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kbello
21st April 2004, 01:40
great job jdobbs, finally the stutter issues gone with 0.42 :D

quantum
21st April 2004, 01:50
Originally posted by Joergen
To titlesetblankers defence, I've used it on at least 15 discs that have been played on about 6 different players (Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony, Euroline) without problems :)

Vobblanker though can blank items inside a VOB too, so its more flexible. I don't see why a tmapti issue would matter on a blanked title. Personally I've found titlesetblanker rock solid on everything I've used, and I've used it a lot.

Wimpy
21st April 2004, 01:54
Hi,

Thanks to those of you who suggested VobBlanker and TitleSetBlanker, I can see that I will be making use of both to remove unwanted clutter from my ex-rental DVDs in order to boost what DVD-RB and QuEnc can do for me :-)

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 02:11
Originally posted by kbello
great job jdobbs, finally the stutter issues gone with 0.42 :D ;) On to other issues.

jhmac
21st April 2004, 04:12
I really hate to double post but I should have posted it here instead of new thread...

Convert LB 4:3 to 6:9
DVD-RB v.041
CCE Basic v2.67.01.19
Convert From LB 4:3 to 6:9


I tried this on "The Hunt For Red October" and although the movie did not need to be re-encoded it worked fine except the audio starts out fine but slowly as the movie progresses the audio gets out of sync the audio syncs up at each chapter point, but slowly gets out of sync again...

Thanks for all your hard work, and for an awesome program...

Xitrum
21st April 2004, 04:53
Hi Jdobbs,
If it's not too hard, could you please add in an option to have DVD-RB shutdown the computer when it completed all the tasks.

I often set DVD-RB running before I go to bed or work, it would be very useful if DVD-RB can shutdown my computer when it finished.

Thanks for the great tool.

gopalkk
21st April 2004, 06:12
DVD-RB gave me buffer overflow error at the end of
creating VOB files.

I tried to burn them in Nero 6 which complained
that "File size is not a multiple of logical block size (2KB)"
and says DVD-Video may not be playable, want to continue?

It seems to work well in WinDVD.

DVD-Shrink is unable to read these VOB files.

Is there a way to fix these files ?

TIA

gopalkk
21st April 2004, 06:14
I feel we should request Jdobbs to prioritize
making the tool accurate first than making
too many requests on making it all in one or
easy one click tool.

robw
21st April 2004, 06:27
Originally posted by Xitrum
Hi Jdobbs,
If it's not too hard, could you please add in an option to have DVD-RB shutdown the computer when it completed all the tasks.

I often set DVD-RB running before I go to bed or work, it would be very useful if DVD-RB can shutdown my computer when it finished.

Thanks for the great tool.

Why not use WINOFF? Its free and works like a champ. It monitors your CPU usage and when its idle for a user selected amount of time it can do a shutdown.

http://www.ampsoft.net/index.php?section=english/Utilities.php

Xitrum
21st April 2004, 07:59
Why not use WINOFF? Its free and works like a champ. It monitors your CPU usage and when its idle for a user selected amount of time it can do a shutdown.

Thanks for the info, I'll try it out tonight. :D

dave88
21st April 2004, 09:13
Sweet! no more 0004 error, on a disk that uses alot of stills. I just tried again with 042 and it worked great, you may have had it fixed in 041 (I missed that one) Nice Work jdobbs

Thanks, I guess it's about time to donate :D

RB
21st April 2004, 13:01
Sorry to bump this up, but I'd really like to know why it created so many segments... FYI, the entire VTS is interlaced frame pictures, nothing special.
Originally posted by RB
jdobbs, using v0.41 and considering the following VTS
Title Set (Movie) attributes:
Video: MPEG-2 720x576 (PAL) (PAL 625/50) (4:3) (not specified perm.display)
Audio 1: Not Specified (Dolby AC-3) 2ch 48Kbps DRC (ID: 0x80)

PGC_1 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 1] [00:01:41.20 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 1)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 1/ 1] : time: 00:01:41.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:41.10] [Frames: 2535]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 1/ 2] : time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:01:41.20] [Frames: 2545]

PGC_2 (program chain): [Title(TTN): 2] [00:02:19.23 / 25 fps] (Programs: 2) (Cells: 2) (uses VOB-IDs: 2)
[Ch 01] [Pg 01] [Cell 01] [V/C Id: 2/ 1] : time: 00:02:19.13 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:02:19.13] [Frames: 3488]
[Ch 02] [Pg 02] [Cell 02] [V/C Id: 2/ 2] : time: 00:00:00.10 / 25 fps [Pos: 00:02:19.23] [Frames: 3498]
what could cause DVD-RB to split this into 39 segments? The backup of this DVD worked just fine, there were no issues during the rebuild stage. Just wondering. Below is the D2V DVD-RB created for this VTS. I thought maybe you treated the single I-frames there as stills, but you do this only for the "real stills" here (V/C 1/2 and 2/2) and most AVS scripts are like this#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MONDMANN\REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(0,13)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MONDMANN\REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(14,26)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MONDMANN\REBUILDER\D2VAVS\V04.D2V")
trim(27,195)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) Here are the first few lines from the D2V:DVD2AVIProjectFile
1
52 E:\DVD2DVD-R\PROJECTS\MONDMANN\VIDEO_TS\VTS_04_1.VOB

Stream_Type=1,0,0
iDCT_Algorithm=2
YUVRGB_Scale=1
Luminance=128,0
Picture_Size=0,0,0,0,0,0
Field_Operation=0
Frame_Rate=25000
Location=0,0,0,12347

7 0 0 2 2 2 2
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7 0 B2A 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 C2A 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 F14 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 FCD 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 116A 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 122C 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 12F2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 140E 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 1550 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 162C 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 16F3 2
7 0 1723 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 1850 2 2 2
7 0 1891 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 1AF6 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 1C5E 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1D0A 2 2 2
7 0 1D3B 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1DBE 2 2 2
7 0 1DFC 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1EC2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 1F7F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 213E 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 2210 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 2371 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 2541 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 2697 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2762 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2838 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 28ED 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 29B6 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2A81 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2B3F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2C1F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2CBA 2 2 2
7 0 2CEA 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2DAC 2
7 0 2DE1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2E90 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 2F41 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 300B 2
7 0 303F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 30DA 2
7 0 310E 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 319E 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3267 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 332A 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 33F6 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 34C2 2
7 0 34EB 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3596 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 365A 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3722 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 37E1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 38B7 2
7 0 38D1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3981 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3A3B 2
7 0 3A7E 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3B0C 2
7 0 3B39 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3BD1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3CAF 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3D43 2 2 2
7 0 3D7B 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3E3A 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3ED6 2 2 2
7 0 3F07 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 3FBF 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 4088 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 4160 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 421F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 42F2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 43AD 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 4477 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 453F 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 4622 2
7 0 4637 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 46E5 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
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7 0 4872 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
7 0 4933 2

Djuby
21st April 2004, 14:54
Great job jdobbs,

I made a backup with 0.42 and the result was flawless, no stutter - just perfect. I was wandering, are you using the Robshot method for CCE encoding? And one more thing, I want to make a donation, how can I do that?

Djuby

saltrats
21st April 2004, 15:22
Great job!!!

I don't know if anyone has suggested this, but I'd love to see a "shutdown computer when finished" option when using the 1-click method. I know that I'm not the only one who starts DVDRebuilder before I leave for work, or before I go to bed...

I'm Getting ready to try v0.42. I have had the random video glitches, not just at chapter points, and LOTS OF TROUBLE with video glitches, jumping, jittery video, and sound dropouts with Spielbergs TAKEN series (which is a little bit of everything- progressive, interlaced, tff, bff...) Check these DVD's out... I have been trying to back up these dvd's since v0.18, and have seen measured improvement.. keep up the good work..

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 15:28
Originally posted by Djuby
Great job jdobbs,

I made a backup with 0.42 and the result was flawless, no stutter - just perfect. I was wandering, are you using the Robshot method for CCE encoding? And one more thing, I want to make a donation, how can I do that?

Djuby Open the program, go to the "About" dialog and push the "DONATE" button.... Thanks for asking!

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 15:41
@RB,

From looking at the D2V it appears there are a lot of places that were interpreted as stills because an I-FRAME is followed immediately by another I-FRAME (the lines with a single item on it). I guess the question is why the AVS files don't reflect that...

SAPSTAR
21st April 2004, 15:41
Originally posted by Joergen
jdobbs: Here's a wild and fancy suggestion :D

Since you're encoding in segments.. would it be possible to distribute the encoding of separate segments over the LAN. All I think you'd need is for the source path to be accessible to the LAN puters (easy) and a "reserve" and "completed" function for the batch file where the "client" computers would mark the section they're doing as reserved and then complete (so other cliends would know to skip to the next one).

If you'd really stretch it you could have the server computer create a "dvd-rb droplet" executable and stream the data to the clients, the clients would then only need the same version of CCE and avisynth installed but not need to setup the source path or work path.. or something. :cool:

Just think.. harnessing a few friends' computers in the dorm or computer lab: 15 minute npass CCE DVD-RB copy!

I had the same idea, and there is an "easy" way to do it. run the prepare on several boxes. Then edit the ENCODER.ECL file, remove some cells on one box, leave them on the other one....then run the encode on both boxes. Then copy the m2v from one to another and then rebuild.....

It works !!!!

I'm thinking about a small program to do the splitting tasks.....Maybe trough shared disks...

Wimpy
21st April 2004, 15:48
Hi,

As a result of a question I asked earlier in this thread I got directed to VobBlanker which is an excellent tool for removing content from VTS and PGC. The source is also available, any chance it could be added as a integral feature so that it woud,be possible to rebuild and 'strip' during the Rebuild phase instead of having to create a blanked VIDEO_TS before pumping it into DVD-RB?

Get the current version and source from...

http://www.iespana.es/jsoto/

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 15:49
Originally posted by SAPSTAR
I had the same idea, and there is an "easy" way to do it. run the prepare on several boxes. Then edit the ENCODER.ECL file, remove some cells on one box, leave them on the other one....then run the encode on both boxes. Then copy the m2v from one to another and then rebuild.....

It works !!!!

I'm thinking about a small program to do the splitting tasks.....Maybe trough shared disks... One of the reasons I broke things out, made them available in the D2VAVS directory, and gave the 3 step option was to encourage creative thinking just like this!!!

Fr4nz
21st April 2004, 16:09
Jdobbs I have one question: if one movie is forced to show a certain subtitle stream, will DVD-RB keep this property?

For example if I have a movie with Japanese talking, I'll see subtitles which translate in english what the man is saying because the DVD will play them by default.

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 16:10
Originally posted by Fr4nz
Jdobbs I have one question: if one movie is forced to show a certain subtitle stream, will DVD-RB keep this property? Yes.

Fr4nz
21st April 2004, 16:13
Originally posted by jdobbs
Yes.

Ok tnx. Because I tried to back up before Kill Bill Vol.I (I reauthored the DVD with DVD-Shrink, in order to keep only the main movie and then i started DVD-RB) and when I play back the backup on my standalone player it doesn't show up any subtitle. Maybe it's a DVD-Shrink fault. I'll try to force via DVD-Shrink the displaying of the italian subtitle stream and we'll see what happens.

valnar
21st April 2004, 16:13
jdobbs,
I didn't read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has been asked for previously.

Can you make the program specify the size of the outputted DVD instead of defaulting to 4.36Gb?

Since DVD Rebuilder works best with a whole DVD without anything removed (as you specified), it may be best to remove extras after the processing instead of before. That would mean transcoding it to slightly more than 4.36Gb to accomodate what you plan to remove later.

Just my 2 cents. Thanks for a great product!

-Robert

berndy2001
21st April 2004, 16:21
just search for "TargetSectors=" in this thread, you'll find your solution...

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 16:22
Originally posted by valnar
jdobbs,
I didn't read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has been asked for previously.

Can you make the program specify the size of the outputted DVD instead of defaulting to 4.36Gb?

Since DVD Rebuilder works best with a whole DVD without anything removed (as you specified), it may be best to remove extras after the processing instead of before. That would mean transcoding it to slightly more than 4.36Gb to accomodate what you plan to remove later.

Just my 2 cents. Thanks for a great product!

-Robert I've had several PM discussion with DDogg on this subject. What I probably eventually will do is allow the advanced user to input a minimum acceptable Q level they will accept for their main movie... DVD-RB will then do a sampled analysis and allocate what is necessary to meet that Q. It will probably also have a minimum Q acceptable on extras (to keep it from being totally useless). But that's down the road a bit.

robw
21st April 2004, 16:33
Originally posted by valnar
Since DVD Rebuilder works best with a whole DVD without anything removed (as you specified), it may be best to remove extras after the processing instead of before. That would mean transcoding it to slightly more than 4.36Gb to accomodate what you plan to remove later.

While I certainly understand jdobbs wish that bugs be reported for "original" DVDs only in order to minimize/eliminate issues associated with pre-processed files, I have found the program completely compatible with DVDs that have been preprocessed. So the real issue is one of beta testing not "works best with" in my opinion. I have routinely, and in nearly every case, stripped extras, not needed languages, short studio clips, etc. prior to running DVD-RB. No problems other than the same exact issue that would occur without preprocessing.

Fr4nz
21st April 2004, 16:53
Robw I have one question: if you *reauthor* a DVD with DVD-Shrink, will it keep the default stream forced or you manually have to force it?

DDogg
21st April 2004, 17:56
jdobbs, please give me a minute of your time to reply to what I think is a simple question.

1> How much work is it for you to half the average bitrate you have calculated and then apply that halved value to the 1/2D1 choices (non-main) and give that additional ABR to the main movie?

More elegant solutions have been discussed, but they are going to take a lot of your time.

I wonder if implementing this quickly would not provide a quick down and dirty solution for many, at least temporarily? Later, if you hang in with this project, you could go for a more robust and elegant solution.

[edited for clarity]

robw
21st April 2004, 18:06
Originally posted by Fr4nz
Robw I have one question: if you *reauthor* a DVD with DVD-Shrink, will it keep the default stream forced or you manually have to force it?

I generally do no reauthor using DVDShrink. I use it to rip the DVD to my HD using the full backup. Typically, I remove any languages I'm not interested in. Sometimes I shrink very large menus. Recall, that DVD-RB does not touch menus, so if you use DVDShrink on them, they won't be further compressed when DVD-RB runs. Once the DVD is ripped, I then use DVDReMake to take out anything I don't want ... generally I 'HIDE' things like the audio selection menu, often the extras, etc. I also 'HIDE' the buttons on menus that no longer apply.

Then, if the DVD files are still > 4488MB, I let DVD-RB do its thing.

P3gasus
21st April 2004, 18:45
@quantum and Joergen

Read this thread form this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71819&postid=462473#post462473) post on if you are interested in titlesetblanker issues.

@jdobbs Sorry for the interference.

@all

Bye

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 20:00
Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, please give me a minute of your time to reply to what I think is a simple question.

1> How much work is it for you to half the average bitrate you have calculated and then apply that halved value to the 1/2D1 choices (non-main) and give that additional ABR to the main movie?

More elegant solutions have been discussed, but they are going to take a lot of your time.

I wonder if implementing this quickly would not provide a quick down and dirty solution for many, at least temporarily? Later, if you hang in with this project, you could go for a more robust and elegant solution.

[edited for clarity] That's something I could probably do fairly easily. But it would have to be limited to entire VTSs -- in other words it wouldn't apply to extras that are included in a VTS with the movie. I don't think that's nearly as common as extras in separate VTSs.

dvdRENEGADE
21st April 2004, 20:01
jdobbs,
1/2 D1 is great. Will you add 1/4 D1 as well?
dvdRENEGADE

jdobbs
21st April 2004, 20:05
Originally posted by P3gasus
@quantum and Joergen

Read this thread form this (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71819&postid=462473#post462473) post on if you are interested in titlesetblanker issues.

@jdobbs Sorry for the interference.

@all

Bye Interference???

P3gasus
21st April 2004, 20:09
Originally posted by jdobbs
Interference???

Sorry: maybe intermission is better :)

Bye

DDogg
21st April 2004, 20:54
Originally posted by Jdobbs
That's something I could probably do fairly easily. But it would have to be limited to entire VTSs -- in other words it wouldn't apply to extras that are included in a VTS with the movie. I don't think that's nearly as common as extras in separate VTSs. I don't think the few that are not separate would be a big deal to worry about. As you say, they seem to be rare. This, as a quick interim solution would take care of a large majority of people's needs, and move it much closer to the advanced manual methods(IMO).

quantum
21st April 2004, 20:58
Originally posted by DDogg
1> How much work is it for you to half the average bitrate you have calculated and then apply that halved value to the 1/2D1 choices (non- Why limit this to half-d1? I'd rather take the half bitrate and leave the video structure alone.

Joergen
21st April 2004, 21:02
Originally posted by quantum
Why limit this to half-d1? I'd rather take the half bitrate and leave the video structure alone.

I second that :) /or test and see whats good.

slafe
21st April 2004, 23:06
Remap Audio?

First i have to say...very nice program...i have done many movies with cce...the 3 big method.with your program it's very simple to do a real good movie...nice work and keep it up.

I have a question about audio remap

if you have 4 audio track and you remove 3 of then...and if you take away audio stream 0x80 and leave stream 0x81 and remove the other two. when the movie is done "rebuild" and you play it,it has no sound to play before it go to 0x80 stream.

It very simple to remap this audio to play right..I have done this with ifoedit and put up the audiostream 0x81 to 0x80 stream and get rid of the other numbers..and in the VTSI_MAT rename to right name on the audiostream.

can it`s be done in dvd-rb??

DDogg
21st April 2004, 23:09
Originally posted by quantum
Why limit this to half-d1? I'd rather take the half bitrate and leave the video structure alone.I can't imagine why you would want to do that. The halved bitrate applied to a 1/2D1 would only suffer slightly from the degradation of the stretch. In effect it would look near identical to how it would if normally encoded in DVD-RB. Why would you want to just half the bitrate and leave it full frame? That would look like crap most of the time, IMO.

quantum
21st April 2004, 23:27
Originally posted by DDogg
I can't imagine why you would want to do that. The halved bitrate applied to a 1/2D1 would only suffer slightly from the degradation of the stretch. In effect it would look near identical to how it would if normally encoded in DVD-RB. Why would you want to just half the bitrate and leave it full frame? That would look like crap most of the time, IMO. I don't get this. Near identical to the original? To me, half-d1 looks like an obviously softened version of the original. Certainly nothing that could be considered nearly identical. By retaining the resolution, you have a chance of near original sharpness on low motion scenes. And you can retain subtitles.

Joergen
21st April 2004, 23:30
Depends on the extras of course. Especially the PAL region sometimes (or often) gets blurry ntsc-converted betamax-tape extras that wont suffer much from a lesser horisontal resolution.

And extras are pretty one-time stuff, so a little blur prolly doesnt matter much. I'd like to have the lower bitrate option with both possibilities (full and half-d1) though. :)

Wimpy
21st April 2004, 23:55
Originally posted by DDogg
I can't imagine why you would want to do that. The halved bitrate applied to a 1/2D1 would only suffer slightly from the degradation of the stretch. In effect it would look near identical to how it would if normally encoded in DVD-RB. Why would you want to just half the bitrate and leave it full frame? That would look like crap most of the time, IMO.

I agree with DDogg, halving the bitrate for a full frame (full movie) source would look pretty poor. Half bitrate for half D1, does offer a really nice tradeoff for extras though and I would certainly take advantage of this feature if it were made available.

DDogg
21st April 2004, 23:59
quantum, note I said, "In effect it would look near identical to how it would if normally encoded in DVD-RB". I never said anything about "the original". Of course it will be 'soft', but to me that is much more desirable than massively pixelated.

gopalkk
22nd April 2004, 01:35
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

While copying (not transcoded VTS) last VTS VTS_03
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1

This is 3rd dvd title it happened.

Any Ideas?

Joergen
22nd April 2004, 01:44
Originally posted by gopalkk
VTS VTS_03
This is 3rd dvd title it happened.


If thats the last VTS and is small, you can do it through DVDShrink and copy that over to the dvd-rb output (rebuilt) dir.

Though three in a row signals that you have something wrong in the settings.

djan
22nd April 2004, 01:47
Originally posted by gopalkk
"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort."

While copying (not transcoded VTS) last VTS VTS_03
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1

This is 3rd dvd title it happened.

Any Ideas? Man, this is the "Comments and Suggestions" thread. Post in the right thread please. We have enough difficulties to follow all.

onesoul
22nd April 2004, 01:49
Originally posted by DDogg
I can't imagine why you would want to do that. The halved bitrate applied to a 1/2D1 would only suffer slightly from the degradation of the stretch. In effect it would look near identical to how it would if normally encoded in DVD-RB. Why would you want to just half the bitrate and leave it full frame? That would look like crap most of the time, IMO. How about the choice, for example, between 1/2(=0.5), 3/5(=0.6), 3/4(=0.75) and 4/5(=0.8) of the calculated bitrate?

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 02:17
Originally posted by onesoul
How about the choice, for example, between 1/2(=0.5), 3/5(=0.6), 3/4(=0.75) and 4/5(=0.8) of the calculated bitrate? We're getting way too complicated. Make a program that you need a PhD to understand, and even PhDs will avoid it.

robw
22nd April 2004, 02:29
Einstein once said

"make it as simple as possible but not simpler"

DMagic1
22nd April 2004, 02:43
Originally posted by jdobbs
We're getting way too complicated. Make a program that you need a PhD to understand, and even PhDs will avoid it.

Hehe, do you have a book of those?

Joergen
22nd April 2004, 02:53
Originally posted by jdobbs
We're getting way too complicated. Make a program that you need a PhD to understand, and even PhDs will avoid it.

Kinda like a modern car, even the engineers who design them dont know how to fix them.

edit: jdobbs, write CTRL-R since I think it's different than Refresh in IE (and 99.9% use IE).

And HOT D*MN another super feature!

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 03:12
NEW VERSION (v0.43) UPLOADED

The newest version of DVD Rebuilder is now available through the first post of this thread. The changes are noted below:

- Added a new feature under the "Mode" menu called "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras". This feature, when checked, will resize any extras (that are outside the main [largest] VTS) to Half-D1 and will also half the allocated bitrate for them. The "recovered" space will be allocated to the main VTS. For movies with a lot of extras this can significantly improve the bitrate for the main movie. The new option will NOT work with ReJig for obvious reasons (ReJig is a transcoder and cannot resize the source).

- Corrected an error in which LPCM audio that was selected for removal was not properly flagged and removed.

- Change the default value for "Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates" (DACB) to true (checked). Note that this only affects the default, if you have selected or deselected this option and it is stored in the INI file -- the value willstill be set to your last selection. Reasoning: DACB just does a better job of properly allocating space and bitrate. Also disabled this option when ReJig is selected (it has no affect in ReJig mode, bitrate is proportional anyway).

NOTE: Some browsers require a "refresh" to see the new version.

onesoul
22nd April 2004, 03:20
Originally posted by jdobbs
We're getting way too complicated. Make a program that you need a PhD to understand, and even PhDs will avoid it. That was only an example, could be just 0.5 and 0.75.
Do you know what would be complicated? You trying to explain me how DVD-RB works and thus explaining the dvd structure.. :p ;)

onesoul
22nd April 2004, 03:33
Don't you think 0.75 of allocated bitrate for extras at full frame is acceptable? (considerating progressive frames)

DDogg
22nd April 2004, 03:40
- Added a new feature under the "Mode" menu called "Half-D1 and Half Space for Extras". :D I'll just bet you know I'm a very happy guy. Thanks for taking the time to add this. Hopefully it will not come back to bite at ya. Will test tonight.

DDogg
22nd April 2004, 03:43
onesoul, with respect, give it a rest :) This is supposed to be a quick down and dirty, possibly temporary, solution until he gets more time to think it out, down the road. Let's just be grateful for this very nice surprise.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 03:43
Originally posted by onesoul
Don't you think 0.75 of allocated bitrate for extras at full frame is acceptable? (considerating progressive frames) I understand. This latest version supports the Half-D1/Half Space feature. The reason I like this so well is because you can save a lot of space, but keep the Q relatively high on the extras (people with a standard non-HDTV television may not even notice). I'm looking at options for full D1 extra reductions as well -- we'll see how that goes.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 03:46
Originally posted by DDogg
onesoul, with respect, give it a rest :) This is supposed to be a quick down and dirty, possibly temporary, solution until he gets more time to think it out, down the road. Let's just be grateful for this very nice surprise. Exactly. I still like the idea of sampling to find the minimum acceptable Q on the main movie and stealing from extras to meet it. That takes time though.

DDogg
22nd April 2004, 03:47
I wonder if the first dvd I chose was a problem one. Italian job.

-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 21:30:26
- Note: "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 189,319 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 12,140 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 371,554 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 31,248 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 2,630,468 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 159,007 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 691,869 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 67,644 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 66,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,150 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 53.6%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,626Kbs
HALF-D1 Extras increased Main-Movie bitrate by .0%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 7,071/300/2,626 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 03:48
FYI. For those of you who get it I'm going to try very hard to, in my next posted version, fix the errors #0003 and #0004.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 03:50
Originally posted by DDogg
I wonder if the first dvd I chose was a problem one. Italian job.

-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 21:30:26
- Note: "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 189,319 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 12,140 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 371,554 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 31,248 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 2,630,468 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 159,007 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 691,869 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 67,644 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 66,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,150 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 53.6%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,626Kbs
HALF-D1 Extras increased Main-Movie bitrate by .0%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 7,071/300/2,626 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.
No. I stuck the percentage line in about 10 minutes before posting without testing it. I'd say it works but the printout is wrong. Let me look at it and I'll post an "a" version.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 03:56
Originally posted by jdobbs
No. I stuck the percentage line in about 10 minutes before posting without testing it. I'd say it works but the printout is wrong. Let me look at it and I'll post an "a" version. Yep. I divided the decimal value by 100 to get the percentage... duh... I was supposed to multiply by 100. Do you think that might do it? I'll post in about 5 minutes.

Joergen
22nd April 2004, 03:58
Originally posted by jdobbs
FYI. For those of you who get it I'm going to try very hard to, in my next posted version, fix the errors #0003 and #0004.

It will be most appreciated (though I've only gotten it once and managed around it). Some people though seem to get it from not setting up avisynth and mpeg2dec :rolleyes:

Could you make a sanity check for video decoding. Perhaps a short clip that is encoded and if the output is not within a range then say theres a problem.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 04:06
@DDogg,

If you have a few minutes, could you try that one again with the new version and post the percentag you get?

Thx.

gopalkk
22nd April 2004, 04:10
Thanks for planning to fix #0003 and #0004.

Menu compression is needed bad as my sources have 15% space in it.

It would be useful if you allow eclPasses=1 in the GUI
although it works when i set it in rebuilder.ini which
saves 50% time on my 2.4 HT PC.

Another suggestion is LPCM -> DD2.0 transcoding which also
can save LOTS of space but may not apply to 90% of disks.

Rebuilder seems to take more CPU time (30%)

gopalkk
22nd April 2004, 04:11
FYI,
i set TargetSectors=2386000
and got 4.32GB output from 7GB source.

Joergen
22nd April 2004, 04:13
That CPU percentage problem is clearly a P4 HT problem. On my XP2100+ and AMD64 3200+ CCE gets 96-98% of the CPU constantly.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 04:16
Originally posted by gopalkk
Thanks for planning to fix #0003 and #0004.

Menu compression is needed bad as my sources have 15% space in it.

It would be useful if you allow eclPasses=1 in the GUI
although it works when i set it in rebuilder.ini which
saves 50% time on my 2.4 HT PC.

Another suggestion is LPCM -> DD2.0 transcoding which also
can save LOTS of space but may not apply to 90% of disks.

Rebuilder seems to take more CPU time (30%) I guess I can increase the sleep time between checks... but when you do that the "Abort" button sometimes doesn't respond.

DDogg
22nd April 2004, 04:24
Here is two, the first is Good Fences, some gain. But, wow, look at the second which is the one I posted above! :D (if it is right)

-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 22:08:14
- Note: "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_01: 3,244,391 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 213,468 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_02: 237,077 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 16,747 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 199,497 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 15,186 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 239,946 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 18,271 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 38,852 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 2,980 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_08: 43,985 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 3,372 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 50.0%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,365Kbs
HALF-D1 Extras increased Main-Movie bitrate by 9.4%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 2,660/300/2,365 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.
-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 22:15:50
- Note: "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 189,319 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 12,140 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 371,554 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 31,248 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 2,630,468 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 159,007 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 691,869 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 67,644 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 66,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,150 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 53.6%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,626Kbs
HALF-D1 Extras increased Main-Movie bitrate by 47.3%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 3,561/300/2,626 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 5 minutes.


This can't be right. I'll try to check some more.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 04:29
All -- Don't use 0.43a... I just found a bug. If your main vts is anything but the first one it sets it to Half-D1. I'll post a fix (0.43b) as soon as I test it.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 04:39
Alright, 0.43b is posted...

godhead
22nd April 2004, 04:46
Good thing I was reading the forum, was just about to kick off an encode with .43a :D

Thanks for the quick catch!

DDogg
22nd April 2004, 04:49
Italian Job .43b
-----------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 22:41:09
- Note: "Half-D1/Half Space for Extras" mode is enabled.
- VTS_02: 189,319 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 12,140 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_03: 371,554 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 31,248 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_04: 2,630,468 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 159,007 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_05: 691,869 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 67,644 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- VTS_06: 66,502 sectors.
-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 4,150 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
- Reduction Level for DVD-5: 53.6%
- Overall Bitrate : 2,626Kbs
HALF-D1 Extras increased Main-Movie bitrate by 21.8%
- HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates: 4,624/300/2,626 Kbs
Phase I, PREPARATION completed in 4 minutes.

Joergen
22nd April 2004, 05:22
10-30% is significant. Either means I dont have to strip some piece of extras I dont want or all the better quality for the movie.

Good job jdobbs!

philos31
22nd April 2004, 08:32
Originally posted by Joergen
That CPU percentage problem is clearly a P4 HT problem. On my XP2100+ and AMD64 3200+ CCE gets 96-98% of the CPU constantly.

I can confirm that.

On my AMD 2600+ DVDRB uses 1-2% proc. Time.
On my P4 3Ghz HT it uses around 10-15%

RB
22nd April 2004, 08:43
Originally posted by jdobbs
@RB,

From looking at the D2V it appears there are a lot of places that were interpreted as stills because an I-FRAME is followed immediately by another I-FRAME (the lines with a single item on it). I guess the question is why the AVS files don't reflect that...
OK, thanks for looking into this. But actually, these I-Frames are not stills, this is just a trailer on this DVD which plays sequencially and seamlessly. It just has a lot of quick scene changes at the beginning (you can really see this), so that's probably why the original encoder inserted a lot of I-Frames.

RB
22nd April 2004, 09:51
Originally posted by jdobbs
FYI. For those of you who get it I'm going to try very hard to, in my next posted version, fix the errors #0003 and #0004.
Great! :) I have a project waiting for rebuild here that will be a very good exercise (currently fails with #0004). VTS_01 is 612 MB but video is just 16 still frames, the rest is AC3 and LPCM audio. A typical slide show with music tracks.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 11:56
Originally posted by RB
OK, thanks for looking into this. But actually, these I-Frames are not stills, this is just a trailer on this DVD which plays sequencially and seamlessly. It just has a lot of quick scene changes at the beginning (you can really see this), so that's probably why the original encoder inserted a lot of I-Frames. I guess I may need to look for a different method of determining stills. I'm going to leave it for now until I see how often this might occur.

rui
22nd April 2004, 12:19
A question:

Unless i am mistaken (itís quite possible :p ), i believe that someone on the forum said that one could use a transcoder without loosing much quality, if a DVD backup wouldn't go down below 75% of the original space.

Assuming this is correct, and since DVD-RB now informs, after the PREPARE fase, the average bitrate, what would be the value that would determine if one could use Rejig without a too great loss, or should use CCE/QuEnc?

There are situations where one doesnít mind to loose a bit of quality for the sake of speed, if the loss would remain at acceptable values.

I believe that the latest versions of DVD-RB do the PREPARE fase in such a way, that the ENCODE fase could de done using either 3 methods, right?

Sorry for my bad english

onesoul
22nd April 2004, 12:51
@DDogg, jdobbs

I'm zipped :)

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 13:48
Originally posted by rui
I believe that the latest versions of DVD-RB do the PREPARE fase in such a way, that the ENCODE fase could de done using either 3 methods, right? Definitely not. You have to do the prepare for the method you will be using in Phase II and III... For example, if you choose ReJig the PREPARE takes considerably longer because all the original cells must be demuxed.

rui
22nd April 2004, 14:15
Sorry. My mistake :o

RB
22nd April 2004, 14:22
Originally posted by jdobbs
I guess I may need to look for a different method of determining stills. I'm going to leave it for now until I see how often this might occur.
OK. AFAIK you already told me that a still frame could be identified by looking at some timecode that exceeds the normal duration of a single frame in case it's a still.

Djuby
22nd April 2004, 14:35
Originally posted by gopalkk
FYI,
i set TargetSectors=2386000
and got 4.32GB output from 7GB source.

I did some tests to find the MAX TargetSectors. You can use this one:
CCETargetSectors=2260007

I made two backups already and both of them came out 4.37 GB. Just a reminder, the final size is very close to DVD-R limit, so consider lowering the target sectors just a little bit. I personally prefer to be on the edge :-)

Djuby

nwg
22nd April 2004, 14:39
I have just done Roger Waters 'In The Flesh' R1 with Rejig. I can confirm that the LPCM is now removed with 0.43b. :)

I also really like that extras at Half D1 option.

timekills
22nd April 2004, 17:54
I know the post after this one won't make much sense after I edit this...heh.

Anyhow, in response to below - I was pretty sure that was the problem too, but no dice. I know the link is right though, since I can hit it from my other PCs, just not that one.

I should remember the adage: Try everything you can, and then try one more thing before you post.

Well. It should be an old adage.


Anyway, it motivated me to give jdobbs some $$$, so I guess it wasn't an entirely wasted post.

lab-one
22nd April 2004, 18:22
Try refreshing your browser, hit ctrl+r, clear your browsers cache (temporary internet files) or use Internet Explorer.

DVD Maniac
22nd April 2004, 19:05
The Half D-1 mode for extras looks really promising and I am going to give a try tonight. One problem I can see here is when you are encoding an episode based source with multiple Titles, how will Rebuilder be able to differentiate between the Titles which are the episodes (which we want to maximise the bitrate) as opposed to the extras which might be of similar size? I realise we might be trying to run before we walk here but could a feature be added for us to identify those titles which we want a Half D-1 allocation?

nwg
22nd April 2004, 19:24
There is also the option to set which VTS files are to Half-D1 manually in the AVS options.

As long as each VTS for the episodes is known, the extras VTS can be turned into Half D1.

DVD Maniac
22nd April 2004, 19:52
Ah yes - I missed that - cool.:cool:

Now if only those Authoring companies would have the decency to put all the extras in separate Title-Sets. Unfortunately they often don't and have that annoying habit of stashing them in the main movie title-set. That's where the one-clickers ability to specify compression levels by title comes in really handy.

Currently I am doing a two stage process for these types of structures. Using Shrink to reduce the size of the extras that I want to keep + shrinking down menus a tad first. Then feed the result to Rebuilder - works fine, I have only had one result which Rebuilder did not like.

What's the likelihood of Rebuilder eventually having the same Title specific reduction functionality? Not a major issue - just a polite suggestion for later enhancement:p

nwg
22nd April 2004, 20:05
Currently I am doing a two stage process for these types of structures. Using Shrink to reduce the size of the extras that I want to keep + shrinking down menus a tad first. Then feed the result to Rebuilder - works fine, I have only had one result which Rebuilder did not like.

I am doing something similar. I am doing Kill Bill and reduced the extras and menus down to 60% in Shrink (with deep analysis). Then doing the disc with CCE in DVD Rebuilder and Half D1 on the extras.

I have also gained an extra 10% in disc space.

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 22:38
Originally posted by nwg
There is also the option to set which VTS files are to Half-D1 manually in the AVS options.

As long as each VTS for the episodes is known, the extras VTS can be turned into Half D1. Hmmm... actually I hadn't thought of that -- I don't cut the bitrate on the "normal" Half-D1. Maybe I should.

smlong426
22nd April 2004, 22:39
Hmm.. I have my target size as TargetSectors=2270000 .. Using the Half D1 and Half Space option, my DVD size came out to only 4.03 gigs. This doesn't seem right ..

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 22:41
Originally posted by smlong426
Hmm.. I have my target size as TargetSectors=2270000 .. Using the Half D1 and Half Space option, my DVD size came out to only 4.03 gigs. This doesn't seem right .. Don't know how... every sector that gets removed from extra allocation gets added to the movie... maybe I'm miscalculating somewhere.

smlong426
22nd April 2004, 22:43
I'll just up the size and see what happens ..

plethman
22nd April 2004, 23:22
i like the new feature in .43b where "extras" are half size
another nice feature might be a VTS min size variable ... in which if the VTS size is smaller then set variable ... the VTS won't be processed. re-encoding a 100mb file .. or even smaller doesn't do much for saving space.

just my 2 cents ... keep up the good work .. i love this proggie

nwg
22nd April 2004, 23:23
jdobbs wrote,
Hmmm... actually I hadn't thought of that -- I don't cut the bitrate on the "normal" Half-D1. Maybe I should.

I didn't realise that. I think it might be better to have the option of full bitrate or reduce it.

I did a whole DVD at Half-D1 (homemade DVD of a TV series - eight 1/2 hour episodes). I did it at Half-D1 so, I didn't get pixelation like I did with DVD Shrink. I wouldn't be able to do it with reduced bitrate at the same quality.

Joergen
22nd April 2004, 23:24
Originally posted by plethman
i like the new feature in .43b where "extras" are half size
another nice feature might be a VTS min size variable ... in which if the VTS size is smaller then set variable ... the VTS won't be processed. re-encoding a 100mb file .. or even smaller doesn't do much for saving space.

just my 2 cents ... keep up the good work .. i love this proggie

That's already at 50MB :D

But it might be nice to have a custom variable through the options :cool:

jdobbs
22nd April 2004, 23:33
Originally posted by Joergen
That's already at 50MB :D

But it might be nice to have a custom variable through the options :cool: The only reason I don't make it settable yet is that it would likely cause a lot more of the #0003 and #0004 errors. Most of the occurances of the source of those errors happens in those small VTSs.

Joergen
22nd April 2004, 23:33
Originally posted by jdobbs
The only reason I don't make it settable yet is that it would likely cause a lot more of the #0003 and #0004 errors. Most of the occurances of the source of those errors happens in those small VTSs.

Yes I meant you could set it higher. :) Ie 50, 100, 150 to avoid multiangle extras or other problems.

DDogg
22nd April 2004, 23:51
Originally posted by jdobbs -
Hmmm... actually I hadn't thought of that -- I don't cut the bitrate on the "normal" Half-D1. Maybe I should. The way you did it was simple to implement, is clear cut, and it works, but sure, it is slightly redundant. Poking the the two separate 1/2D1 thingeys together might be more straightforward if you ever feel like messing with it. Today, on one source I used the new setting and also checked the 1/2D1 option on the other for the main movie as it was a 4:3 interlaced encoding nightmare that needed the bitrate concentration.

A way to interface it might be to have an "All Non-Movie", as well as the individuals, BUT then allow checks to be added or changed. That way if there are 10 things to check, it is easier than the present method of one at a time. Seems like you should be able to click "All" then go back and uncheck one instead of it being grayed. Dunno how that works at the programming level.

At this stage I'm afraid everybody is starting to ask too much of you. Maybe its time for a break? I know you are back at the daily work grind and doing this at the same time has got to be back breaking. Don't let this stuff stress you out too much. It is a fun hobby, yeah? :rolleyes: :)

wmansir
23rd April 2004, 00:16
Originally posted by jdobbs
Hmmm... actually I hadn't thought of that -- I don't cut the bitrate on the "normal" Half-D1. Maybe I should.

I wouldn't like that, unless it was optional, because it takes away control.

My current project is The 7th Voyage of Sinbad, and it contains several extras. I tried half-D1+Half-rate (+dynamic assign) but it put the extras down to around 900kbps, which was unacceptable. I was going to try it without dynamic assign, but unforutnately it looks like Half-D1/rate can't be used without Dynamic assign, so instead I just turned them half-D1 and used Dynamic assign, which produced acceptable bitrates.

djan
23rd April 2004, 01:11
Originally posted by DDogg
Seems like you should be able to click "All" then go back and uncheck one instead of it being grayed. It would be nice. I was thinking to this some time ago but didn't want to disturb. It's sometimes borring to check many vts.

jdobbs
23rd April 2004, 02:34
[B]New Version (v0.44) Posted{/B]

Fixed the runtime error '75' associated with mounted volumes. See the first post of this thread for download.

wmansir
23rd April 2004, 03:28
@jdobbs

I noticed that half-D1 ouput does not have the correct resolution in the new .ifo files (still at full-D1).

Also, could you set the audio status of removed audio streams to '0'? This, and deleting the associated menu buttons, is all I do for stripped audio and it works fine in my player, and software players. I know you talked about re-mapping audio streams. I don't know if that gives any advantage in most cases, but I know it meses up menu selections.

wmansir
23rd April 2004, 03:30
Originally posted by jdobbs
[B]New Version (v0.44) Posted{/B]

Fixed the runtime error '75' associated with mounted volumes. See the first post of this thread for download.

I'll give it a couple of days and if everything looks good I'll update the usage guide here, and Doom9's guide to use the mounted ISO method. That should reduce instances of people tampering with sources or missing files.

smlong426
23rd April 2004, 05:02
How does Rebuilder determine which parts of a DVD are extras and which is the main movie ? Would it be possible to have the Half D1/Bitrate option (in addition to the current one that is applied to all extras) that is on a per VTS basis?

RB
23rd April 2004, 07:41
Originally posted by wmansir
@jdobbs

I noticed that half-D1 ouput does not have the correct resolution in the new .ifo files (still at full-D1).

I believe this is correct. When you manually author a half-D1 title in Maestro or Scenarist, the authored IFO also specifies full D1.

Rockas
23rd April 2004, 12:44
Dear Mr. jdobbs
I've been using your program and I like very much. Now i'd like to ask you if your going to have your program in other languages.
If your answer is yes I'd like to offer me to translate it to portuguese... is it possible? I'm a moderator of the portuguese forum.. and before the data base crack down many people asqued me about this.
Thank you.

Ass. Rockas

rui
23rd April 2004, 14:54
Sorry for the MOD's about this little off-topic post of mine :o

Rockas: i just LOVE your avathar (this is the correct name?) :D

SLB, SLB, glorioso SLB :D

For the non portuguese folks, his avathar is the simbol of the GREATEST soccer club here in Portugal. :) Six million fans only inside our country.

mfluder
23rd April 2004, 15:32
Hey jdobbs! Love your program. You have done a great job. I have a (hopefuly useful) suggestion.

How about an option for restricting the bitrate of the movie's last cell. For most movies (but not all) the last cell is credits so it would be useful if we can limit the bitrate for that cell. As it is now, with "Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates" option turned on, the average bitrate of the credits is often bigger than the average bitrate of the whole movie. For example, the last project I was working on credits done with dvd-rb were 220 MB with an average bitrate of 4100 kb/s although an average bitrate of the whole movie was 3550 kb/s. From my experience in using CCE, credits look great even with bitrates as low as 1000 kb/s. So it would be quite an improvement for the movie's bitrate if we could shave off 3100 kb/s from credits and assign them across the other cells.

Please take this into consideration, even if it means that you have to put it at the end of your very long list of neverending suggestions :)

Regards,
mfluder

jdobbs
23rd April 2004, 15:33
Originally posted by Rockas
Dear Mr. jdobbs
I've been using your program and I like very much. Now i'd like to ask you if your going to have your program in other languages.
If your answer is yes I'd like to offer me to translate it to portuguese... is it possible? I'm a moderator of the portuguese forum.. and before the data base crack down many people asqued me about this.
Thank you.

Ass. Rockas

djan
23rd April 2004, 15:38
jdobbs, you answered nothing. Are you too much tired ? :)

jdobbs
23rd April 2004, 16:18
I thought I'd cancelled out... obviously I was wrong.

Joergen
23rd April 2004, 18:01
jdobbs: I noticed while testing RBFarm that if CCE writes mpv files instead of m2v, then RB gives the nothing to do error or a 0003 error on rebuild. Do you rename the mpv files to m2v always or do you check the filenames?

RB
23rd April 2004, 19:35
Make sure you have the latest EclCCE v1.81.

Joergen
23rd April 2004, 19:42
Originally posted by RB
Make sure you have the latest EclCCE v1.81.

OMG I had the 1.7b on one PC. :o
1.81 fixes the problem.
Thanks RB :cool:

nwg
23rd April 2004, 20:18
I managed to do a real nice backup of Kill Bill (PAL).

I put it into Shrink first to compress the extras to 60%. I then used the Half-D1 option for the extras and got them down to 25%. I kept the DD and DTS and the film ended at 70% including a 8% gain from the Half-D1 option.

DVD-RB 0.43b
CCE 2.50 (3 passes).
eclCCE 1.81

imd_man
23rd April 2004, 20:32
Hey jdobbs! I've successfully used DVD-RB for about 6 of my DVDs now. It's worked just great! However, they've all been quite simple DVDs (simple structures, no forced subs). So I was just curious, does DVD-RB work with forced subs?

Thanks!

Best

jdobbs
23rd April 2004, 22:24
Originally posted by imd_man
Hey jdobbs! I've successfully used DVD-RB for about 6 of my DVDs now. It's worked just great! However, they've all been quite simple DVDs (simple structures, no forced subs). So I was just curious, does DVD-RB work with forced subs?

Thanks!

Best I can think of no reason why it wouldn't work with forced subs. But there is still work to be done on BOV and interleaving (seamless branching and multiple angles). I have plans to kick out a lot of code this weekend. You never know what we might what we have by Sunday night.

m3taPT
24th April 2004, 01:22
Originally posted by rui

SLB, SLB, glorioso SLB :D



Rui: Amen :D

Sorry for the also-OT reply, but anyone who knows what Rui was talking about simply can not resist to comment. :)

nwg
24th April 2004, 11:15
I would like to add a suggestion. :)

Would it be possible to add another option for Quenc. I noticed Quenc defaults to a 2 pass encode. It would be even better to have the option of 1 or 2 passes. I have done dome DVD's where I don't want to use Rejig. I want better quality but, don't want to wait for/need a 2 pass encode.

jdobbs
24th April 2004, 11:22
Originally posted by nwg
I would like to add a suggestion. :)

Would it be possible to add another option for Quenc. I noticed Quenc defaults to a 2 pass encode. It would be even better to have the option of 1 or 2 passes. I have done dome DVD's where I don't want to use Rejig. I want better quality but, don't want to wait for/need a 2 pass encode. My concern is that if I'm not using 2 pass mode I can't predict the output size... but I'm really not sure about that. Does QuEnc do a Q based VBR in one pass or does it stick to the bitrate?

nwg
24th April 2004, 11:31
jdobbs wrote,
My concern is that if I'm not using 2 pass mode I can't predict the output size... but I'm really not sure about that. Does QuEnc do a Q based VBR in one pass or does it stick to the bitrate?

I don't know about that sort of stuff, I should do.

If a 2 pass it needed, then that is fine.

Paced
24th April 2004, 11:33
Originally posted by jdobbs
My concern is that if I'm not using 2 pass mode I can't predict the output size... but I'm really not sure about that. Does QuEnc do a Q based VBR in one pass or does it stick to the bitrate?

It sticks to the bitrate, and it has the same amount of accuracy (output size) as 2 passes (from my tests anyway).

jdobbs
24th April 2004, 11:34
Originally posted by Paced
It sticks to the bitrate, and it has the same amount of accuracy (output size) as 2 passes (from my tests anyway). Okay. I'll add it. Is there a huge quality drop? I really like to aim for quality as the default.

nwg
24th April 2004, 11:36
jdobbs wrote,
Okay. I'll add it.

Excellent, thank you. :)

You could set it to 2 pass as default, and have an option to set it to one pass.

Paced
24th April 2004, 11:54
Originally posted by jdobbs
Okay. I'll add it. Is there a huge quality drop? I really like to aim for quality as the default.

I just did a few tests to make sure for you, and there is not a huge quality drop. The results were as follows:

1 minute clip (relatively lots of motion)
1 pass turned out to be 10.3 mb (10,860,167 bytes)
2 pass = 10.3 mb (10,847,371 bytes)

But I must say again, QuEnc isn't very good at accurately achieving the right file size in either 1 or 2 pass modes. It is extremely accurate if you use CBR though.

PS I couldn't tell the difference between the two samples in quality

Sharro
24th April 2004, 12:15
Admired Jdobbs,

My next salary will certainly deserve a share for you.

Even though I'm a Xvid Tribalistic Fan, from time to time I go into Dvd backup, in the past, I used Big 3 method, but ... what an hassle and expensive programs.... I still dream of multi-angle support (but I know it's in your todo list)

Because I'm on Pal reg and I get a lot of interlaced, sometimes Fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion than just Fielddeinterlace() without any jerkiness on playback.

Any chance to change the default without going through all the avs ?

Keep up the greatttttttttttttt work, the World thanks you.

All the best.


Sharro
Aka Xvid Tribalistic Fan

Paced
24th April 2004, 12:35
Originally posted by Sharro
Because I'm on Pal reg and I get a lot of interlaced, sometimes Fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion than just Fielddeinterlace() without any jerkiness on playback.

You should give Telecide() a try (for PAL). It has the same effect as FieldDeinterlace(blend=false), but it also removes a serious 'flaw' (wierd random artifacts) that comes along when FieldDeinterlace() is used.

nwg
24th April 2004, 12:42
Sharro wrote,
Because I'm on Pal reg and I get a lot of interlaced, sometimes Fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion than just Fielddeinterlace() without any jerkiness on playback.

I am also doing PAL discs, and I just leave it on the default settings. I haven't had any problems so far.

Redbacks
24th April 2004, 12:52
I'm still having a problems with scene changes. I'm trying to do Fellowship of the ring (Pal) And keep getting stuttering at the scene changes. Using DVD-RB 0.44, CCE SP 2.66.01.07. I've also tried it with CCE SP 2.67.00.23. Yet when I don't use DVD-RB using CCE the stuttering is gone. I can't for the life of me work it out. I'm from Oz. So I would like to know if anyone else in my neck of the woods is having the same problem with this disk.. And if I'm not supposed to be posting bugs in here then my apologies. It's just that I love this tool and yet so close, yet so far :)

Paced
24th April 2004, 13:07
Originally posted by Redbacks
I'm still having a problems with scene changes. I'm trying to do Fellowship of the ring (Pal) And keep getting stuttering at the scene changes. Using DVD-RB 0.44, CCE SP 2.66.01.07. I've also tried it with CCE SP 2.67.00.23. Yet when I don't use DVD-RB using CCE the stuttering is gone. I can't for the life of me work it out. I'm from Oz. So I would like to know if anyone else in my neck of the woods is having the same problem with this disk.. And if I'm not supposed to be posting bugs in here then my apologies. It's just that I love this tool and yet so close, yet so far :)

I'm in your neck of the woods, and I haven't had chapter stutters since 0.39 :) (using CCE 2.50).

Sharro
24th April 2004, 15:05
I have an encode that I did both ways, one with Fielddeinterlace() and one with Fielddeinterlace(blend=false), the last has much smoother motion without being blurred. Results were checked on progressive display (PC monitor) as my Tv is a standard one already 6 years old.

I haven't got the technical information to backup my conclusions, just my eyes, and I don't want to go off topic by discussing (de)interlacing my post was a suggestion/question.

If there is no chance that I can change it through DVD-RB, I will go through the avs's, no problem.

All the best,

Sharro
AKA Xvid Tribalistic Fan

jdobbs
24th April 2004, 16:34
Originally posted by Sharro
I have an encode that I did both ways, one with Fielddeinterlace() and one with Fielddeinterlace(blend=false), the last has much smoother motion without being blurred. Results were checked on progressive display (PC monitor) as my Tv is a standard one already 6 years old.

I haven't got the technical information to backup my conclusions, just my eyes, and I don't want to go off topic by discussing (de)interlacing my post was a suggestion/question.

If there is no chance that I can change it through DVD-RB, I will go through the avs's, no problem.

All the best,

Sharro
AKA Xvid Tribalistic Fan I never use FieldDeinterlace() so I'm probably not the best person to give an opinion. Anyone else?

quantum
24th April 2004, 16:46
I would definitely use blend=false as the default every time on fielddeinterlace. Otherwise it produces the ghosting effect which is an overlay (blend) of two frames. With blend=false you end up with duplicated frames which looks okay when played for some reason.

Joergen
24th April 2004, 16:48
Yep I had enough of blending with divx projects. Its bloody murder!

But DVDs are watched on standalones and TVs and should retain their original "made for TV" interlaced structure for best quality (or if you know you have interlaced frame for frame PAL image then some sort of interlacing without duplication or blending might be the best quality).

jdobbs
24th April 2004, 16:55
Originally posted by Joergen
Yep I had enough of blending with divx projects. Its bloody murder!

But DVDs are watched on standalones and TVs and should retain their original "made for TV" interlaced structure for best quality (or if you know you have interlaced frame for frame PAL image then some sort of interlacing without duplication or blending might be the best quality). Is there any reason to ever do it without blend=false? I'd be much better if I didn't have to keep adding options that generate confusion.

quantum
24th April 2004, 17:33
Originally posted by jdobbs
Is there any reason to ever do it without blend=false? I'd be much better if I didn't have to keep adding options that generate confusion. I would say no. I think it's safe to make it blend=false always and no need for an option for blend=true.

Joergen
24th April 2004, 17:33
Originally posted by jdobbs
Is there any reason to ever do it without blend=false? I'd be much better if I didn't have to keep adding options that generate confusion.

Unless some misguided soul wants to watch his DVD like a blended divx on his PC ONLY (without hardware compensations or deinterlacing). But having a 4.3GB divx with a DVD menu is pretty futile ;)

But some more opinions are welcome, but keep in mind that DVD is for TV.

Sharro
24th April 2004, 18:17
Hi guys!

Damn me.

My reasons:

-when it comes to pal I always try a avs with both deinterlace functions and play it with MPC then I decide (I'm even thinking of a stackhorizontal next time).
-Most times fielddeinterlace(blend=false) gives less blured motion (I'm a "sharp" guy) and smooth playback.
-Doom9 says: "I personally use" on its guides :-)
-I ain't blind!

Please Doom9, and all other Pal Dvd-Backup Gurus any recomendation to JDobbs's defaults ?

All the best,


Sharro
Aka Xvid Tribalistic Fun

jdobbs
25th April 2004, 00:30
Originally posted by Joergen
jdobbs: I noticed while testing RBFarm that if CCE writes mpv files instead of m2v, then RB gives the nothing to do error or a 0003 error on rebuild. Do you rename the mpv files to m2v always or do you check the filenames? The extension .M2V is always specified in the .ECL

Joergen
25th April 2004, 00:48
Originally posted by jdobbs
The extension .M2V is always specified in the .ECL
Good, but an old version of eclcce can ignore it back to .mpv apparently :)

BBWoof
25th April 2004, 02:56
I've been really enjoying your program for doing tv dvds. It's worked great until Alias Season 2 Disk 6 (R1). During the rebuilding of the last VOB it gives a "Subscript out of range" error.

BBWoof

jdobbs
25th April 2004, 11:47
Originally posted by BBWoof
I've been really enjoying your program for doing tv dvds. It's worked great until Alias Season 2 Disk 6 (R1). During the rebuilding of the last VOB it gives a "Subscript out of range" error.

BBWoof I think the last 3 significant errors are all in REBUILD and result in #0003, #0004, and '9' subscript out of range. I am working hard to exterminate them. I have important features (BOV and interleaving) waiting in the wings.

nimbles
25th April 2004, 12:22
hey jdobbs- just did a carlito's way r2 which was one of those 4:3 sources with blackbars to give a wide screen picture- used the 4:3 -> 16:9 conversion on just vts_1 (the main movie) and it came out great. Thanks alot for that!!- how do you change the aspect ratio and not stretch the actual film?(there was no vertical bars either side on the original source- so i assume you are lopping off stuff from top and bottom- so i'd assume you'd have to stretch it vertically to keep the 720x576 size?- it worked so i'm not complaining :D)

Weird thing happened dunno if you can comment on it- something happened with the CCE and i had to delete all the revisions of dvd-rb, but got it working again but forgot what i had for the Target sector size (stupidly forgot to keep at least one of the .ini files :rolleyes: ), and my eventual output file was like 2mb over the size of a dvd-r something like 4707000kb, anyway i remember i'd left the english subs in so decided to open the resulting out put file in dvdshrink (rather than redo everything in rb) and remove the the sub and (with no compression applied to any of the source).

To my surprise when i backed up with dvdshrink (no compression so took like 4 minutes) the resulting output file size was now 40mb under max dvd-r size (the only think i can think of is that when i opened up the RB output in dvdshrink the other audio and subtitles i had ripped through dvd decrypter in ifo mode had showed up but with no size- i just uncheked them)- so reopened up the rb output in dvd shrink, and left the english subs (they're only supposed to be 6mb according to shrink) in this time and the resulting output was about 30mb lower than the original rb output size.

Dvd plays back perfectly and i can't notice any difference between the two (pre and post dvdshrink) and i hope shrink hasn't done any transcoding as i specifically specified no compression plus the destination file size in shrink is set to 8000mb so that it can't accidently start trancoding- looking at the two video_ts folders, i can confirm that the reduction has occurred in the main movie title set all other vts sets are identical

Its no biggy- just was surprised that i was essentially able to pass it through shrink without doing anything except remove unspecified subtitles and it shaved around 30odd mb :confused:

jdobbs
25th April 2004, 13:15
@nimbles

Almost always the reason for DVD-RB creating a source that is too large is the result of two phases running that weren't configured the same. Here's what typically happens:

1. Run PREPARE with French (for example) audio removed.
2. Run ENCODE everything is the same...
3. Closed down DVD-RB and will come back later.
4. Opened DVD-RB and ran REBUILD but didn't select French audio...

Generally the size will be over by the difference between the "breathing room" left by the default targe-size and the length of the audio that was accidently left in the DVD.

Don't know it that was what happened -- but it isn't unusual.

wmansir
25th April 2004, 13:32
Originally posted by jdobbs

Almost always the reason for DVD-RB creating a source that is too large is the result of two phases running that weren't configured the same.
I know I've done that a couple of times.

This reminds me of a minor suggestion. How about the ability to "link" phases. You could put a check box between the Prepare, Encode, and Rebuild button. If that box is checked the next step is run automatically. I often want to prepare, look over the final bitrates, .avs files, ect, and then run Encode+Rebuild.

As it is now I usually Encode, then when I come back (ie wake up), I have to wait around for the Rebuild. OR, if I didn't change anything after the prepare step, I could set 1-click mode and start over.

It's not a major inconvenience, but like I said, a minor suggestion. You can put it near the bottom of your long to do list if you like it.

nimbles
25th April 2004, 14:00
thanks for the explanation guys

Could this also have happened in 1 click mode too? cos thats actually what i did.

The size discrepency (30mb) is far too small to be either of the omitted audio tracks (french and spanish AC3 2ch) but probably sounds about right for all the non english subs

but i see what you mean though, thanks again

acido
25th April 2004, 17:16
@jdobbs
Just a little thing that may be adjusted with removed audio streams : unselected audio streams in DVD-RB can still be selected when playing the final backup leading to mute playback. This is good because some menus still requires all streams entries in order to work properly. What i've noticed is that if you pass the DVD-RB backup through DVD Shrink checking only the needed streams, this time entries are still present but you cannot select them (greyed out). Can you try to fix it the same way? Removing them with IFOEDIT is not as good because menus will fail selecting audio streams (entries really removed).
Last, i would be very glad if you'll consider integrating dvd-rb farm from quantum into dvd-rb, it really cuts CCE encoding times by half ( at least )!
Ciao.

DrChair
25th April 2004, 20:49
@jdobbs

I don't know if it has been suggested before (no time to read all the topics).

When doing a backup with half D1 for extra's, could you perhaps split up the "HIGH/LOW/AVERAGE Cell Bitrates" stats into 2 pieces?
One line for half D1 content and one for full D1 content.

This way it's easier to see at what average bitrate the main-movie is done.

BBWoof
25th April 2004, 21:48
Originally posted by jdobbs
I think the last 3 significant errors are all in REBUILD and result in #0003, #0004, and '9' subscript out of range. I am working hard to exterminate them. I have important features (BOV and interleaving) waiting in the wings.

Hey, until it works with yours I've still got the big three method.

But taking out the Scenarist step definitely saves a bunch of effort.

Good Luck

BBWoof

mpennel
25th April 2004, 22:16
Like I've said before, I *LOVE* this program, and am very excited about what you're putting together for all of us! Many thanks!

One thing I'd love to see added is a PAUSE feature. For instance, I started a One click conversion before I left to run some errands a couple of hours ago. I just came home, and it's a little over 50% done. I'd love to have the ability to PAUSE the encoding process (using CCE 2.50 here) between different .m2v conversions, and continue it later. I wouldn't necessarily need to have it save out a file to load back into Rebuilder later or anyting to conitune (but that would be even better), but I'd love to have the ability to PAUSE rebuilder, and just leave the program open, while I use the computer to do other things like play Far Cry or something, and then when I'm done, I could CONTINUE with the encoding process from where I left off. Does this sound unreasonable/doable?

Thanks again for all of your hard work!

Mark

Joergen
25th April 2004, 22:18
Originally posted by mpennel

I'd love to have the ability to PAUSE the encoding process



Just hit ABORT in one-click. Then switch to three-click and hit encode, and it will ask if you want to resume, say YES. The Pause feature is already in there (for the encoding phase). You can even shutdown your PC over the night or the WEEK and continue where you left off. Just remember to re-check the audio channels you want to remove each time (jdobbs has not yet included this fix).

mpennel
25th April 2004, 22:23
Originally posted by Joergen
Just hit ABORT in one-click. Then switch to three-click and hit encode, and it will ask if you want to resume, say YES. The Pause feature is already in there (for the encoding phase). You can even shutdown your PC over the night or the WEEK and continue where you left off. Just remember to re-check the audio channels you want to remove each time (jdobbs has not yet included this fix).

Wow! I didn't know that. I guess I've been too squeamish to try to stop the encoding process mid-stream, especially like now when it's something like 58% done! Thanks for the tip! I'll give it a shot!

dinkel
26th April 2004, 01:04
Could you add functionality to the program so that we can minimize to systray? With cce being able to to be minimized to the systray, the processing can take place all in the background. just a thought.

jdobbs
26th April 2004, 02:27
NEW VERSION OF DVD-REBUILDER (v0.45)

Attached please find a new version of DVD-RB. This version includes some significant fixes -- including the infamous "Error #0004". For all of you QuEnc users -- this version of DVD-RB requires that you upgrade QuEnc to v0.47 or above. You can get it here. (http://nic.dnsalias.com/QuEnc.exe)

Once more I'd like to say "Thank You" to all the beta testers. I've gotten some really helpful feedback from very insightful folks.

Some of the changes/improvements included in this version are listed below.

Note: Do not attempt to do a REBUILD using 0.45 against sources that were prepared using previous versions. It will result in errors.

- IMPORTANT NOTE: Ensure you are using DVD Decrypter version 3.2.1.0 or above. Version 3.2.0.0 (and possibly below) in ISO mode can cause "illegal input stream", "no I-Frame for 51 frames", and "Runtime Error '9'" due to a bug in it's ISO mode processing.

- Corrected Error Code #0004. Rebuilt the NAVPACK decision engine so it handles large streams of non-video data that is sometimes associated with STILLs.

- Modified the 4:3->16:9 output for interlaced sources so fields are separated prior to resizing and weaved back together after resizing. It should make for a more accurate representation of the source material.

- Found a error that could cause DVD-RB to exit with Runtime Error '9' when it encountered an illegal input stream. The error is now properly recognized and DVD-RB gracefully aborts the PREPARE process.

- IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE QUENCODE WITH DVD REBUILDER -- YOU MUST UPGRADE TO QUENCODE V0.47 OR ABOVE. Download it here. (http://nic.dnsalias.com/QuEnc.exe)

- Added an option under QuEnc that enables single-pass encode as an option.

- Modified the source to take advantage of the new QuEnc version Nic has released (v0.47). This version that supports better DVD-RB control over options -- they can now be reset after setting (Trellis, KVCD, and 2-pass).

- Added a "Shutdown at One Click Completion" mode item. The state of this flag is not kept between program runs. It will do a Windows Shutdown at the completion of the next One-Click execution. A 10 Second warning window enables cancellation before shutdown.

- Numerous other minor changes, enhancements, and bug fixes including modified handling of some sound and still images.

The latest version can be found here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75452)

nwg
26th April 2004, 02:33
Excellent, I will try it now.

Added an option under QuEnc that enables single-pass encode as an option.

Thank you for very much for this option. :)

quantum
26th April 2004, 03:06
Nice work. Should we expect BOV in v0.46? :scared: ;)

Joergen
26th April 2004, 03:14
Great job again jdobbs! It's always exciting to refresh the forum and see a new number posted :)

One question though:

- Modified the Half-D1 output for interlaced output so fields are separated prior to resizing

Is this needed for half-d1 since it resizes only horizontally and doesnt affect interlacing (which is also horizontal). Field separation is needed for vertical scaling (LB to anamorphic) or am I missing something? :o

jdobbs
26th April 2004, 03:30
Originally posted by quantum
Nice work. Should we expect BOV in v0.46? :scared: ;) Very likely.

jdobbs
26th April 2004, 03:32
Originally posted by Joergen
Great job again jdobbs! It's always exciting to refresh the forum and see a new number posted :)

One question though:



Is this needed for half-d1 since it resizes only horizontally and doesnt affect interlacing (which is also horizontal). Field separation is needed for vertical scaling (LB to anamorphic) or am I missing something? :o I stated it wrong and will go back up and fix it... it is 4:3->16:9 conversion that uses this.

Joergen
26th April 2004, 03:44
Ok good, thanks for the clarification :cool:

DDogg
26th April 2004, 03:57
I'm running that problem 'ItalianJob' tonight. I'll let you know first thing if the '9' is gone on rebuild.

JDay
26th April 2004, 04:04
Could you automatically set the -interlaced and -nointerlaced options for QuEnc? It seems to just leave the settings as they were on the last run.

oddwunn
26th April 2004, 04:15
Hi jdobbs,

I just started using DVD-RB today (ver 0.44) and every title I have tried came up with the "error #0004" problem (using CCE), so I tried rebuilding my encoded project files tonight with the newly released 0.45 beta - I'm sorry to report that the error still exists. Maybe I have to encode them from scratch again? Please read here for details:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=481764#post481764

Thanks!

jdobbs
26th April 2004, 12:55
Originally posted by oddwunn
Hi jdobbs,

I just started using DVD-RB today (ver 0.44) and every title I have tried came up with the "error #0004" problem (using CCE), so I tried rebuilding my encoded project files tonight with the newly released 0.45 beta - I'm sorry to report that the error still exists. Maybe I have to encode them from scratch again? Please read here for details:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=481764#post481764

Thanks! This is confusing to me. I didn't think it was even possible to get a #0004 any more. I'm at the "real job" right now, but will look at this tonight.

jdobbs
26th April 2004, 12:57
A note to everyone. You cannot continue jobs started with a previous version (e.g. just do a REBUILD) on ANY job with 0.45 -- there is an additional INF entry that is now inserted during PREPARE that is essential. I'm going to modify the notice for 0.45 to clarify that fact.

jdobbs
26th April 2004, 13:16
Originally posted by JDay
Could you automatically set the -interlaced and -nointerlaced options for QuEnc? It seems to just leave the settings as they were on the last run. Will do, I almost put it into 0.45, but I wanted to test it first.

brikin
26th April 2004, 13:39
JDobbs you are the man.........Did a complete rebuild last night with the DVD giving me the 0004 error and everything worked perfectly. Thanks for all the hard work.

uiucgrad
26th April 2004, 19:50
It sounds like I am having the same '9' problem as DDogg only with the the movie 28 Days Later. I have tried every version of DVD-R and none of them have worked yet. Please let me know if there is any information that I can provide to help track down this bug.

I just tried 0.45 with ReJig 5e witn no luck.

Xitrum
26th April 2004, 22:12
Hi,
I tried DVD-RB v0.45 last night on 2 DVDs that been giving me troubles.
The hounted mansion, which used to give me error #004 was successfully done without error.
The ABBA music DVD stil gime this error "Runtime Error '6' Overflow'

jdobbs
27th April 2004, 01:17
Originally posted by uiucgrad
It sounds like I am having the same '9' problem as DDogg only with the the movie 28 Days Later. I have tried every version of DVD-R and none of them have worked yet. Please let me know if there is any information that I can provide to help track down this bug.

I just tried 0.45 with ReJig 5e witn no luck. Have you tried any other movies?

PINOBIRD
27th April 2004, 15:06
jdobbs al my LPCM problems are passed.
For now I have backed up 7 dvds succesful at 100% score.
Thanks for the great work.

oCe
27th April 2004, 17:00
Tried v0.45, with CCE v2.67.00.23; did three movies without any problems with this version. All region-2, extra's encoded with Half D1, kept all audio-tracks and used dynamic bitrate adjustment. So far, so good, my compliments! All problems I had with previous versions on standalone (Pioneer) and with still-images seem far gone now. Though, 4th movie I did was Kill Bill vol 1, region 2. Preparation: perfect. Encoding: perfect. Phase III, rebuilding: runtime error '75': path/file-acces error.

EDIT! Forget it... for some strange reason the whole harddisk I was reading the original dvd from stopped functioning. After a reboot it was ok again, weird enough. Rebuilding goes without a hitch now! :)

unplugged
28th April 2004, 08:30
I have rebuilt "Random Hearts" with DVD-RB 0.45 (CCE), all went fine but main movie gets marked 4:3 when it's originally 16:9, so output ratio is distorted.
? :(

zarovka
28th April 2004, 09:33
Hi,
Thank's for this GREAT program !

I have small req, can you add Anti Noise option in Advanced settings for CCE ?

In ECL:
use_filter=1
filter_val=x

jdobbs
28th April 2004, 14:32
Originally posted by unplugged
I have rebuilt "Random Hearts" with DVD-RB 0.45 (CCE), all went fine but main movie gets marked 4:3 when it's originally 16:9, so output ratio is distorted.
? :( That is really odd. Do you mean it is marked as 16:9 in the video stream or in the IFO? Usually if it show up incorrectly on playback it is the IFO (I know you can create 4:3 sources that playback as 16:9 just by modifying the IFO).

The only time that IFO entry is modified is when you choose 16:9 -> 4:3 and that modification is in the other direction??? Anything significantly different about this DVD and any other?

jdobbs
28th April 2004, 14:33
Originally posted by zarovka
Hi,
Thank's for this GREAT program !

I have small req, can you add Anti Noise option in Advanced settings for CCE ?

In ECL:
use_filter=1
filter_val=x I don't see why not.

DDogg
28th April 2004, 15:05
I did 'ItalianJob' again last night without 1/2D1 using 2.67.00.27. It rebuilt ok. With 1/2D1 it throws a '9' on rebuild.

unplugged
28th April 2004, 15:29
Originally posted by jdobbs
That is really odd. Do you mean it is marked as 16:9 in the video stream or in the IFO? Usually if it show up incorrectly on playback it is the IFO (I know you can create 4:3 sources that playback as 16:9 just by modifying the IFO).

The only time that IFO entry is modified is when you choose 16:9 -> 4:3 and that modification is in the other direction??? Anything significantly different about this DVD and any other?
I think video is encoded perfectly, it's a matter of bad setting (flag in IFO I think...).
Original video is 16:9 whether is marked in IFO or stream, the DVD-RB result is set as 4:3. I haven't checked where is set, but PowerDVD displays correcly the original and badly the rebuilt version.
That option you meant isn't touched. (default)

wmansir
28th April 2004, 18:20
jdobbs,

I was just updating the settings guide and I had a quick question about the new "shutdown after 1-click" option.

The readme states the shutdown will occur "after the next 1-click execution". 1. How does this effect Batch mode? does it wait for all jobs to finish? and 2. I assume it only shuts down on a successful completion, right?

lab-one
29th April 2004, 03:27
@jdobbs

Put this request at the bottom of your mounting stack of things to do...

Would it be possible or reasonable to add a mouse-over type of status message to the dvd-rb task bar button? I personally would find this handy when I have the app minimized.

Your consideration is appreciated.

lab-one

edit: by status I mean, current progress eg. VTS_06 - 63% - Prepare (or something to that effect). During the encode process it would be more basic since CCE displays this information. Overall - 23% - Encode. Etcetera.

SAPSTAR
29th April 2004, 04:24
Originally posted by DDogg
I did 'ItalianJob' again last night without 1/2D1 using 2.67.00.27. It rebuilt ok. With 1/2D1 it throws a '9' on rebuild.

I did some experiments, and I noticed there are errors when the avg bitrate of a cell fall under 1000 bps, with the half space option it's frequent, but it can also happen without the option.

For example, on Saving Private Ryan, I had the '9' on rebuild (even without 1/2D1), I checked and the cell where there was an error was 983 bps, I changed the ECL file to 1500 bps....and it worked !!!

Paced
29th April 2004, 05:58
@jdobbs

Is it possible to add a 16:9 - 4:3 conversion option? Whenever I use half D1 on a 16:9 stream, one of my standalones does not like it at all - it looks like a 'pixelated column' is running down the middle of the screen, and anything in that column is unwatchable, whilst everything on the left/right of that column is fine. That probably doesn't make sense :)

sofa_2004au
29th April 2004, 07:05
Dear DVD Rebuilder

Would you please include an option for

* CCE Constant Bitrate encoding

rather than only using Variable bitrate

Regards Sofa

jesinka
29th April 2004, 07:26
DVDremake is great soft.Your soft is no.1 !! He is 100000x better than all.GREAT JOB .You can try writte in your DVD RB this ? click on right button mouse in extras and use button hide all block? its function built in DVDReMaKe.Its great future in DVD RB.try it pls....You can use too preview button on DVD RB ? thx jdobbs ----- you are big man !!

jesinka
29th April 2004, 08:59
:-)

DDogg
29th April 2004, 14:50
Originally posted by SAPSTAR
For example, on Saving Private Ryan, I had the '9' on rebuild (even without 1/2D1), I checked and the cell where there was an error was 983 bps, I changed the ECL file to 1500 bps....and it worked !!! I'll try to check this tonight on IJob. We are also testing the final RC of the new D2S/D so its hard to get enough time, but will try my best to verify your observations. Thanks.

robot1
29th April 2004, 15:16
@SAPSTAR and DDog
I've done a backup with half D1-half space, with no problem (and there were many cells with bitrate under 900).
Anyway, if I have an error 9 on rebuild I'll try to change the bitrate.

tf
29th April 2004, 15:26
I tried backing up Spiderman, half d1, half space too. When CCE 2.50 were 91% done, it froze on a sub 900kbit part. First freeze I've ever had in CCE.

This was with DVD Rebuilder 0.45.

-tf

CiViC
29th April 2004, 15:33
just out of curiosity..is multiangle/interleaved cell support gonna be thrown in any time soon?

Le_Zouave
29th April 2004, 15:38
Originally posted by jesinka
DVDremake is great soft.Your soft is no.1 !! He is 100000x better than all.GREAT JOB .You can try writte in your DVD RB this ? click on right button mouse in extras and use button hide all block? its function built in DVDReMaKe.Its great future in DVD RB.try it pls....You can use too preview button on DVD RB ? thx jdobbs ----- you are big man !!

I think it's better to leave all the "hidding" process to DVDremake, personnaly before using DVD-RB I use DVDremake to hide unwanted part of a DVD and edit the menu according to it. For example I hide all the warning screen and unneeded bonuses then edit the menu and finaly I edit the menu to hide the button in audio menu that will be stripped with DVD-RB, the combination of DVD-RB and DVDremake is great.

There is just one thing that anoy me in DVD-RB is that when I use half/d1 half bitrate for bonuses I always get a result around 4.20 Gb and without this option around 4.31 Gb. I use CCE SP and as you know, bitrate control with it is really acurate so it may need some optimisation to get a good 4.35 Gb.
Finaly it's just my opinion but I think that encoding the entire movie give better result than encoding by chapter but I already red that it's because of CCE basic that don't give I-Frame between chapter. And I only experienced it with DVD2DVD-R but using a minimum bitrate of 0 and a max bitrate of 9800 minus all the audio and sub-picture stream give a great result as this take advantage of simple picture as credit, for example on 2001 a space odysey there is a lot of black screen and the bitrate go as low as 0.3 MB and it help for more complex scene.

Anyway this is the only soft that alow to use CCE SP and keep the menu. Thanks for this awesome soft.

RobertR
29th April 2004, 16:05
Originally posted by Le_Zouave
There is just one thing that anoy me in DVD-RB is that when I use half/d1 half bitrate for bonuses I always get a result around 4.20 Gb and without this option around 4.31 Gb. I use CCE SP and as you know, bitrate control with it is really acurate so it may need some optimisation to get a good 4.35 Gb.
If it happens all the time than maybe You should try fiddling with CCETargetSectors? This might get You closer to 4.35GB target.
Anyway this is the only soft that alow to use CCE SP and keep the menu. Thanks for this awesome soft.
Well. There is also Big3 :D

Le_Zouave
29th April 2004, 16:56
Originally posted by RobertR
If it happens all the time than maybe You should try fiddling with CCETargetSectors? This might get You closer to 4.35GB target.

Well. There is also Big3 :D

Yeah I'll try modify it in the ini. But for Big 3 it's not A soft, it's 3 frontend and event if it's less complicated than doing without them, it's way more complicated than DVD-RB. Yeah I admit it, I'm too stupid for the big 3 method.

jesinka
29th April 2004, 17:09
i have same problem with DVD size after usin CCE with DVD RB.My all dvd have 4.21 gb. :(((

jdobbs
29th April 2004, 17:09
Originally posted by CiViC
just out of curiosity..is multiangle/interleaved cell support gonna be thrown in any time soon? Yeah. Unfortunately my full-time job has kept me fully employed (plus some) all this week and I haven't had much time to work on this. Given the response I've had to donations so far -- I don't think I'll be giving it up any time soon;) I used my vacation last week to kill a lot of bugs -- so in the meantime nights and weekends are all I have to work with, and I haven't had a lot of nights this week.

Joergen
29th April 2004, 19:02
Keep up the great work 'dobbsy! ;)

Suggestion: I was preparing a project and it was already half through when I thought "hmm did I uncheck that option" and I aborted it to see that all was okay (wasted some time cause I'm dumb).

Perhaps you could post some of the features that are enabled in the status screen when you hit rebuild, like:

---------------
-Remove DTS enabled
-Dynamic allocation enabled
-Removed GER, FRA, SPA audio
---------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 00:00:00
....

That way you can just scroll up and down to see what is going on, while Preparation is in progress.

jdobbs
29th April 2004, 19:05
Originally posted by Joergen
Keep up the great work 'dobbsy! ;)

Suggestion: I was preparing a project and it was already half through when I thought "hmm did I uncheck that option" and I aborted it to see that all was okay (wasted some time cause I'm dumb).

Perhaps you could post some of the features that are enabled in the status screen when you hit rebuild, like:

---------------
-Remove DTS enabled
-Dynamic allocation enabled
-Removed GER, FRA, SPA audio
---------------
Phase I, PREPARATION started at 00:00:00
....

That way you can just scroll up and down to see what is going on, while Preparation is in progress. That's a good idea! I've run into that myself.

SAPSTAR
29th April 2004, 19:07
Originally posted by jdobbs
Yeah. Unfortunately my full-time job has kept me fully employed (plus some) all this week and I haven't had much time to work on this. Given the response I've had to donations so far -- I don't think I'll be giving it up any time soon;) I used my vacation last week to kill a lot of bugs -- so in the meantime nights and weekends are all I have to work with, and I haven't had a lot of nights this week.

He guys, those who haven't donate....just press the button, I saw the number of downloads for DVD-RB, by now jdobbs should be a richguy !!!

Don't be dumb, and donate !

sup191
29th April 2004, 20:25
Originally posted by SAPSTAR
He guys, those who haven't donate....just press the button, I saw the number of downloads for DVD-RB, by now jdobbs should be a richguy !!!

Don't be dumb, and donate !



While I agree that people who use this proggy a lot should donate something to jdobbs for all his hard work, you're assuming that everybody who downloaded the program is actually still using it. A lot of people try it out and feel it's not for them. I'm sure you didn't mean to insult everybody who hasn't donated by calling them dumb. Maybe next time add a smiley! :)


jdobbs,

Maybe when this program hits v1.0, you could add a list of handles of the people who donated. It'd be our few seconds of fame in donationware history! :rolleyes:

topsare
29th April 2004, 20:38
Originally posted by SAPSTAR
He guys, those who haven't donate....just press the button, I saw the number of downloads for DVD-RB, by now jdobbs should be a richguy !!!
You are right SAPSTAR.
Just made my first donation to this amazing piece of software to encourage jdobbs to continue.

I just wish the problems with subs and audio sync will be fixed soon :thanks:

Topsare

mpennel
30th April 2004, 00:57
Ditto here. I just left my donation via Paypal. Thanks again for all of your hard work on this program! It is "da bomb" that's for sure! I can't wait to see what gets added next. I hope this makes everyone else on this forum who hasn't donated, and uses the program to wake up and smell the roses! This program is only going to get better, especially if we support it!:)

Mark

Redbacks
30th April 2004, 01:59
A lazy $50.00 USD on it's way to you jdobbs... Keep up the great work. Well worth it and appreciated.

Cheers.

jdobbs
30th April 2004, 02:33
Originally posted by Redbacks
A lazy $50.00 USD on it's way to you jdobbs... Keep up the great work. Well worth it and appreciated.

Cheers. Thanks, Redbacks. And thanks to all the donators... I'll do my best to make sure your trust and generosity is rewarded!!!

jdobbs
30th April 2004, 02:37
Originally posted by sup191
While I agree that people who use this proggy a lot should donate something to jdobbs for all his hard work, you're assuming that everybody who downloaded the program is actually still using it. A lot of people try it out and feel it's not for them. I'm sure you didn't mean to insult everybody who hasn't donated by calling them dumb. Maybe next time add a smiley! :)


jdobbs,

Maybe when this program hits v1.0, you could add a list of handles of the people who donated. It'd be our few seconds of fame in donationware history! :rolleyes: That's a not a bad idea, but when I get a donation most of the time all I see is an EMail address, and I don't think anyone would want to publish that. What they will get after v1.0 is special consideration for any suggested enhancements and bug reports, automatic notification of updates, and a very appreciative jdobbs.

sup191
30th April 2004, 05:32
Originally posted by jdobbs
That's a not a bad idea, but when I get a donation most of the time all I see is an EMail address, and I don't think anyone would want to publish that. What they will get after v1.0 is special consideration for any suggested enhancements and bug reports, automatic notification of updates, and a very appreciative jdobbs.


That's good enough for me! I'll gladly donate again after my next paycheck. The only problem I'm having currently is an audio sync problem with Fletch Lives. I posted more info about it in the bug report thread. There are a few others having the same type issue. I'm hoping it's not on all my backups as I don't rewatch the whole movie after encoding - I just sorta skim through it to check the quality.

Thanks again for such an awesome program!!

SLA
30th April 2004, 17:51
Hi

i don't know if it was already mentioned but is it possible to add another Feature which resizes the Framesize for extra-stuff to 352x288(Pal, 352x240 NTSC)? This is an official DVD Resolution and gives MUCH better quality (using CCE) compared to Half-D1. Please give it a try :rolleyes: :) :)

P.S. great work!

Joergen
30th April 2004, 17:55
I'm against resizing vertically cause then you lose the fields and smooth framerate. This is especially bad for the extras that are usually either CAM material or even NTSC->PAL. You'd have double ghosting if you blend the fields for a 352x288 resolution.

SLA
30th April 2004, 18:23
@Joergen

You might be right...theoretically.
Please try both: Encode some extra stuff
@ 352x576@1200kbit and
@ 352x288@1200kbit

And tell me which one LOOKS better. There is no reason for me not to resize vertically, because i want best quality not some technical aspects which could theoretically decrease picture quality.

Joergen
30th April 2004, 18:32
I have tried, back in the VCD days and frankly losing half the frames in 50/60fps material plus losing resolution is not acceptable nor necessary for DVD.

But I do recommend not going below ~2000kbit average for most half-d1 material.

SLA
30th April 2004, 18:53
But I do recommend not going below ~2000kbit average for most half-d1 material. [/B]

This is the Problem. Most DVDs i want to backup with RB are ~8GB. And i dont want to waste 2000+ kbit for extra stuff. With such high bitrates the amount of space for main movie drops to a non-acceptable size. So i guess you are watching Main Movies encoded @ 2000kbit full resolution and extra stuff @ 3000kbit :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I also just asked if it would be possible to add this feature. I didnt asked you to use it or handle it the way i do. And if jdobbs wont include it i'll make a workaround for me

Joergen
30th April 2004, 18:59
From what I've done now (about 15 discs) the dynamic bit allocation works great in respect to extras, as the original discs usually have around 2/3 or half the bitrate of the main movie, which is translated to the backup via the dynamic bit allocation feature.

You can examine the bit distribution of the REBUILDER.ECL with ECL Optimizer and see how it works.

The lowest main movie encode I've done so far was 3500kbit and the movie was PROGRESSIVE and 2.35:1 (black bars) thus able to handle lesser bitrates, and came out excellent. In addition the extras looked fabulous.

SLA
30th April 2004, 19:19
3500kbit minimum? How do you do that? If i use a
bitrate calculator with following settings:
Filmlength: 2h
Audio: 2x448kbit
Other Iso stuff (menu etc.): 300mb
than i just get a average bitrate of ~3800 kbit and there is only Main-Movie, no Extra stuff (which is ~90 mins for Blade 2)

Joergen
30th April 2004, 19:32
Your problem is the audio 2x448kbit part which is a no-no for normal movies. Then you can also remove some subtitles to gain another 20-50MB. Test the compressibility of the menu through dvd-shrink and compress it 75-80% if it still looks as good as the original. Strip out menu languages if they exist.

And yes indeed the smallest average bitrate I've yet seen was around 3500kbit for all titles combined. This was with "Hollywood homicide" by means of compressing the menu 80%, removing the 2.0 stereo track (no need for it) and keeping the 5.1 DD one.

If you want to go down the "purist" line of not removing useless audio tracks, then you'll have some trouble trying to compress a movie that has a DTS track, two 5.1 language tracks that alone take up half of the disc. Not to mention some movies that have 1GB+ of unreferenced material :)

insanescape
30th April 2004, 19:38
what's unreferenced material anyway?

Joergen
30th April 2004, 19:47
It's dummy material that has no references to itself anywhere on the disc, ie like a page on a web site that no other page links to when you arrive through the web address (insert the disc) :) It's there taking up space but you never see it.

The largest I've seen was 1.6GB. Disney usually uses a huge 400-600MB black section full of I-frames that is tens of minutes long and doesnt compress nearly at all in a transcoder, yet its not necessarily unreferenced either. That can be taken care of with DVDRemake, DVDStripper or even Titlesetblanker if its in a VTS alone.

robw
30th April 2004, 20:00
.

djkilla
1st May 2004, 18:37
?

Harm
1st May 2004, 20:08
I already posted this in a bug report to find out that part of it was a suggestion.........

- What's the use of naming the first button Prepare when starting rebuilder and changing it to Process after the first preparation?
- There is no option to clear out path settings (besides deleting the line out of the ini file) or am I missing it?

jdobbs
1st May 2004, 21:15
Originally posted by Harm
I already posted this in a bug report to find out that part of it was a suggestion.........

- What's the use of naming the first button Prepare when starting rebuilder and changing it to Process after the first preparation?
- There is no option to clear out path settings (besides deleting the line out of the ini file) or am I missing it?

1. No use at all... in fact I never even noticed it said "Process" after running it, that was left over from when I first started coding it. It's fixed.

2. Nope, you're right. I'll fix that.

Joergen
1st May 2004, 21:27
Jdobbs: While youre fixing that, this simple quirck has followed DVD-RB for a long time; the save button in the options is greyed out if you tick or untick the Remove DTS option (so you have to click on some of the language stuff to be able to save). :)

jdobbs
2nd May 2004, 05:29
New Version

A new version has been released. Versions will be available from a single Sticky from here on out. You may want to subscribe to that thread if you want to stay current.

The latest version can be found here. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75452)

wmansir
2nd May 2004, 05:48
jdobbs, are you still planning to implement anything with CCE 3:2 pulldown detect? I only ask because it is still a grayed out option on the menu and I don't think it would be very useful with the new way you handle RFF, which is much better for hybrid material than anything CCE could produce.

wink
2nd May 2004, 06:02
I have some problem with backing up ntsc region 1 music dvd. The disc is interlaced, bff. I have tried with decomb, disable interlace etc. The dvd while plays keep stutter/freezing on same specific parts throughout the music for couple seconds. It happens with all dvd rebuilder up until v 0.45. When trying to back up with Big3 method, it plays fine. That leads me to believe that the image is good. I have wasted about 5-6 disks trying to backup that one disk so far. Suggestions are appreciated. thanks

jdobbs
2nd May 2004, 06:02
Originally posted by wmansir
jdobbs, are you still planning to implement anything with CCE 3:2 pulldown detect? I only ask because it is still a grayed out option on the menu and I don't think it would be very useful with the new way you handle RFF, which is much better for hybrid material than anything CCE could produce. Good point. I'd forgotten it was there. I'll remove it for the next version.

jdobbs
2nd May 2004, 06:09
Originally posted by wink
I have some problem with backing up ntsc region 1 music dvd. The disc is interlaced, bff. I have tried with decomb, disable interlace etc. The dvd while plays keep stutter/freezing on same specific parts throughout the music for couple seconds. It happens with all dvd rebuilder up until v 0.45. When trying to back up with Big3 method, it plays fine. That leads me to believe that the image is good. I have wasted about 5-6 disks trying to backup that one disk so far. Suggestions are appreciated. thanks Could you tell me the name of the DVD? I've done testing with BFF and it worked successfully. Also, please try v0.46 -- I'd suggest an investment in a DVD-RW or +RW, those discs would have paid for it! :)

wink
2nd May 2004, 06:47
it's asian music video :) that is one disc i had tried to back up and it keeps give me the same problem everytime. At first i thought it was the disk image being corrupted or didn't decrypt correctly so i use the big 3 methods. The picture comes out perfect. No freezing/stuttering at the trouble spot. The picture is perfect on windvd but only give problem on stanalone unit. I tested on the samsung & apex ad-1500 unit. I also have the same stuttering/freezing problem with another asian music video. This time it's interlace/TFF. Maybe it's time for me to get those dvd-rw disk. I'll try to make it more details next time.
CCE 2.5
Avisynth 2.54
Decomb 511
MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
ritek & princo disk

I do backup other movie with extras (interlace/TFF) and the result is perfect. No new software are installed the whole time. In the meantime, I'll look more into DVD Players that "stutter" with DVD-RB Authored Discs thread. Thanks jdobbs.

JDay
2nd May 2004, 07:30
It looks like interlaced/progressive settings still aren't set for QuEnc...

jdobbs
2nd May 2004, 11:16
Originally posted by JDay
It looks like interlaced/progressive settings still aren't set for QuEnc... Sorry, it got late and I decided to go with what I had -- there were some important bug fixes that had to take priority.

DVD Maniac
2nd May 2004, 11:41
At the risk of adding even more to this mega thread some suggestions for future feature improvements of this great tool (in no particular order).

1. Ability to resize menus
2. Ability to set % resize to all Titles (not just Title Sets)
3. Target specific Titles to be "stripped" (either by single frame replacement or blank title)
4. Full Audio stream stripping correction. Currently, if you strip the default audio-stream then the resulting output plays the stripped default stream (ie silence). Some correction of the PGC's command table is required.
5. Sub Titke Stripping

These suggested enhancements are in no means meant as a complaint and I realise that there may be a lot of effort involved in implementing some of these features - so please no comments about me being too "picky". In fact, other than no 2. all the above can be accomplished using a two step process with the other one-clickers and Rebuilder and some manual intervention - it would be great to have everything done in one app :)

jdobbs
2nd May 2004, 11:52
Originally posted by DVD Maniac
At the risk of adding even more to this mega thread some suggestions for future feature improvements of this great tool (in no particular order).

1. Ability to resize menus
2. Ability to set % resize to all Titles (not just Title Sets)
3. Target specific Titles to be "stripped" (either by single frame replacement or blank title)
4. Full Audio stream stripping correction. Currently, if you strip the default audio-stream then the resulting output plays the stripped default stream (ie silence). Some correction of the PGC's command table is required.
5. Sub Titke Stripping

These suggested enhancements are in no means meant as a complaint and I realise that there may be a lot of effort involved in implementing some of these features - so please no comments about me being too "picky". In fact, other than no 2. all the above can be accomplished using a two step process with the other one-clickers and Rebuilder and some manual intervention - it would be great to have everything done in one app :)

1. Planned.
2. Not sure it will be worth the effort, but possibly.
3. Planned.
4. Planned. I hope to have "cross-mapping" of sub-streams added.
5. Probably won't happen -- the size of subtitles are just to small for the bother

NobbyNobbs
2nd May 2004, 15:39
@JDobbs

Even if I agree that the subtitle files are small, try finding the norvegian subtitles with the subtitle button on some european DVDīs, after between 15-18 keypresses you will understand why a lot of us prefer removing subtitles.

PS never uses the subs myself if watching a movie alone, but some movies are better when you are 2 :D

StifflerStealth
2nd May 2004, 17:55
For the "source path" we need to select x:\path\to\DVD_Name\VIDEO_TS folder. Instead, can you have it so we need to just select X:\path\to\DVD_Name. Then you could have the program scan that directory for JACKET_P and PC_DVD content and transfer that stuff over to the directory selected in working path. Is there any PC_DVD stuff in the IFO files? I have some InterAcual DVDs that have cool content for the PC that I would like to keep. There also might be other content on the disc that I am not thinking of that could be transfered as well.

psdos
2nd May 2004, 19:47
why not support RB Ilvu? it is very difficult? thanks

jdobbs
2nd May 2004, 19:56
Originally posted by psdos
why not support RB Ilvu? it is very difficult? thanks I've just put off some features until the program was stable.

Joergen
2nd May 2004, 21:10
Great job with 0.46 again jdobbs!

About the subtitle stripping, I agree they're usually (9/10) around 15-20MB total on an R2 disc, but the biggest I've seen was nearer to 80MB with lots of commentary subtitles that were almost 10MB a piece (according to dvdshrink).

R1 discs prolly dont have more than english, french and spanish subs but R2 discs have around 10 subtitles most of the time and up to the wrong side of 20.

unplugged
3rd May 2004, 23:11
jdobbs, could you adopt "mpeg2source("source.d2v",idct=7)" model in your default avs scripts, idct7 (simpleIDCT code from libavcodec) is best qualitywise and fast as others and with all CPUs (only idct5, for SSE2 and P4s, is little faster but slightly worse with quality).
From mpeg2dec3 doc:
iDCT : iDCT algo used.
0 : Default value (in .d2v file)
1 : 32 bit MMX
2 : 32 bit SSEMMX
3 : 64 bit FPU
4 : 64 bit IEEE-1180 Reference
5 : 32 bit SSE2 (for P4)
6 : Skal's SSEMMX iDCT (fastest)
7 : SimpleiDCT (Very accurate iDCT from XviD project)
default : 0

[BMC]
3rd May 2004, 23:33
Great job on the latest version. I successfully backed up 2 dvds that I was unable to back up by any other methods.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT!!!

jdobbs
3rd May 2004, 23:37
Originally posted by unplugged
jdobbs, could you adopt "mpeg2source("source.d2v",idct=7)" model in your default avs scripts, idct7 (simpleIDCT code from libavcodec) is best qualitywise and fast as others and with all CPUs (only idct5, for SSE2 and P4s, is little faster but slightly worse with quality).
From mpeg2dec3 doc:
iDCT : iDCT algo used.
0 : Default value (in .d2v file)
1 : 32 bit MMX
2 : 32 bit SSEMMX
3 : 64 bit FPU
4 : 64 bit IEEE-1180 Reference
5 : 32 bit SSE2 (for P4)
6 : Skal's SSEMMX iDCT (fastest)
7 : SimpleiDCT (Very accurate iDCT from XviD project)
default : 0 I've never used this option. Are you positive it will have no negative affects?

jdobbs
3rd May 2004, 23:38
Originally posted by [BMC]
Great job on the latest version. I successfully backed up 2 dvds that I was unable to back up by any other methods.

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT!!! Great news.

DDogg
4th May 2004, 01:04
jdobbs, there is something nagging me in the back of my head about that idct line. Enough to suggest you get nic or RB to weigh in on the subject.

quantum
4th May 2004, 02:01
Defaults are there for a reason. I wouldn't change them unless you're positive.

deh707
4th May 2004, 02:47
while trying to burn the VIDEO_TS folder in NERO, i get this:

6:42:09 PM #2 DVDREALLOC -22 File DVDVideoCompilation.cpp, Line 1177
File 'VTS_02_0.VOB' is not referenced and should not be present

6:42:09 PM #3 Phase 115 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1841
DVD-Video files reallocation failed

the file VTS_02_0.VOB is 0 bytes, should i just delete it?

by the way, i am using the matrix revolutions dvd.


update, the original matrix revolutions dvd that i ripped in FILE MODE with dvd decryptor gave me a 0 byte VTS_02_0.VOB file, too.
what's going on?

Joergen
4th May 2004, 03:01
:search:

This is about the 8th time this has been brought up. Just delete the file like nero tells you to! (not referenced and SHOULD NOT BE PRESENT = GET RID OF IT) :D

And btw this is the comments thread not a bug report thread, eventhough thats not a bug.

onesoul
4th May 2004, 03:14
Hey, this is just a crazy thought but since procoder is so popular with interlaced sources (and quoting mb1 maybe because "it's the only encoder who supports field picture structure" although it doesn't define if output is progressive or not, like what was said before) and interlaced encoding by cce or others (except for dvdshrink/recode which I had good results, maybe I did something wrong but rejig didn't please me that much) isn't good, how about supporting procoder to handle that interlaced vts's and let cce (or other of your choice) to encode the progressive ones. This would mean the possible use of two engines in the same dvd, is it possible just for the thought? :)
Note that only procoder 1.5 and above accepts avisynth files.

EddieTH
4th May 2004, 03:58
I just started working with CCE Basic 2.69.01.04 and I noticed that while they have added Quantization Characteristics in this version, DVD Rebuilder still doesn't use it for ECL files in Basic mode.

Video Dude
4th May 2004, 04:21
jdobbs, great work on the program!

I have a suggestion:

With some black and white movies there is a problem with rainbows. Some movies are authored poorly to begin with and other times when they are re-encoded with a low bitrate rainbows tend to show up. Adding Greyscale() to the AviSynth files seems to clear up this rainbow problem, even when encoding at low bitrates.

In the advanced options, could you add the option Greyscale() like you did for Decomb? This would help solve the rainbow problem with black and white films.

Thanks again for providing us with such a great program.

FreQi
4th May 2004, 05:25
Are there plans to impliment a way to pause encoding?

I don't know how DVD-RB deals with other encoders, but when using CCE, I noticed that it's encoding each cell, feeding one ecl at a time to CCE. Would it be possible to have DVD-RB pause between ecl's and remember it's state to allow resuming from the next cell at a later time?

I sometimes find myself needing to reboot or capture a tv show while in the middle of an encode, and if DVD-RB would just hold off on sending the next job to CCE, I could do that.

And BTW, I am incredibly happy with this app. THANK YOU.

borgraf
4th May 2004, 05:42
Originally posted by FreQi
Are there plans to impliment a way to pause encoding?
Not keeping track of our posts are we? ;)
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75069&

This is one for the FAQ :)