NOW for an additional 10% off regular price at our supplier. Sale ends on April 11. You will even get free shipping in the USA. You can find it through our website (http://posunplugged.com/media_index.html).

I hesitate to offer this info as I don't want to look greedy. We do receive a very small referral fee for directing you there. But it cost's you nothing. We just decided it was better to make a few pennies on referrals rather than stock the media and ship it ourselves like we used to. So if you appreciate some of our free services, click throughs are always appreciated.

Hope that helps.

Oh ya... I forgot... They come with a 100% Satifaction 60 Day Money Back Return Policy !
...and there is NO raised ring around the center so you can use FULL COVERAGE labels ! If you didn't catch the 10% off deal that's OK... they just started 15% off!

kraven morehead

18th April 2004, 07:25

well thats great news, as I really need to get those.
The verbatims are a little better as they really only mess up way towards the end of the disc. The riteks cant hold a burn as long, and that has been the problem. After setting a custom size in DVD shrink, i am able to push this problem further and further towards the end of the disc. I am now waitng for a burn to finish, but i set it back 100 mb of the standard, and i think this will work now for cheaper media. This is definatley a problem with my burner and player being picky about the media. I guess you really cant hold ritek to produce the same quality with every batch, and since my situation is sensitvie based on my hardware, i nees to get better quality, even the verbatims wont cut it. I think i just got very lucky with my first batch of riteks, plain and simple. I will definatly be trying out the BE-Alls, and hope for the best. BUt until then, just remember as a work around, Shrink is very good, since you can now choose a custom size for your final output size. although you will have to sacrifice a few % of quality since you are losing 100mb of space in my situation.

Dezoris

22nd April 2004, 07:50

Why are the Be-All DVD+Rs not on sale?

kraven morehead

23rd December 2004, 15:53

Well its been awhile,
but I have since moved my burner to a new machine, with a newer version of nero and the latest version of dvd shrink.
I tried using some quality verbatim and the movie crapped out at the end.
I know this is my standalone being picky, so I tried one BEALL disc and burned it at 4x. The movie I tried was dodgeball, and at the end (second to last chapter) instead of the picture going pixelated, the audio skipped for a second. However, the movie played the whole way through to the end. I wonder if I burn a movie at 2x or try upgrading my burners firmware will the issue finally go away for me. I know its the standalone because all the moves that mess up for me play on friends players. I wonder if I should try these be-alls as they allow 4.8g of storage.
http://www.meritline.com/beall-4x-dvd-r-media-4-85gb.html

dannyv

23rd December 2004, 18:29

Originally posted by kraven morehead
Well its been awhile,
but I have since moved my burner to a new machine, with a newer version of nero and the latest version of dvd shrink.
I tried using some quality verbatim and the movie crapped out at the end.
I know this is my standalone being picky, so I tried one BEALL disc and burned it at 4x. The movie I tried was dodgeball, and at the end (second to last chapter) instead of the picture going pixelated, the audio skipped for a second. However, the movie played the whole way through to the end. I wonder if I burn a movie at 2x or try upgrading my burners firmware will the issue finally go away for me. I know its the standalone because all the moves that mess up for me play on friends players. I wonder if I should try these be-alls as they allow 4.8g of storage.
http://www.meritline.com/beall-4x-dvd-r-media-4-85gb.html

Why don't you try Ritek GO4 media. I've used about 500 of them and they are very dependable. The coating to the edge is better then most.

http://www.shop4tech.com/user.htm?go=view_item&id=2483&cata=&s_cata=