DVD Rebuilder (CCE One-Click Beta) Bug Reports [Archive] - Page 4

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 14:44

Originally posted by wmansir
@jdobbs

I was checking out .29 and I noticed in the Rebuilder.INF pulldown was set to =1 even for material that shouldn't need it (frame_rate_code=4). Should it be this way?

[V01002100002001]
SCR=.000
PTS=29707.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=1
Last_Sector=2885224
Reduction=53.4

I'll admit I was planing to monkey around with some manual IVTC, but I wasn't going to bother you if it messed up.

Also, none of the .avs scripts addaudio, even though I have the option set. I used .29b . I am GLAD you saw that... I'm looking at it...

Added later: Actually this is right -- the pulldown is set based upon how many RFFs were flagged in the source. This just means that it is probably a mix of telecined and non-telecined, but enough telecined to choose pulldown...

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:03

Originally posted by DDogg
JDobbs, nothing like this is being added to the scripts that I can see. You note this is only for CCE 2.5, but as RB mentioned, it is needed in later versions because of the memory problem in multipass. Wouldn't it be better to just put it in all the scripts, no matter what the version? Maybe I missed a subsequent post between you guys on that.

Oh, just to state the obvious, incredible job! The AudioDub(BlankClip()) line is added to the script if checked (the default) under Options/AVS regardless of the encoder -- I shouldn't have added the confusing additional text to option...

Discoboy

4th April 2004, 15:08

@jdobbs - just left you a donation for this great appl.

Still got major stuttering probs with the latest 029b beta when processing Matrix Revolutions PAL. History:

028beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters

029 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- stuttering every 2 seconds on video

029b beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- Stuttering every 2 seconds on video
- Audio out of stink now at the 2 second stutter issue

Do you have any ideas?

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:09

To any of the PAL experts out there:

Currently I am examining the input stream and if the picture_structure parameter is set to FRAME_PICTURE I am setting the output in CCE to progressive=1 and alternate_scan=0. I've heard that some streams may show as interlaced but have this set -- that seems strange to me, as I have to believe the decoder would get terribly confused -- but since I'm not in PAL-land... Are the settings correct?

It appears that I've wounded the PAL processing in V0.29...

Discoboy

4th April 2004, 15:15

Anyone got a link to the PAL friendly 028beta version for me to down again;)

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:23

Originally posted by Discoboy
Anyone got a link to the PAL friendly 028beta version for me to down again;) I'll post .30 and fix it if I can get some feedback on the correct settings.

Paced

4th April 2004, 15:23

Originally posted by Discoboy
Anyone got a link to the PAL friendly 028beta version for me to down again;)

You might actually want to go back to 0.26 :), .27-8 had re-authoring issues.

hypo20

4th April 2004, 15:23

Originally posted by jdobbs
To any of the PAL experts out there:

Currently I am examining the input stream and if the picture_structure parameter is set to FRAME_PICTURE I am setting the output in CCE to progressive=1 and alternate_scan=0. I've heard that some streams may show as interlaced but have this set -- that seems strange to me, as I have to believe the decoder would get terribly confused -- but since I'm not in PAL-land... Are the settings correct?

It appears that I've wounded the PAL processing in V0.29...

I think yes. Got DVD with progresive frames and streams are shown as interlaced. everything is ok to me.

Discoboy

4th April 2004, 15:24

Ready and waiting to test 0.30 beta and give feedback;)

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:25

Originally posted by hypo20
I think yes. Got DVD with progresive frames and streams are shown as interlaced. everything is ok to me. So a PAL DVD with progressive frames is working ok?

Paced

4th April 2004, 15:28

Originally posted by jdobbs
So a PAL DVD with progressive frames is working ok?

A PAL DVD with progressive streams is fine; your settings are correct (progressive=1, alternate_scan=0). But I can't say the same for a PAL DVD with (truly) interlaced streams.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:30

Originally posted by Paced
A PAL DVD with progressive streams is fine; your settings are correct (progressive=1, alternate_scan=0). But I can't say the same for a PAL DVD with (truly) interlaced streams. Are you saying it is wrong for interlaced, or that you haven't tested it? If there is a problem I want to fix this right away.

hypo20

4th April 2004, 15:30

Originally posted by jdobbs
So a PAL DVD with progressive frames is working ok?

To me it is working flawlessly. :D

Paced

4th April 2004, 15:34

Originally posted by jdobbs
Are you saying it is wrong for interlaced, or that you haven't tested it? If there is a problem I want to fix this right away.

Have you read a few posts up? (p. 38) I posted a possible issue with DVD-RB, where it gives an interlaced stream the same settings it gives a progressive stream (progressive=1/alternate_scan=0). It is occurring everytime I prepare this DVD (the right settings for an interlaced PAL stream = progressive=0/alternate_scan=1/top_first=0).

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:34

Originally posted by Discoboy
@jdobbs - just left you a donation for this great appl.

Still got major stuttering probs with the latest 029b beta when processing Matrix Revolutions PAL. History:

028beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters

029 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- stuttering every 2 seconds on video

029b beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- Stuttering every 2 seconds on video
- Audio out of stink now at the 2 second stutter issue

Do you have any ideas? Can you post the contents of the REBUILDER.INF file for a few of the segments? I need to see what is the issue on this one.

Paced

4th April 2004, 15:35

Edit, mistake.

Discoboy

4th April 2004, 15:36

As requested:

[Status]
mode=1
Progress=2
CCEType=1
[V01000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=4826.000
Frame_Rate_Code=3
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=5625
Last_Sector=85685
Reduction=82.9
[V01000100001002]
SCR=20248283.427
PTS=20254826.000
Frame_Rate_Code=3
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=5211
Last_Sector=157440
Reduction=82.9
[V01000200001003]
SCR=39005622.857
PTS=39014426.000
Frame_Rate_Code=3
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=3999
Last_Sector=215878
Reduction=82.9
[V01000300001004]
SCR=53403355.427
PTS=53410826.000

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 15:44

[V01000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=4826.000
Frame_Rate_Code=3
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=5625
Last_Sector=85685
Reduction=82.9Pulldown on a PAL (Frame_Rate_Code=3) stream????

Looking at this I'm seeing the structure as PROGRESSIVE (3=FRAME_PICTURE)

Discoboy

4th April 2004, 15:58

@jdobbs - any ideas as to why PULLDOWN is being turned ON on my PAL project?

Stive

4th April 2004, 16:08

FYI. Above comments were PAl so just to let you know, I completed NTSC LOTRings 2 with 29b and have the chapter stutter also. Can't verify the sound sync/stutter as I must have clicked off all the sound.:( According to your posts above, it looks like you have a fix to implement in v30. Great news.

Edit: CCE2.5 and elc1.7

4th April 2004, 16:10

Originally posted by jdobbs
To any of the PAL experts out there:

Currently I am examining the input stream and if the picture_structure parameter is set to FRAME_PICTURE I am setting the output in CCE to progressive=1 and alternate_scan=0.
Not good :) FRAME_PICTURE can still be interlaced. Actually field picture streams are rarely seen on PAL DVDs. You must examine the progressive_frame flag and only if that is set to 1 you can be sure it's actually progressive.

4th April 2004, 16:21

Originally posted by jdobbs
Pulldown on a PAL (Frame_Rate_Code=3) stream????

Looking at this I'm seeing the structure as PROGRESSIVE (3=FRAME_PICTURE)
Actually, it might happen... I recently backed up "Once upon a Time in Mexico" PAL R2 German (not using DVD-RB) and noticed that at the end of the D2V for some of the trailers on this disc, the pattern suddenly jumped from the typical PAL "2 2 2 2 2..." to a typical NTSC telecine pattern "0 3 2 1 0 3 2 1..." But that was only for the last probably 30-50 frames.

I think this is an authoring error and not much you could do about it, just never force film or run pulldown for PAL.

wmansir

4th April 2004, 16:26

Originally posted by jdobbs
I am GLAD you saw that... I'm looking at it...

Added later: Actually this is right -- the pulldown is set based upon how many RFFs were flagged in the source. This just means that it is probably a mix of telecined and non-telecined, but enough telecined to choose pulldown...

That is definitly not the case for this source. The entire VOB set (VTS02) is 98% NTSC and it is 100% NTSC until the very last bit (according to d2v). So there is just a little FILM material in there. I should have posted more of the .INF before, I picked a bad example since it was a still frame. Here is the entire VTS02 set:

[V02000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=13520
Last_Sector=144933
Reduction=53.4
[V02000100002001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=29353
Last_Sector=460534
Reduction=53.4
[V02000200003001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=2859
Last_Sector=490979
Reduction=53.4
[V02000300004001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=2036
Last_Sector=512340
Reduction=53.4
[V02000400005001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=2314
Last_Sector=529485
Reduction=53.4
[V02000500006001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=37179
Last_Sector=931402
Reduction=53.4
[V02000600007001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=4138
Last_Sector=975291
Reduction=53.4
[V02000700008001]
SCR=.000
PTS=29707.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=1
Structure=3
Frames=1
Last_Sector=975295
Reduction=53.4

All the .avs files for VTS02 are at 29.97fps, and the .ecl uses frame_rate_code=4 for the VTS set. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I assumed the pulldown=1 was used to indicate pulldown to be performed when authoring? Is that incorrect?

chadp1a

4th April 2004, 16:33

@jdobbs

I was having problems with interlaced material using version .29b so I just ran Phase I step using version .30 and the avs files created have no reference to decomb. I have checked the menu option to decomb and also set the path to decomb in the setup options for RB.

Here's the AVS

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:03, CELLID:01
#------------------
mpeg2source("G:\TEMP4\D2VAVS\V02A.D2V")
trim(15450,19544)
ConvertToYUY2()

Here is the section of the rebiulder.inf

[V02000200003001]
SCR=.000
PTS=25257.000
Frame_Rate_Code=4
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=4095
Last_Sector=216954
Reduction=53.7

When loading the VTS in question thru DVD2AVI it flashes interlaced and film back and forth.

Any ideas to my problem?

After posting this I did noticed that pulldown is set to 0 now so will that correct the problem?

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 16:34

Originally posted by RB
Not good :) FRAME_PICTURE can still be interlaced. Actually field picture streams are rarely seen on PAL DVDs. You must examine the progressive_frame flag and only if that is set to 1 you can be sure it's actually progressive. Cool. I just posted 0.30 and fixed the PULLDOWN with PAL bug. I'll make a quick mod to use the progressive flag as the determining factor...

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 16:35

Originally posted by Discoboy
@jdobbs - any ideas as to why PULLDOWN is being turned ON on my PAL project? Yeah, I screwed the pooch. Download 0.30.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 16:37

Originally posted by wmansir
That is definitly not the case for this source. The entire VOB set (VTS02) is 98% NTSC and it is 100% NTSC until the very last bit (according to d2v). So there is just a little FILM material in there. I should have posted more of the .INF before, I picked a bad example since it was a still frame. Here is the entire VTS02 set:

All the .avs files for VTS02 are at 29.97fps, and the .ecl uses frame_rate_code=4 for the VTS set. Perhaps I was mistaken, but I assumed the pulldown=1 was used to indicate pulldown to be performed when authoring? Is that incorrect? This should be fixed in 0.30 -- I was using the wrong flag (duh...) to determine pulldown in the rebuild... I must have been a little tired right about then.

P3gasus

4th April 2004, 17:06

Just tested dvdrb with a progressive-tagged-interlaced pal source. It's setting correctly it as progressive in ecl files. It setted also the zigzag options while the vobs are tagged as alternate.
Great job jdobbs!

4th April 2004, 17:11

Hmm, are you using v0.30? If the source is actually tagged interlaced/alternate, DVD-RB should set up the ECL the same way.

P3gasus

4th April 2004, 17:16

@RB

Yes I'm using .30. But as far as I understood, jdobbs was searching an algorithm to find the real nature of pal video. Or maybe I'm missing something and you are right.
Bye

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 17:21

Originally posted by P3gasus
Just tested dvdrb with a progressive-tagged-interlaced pal source. It's setting correctly it as progressive in ecl files. It setted also the zigzag options while the vobs are tagged as alternate.
Great job jdobbs! Thanks for the input. If I appear confused... I am.

You are saying that PAL can be interlaced but have the progressive flag set. RB is telling me that there can be a FRAME_PICTURE set when the source is interlaced... You also never (or almost never) get BOTTOM_FIELD or TOP_FIELD when interlaced is being streamed.

So exactly how can you tell if a PAL source is interlaced or progressive? I'm starting to think that NTSC with it's several possible frame rate and pulldown combinations isn't nearly as bad as I once thought!!!

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 17:24

Can someone give me some feedback on 0.30 and a PAL interlaced source that is flagged as interlaced?

4th April 2004, 17:28

Originally posted by jdobbs
So exactly how can you tell if a PAL source is interlaced or progressive?
The progressive_frame flag is all that counts here for PAL.

4th April 2004, 17:31

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks for the input. If I appear confused... I am.

You are saying that PAL can be interlaced but have the progressive flag set.

By saying "progressive-tagged-interlaced" P3gasus most likely means "the video looks progressive in my software player but BitrateViewer would tell me it's interlaced". P3gasus, right?

Again, there's no such thing as "progressive-tagged-interlaced". It's either encoded as progressive (progressive_frame == 1) or it's not.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 17:37

Originally posted by RB
By saying "progressive-tagged-interlaced" P3gasus most likely means "the video looks progressive in my software player but BitrateViewer would tell me it's interlaced". P3gasus, right?

Again, there's no such thing as "progressive-tagged-interlaced". It's either encoded as progressive (progressive_frame == 1) or it's not. Ok. Now, is it common/uncommon for progressive and interlaced to be mixed in a single cell?

P3gasus

4th April 2004, 17:43

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks for the input. If I appear confused... I am.

You are saying that PAL can be interlaced but have the progressive flag set.

I'm saying that the very majority of pal movies are actually PROGRESSIVE but tagged interlaced. So for example "Pirates of the carribean" R2 pal is tagged INTERLACED but it is progressive. The same thing is for TLOTR TFOTR and TLOTR TTT. I'm testing dvdrb with "Qualcosa è cambiato" R2 pal (an american movie, but I don't know the original title). It is actually PROGRESSIVE but (do you figure ??) it is tagged interlaced. DVDRB is detecting it as progressive with zigzag scan. It is tagged as interlaced-alternate. Unfortunately I'm not expert about mpeg2 file fields.

So exactly how can you tell if a PAL source is interlaced or progressive?

I detect progressive sources by using one of the most complex and sophisticated (but free) tool I have. My Eyes :D
I hope this helps

P3gasus

4th April 2004, 17:48

Originally posted by RB
By saying "progressive-tagged-interlaced" P3gasus most likely means "the video looks progressive in my software player but BitrateViewer would tell me it's interlaced". P3gasus, right?

You got it

Again, there's no such thing as "progressive-tagged-interlaced". It's either encoded as progressive (progressive_frame == 1) or it's not.

So for example Pirates of the Carribean R2 pal (wich is an example of what I called "progressive-tagged-interlaced") should be re-encoded with progressive checked or not?
Thanks
Bye

nwg

4th April 2004, 17:59

I don't know much about progressive and interlaced.

However, I do use DVD2DVDR with CCE. When I do a PAL DVD it always said's that it recommends to set it to progressive(and also said's it applies to 95% of PAL DVD's). I always do and never had a problem.

Is that any help?

P3gasus

4th April 2004, 18:06

Originally posted by nwg
I don't know much about progressive and interlaced.

However, I do use DVD2DVDR with CCE. When I do a PAL DVD it always said's that it recommends to set it to progressive(and also said's it applies to 95% of PAL DVD's). I always do and never had a problem.

Is that any help?

That is true. Really-interlaced dvd are not so common in pal lands. With really-interlaced I'm referring to to the titles showing horizontal lines in scene changes when watching to them in a player that does not do deinterlacing.
Bye

brikin

4th April 2004, 18:07

Thanks for the updates....

I am still getting my

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error 0004. Process must abort."

Then I get another window saying

"Stop statement encountered"

error with 0.3.

Thanks again

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 18:09

Originally posted by brikin
Thanks for the updates....

I am still getting my

"DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error 0004. Process must abort."

Then I get another window saying

"Stop statement encountered"

error with 0.3.

Thanks again Stills... I know I have to fix this.

Abnormal1

4th April 2004, 18:33

Hi,
1. DVD-R Version: 0.30
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. Bug encountered: Using .30 on Animatrix (PAL) it does not deinterlace VTS2. However when i look at in DVD2AVI it looks Interlaced. Also bitrate viewer says the frame type is Intelaced.

p.s before anyone asks, Yes i do have the deinterlace options set.

p.p.s I was also wondering if you would be able to add the option to use other deinterlacers eg kerneldeint

Abnormal

Discoboy

4th April 2004, 18:36

Hi,

DVD-R Version: 0.30
Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
Using eclCCE? Y Ver. 1.8b

Stuttering probs update with the latest 030 beta when processing Matrix Revolutions PAL. History:-

028 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters

029 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- stuttering every 2 seconds on video

029b beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters
- Stuttering every 2 seconds on video
- Audio out of shink now at the 2 second stutter issue

030 beta
- Very slight stutter / pixilation on the start of some chapters same as in 028 beta

Abnormal1

4th April 2004, 18:41

Hi,
Something else I have noticed is that When you set the path to Decomb you have to restart ReBuilder before you can select the Deinterlace with DECOMB option.
Although not really a bug it is still a little annoying

Thanks
Abnormal1

brikin

4th April 2004, 18:43

Originally posted by jdobbs
Stills... I know I have to fix this.

I don't know if this is a stills problem. The clip I get this error on is about 2 minutes long and the clip before and after this are 1 to 3 minutes long.

AVS for V04002900001030 Clip before the problem

# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:01, CELLID:30
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04B.D2V")
trim(79473,81736)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

AVS for V04003000003002

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:01
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04B.D2V")
trim(81737,84780)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

AVS for V04003100002002 clip after the problem

#------------------
# AVS File Created by DVD Rebuilder
# VOBID:02, CELLID:02
#------------------
LoadPlugin("F:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll")
mpeg2source("C:\VIDEO PROJECTS\X2\D2VAVS\V04B.D2V")
trim(84781,90477)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true)

4th April 2004, 20:14

Originally posted by P3gasus
You got it

So for example Pirates of the Carribean R2 pal (wich is an example of what I called "progressive-tagged-interlaced") should be re-encoded with progressive checked or not?

Maybe "could" is the better word. It will make little, if any, difference in quality when reencoding with Progressive Frame flag off and Alternate scan.

Maybe to avoid further confusion to jdobbs in this matter, it's best to make sure that when using the terms "interlaced" and "progressive", this refers to what BitrateViewer or DVD2AVI report.

4th April 2004, 20:18

Originally posted by jdobbs
Ok. Now, is it common/uncommon for progressive and interlaced to be mixed in a single cell?
I have seen it (Untolerable Cruelties PAL R2, the main movie is all progressive frames except for 25 frames that are interlaced somewhere). I think it's best to have "progressive threshold", i.e. if more than 90% of the frames in the cell are progressive, encode as progressive.

jdobbs

4th April 2004, 21:21

Originally posted by RB
I have seen it (Untolerable Cruelties PAL R2, the main movie is all progressive frames except for 25 frames that are interlaced somewhere). I think it's best to have "progressive threshold", i.e. if more than 90% of the frames in the cell are progressive, encode as progressive. I'm changing my code write now to do just that.

Paced

5th April 2004, 07:04

Originally posted by P3gasus
That is true. Really-interlaced dvd are not so common in pal lands. With really-interlaced I'm referring to to the titles showing horizontal lines in scene changes when watching to them in a player that does not do deinterlacing.
Bye

100% of my PAL DVDs (R4) have had at least one truly interlaced stream (almost always in the form of an extra). I think people from R4 (I only know dragongodz is from this region) will need to go back to 0.26 temporarily - since DVD-RB .29+ is adding progressive/ZigZag tags for these interlaced streams to be encoded (without 'Deinterlace with DECOMB enabled'). For some reason I'm the only one that is reporting this, I'm pretty sure someone else will come across this sooner or later.

bohemian

5th April 2004, 09:26

Originally posted by jdobbs

.....- Changed the AVS option for adding audio to fix the well-known CCE 2.50 and AMD processor bug. Now only one choice is available -- it defaults to ON, so those who use Pentiums may want to disable it. This was added to kill some of the confusion associated with previous choices and the need for a plug-in.....

Enjoy!

Firstly...Thanks for all the hard work you are putting into creating and supporting this software :)

I am using CCE 2.67.0.23 trial, and found I had to use the AddAudio plugin to prevent the memory leak by having this added to each AVS file.
The change you have recently made in the software (Including 0.30) does not add a blank audio clip to the AVS files, so the memory leak has returned.
I have tried selecting/deselecting AudioDub(BlankClip()) with no change to the AVS files.
Thanks for your time.

kylan

5th April 2004, 09:55

Using version .30, error #0004 at exactly 35% during the rebuild process of "28 Days Later" is still present.

nwg

5th April 2004, 11:06

I managed to do the PAL Matrix Revolutions with 030. I went through chapter at a time and it looked fine. This was stuttering all the time with 029. I am going to watch it now properly to make sure it is ok.

I tried Back to the Future again that fails with QuEnc. I still get runtime error 5 at 97%. It still works with CCE.

Edit.

I didn't know about the DVD-RB 030 bugs thread. Can this be moved?

As I played Matrix Revolutions it stuttered when going from chapter 3 to 4 on a cheap Cyberhome player. I played it in a better Sony player and it plays fine.

casonbang

5th April 2004, 11:43

I'm backing up Ocean's Eleven and I'm getting 'Runtime Error 75 Path/File' during the rebuild phase. There's 8 gigs free on the working drive. Nothing stripped from the source. Same error even if I leave French language audio checked.

DVD-RB v0.30, CCE 2.67, eclCCE 1.7b
Source Path: E:\VIDEO_TS\ (a dvd-rom using AnyDVD 3.3.2.1, works fine for RB encoding & all other apps)
Working Path: D:\TEMP\OCEANS11\REBUILDER\

Here's the files processed into my working VIDEO_TS at the time of the error/crash.
Name Ext Size Modified

VIDEO_TS IFO 10,240 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_01_0 IFO 90,112 Today 4:18:01 AM
VIDEO_TS BUP 10,240 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_02_0 IFO 28,672 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_01_0 BUP 90,112 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_02_0 BUP 28,672 Today 4:18:01 AM
VTS_01_0 VOB 70,670,336 Today 4:18:06 AM
VTS_02_0 VOB 0 Today 4:18:07 AM

wmansir

5th April 2004, 11:50

Originally posted by casonbang
I'm backing up Ocean's Eleven and I'm getting 'Runtime Error 75 Path/File' during the rebuild phase. There's 8 gigs free on the working drive. Nothing stripped from the source. Same error even if I leave French language audio checked.

DVD-RB v0.30, CCE 2.67, eclCCE 1.7b
Source Path: E:\VIDEO_TS\ (a dvd-rom using AnyDVD 3.3.2.1, works fine for RB encoding & all other apps)
Working Path: D:\TEMP\OCEANS11\REBUILDER\

Someone earlier mentioned that RB needs write access to the source directory, so you can't use a mounted virtual drive. Could someone verify/correct this?

Pedro Gouveia

5th April 2004, 12:34

Originally posted by jdobbs
@Pedro Gouveia

Thanks for all the help. I found the little bastard... The buffer flushing routine was occasionally incorrectly putting the stuff-to-end-of-buffer (intended for the last video packet) in the last audio packet. My belief is that it is also the culprit for the stutter some have seen (although I have never actually repeated that) at cell changes.

jdobbs. I can confirm you, that the audio problem between chapters is gone. :)

Thank a lot for your hard work.

disturbed1

5th April 2004, 17:53

With 0.31, when you chapter skip, you can not rewind to the previous chapter point. It just stops.

As a plus, it did complete the compile process with this build:D Other builds would crash at different points during the compile process (.28 and .30) Ran it through with QuEnc, Rejig and CCE, all completed, but all can't rewind before the chapter stops.

NTSC film.

FMalibu

5th April 2004, 19:36

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm changing my code write now to do just that.

Ah, great that the ConvertToYUY2() interlaced parameter now fully depends on the progressive_frame flags, that's the way it should be according to the specifications.

But I hope you do realize that, as stated more than a few times in this thread, most PAL movies actually have progressive_frame == 0 on all frames. If you assume it is interlaced based on this, and the deinterlacing by decomb option is enabled, this means that a lot of PAL movies that are actually progressive by nature will be deinterlaced. Of course the FieldDeinterlace function of decomb has some algorithm to deinterlace only combed sections, but still it eats a lof of CPU cycles.

In short, this is not a reliable way for detecting interlacing, and people just shouldn't use deinterlacing on PAL titles ;)

-- FMalibu

Joergen

5th April 2004, 19:41

Yes like Malibu said many pal DVD tend to have progressive looking frames throughout the movie but one or more scenes might be clearly interlaced with visible "combing".. but the entire title is still marked as interlaced.

jdobbs

5th April 2004, 19:46

Originally posted by FMalibu
Ah, great that the ConvertToYUY2() interlaced parameter now fully depends on the progressive_frame flags, that's the way it should be according to the specifications.

But I hope you do realize that, as stated more than a few times in this thread, most PAL movies actually have progressive_frame == 0 on all frames. If you assume it is interlaced based on this, and the deinterlacing by decomb option is enabled, this means that a lot of PAL movies that are actually progressive by nature will be deinterlaced. Of course the FieldDeinterlace function of decomb has some algorithm to deinterlace only combed sections, but still it eats a lof of CPU cycles.

In short, this is not a reliable way for detecting interlacing, and people just shouldn't use deinterlacing on PAL titles ;)

-- FMalibu I guess the best strategy is to not select the deinterlace option unless you know you need it.

nwg

5th April 2004, 19:56

I guess the best strategy is to not select the deinterlace option unless you know you need it

I just do PAL films and have so far never used that option. I just leave DVD-RB on the default settings. I just select the number of passes I want depending on the percentage that is shown at the end of the prepare stage.

5th April 2004, 20:04

Originally posted by jdobbs
I guess the best strategy is to not select the deinterlace option unless you know you need it.
In my very humble opinion, I would make deinterlacing a very, very advanced, rarely used, tagged with warnings option :) But that's just me. I never deinterlace. IMHO the deinterlacing artifacts don't justify the lower bitrate you could theoretically use.

FMalibu

5th April 2004, 21:06

Originally posted by RB
In my very humble opinion, I would make deinterlacing a very, very advanced, rarely used, tagged with warnings option :) But that's just me. I never deinterlace. IMHO the deinterlacing artifacts don't justify the lower bitrate you could theoretically use.

I happen to agree. :)

But then I guess it's all a matter of personal taste. There seem to be quite a lot of people who really like to deinterlace. I suppose a lot of people also have had bad experiences with wrong field orders, but as far as I know it's already doing the detection of this just fine right?

Maybe it would be best to include something of a warning regarding deinterlacing of PAL dvds....

-- FMalibu

chadp1a

5th April 2004, 21:18

Forgive me for sounding stupid but let me ask this question.

If I chose not to de-interlace material that is actually interlaced, does it affect how the material will look on the tv?

What I am asking I guess is this.... Will I notice those horizontal lines on the tv? I notice them using powerdvd on the computer when I choose not to de-interlace.

Joergen

5th April 2004, 21:31

Your TV flickers, drawing one field (every other line) in one pass, 50 passes per second = 25 full frames or 50 half frames per second (PAL TV of course).

Cam material (DV cam etc) uses all the 50 fields to form frames.. so if you deinterlace cam stuff you'll lose the smoothness of the motion.

These fields can also be used to compensate motion for bad film transfers (cause a GOOD film transfer is 25 progressive frames for PAL) or especially with NTSC material where converting the 24 frames of film to 29.976 is much harder and needs trickery to make the motion smooth on the TV.

But this issue is too complicated to discuss here, look it up on google. Telecine and Telesync might be good words.

chadp1a

5th April 2004, 21:34

Originally posted by Joergen
Your TV flickers, drawing one field (every other line) in one pass, 50 passes per second = 25 full frames or 50 half frames per second (PAL TV of course).

Cam material (DV cam etc) uses all the 50 fields to form frames.. so if you deinterlace cam stuff you'll lose the smoothness of the motion.

These fields can also be used to compensate motion for bad film transfers (cause a GOOD film transfer is 25 progressive frames for PAL) or especially with NTSC material where converting the 24 frames of film to 29.976 is much harder and needs trickery to make the motion smooth on the TV.

But this issue is too complicated to discuss here, look it up on google. Telecine and Telesync might be good words.

Thnak you

smlong426

6th April 2004, 01:12

I just encoded a movie with 0.31, and there is still a split-second of video stutter at chapter points. It is very visible on my Zenith XBV342 .. not so noticable on my Cyberhome CH-DVD500 ..

ps2uk

6th April 2004, 03:25

hi guys when i press the encode button i get this error GdipLoadImageFromFile failed :3

i also had a buffer overflow error #0004

im using CCE Version 2.67.00.23 & DVD ReBuilder 0.31

thx in advance

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 03:45

Originally posted by smlong426
I just encoded a movie with 0.31, and there is still a split-second of video stutter at chapter points. It is very visible on my Zenith XBV342 .. not so noticable on my Cyberhome CH-DVD500 .. Since this doesn't happen on any of my DVD players it's hard for me to find. In order to help me chase this down I need to know whether it ever happens outside of a chapter break (for example does it ever happen at any cell points that are not chapters)? I know that may be Greek to a lot of folks, but to those that know what I'm talking about and get this stutter -- please let me know.

Thanks.

dave88

6th April 2004, 04:09

I've been getting that too, I don't really notice the sound being out of synch, but about 10 sec or so before some chapter points I get about 1/2 sec of sped up video, kinda like the audio and video is resynching?

I've tried CCE 2.67 and 2.5 with same results
DVDRB .29b

will try newer DVDRB builds soon

lab-one

6th April 2004, 04:28

@jdobbs

No, it is only occurring at chapter breaks.

DVDDecrypter (file mode)
DVD-RB .30
-Path to MPEG2DEC3DG set
-Path to DECOMB511.DLL set
-Remove all DTS set
-Autodetect Film
-ConverttoYUY2() set
-Deinterlace with decomb set
-AudioDub(BlankClip()) set
CCE 2.50SP
-VBR Bias 25
-Qualiy Prec 24
-VBR Passes 2
ECLCCE 1.7
ImageToolClassic
DVDDecrypter (write)
Latest back-up: Ripleys Game NTSC
Sony DVPNS725P stand alone
Verbatim DVD+R
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ / 512mb RAM

Is there something you would suggest changing? I can re-run this tonight if you have a suggestion.

Thanks.

Joergen

6th April 2004, 04:53

Weird that you have stutters on a sony player while I have none (the PS2 and a DVPNS 430), but I'm in R2.

Could it have something to do with deinterlacing? If the deinterlacer needs to start somewhere further down the cell to form the first full frame (kinda like the overlay of a videocard) and so the first GOP doesnt have enough frames in it, making the player wait for the first full GOP?

Try without all the deinterlacing stuff?

I'm just guessing though, no expert.

lab-one

6th April 2004, 04:57

I have no idea. The Sony will play anything I throw at it. Even crappy blanks that were given to me as a gift. I may try it without the deinterlacing enabled when I go to bed.

ChickenMan

6th April 2004, 05:06

Maybe it worth trying RB 0.31, others are not reporting the problem with that version.

cm

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 05:09

Originally posted by lab-one
@jdobbs

No, it is only occurring at chapter breaks.

DVDDecrypter (file mode)
DVD-RB .30
-Path to MPEG2DEC3DG set
-Path to DECOMB511.DLL set
-Remove all DTS set
-Autodetect Film
-ConverttoYUY2() set
-Deinterlace with decomb set
-AudioDub(BlankClip()) set
CCE 2.50SP
-VBR Bias 25
-Qualiy Prec 24
-VBR Passes 2
ECLCCE 1.7
ImageToolClassic
DVDDecrypter (write)
Latest back-up: Ripleys Game NTSC
Sony DVPNS725P stand alone
Verbatim DVD+R
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ / 512mb RAM

Is there something you would suggest changing? I can re-run this tonight if you have a suggestion.

Thanks. Could you try running it through IFOEDIT's VOB Extras with only "Correct VOB Unit" checked -- also in the VOB Expert area check "Adjust Vob-Unit pointers" and "Adjust Audio/subp pointers" and see if the problem goes away?

lab-one

6th April 2004, 05:19

@jdobbs

Will do. It will be morning however, gonna start again from scratch. Should I disable deinterlacing?

smlong426

6th April 2004, 13:59

Originally posted by jdobbs
Since this doesn't happen on any of my DVD players it's hard for me to find. In order to help me chase this down I need to know whether it ever happens outside of a chapter break (for example does it ever happen at any cell points that are not chapters)? I know that may be Greek to a lot of folks, but to those that know what I'm talking about and get this stutter -- please let me know.

Thanks.

I do not know the answer to this one, jdobbs. The way I have been testing is to play the main movie, skip to a chapter point, rewind to just before the chapter, and then let the player play through the chapter point normally. I will have to look more closely for a DVD that has separate cells not separated by chapter breaks.

I have tried loading the VTS IFO's into IFOEdit and using the VOB Extra with the following selected to no avail:

Correct VobU
Correct Original IFO
Remove P-UOPS
Remove Macrovision
Adjust VobUnit Pointers
Adjust Audio/Subp Point

I also tried loading the final output from Rebuilder into DVDShrink and let it build an ISO image. This didn't appear to correct the stutter as well.

lab-one

6th April 2004, 14:28

I do not know the answer to this one, jdobbs. The way I have been testing is to play the main movie, skip to a chapter point, rewind to just before the chapter, and then let the player play through the chapter point normally.

I have done it both ways. I quick scanned through a few back-ups as you mentioned above and have also watched a few from start to end. My wife and I sat down this weekend and watched Cold Creek Manor and Ripleys Game. She said she would not have noticed had I not pointed out the stutters.

I re-did Ripleys Game lastnight while sleeping. I created the image file this morning after running it through Ifoedit as jdobbs asked. I will burn the disc when I get home from work and sit down and watch the movie once my daughter allows...

Will report back then.

jdobbs

6th April 2004, 16:06

Originally posted by lab-one
I have done it both ways. I quick scanned through a few back-ups as you mentioned above and have also watched a few from start to end. My wife and I sat down this weekend and watched Cold Creek Manor and Ripleys Game. She said she would not have noticed had I not pointed out the stutters.

I re-did Ripleys Game lastnight while sleeping. I created the image file this morning after running it through Ifoedit as jdobbs asked. I will burn the disc when I get home from work and sit down and watch the movie once my daughter allows...

Will report back then. Thanks much.

DMagic1

6th April 2004, 21:21

Thanks StifflerStealth

Its funny, I have to look at the top of the page everytime to see which topic I'm posting in.

StifflerStealth

6th April 2004, 21:29

It appears DMagic lost his own post. Yoda will help you find it, he will.

Click Here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=470126#post470126)

There you go.

I wish I remembered what Yoda said in Episode 2 when Obi-Wan was looking for a planet that was erased from the archives.

Stiff

lab-one

7th April 2004, 02:27

quote:
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Originally posted by lab-one
@jdobbs

No, it is only occurring at chapter breaks.

DVDDecrypter (file mode)
DVD-RB .30
-Path to MPEG2DEC3DG set
-Path to DECOMB511.DLL set
-Remove all DTS set
-Autodetect Film
-ConverttoYUY2() set
-Deinterlace with decomb set
-AudioDub(BlankClip()) set
CCE 2.50SP
-VBR Bias 25
-Qualiy Prec 24
-VBR Passes 2
ECLCCE 1.7
ImageToolClassic
DVDDecrypter (write)
Latest back-up: Ripleys Game NTSC
Sony DVPNS725P stand alone
Verbatim DVD+R
AMD Athlon XP 2400+ / 512mb RAM

Is there something you would suggest changing? I can re-run this tonight if you have a suggestion.

Thanks.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Could you try running it through IFOEDIT's VOB Extras with only "Correct VOB Unit" checked -- also in the VOB Expert area check "Adjust Vob-Unit pointers" and "Adjust Audio/subp pointers" and see if the problem goes away?

@jdobbs

Just wateched the first hour of Ripleys Game and although the "stuttering" is faint....almost unrecognizable it does exist and it is only occuring at chapter breaks. I don't know that it's my stand alone as I have no problems with back-ups I have done with other software.

jdobbs

7th April 2004, 17:35

Originally posted by lab-one
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by lab-one
@jdobbs

Just wateched the first hour of Ripleys Game and although the "stuttering" is faint....almost unrecognizable it does exist and it is only occuring at chapter breaks. I don't know that it's my stand alone as I have no problems with back-ups I have done with other software. Can't have that... all st.. st..stuttering must cease. I'm working it. Unfortunately I have yet to have seen it for myself.

DMagic1

7th April 2004, 17:40

I just did Tombstone. I could see the chapter stutter easily with PowerDVD. I used v.031 and CCE.

lab-one

7th April 2004, 18:05

@jdobbs

Can't have that... all st.. st..stuttering must cease. I'm working it. Unfortunately I have yet to have seen it for myself.

Well, after getting the 6 month old off my lap and looking closely at the last half of the movie I noticed something that I should have let you know earlier. The "fluttering", as I will now refer to it (because it truly isn't a "stutter"), occurs throughout the movie...NOT JUST AT CHAPTER BREAKS. I apologize for misleading you prior to this and hope that I have not wasted a lot of your time looking at how chapters are put together. What I noticed were brief....maybe measured in MS changes in speed. Example, the character is walking or turning and his/her movement speeds up for a brief moment. Funny thing is, I really don't see any changes in the audio (or should I say hear any changes).

So, could this be something to do with how bitrates are being spread across cells and nothing to do with your coding? Excuse me for being ignorant, I am deffinetely a newbie when it comes to CCE Encoding. I never could get through the big3 and settled for movie only back-ups with Shrink or AVI's with Gknot. Until this app, I've never learned about whats really happening...

Maybe it is my dvd player. I don't know that I would call it "cheap" perse, however $130 isn't top-of-the-line either. I realize that. Again though, my rips from shrink always play without any problems.

This is long winded and my point is, maybe it's the way I am doing the encoding (using decomb, CCE settings are not "right"....etc.). Hell, I don't know. I will keep trying.

On a positive note, I am blown away by the quality of the back-ups. I have had goodluck with shrink doing movie only and watching AVI's through my pc to the tv has been less than desirable. So, even with the "flutters", being able to back-up my DVD collection this way is awesome.

ffroms

7th April 2004, 18:06

Hi all!
I just wanted to say great work jdobbs!
Last night I've tried E.T. PAL and everything went beautiful.
First I've used DVDReMake 1.3.1 to delete what I don't want and run it through DVDRebuild. Here what I've set
Deactivated all extra lines in AVS (like AddAudio() or any ConvertTo...) so my AVS looks something like
mpeg2source("C:\test.avs")
Trim(0,1234)

I've used CCE SP 2.66.0.26 (I think) with 2 pass. Done some viewing tests on PC with 3 different players and my stand alone player and had no stuttering at all. I've given disk to friend to test it on PS2 and his stand alone player to see is there any problems.

FFS

Sir Didymus

7th April 2004, 19:32

Originally posted by DMagic1
I just did Tombstone. I could see the chapter stutter easily with PowerDVD. I used v.031 and CCE.
My experience is different...

I have to say I truly understand the difficulties of replicating the "stuttering effect" if your hardware player is not assisting in the job: maybe it depends on the specific configuration of the PC, or on the installed codecs, or on something else, but I never was able to see it on my PC.

With Donnie Brasco, PAL, R2, I used PowerDVD, WinDVD and the IfoEdit Player, staring at the monitor very carefully, and the play has been every time perfect and fluent on the PC.

Just playing the burned title on my "cheap" hardware player the effect is immediately visible at each chapter change...

All the best
SD

wmansir

7th April 2004, 19:56

I just wanted to add that my cheap (apex) player also has this slight stuttering problem, but it is not at every chapter point. It is fairly rare (every 2-3 minutes) and it isn't really a stutter. The audio seems to play fine, as I don't hear any distortions, but the video seems to just randomly jump ahead a fraction of a second. If I reverse back and play over the same section, it doesn't happen though. So I assume it isn't something wrong at that particular point in the stream, but a 'resyncing' or some other problem which develops over time.

I can definitely say it isn't just at chapter points or Cell merger points, as it will happen in the middle of a scene and sometimes a couple of times within a 10-15 seconds. It is almost like a max-bitrate too high problem, but the points that it happen don't appear to be high bitrate shots.

BTW, this happened with a .30 rebuild. I haven't had a successfully .31 rebuild yet.

HanSolo00

8th April 2004, 11:04

Originally posted by lab-one
Well, after getting the 6 month old off my lap and looking closely at the last half of the movie I noticed something that I should have let you know earlier. The "fluttering", as I will now refer to it (because it truly isn't a "stutter"), occurs throughout the movie...NOT JUST AT CHAPTER BREAKS. I apologize for misleading you prior to this and hope that I have not wasted a lot of your time looking at how chapters are put together. What I noticed were brief....maybe measured in MS changes in speed. Example, the character is walking or turning and his/her movement speeds up for a brief moment. Funny thing is, I really don't see any changes in the audio (or should I say hear any changes).

I've been playing with one of my projects I finished with DVD-RB v0.31 and I think I'm inclined to agree with you. When I play it back in PowerDVD, the video doesn't seem as 'smooth' as it should be, yet doesn't show the glaring stutter at chapter breaks. On my Norcent DVD player though, the video does seem smooth until you hit the chapter break where it jumps a fraction of a second. My guess is the two players are handling the video syncing differently and thus the problem (if it is syncing) is materializing in a different manner.

Maybe it's just my eyes but it seems as if it is a video syncing issue that the different players deal with in different ways. Anyhow, since jdobbs is already armpit deep on his way to fixing this I'm not sure if this observation is of any help, so I'll just wait patiently for the next release.

ffroms

8th April 2004, 18:10

OK. ET is definitely good. Tested on 3 different players. now I have other question. What is minimum VOB size limit to be done in DVDRebuild. Here is the situation. I have James Bond disk and it have 19 VTS. I've used DVDReMake to clean what I don't want and there was 8 VTS to process. VTS1,2 and 3 are done OK but VTS 11,12,13,14 are around 30MB in size and they where skipped. Did I missed something or...?
I've tried to work with ReJig0.5e and everything works except produced m2v file is 0kb for all chapters. Is that bug or I'm doing something wrong (I've used ReJig manually and it works)? I'm using DVDRebuild 0.31

FFS

jdobbs

8th April 2004, 23:04

Originally posted by ffroms
OK. ET is definitely good. Tested on 3 different players. now I have other question. What is minimum VOB size limit to be done in DVDRebuild. Here is the situation. I have James Bond disk and it have 19 VTS. I've used DVDReMake to clean what I don't want and there was 8 VTS to process. VTS1,2 and 3 are done OK but VTS 11,12,13,14 are around 30MB in size and they where skipped. Did I missed something or...?
I've tried to work with ReJig0.5e and everything works except produced m2v file is 0kb for all chapters. Is that bug or I'm doing something wrong (I've used ReJig manually and it works)? I'm using DVDRebuild 0.31

FFS I've inserted code to not reencode VTSs that are under 50MB because I figured they were insignificant (and often have stills or BOV -- hence, why I am skipping them until they is supported).

Toranaga

8th April 2004, 23:22

I tried Blade II again like I said with 0.31 and stutter is still there, and it is not related to chapters. It is audible when playing with Nero Showtime but not so much in PowerDVD5. But it is clear on my Pioneer DV-545 player. Would it be helpful if someone uploaded a small piece of the movie wich includes the stuttering?

nwg

8th April 2004, 23:52

I don't know if this a bug or not.

DVD-RB 031
CCE 2.50 (4 passses)
eclCCE 1.8

I have Master and Comander PAL. Shrink with just DD 5.1 shows 75% compression of the original and ended at 4.34GB

I did it in DVD-RB. After prepare the best it could do was 64.5%. I encoded anyway and it ended up just 3.87GB.

I tried to use the targetsectors trick and put the maximum sectors but it didn't matter.

Is it just the way DVD-RB works?

Edit.

I thought this was the 030+ bug thread sorry.

jdobbs

9th April 2004, 00:06

Originally posted by Toranaga
I tried Blade II again like I said with 0.31 and stutter is still there, and it is not related to chapters. It is audible when playing with Nero Showtime but not so much in PowerDVD5. But it is clear on my Pioneer DV-545 player. Would it be helpful if someone uploaded a small piece of the movie wich includes the stuttering? Are we talking about a video or an audio stutter?

Toranaga

9th April 2004, 09:43

Mostly audio, but the video also has slight stutter.

ffroms

9th April 2004, 16:05

Originally posted by jdobbs
I've inserted code to not reencode VTSs that are under 50MB because I figured they were insignificant (and often have stills or BOV -- hence, why I am skipping them until they is supported).

THX for replay. I was thinking it is something like that but wasn't sure. What about ReJig0.5e? I'm getting 0kb files no matter what I do.

FFS

psdos

9th April 2004, 22:41

With Peter Pan animation in rebuilding process "DVD Rebuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Error #0004. Process must abort".

Another thing that i see is problem with interleaved video, the picture flick (decomb.dll option is marked). When i do cloned films with scenarist at the extras i process with two filters in avs,

LoadPlugin("C:\Archivos de programa\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2DEC3dg.DLL")
mpeg2source("C:\peli.d2v")
Bob <----
SelectEven <----
ConvertTOYUY2()

WndrBr3d

11th April 2004, 00:38

@jdobbbs

I did some trouble shooting re: the suttering video while backing up Star Trek Voyager: Season 1 Disc 1

I think it's an issue with MPEG2Dec3dg.dll

I tried to replicate the issue while using VirtualDubMod to encode the AVS file generated by DVD-RB into DivX. The DivX output suttered just as it did with the CCE output (during encode, you could see it go frmae #222,223,224,222,223,224 -- like it was going back a frame or two).

I then tried to encode the M2V using VirtualDubMod's built in MPEG2 decoder/reader. The file encoded without any stuttering but the audio/video were out of sync.

Hope this helps! :D

nwg

11th April 2004, 00:48

Does Rejig use MPEG2Dec3dg.dll?

I have had the stuttering with both CCE and Rejig.

jurij

11th April 2004, 13:43

I Used dvd rebuilder 0.33
1. DVD-R Version: Pal
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.67
3. Using eclCCE? Y
4. The DVD has 5 audio channels:
-English
-German
-French
-Spanish
-Italian
I chosed to keep only English and Italian audios
After encoding everything the result was a DVD with only English and Spanish Audio.
If i select Italian audio on dvd playback i hear nothing.
Can you do anything? Thanx for the nice job anyway
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-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 169.451 frames.
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-- Scanning and writing .D2V file
-- Processed 3.525 frames.
-- Building .AVS and .ECL files
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- Overall Bitrate : 4.416Kbs
- HIGH/LOW Cell Bitrates: 0/9.999 Kbs
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- Rebuilding segment 1 VOBID:2 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 2 VOBID:2 CELLID:2
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 3 VOBID:2 CELLID:3
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 4 VOBID:2 CELLID:4
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 5 VOBID:2 CELLID:5
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 6 VOBID:2 CELLID:6
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 7 VOBID:2 CELLID:7
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 8 VOBID:2 CELLID:8
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 9 VOBID:2 CELLID:9
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 10 VOBID:2 CELLID:10
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 11 VOBID:2 CELLID:11
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 12 VOBID:2 CELLID:12
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 13 VOBID:2 CELLID:13
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 14 VOBID:2 CELLID:14
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 15 VOBID:2 CELLID:15
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 16 VOBID:2 CELLID:16
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 17 VOBID:2 CELLID:17
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Rebuilding segment 18 VOBID:2 CELLID:18
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_02_0.IFO
- Processing VTS_03
- Rebuilding segment 0 VOBID:1 CELLID:1
- Updating information in NAVPACKS...
- Updated VTS_C_ADT.
- Updated VTS_VOBU_ADMAP.
- Updated IFO: VTS_03_0.IFO
Correcting VTS Sectors...
Phase III, REBUILD completed in 10 minutes.

Done.

jurij

11th April 2004, 14:33

i decided to rebuild the dvd a second time:
i have selected spanish audio instead of Italian and the output was a dvd with english and italian.
i managed to solve the problem this time, but what if the next movie won't have spanish audio LOL?

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 14:52

Originally posted by jurij
i decided to rebuild the dvd a second time:
i have selected spanish audio instead of Italian and the output was a dvd with english and italian.
i managed to solve the problem this time, but what if the next movie won't have spanish audio LOL? I'm scratching my head and wondering... I use the 2 letter codes to determine the language... I'll go back and see if my code is confused.

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 15:03

Originally posted by jurij
i decided to rebuild the dvd a second time:
i have selected spanish audio instead of Italian and the output was a dvd with english and italian.
i managed to solve the problem this time, but what if the next movie won't have spanish audio LOL? Do the menus work correctly for the Italian output? Or do you have to pick Spanish?:eek:

jurij

11th April 2004, 16:16

after i used dvd rebuilder choosing spanisch audio, the dvd works ok (i chose italian audio from menu and it plays italian)

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 18:02

Originally posted by jurij
after i used dvd rebuilder choosing spanisch audio, the dvd works ok (i chose italian audio from menu and it plays italian) I think I found the cause. Was there a missing VTS number in the selection window? (for example it may have had VTS_01, VTS_02, VTS_05, VTS_06) -- I found a bug in which the selected streams in either of VTS_05 or VTS_06 (in the example) might not select audio streams properly...

It's already fixed and will be in v0.35.

jurij

11th April 2004, 18:31

In the "Video Title Sets" frame I only have 2 lines:
VTS_02
VTS_03

The Dvd actually has 4:
VTS_01
VTS_02
VTS_03
VTS_04

Is that suppose to be a bug?
VTS_01 only has copiright infos and
VTS_02 movie
VTS_03 trailer
VTS_04 has the Paramount LOGO intro

As you can see in my 1st post, the log shows it only compressed VTS_02 and VTS_03

jdobbs

11th April 2004, 19:50

Originally posted by jurij
In the "Video Title Sets" frame I only have 2 lines:
VTS_02
VTS_03

The Dvd actually has 4:
VTS_01
VTS_02
VTS_03
VTS_04

Is that suppose to be a bug?
VTS_01 only has copiright infos and
VTS_02 movie
VTS_03 trailer
VTS_04 has the Paramount LOGO intro

As you can see in my 1st post, the log shows it only compressed VTS_02 and VTS_03 DVD-RB sees the other two as insignificant and doesn't process them -- so they aren't available to resize or aspect_ratio change.

jurij

11th April 2004, 20:14

Will there be a feature to compress more the trailers, and compress less the movie for example?
Or a feature that compress the pcm audio of a live concert to stereo ac3? that would be very useful!!!

JDay

11th April 2004, 20:15

I tried Battle Royale II (HK, NTSC, reauthored, movie only with dvd shrink) again with .34 and was pleasantly suprised. The jerky video and audio losing sync (during ff/rw) that I had experienced previously were gone. However, I still get an error when burning with nero (reallocation failed, video_ts.vob not referenced) and the subtitles wouldn't appear (were selectable, but didn't show up) on 3 different standalone players I tried (or on my modded xbox with dvdx, but thats more of a software player). They did make it through, though, as they show up when played on my computer under media player classic.

11th April 2004, 21:32

Battle Royal II worked fine with 0.31 here, apart from the missing subtitles. But that's because the subtitles are Closed Captions, and DVD Rebuilder doesn't support those - yet. Actually, I did that movie using the Big Three Method (and did check CC in DIF4U), but Closed Captions didn't work in it either. Neither did it in Shrink, Recode, Instant Copy or anything else. Oh well.

-tf

JDay

11th April 2004, 21:42

I'm not doing the Japanese version, but the Hong Kong version, which does have "real deal" english subs. They did come through and show up in MPC, but not in any hardware players that I tried...

11th April 2004, 21:48

Uhm... I have the Hong Kong version. It does have Closed Captions. Check the back of the cover, table for Disc A. It says "Dolby Digital", "CC", "DVD-9" etc.

CC means Closed Captioning.

Of course you might have a different version, mine has 3 sets of subtitles/closed captions: Chinese (Traditional), English and Chinese (Simplified).

-tf

Joergen

11th April 2004, 21:49

Originally posted by JDay
I still get an error when burning with nero (reallocation failed, video_ts.vob not referenced)

That's an error with the original disc, and you should remove the file in nero template if its not referenced.

JDay

11th April 2004, 22:06

Originally posted by Joergen
That's an error with the original disc, and you should remove the file in nero template if its not referenced.

Oh, wow, it does do that on the original disc. Never had that problem before when reauthoring with DVD Shrink, very odd...

I'll try running the original through dvd shrink and try it on my standalones, to see if the subtitle issue is related to the source or dvd-rb.

Joergen

11th April 2004, 23:00

Nero is just very picky for standard compliance. After months of people blasting nero for alleged incompliance.. it now makes sure in every way that its good. And the funny thing is, the so called "good burning tools" dont even check for these things. In many burning software you can shove JPG and MP3 files inside the VIDEO_TS folder and it doesnt care :D

JDay

11th April 2004, 23:55

I must have a different version of BRII than tf. It DEFINITELY has actual subs, not captions. However, I shrunk my source with dvd shrink and burned and got the same results on my players - no subs. The problem was most likely rooted in the reauthoring with dvd shrink, not dvd-rb. It made a perfect backup of my botched source material! :)

Jail

12th April 2004, 12:50

DVDR Version 0.34
CCE SP Trial: 2.66.01.07
EclCCE: yes
Bug: Using one-click encoding.
Processing a dvd with only one titleset VTS_01.
During Phase I, "Scanning and writing .D2V file",
after 80-90% DVDR reports
"Runtime error '9':
Subscript out of range"

I can only press "ok" and DVDR quits after that ..

I don't know which additional information to give you to be able to hunt down the bug.
The DVD I'm re-encoding is a Danish one, so I don't think you have access to it :-)

Thanks for a very nice program anyway - donation has been given :)

/Jail

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 13:08

Originally posted by Jail
DVDR Version 0.34
CCE SP Trial: 2.66.01.07
EclCCE: yes
Bug: Using one-click encoding.
Processing a dvd with only one titleset VTS_01.
During Phase I, "Scanning and writing .D2V file",
after 80-90% DVDR reports
"Runtime error '9':
Subscript out of range"

I can only press "ok" and DVDR quits after that ..

I don't know which additional information to give you to be able to hunt down the bug.
The DVD I'm re-encoding is a Danish one, so I don't think you have access to it :-)

Thanks for a very nice program anyway - donation has been given :)

/Jail Well, I picked up "Tora Tora Tora" yesterday which has been reported to cause this same error -- I will try it later today. Maybe I can repeat it and nail this thing.

12th April 2004, 13:23

Jail: I'm Danish, which movie is it? I might have it and can check it out.

-tf

jdobbs

12th April 2004, 13:40

A new version (0.35) has been posted with a couple of bug fixes. See the first message of this thread.

Please also note, that per a suggestion, I am changing the title of the "Comments and Suggestions" thread each time I post an update so you can easily see it from the "One Click DVD backup solutions" page.

quantum

12th April 2004, 15:50

Jail

12th April 2004, 17:40

TF: It's the first "Kasper og Mandrilaftalen" DVD.
Uncompressed size 7,84 GB.

/Jail

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 05:12

Originally posted by jdobbs
Well, I picked up "Tora Tora Tora" yesterday which has been reported to cause this same error -- I will try it later today. Maybe I can repeat it and nail this thing. I did "Tora Tora Tora" -- I got no runtime '9' errors, and it looks very good.

"Tora Tora Tora"
NTSC Region 1

CCE 2.50/ECLCCE 1.7b
DVD-RB 0.35
AVISYNTH 2.54
MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL
AMD 2400+ Processor
ASUS Motherboard
MAXTOR 160GB Drive 8MB cache

What can I say? This movie doesn't cause any problems?

DVD Maniac

13th April 2004, 21:18

First of all I would like to congratulate Mr dobbs on developing such a great tool, donation on its way!

I have now done four successful backups with zero error and excellent quality results.

I have now encountered the runtimne error 9 problem myself. Despite the fact that my source is not "clean" I am posting results as it may aid tracking down the problem.

Original

8 Titlesets with episodes in VTS 5-8
First 3 titlesets were junk trailers / assorted rubbish

Titlesets 1 -3 were single PGC's/vob's which I replaced with single frame vob's and stripped out audio (video only) - MackernX method

Rebuilder crashes with "Runtime error 9" immediateley after Prepare is clicked (three step mode).

Feeding the original, unstripped version results in no error. However, Rebuulder has worked fine with others that I have pre-stripped using the same method - odd

Hope this helps in tracking down the problem

Joergen

13th April 2004, 21:20

Originally posted by jdobbs
I did "Tora Tora Tora" -- I got no runtime '9' errors, and it looks very good.

"Tora Tora Tora"
NTSC Region 1

CCE 2.50/ECLCCE 1.7b
DVD-RB 0.35
AVISYNTH 2.54
MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL
AMD 2400+ Processor
ASUS Motherboard
MAXTOR 160GB Drive 8MB cache

What can I say? This movie doesn't cause any problems?

Good to hear. To get the most out of your purchase, can you try it with CCE 2.66 and 2.67 also please?

btw. how many passes did you do? Perhaps CCE 2.5 is bombing out with the CRC check error for some.

Joergen

13th April 2004, 21:22

Originally posted by DVD Maniac
Titlesets 1 -3 were single PGC's/vob's which I replaced with single frame vob's and stripped out audio (video only) - MackernX method

Why use "methods" when you can use TitleSetBlanker. I havent had any problems with that tool and it succesfully removes play from any titleset.

DVD Maniac

13th April 2004, 21:30

Just to add that I was using v0.35 of Rebuilder

Also, just done disc 3 of the same series with a MackernX style pre-strip - no problems

DVD Maniac

13th April 2004, 21:33

Why use "methods" when you can use TitleSetBlanker. I havent had any problems with that tool and it succesfully removes play from any titleset.

I have not come across this tool. Does it handle titls-sets with multiple PGC's with single or multiple vob's?

Joergen

13th April 2004, 21:38

It can cleverly blank anything that doesnt require user-interaction (menus). So you can even blank the movie titleset itself. I've used it on many dvd's so far without problems (to blank out copyright warnings that usually are in multiple languages, studio animations, extras titlesets).

Only thing to watch out for is when you load up a video_ts.ifo the video_ts.vob is checked automatically.. you need to uncheck it if you dont want to remove it.

For instance take any Disney DVD, blank out the "coming to dvd" commercials that are multiple in one vob, and your player will show a black screen for a short while and move on to what comes after the commercials. It's great.

jdobbs

13th April 2004, 23:37

Originally posted by Joergen
Good to hear. To get the most out of your purchase, can you try it with CCE 2.66 and 2.67 also please?

btw. how many passes did you do? Perhaps CCE 2.5 is bombing out with the CRC check error for some. Possibly... I'm only doing 3 passes. But I don't see how that could result in a Runtime '9' error during REBUILD. Anyway -- these errors don't worry me nearly as much as the elusive stutter.

quantum

13th April 2004, 23:42

Originally posted by Joergen
It can cleverly blank anything that doesnt require user-interaction (menus). So you can even blank the movie titleset itself. I've used Something not mentioned is you can only blank an entire VTS. So if you have several PGCs such as trailers and want to retain one and delete the others, you can't do it with this tool. With that said, it's still very handy and well designed. I use it myself regularly.

nwg

13th April 2004, 23:47

So if you have several PGCs such as trailers and want to retain one and delete the others, you can't do it with this tool.

DVD Stripper will do that. It is more powerful than Titleset Blanker but, takes a lot more time to do (plus it needs DVD Decrypter and Ifoedit).

three_dee

13th April 2004, 23:54

if this has been posted before, forgive me, but there's like a gazilion posts to search through.

1. DVD-R Version: 0.35
2. Encoder being used: CCE 2.50
3. Using eclCCE? Yes
4. Bug encountered: when using the new 4:3 letterboxed -> 16:9 anamorph conversion, the 16:9 flag isn't set in the ifo (can be easily fixed in IFOedit, however)

no bug, but a suggestion: make the other conversion possible too (from amaporph 16:9 to letterboxed 4:3) then ppl have - in my opinion - a better alternative to save bits on long encodes, rather than using half D1 which obviously causes problems for many ppl.

Joergen

14th April 2004, 00:57

Originally posted by jdobbs
Possibly... I'm only doing 3 passes. But I don't see how that could result in a Runtime '9' error during REBUILD. Anyway -- these errors don't worry me nearly as much as the elusive stutter.

I do 3 passes myself aswell and havent run into problems yet.

Joergen

14th April 2004, 00:59

Originally posted by nwg
DVD Stripper will do that. It is more powerful than Titleset Blanker but, takes a lot more time to do (plus it needs DVD Decrypter and Ifoedit).

Does DVD Stripper "remove play" like titlesetblanker does? So if say a #1 Studio animation is in the same VTS as a #2 copyright warning. If I remove #2 will the player "skip" the warning or hang cause it isnt there (as if you stripped the vobid with ifoedit)?

nwg

14th April 2004, 01:56

You can strip anything out with DVD Stripper. It creates a folder of the decrypted DVD using DVD Decrypter in cell id mode. It will just skip anything you take out (video or menu items).

It is even possible to take out the menus language and just keep English. I did this with Matrix Revolutions prior to DVD-RB and took out the German menus.

Joergen

14th April 2004, 02:01

Cool thanks. I had some problems using ifoedit to just strip vobid's from a multilanguage menu, I'll be sure to use dvdstripper next time.

zeus163

14th April 2004, 03:24

I finally got back and tried this again, but on a different title. I did my Great Teacher Onizuki vol 1 DVD. The quality is great, but it suffers from a field order problem. There is shimmering and weird motions (that I notice when I accidentally set that wrong when encoding). I'm going through all the files right now with restream and working on them. I will then try the remerge and see if that works.

Is there a way to set that or automate that setting so that doesn't happen?

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 04:08

Originally posted by zeus163
I finally got back and tried this again, but on a different title. I did my Great Teacher Onizuki vol 1 DVD. The quality is great, but it suffers from a field order problem. There is shimmering and weird motions (that I notice when I accidentally set that wrong when encoding). I'm going through all the files right now with restream and working on them. I will then try the remerge and see if that works.

Is there a way to set that or automate that setting so that doesn't happen? Is anyone else experiencing this?

The_Flash

14th April 2004, 04:17

I was just going to post that v0.36 was crashing while writing the .d2v, and along came v0.36a...fixed! Thanks!

robw

14th April 2004, 04:21

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is anyone else experiencing this?

Not here, all is working well for me.

Rombaldi

14th April 2004, 04:31

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is anyone else experiencing this?

yes,very similar (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=474470&highlight=bizzare#post474470)

digidragon

14th April 2004, 04:40

Originally posted by jdobbs
Is anyone else experiencing this?
Yes, I posted in the motion blur thread.

zeus163

14th April 2004, 06:15

Sorry. I didn't realize there was a motion blur thread. I ran resteam on all the files and retagged the field order, but that didn't seem to work. So, I'm not sure where the problem is, but there is definitely a shimmering field order effect going as I just watched the original again to make sure that wasn't happening!

It's still a great package. I just hope I can find out what I did wrong!

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 11:42

Originally posted by zeus163
Sorry. I didn't realize there was a motion blur thread. I ran resteam on all the files and retagged the field order, but that didn't seem to work. So, I'm not sure where the problem is, but there is definitely a shimmering field order effect going as I just watched the original again to make sure that wasn't happening!

It's still a great package. I just hope I can find out what I did wrong! Did you restream the VOB files or the .m2V files? Changing the .M2V files is ineffective -- as the flags are reset when during REBUILD.

14th April 2004, 15:24

Restream can only process MPEG2 elementary streams, no VOBs.

bodhead

14th April 2004, 15:30

yea i got the same pro,with THE OMEN pal,just extras.
and red dwarf pal series 5 disc 1,not tried any others till theres a fix,if poss.fingers crossed.

zeus163

14th April 2004, 15:35

I ran restream on the .m2v files that CCE produced. I guess I did not realize that the flags are reset during the rebuild process. I guess I could have demuxed my .vob files from the finished rebuild process. That might have worked. I've deleted it and will try again later.

Paced

14th April 2004, 16:04

Originally posted by bodhead
yea i got the same pro,with THE OMEN pal,just extras.
and red dwarf pal series 5 disc 1,not tried any others till theres a fix,if poss.fingers crossed.

I just did my copy of The Omen (PAL) with DVD-RB and the extras turned out fine for me (DVD-RB detected the extras were interlaced and TFF, and set top_first=0 accordingly).

For me, DVD-RB has been flawless ever since 0.33 - these are the problems I used to get:

- stuttering at chapter points
- interlaced video not being detected properly

From 0.33 onwards, DVD-RB has been doing any DVD I throw at it (except for ones that contain multi-angles and seamless branching of course). The resulting DVDs play flawlessly in all of my DVD players, including my PS2. Once again, great work jdobbs.

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 17:29

zeus163

14th April 2004, 19:09

Thanks! I was just checking threads at work during my planning time and noticed this. I'll have to try this when I get home and report back later. I think it took 5-6 hours on 3 pass to complete this. I'll try it then.

Thanks for continuing to update this fine software.

PINOBIRD

14th April 2004, 20:24

DVD-RB 0.37a
CCE 2.50
Eclcce Y
Hi, I try to back up my Roger Waters in the flesh music DVD
The problem is when ether I check or uncheck the LPCM audio stream the overall bit rate stays at 1035Kbs.
This is far to low to get acceptable quality.
The 2 ch LPCM Stream of this DVD is 2.2 gigabyte .
So if I use the 5.1 AC3 Stream I can use 2.2 gigabyte more to get a better bit rate for video.
DVD-RB isn’t calculating the LPCM stream when you uncheck it .

The Eagles Hell Freezes Over went perfect
Pink Floyd live at Pompeii went perfect

Many thanks to jdobbs for this fantastic program

Sorry for my bad English

jdobbs

14th April 2004, 21:32

Happy to do it. There is apparently a problem with LPCM -- but I don't know what it is yet.

DrVenkman

14th April 2004, 22:21

Everything runs fantastic, but I got one little problem...

Chapter Points;

Basically there is a slight pause on picture only(The audio continues to play uninterupted) when I play it back on my cheaper 'Pacific' player, but when played on my Panasonic player there were no problems at all. I tired a few things (Played it back on PowerDVD and FF/RWD through chapters points with no problems and I ran it through DVDSrink and still the problem was there.

So would this be a disc problem (I'm using Ritek discs that play all my other backups fine), a DVD-RB problem or more likely - A Player problem?

psdos

14th April 2004, 23:25

with RB v0.34 to 0.38 and the film "Enemy at the gate" to one second to start Rebuilder "Error 9".

Joergen

14th April 2004, 23:28

Originally posted by DrVenkman
Everything runs fantastic, but I got one little problem...

Chapter Points;

It's a known problem and jdobbs is working on it feaverishly. 0.38 fixed another type of stutter so did you use 0.38 to do your backup?

djan

14th April 2004, 23:29

Originally posted by psdos
with RB v0.34 to 0.38 and the film "Enemy at the gate" to one second to start Rebuilder "Error 9". The same for me, go to see there : http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=73853&goto=lastpost

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 01:24

Could you check and see what type of picture this is:

Is it interlaced?
Is it FRAME or FIELD based?

I know this is Greek to some folks (as it should be) but for those that run into this problem and know, this could help me find the '9' error.

djan

15th April 2004, 01:44

Originally posted by jdobbs
Could you check and see what type of picture this is:

Is it interlaced?
Is it FRAME or FIELD based?

I know this is Greek to some folks (as it should be) but for those that run into this problem and know, this could help me find the '9' error. Hi, the movie is not interlaced but is tagged interlaced. How can I know if the picture is FRAME or FIELD based ? Thx.

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 02:37

I do it by looking at it with VOBEDIT. Each PICTURE_START_CODE (I, P, or B Frame) is accompanied by an extension -- the extension tells you the picture_structure. It will say one of TOP_FIELD, BOTTOM_FIELD, or FRAME_PICTURE. I think Bitrate Viewer can also tell you.

The reason I ask is that I think I've found a problem associated with non FRAME based streams. Luckily they aren't that common (at least here in Region 1).

onesoul

15th April 2004, 04:42

Originally posted by jdobbs
Happy to do it. There is apparently a problem with LPCM -- but I don't know what it is yet. Did you see my post in the other thread? About the ID being 0xa0. Could I provide more information?

Toranaga

15th April 2004, 07:47

I just ran The Last Temptation of Christ PAL, and it seems to have come out ok :D

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 10:36

Originally posted by onesoul
Did you see my post in the other thread? About the ID being 0xa0. Could I provide more information? No I missed it... that is probably the problem then... I should be able to fix that pretty easily.

PINOBIRD

15th April 2004, 12:46

Originally posted by onesoul
Did you see my post in the other thread? About the ID being 0xa0. Could I provide more information?

My LPCM ID is being at 0xa1

jdobbs

15th April 2004, 12:49

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
My LPCM ID is being at 0xa1 Thanks. This should be fixed in the next version (v0.39)

Added: You know, I should have known that. I'm already recognizing it when scanning for languages and types -- sometimes the memory just goes.

Djuby

15th April 2004, 17:22

jdobbs, GREAT job. You really made an awesome utility.
Just wanted to report an undersizing problem. I made a backup of Schindler's list Disk 1/R1, kept DTS sound only, and the output was 3.58 GB. Any ideas?

Djuby

P.S. Once again great job.

PINOBIRD

16th April 2004, 14:20

The LPCM Stream is still not calculated when ether I check or uncheck it in version 0.39.
The overall bit rate is sill 1035 Kbs.
If you wish i could provide more information

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 16:25

Originally posted by Djuby
jdobbs, GREAT job. You really made an awesome utility.
Just wanted to report an undersizing problem. I made a backup of Schindler's list Disk 1/R1, kept DTS sound only, and the output was 3.58 GB. Any ideas?

Djuby

P.S. Once again great job. Which encoder were you using? QuEnc seems to be undersizing.

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 16:28

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
The LPCM Stream is still not calculated when ether I check or uncheck it in version 0.39.
The overall bit rate is sill 1035 Kbs.
If you wish i could provide more information :angry: Off I go to fix this -- and I was really feeling proud of myself. Can you tell me which VTS and which stream number (0-7) it is when shown in the DVD-RB listbox (cut and paste a screen shot of that area if possible)?

Sorry for the continuing problem.

Fr4nz

16th April 2004, 17:58

Hey is this a bug?

LoadPlugin("H:\MPEGDecoder.dll")
mpeg2source("H:\DIO\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(0,7184)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) <===== !!!!
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Why DVD-RB sets interlaced=true all the times? I'm working on progressive DVDs, so it shouldn't set interlaced=true in the AVS scripts! Or am I wrong?

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 18:19

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Hey is this a bug?

LoadPlugin("H:\MPEGDecoder.dll")
mpeg2source("H:\DIO\D2VAVS\V01.D2V")
trim(0,7184)
ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) <===== !!!!
AudioDub(BlankClip())

Why DVD-RB sets interlaced=true all the times? I'm working on progressive DVDs, so it shouldn't set interlaced=true in the AVS scripts! Or am I wrong? That line is only inserted on material that is interlaced. I would have to guess that the first 7185 frames (in a single cell) of this VTS are flagged as interlaced rather than progressive.

If you are convinced they are progressive and are flagged wrong you can set the option for removing "interlaced=true" under Options/AVS Options. That has been reported as happening in PAL.

Fr4nz

16th April 2004, 18:24

Yes I'm sure it's progressive.

So I have three questions:

1- if I let interlaced=true, will be the whole movie encoded as if it is interlaced or only the first 7185 frames?

2- Is it dangerous to leave interleaced=true for the final quality of the encoded movie?

3- Is it possible with PAL DVDs to understand if they are really interlaced or progressive?

Thanks for any answer!

EDIT: I just found that not all PAL DVDs fool DVD-RB. For example "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" fools DVD-RB, but "Gladiator" not.

gunga

16th April 2004, 18:27

Hello Jdobbs,

I have made a backup of the movie Haute Tension(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) and in the first twenty minutes, I noticed at three separate times on viewing, a stuttering/pause effect ocurred in both video and audio on my JVC DVD player. It lasts only 1 to 2 seconds each time. Everytime the stuttering/pause occurs, I noticed my birate on my player goes above 9Mbps and into 11Mbps and 12Mbps. Once it comes back down, audio and video are fine. I know DVD players don't like birates above 9Mbps, but what would be causing this problem? I'm using CCE 2.67.0.23 trial with eclcce and have the dynamically assign cell birates selected. I have not done any special tweaks either. I believe all other setting are fine. Keep you the great work.

Thanks.

Joergen

16th April 2004, 18:36

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Yes I'm sure it's progressive.

EDIT: I just found that not all PAL DVDs fool DVD-RB. For example "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" fools DVD-RB, but "Gladiator" not.

I did the latter and it is progressive and CCE was compressing about 0.5 faster than if it was interlaced, so DVD-RB did recognise it as progressive properly.

Fr4nz

16th April 2004, 18:37

Yes it recognizes Galdiator correctly. Now I'm trying to see what happens with "The Matrix", stay tuned.

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 18:48

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Yes I'm sure it's progressive.

So I have three questions:

1- if I let interlaced=true, will be the whole movie encoded as if it is interlaced or only the first 7185 frames?

2- Is it dangerous to leave interleaced=true for the final quality of the encoded movie?

3- Is it possible with PAL DVDs to understand if they are really interlaced or progressive?

Thanks for any answer!

EDIT: I just found that not all PAL DVDs fool DVD-RB. For example "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" fools DVD-RB, but "Gladiator" not. 1. According to RB, who is very knowledgable and I tend to agree with, if it is marked as interlaced -- it is interlaced. But others say that sometimes progressive sources are marked as interlaced. I'm in NTSC land and can't verify one way or the other. You'd have to look at the other .AVS files to see if they were marked as interlaced...

2. Some say no. Others say yes... Try it and see.

3. There is a flag in the picture_coding_extension header that accompanies each picture_start_code that tells you whether the source is progressive. That flag is what DVD-RB uses to to determine whether it is interlaced or progressive. If 90% of the pictures in a cell are flagged as progressive, then it is assumed to be progressive. Most of the time they are 100% one way or the other.

My belief it that it would be silly for the original author to take a progressive source and mark it interlaced, so why assume they did? But stranger things have happened.

luphy

16th April 2004, 18:49

Just a small suggestion, but these bug report threads are getting long. How about creating separate threads for each of the encoders - CCE, QuEnc, Rejig.

Quite an enormous task jdobbs, creating a program to use 3 different encoders, and trying to debug all of them!

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 18:52

Originally posted by gunga
Hello Jdobbs,

I have made a backup of the movie Haute Tension(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) and in the first twenty minutes, I noticed at three separate times on viewing, a stuttering/pause effect ocurred in both video and audio on my JVC DVD player. It lasts only 1 to 2 seconds each time. Everytime the stuttering/pause occurs, I noticed my birate on my player goes above 9Mbps and into 11Mbps and 12Mbps. Once it comes back down, audio and video are fine. I know DVD players don't like birates above 9Mbps, but what would be causing this problem? I'm using CCE 2.67.0.23 trial with eclcce and have the dynamically assign cell birates selected. I have not done any special tweaks either. I believe all other setting are fine. Keep you the great work.

Thanks. I assume you used CCE to encode. I was afraid something like that might happen when I accepted someone's advice to not set the "DVD Compliant" flag... I'll change this in version 0.40 (except for Half-D1). Please note, however, that the number you are seeing is not the VIDEO bitrate, but the TOTAL bitrate (audio,video, and anything else).

Here is a quote from the DVD FAQ5:

"Maximum video bit rate is 9.8 Mbps...After error correction the user data stream goes into the track buffer at a constant 11.08 Mbps...After system overhead, the maximum rate of combined elementary streams (audio + video + subpicture) is 10.08 Mbps."

Axlemar

16th April 2004, 19:01

Using Quenc and the same settings on a dvd I had backed up fine before, I got a dvd that stutters non-stop throughout the entire disc causing the audio to skip and break and the video to be jumpy and in slow motion. The REBUILDER.inf shows:
[Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=2
Encode_Progress=33
[V01000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=21021.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=2865
Last_Sector=31325
Reduction=54.5
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0

DVD2AVI says that the video type is NTSC and the frame type is Progressive and the video looks interlaced.

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 19:03

Originally posted by Axlemar
Using Quenc and the same settings on a dvd I had backed up fine before, I got a dvd that stutters non-stop throughout the entire disc causing the audio to skip and break and the video to be jumpy and in slow motion. The REBUILDER.inf shows:
[Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=2
Encode_Progress=33
[V01000000001001]
SCR=.000
PTS=21021.000
Frame_Rate_Code=1
Pulldown=0
Structure=3
Frames=2865
Last_Sector=31325
Reduction=54.5
Aspect_Ratio=2
HalfD1=0 Backed up before with DVD-RB? What version before and after?

Fr4nz

16th April 2004, 19:05

Also The Matrix (Italian-PAL) is recognized as Interlaced :( :(

Jdobbs can we do something about it? Maybe I could provide you some files of these DVD?

jdobbs

16th April 2004, 19:07

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Also The Matrix (Italian-PAL) is recognized as Interlaced :( :(

Jdobbs can we do something about it? Maybe I could provide you some files of these DVD? If you have a way of getting me one cell I can look at it. Usually they are too big for EMail.

Axlemar

16th April 2004, 19:09

I had backed it up before with version .33a I believe, much older than the newest version now. And then I used .39 and got problems. Also, DVD2AVI says that the video type is NTSC and the frame type is Progressive and the video looks interlaced. Is it being labled wrong or something?

DDogg

16th April 2004, 19:10

IMO, QuEnc, nic's front-end to FFMPEG, while showing great progress seems very experimental to be included in dvd-rb at this stage. I do realize it is free, but I would just suggest it is premature to use it in a process based application that needs accurate size control. nic is dependent on the FFMPEG folks so their is not much he can do about it.

Fr4nz

16th April 2004, 19:22

Originally posted by jdobbs
If you have a way of getting me one cell I can look at it. Usually they are too big for EMail.

Okay, I'm on the way to extract one cell with DVD-Decrypter. Then I'll try to put it on-line.

PINOBIRD

16th April 2004, 20:35

Originally posted by jdobbs
:angry: Off I go to fix this -- and I was really feeling proud of myself. Can you tell me which VTS and which stream number (0-7) it is when shown in the DVD-RB listbox (cut and paste a screen shot of that area if possible)?

Sorry for the continuing problem.

No problem.

No problem

VTS_01 [539 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 2Chan, AC3, Lang: English

VTS_02 [7.310 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 6Chan, AC3, Lang: English

Audio_02 2Chan, LPCM, Lang: English

Fr4nz

16th April 2004, 21:56

Hey Jdobbs I managed to put on-line one cell of "Crouching Tiger,hidden Dragon", one of the two progressive films which were recognized as interlaced by DVD-RB! Here's the link: http://web.rossoalice.it/g.lettich/Crouching%20tiger%20hidden%20Dragon%20CELL%20(PAL%20-%20Italian).zip (54 Megs).

It is not the first cell of the movie because I've choosed the one which took less space. I hope it's ok for you :)

PS: I've tried Saving private Ryan (PAL-ITA) and it's recognized correctly (progressive) by DVD-RB. So it seems that not all PAL DVDs are recognized wrongly as interlaced. I hope you can understand where is the problem.

Djuby

16th April 2004, 22:13

Originally posted by jdobbs

Which encoder were you using? QuEnc seems to be undersizing.

Thank you for the reply. I am using 5 pass VBR CCE SP 2.67.00.23 with EclCCE 1.8b. I also have the Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates checked. The version of DVD-RB is 0.39.

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 00:08

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Hey Jdobbs I managed to put on-line one cell of "Crouching Tiger,hidden Dragon", one of the two progressive films which were recognized as interlaced by DVD-RB! Here's the link: http://web.rossoalice.it/g.lettich/Crouching%20tiger%20hidden%20Dragon%20CELL%20(PAL%20-%20Italian).zip (54 Megs).

It is not the first cell of the movie because I've choosed the one which took less space. I hope it's ok for you :)

PS: I've tried Saving private Ryan (PAL-ITA) and it's recognized correctly (progressive) by DVD-RB. So it seems that not all PAL DVDs are recognized wrongly as interlaced. I hope you can understand where is the problem. I just looked at the file you provided, and not a single one of the 2,385 frames is marked as progressive.

Doom9

17th April 2004, 00:41

to continue my bugreport, here's the DVD-RB status:

[Status]
mode=2
Progress=2
CCEType=2
However, all files have been encoded and DVD-RB definitely was in rebuild state (I'd thought that would make mode=3). All menu files have already been copied, same for the IFOs, and VTS_02_1.VOB was in rebuilding phase as it's the latest one to be written, but it was never completed. Not sure this is of any use, but if more info is required, just ask.

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 00:50

Originally posted by Doom9
to continue my bugreport, here's the DVD-RB status:

However, all files have been encoded and DVD-RB definitely was in rebuild state (I'd thought that would make mode=3). All menu files have already been copied, same for the IFOs, and VTS_02_1.VOB was in rebuilding phase as it's the latest one to be written, but it was never completed. Not sure this is of any use, but if more info is required, just ask. I have the error '5' fixed, I just haven't posted yet. The "mode" tells which encoder (CCE, ReJig, QuEnc) was used. The "Progress" says what has been completed. It never gets incremented above 2 because it's only there to make sure the previous phase was completed before attempting the current one.

Paced

17th April 2004, 01:07

Originally posted by Djuby
Thank you for the reply. I am using 5 pass VBR CCE SP 2.67.00.23 with EclCCE 1.8b. I also have the Dynamic Assign Cell Bitrates checked. The version of DVD-RB is 0.39.

You should also take note that Schindler's List is black and white, which means it is highly compressible; this may be the reason why you are getting under-sized results.

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 08:52

Originally posted by jdobbs
I just looked at the file you provided, and not a single one of the 2,385 frames is marked as progressive.

Incredible...now I'll extract a cell of "the matrix" which I know for sure that is progressive. Then I'll upload it so you can check it out. Stay tuned.

Anyway, how's it possible that a progressive title is marked as interlaced?

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 09:15

Okay, I've put on-line the first cell of The Matrix (PAL-ITA): http://web.rossoalice.it/g.lettich/Matrix%20PAL-ITA%20First%20Cell.zip (20Megs.)

As I said some posts ago, also this title is recognized as interlaced. I Hope this will be more useful. :)

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 12:19

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Incredible...now I'll extract a cell of "the matrix" which I know for sure that is progressive. Then I'll upload it so you can check it out. Stay tuned.

Anyway, how's it possible that a progressive title is marked as interlaced? It probably actually is interlaced, but is stored as frames. I've found on NTSC that almost nothing is stored as field based interlaced -- it is marked as interlaced but the two fields have been combined into a frame that is stored on disc. But when I play them back they are interlaced.

There was a lot of discussion on this topic a few days ago. The option now known as "Disable Interlaced" is there specifically for these titles. I've been told that you can treat a lot of interlaced PAL sources as progressive. But I don't do a lot of PAL work.

When using AVISYNTH they are all being presented to the encoder as a combined frames anyway (unless you use commands to separate them).

PhAtfiSh

17th April 2004, 12:40

An error report for you using v0.40 & rejig.

I got a 'run-time 9, Subscript out of range' when in the re-building phase.

Source was 4:3 interlaced. (It was a simple extras disc)

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 13:28

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Incredible...now I'll extract a cell of "the matrix" which I know for sure that is progressive. Then I'll upload it so you can check it out. Stay tuned.

Anyway, how's it possible that a progressive title is marked as interlaced? By the way, I just encoded the cell you sent me with and without setting the "Disable Interlace" flag and to me they look identical (they look fantastic, actually). I'm not sure this is even an issue.

NOTE ADDED: I only reviewed them on the PC.

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 13:30

Originally posted by jdobbs
By the way, I just encoded the cell you sent me with and without setting the "Disable Interlace" flag and to me they look identical (they look fantastic, actually). I'm not sure this is even an issue.

Let's hope so Jdobbs. :)

If you'll need anything in the future for PAL titles just ask me :)

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 13:58

Originally posted by Fr4nz
Let's hope so Jdobbs. :)

If you'll need anything in the future for PAL titles just ask me :) Just looked at the last cell also... every frame is individually marked as interlaced (progressive_flag = 0) as well.

Fr4nz

17th April 2004, 14:34

Yes, I noticed the same thing with vobedit too.

Anyway I could try to encode matrix as a progressive source, put it on a DVD-RW, and see what happens on a normal television.

Tell me if you need that I do that.

PINOBIRD

17th April 2004, 20:22

Sorry , jdobbs but I think you missed the post about The VTS and stream number of the LPCM audio track .
I couldn't find nothing about it in the last version.
If so ,here it is again.

VTS_01 [539 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 2Chan, AC3, Lang: English

VTS_02 [7.310 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 6Chan, AC3, Lang: English
Audio_02 2Chan, LPCM, Lang: English

There are a lot of music DVD which have a LPCM track.

I Know that you are very busy with other important issues so don’t hurry.

jdobbs

17th April 2004, 20:37

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
Sorry , jdobbs but I think you missed the post about The VTS and stream number of the LPCM audio track .
I couldn't find nothing about it in the last version.
If so ,here it is again.

VTS_01 [539 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 2Chan, AC3, Lang: English

VTS_02 [7.310 MBytes, 16:9] Audio_01 6Chan, AC3, Lang: English
Audio_02 2Chan, LPCM, Lang: English

There are a lot of music DVD which have a LPCM track.

I Know that you are very busy with other important issues so don’t hurry. I'm still looking. I haven't been able to find a reason why it wouldn't remove it. Was the final product oversized by an amount equal to the LPCM?

PINOBIRD

17th April 2004, 20:47

I haven't encoded the video yet because the overal bitrate was 1035 kbs with the LPCM checked but also unchecked.

I think if i encode the video it wil be 2,2 gig undersized .

I can try with rejig if you like

PINOBIRD

17th April 2004, 21:51

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm still looking. I haven't been able to find a reason why it wouldn't remove it. Was the final product oversized by an amount equal to the LPCM?

I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.
I unchecked the LPCM stream .
The VIDEO_TS folder comes out at 5.34 GB.
When playing the movie the LPCM stream is still present.

DVD-RB 0.40

nwg

17th April 2004, 22:31

I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.

I have the same DVD. I will try it as well, as I am interested in this.

jarvis1781

17th April 2004, 22:33

using DVD-RB 0.40
I tried to backup Matrix Revolutions and at the Rebuild stage I get the "runtime error 75" file not found error

how do I fix this?

Joergen

17th April 2004, 22:37

Originally posted by jarvis1781
using DVD-RB 0.40
I tried to backup Matrix Revolutions and at the Rebuild stage I get the "runtime error 75" file not found error

how do I fix this?

Did you unmount the iso you had as the source or something similar? Jdobbs recommends using DVD Decrypter in file mode, not iso mounting.

DDogg

17th April 2004, 22:38

jarvis1781, and you were using a mounted ISO, correct? If so, you may be able to save yourself some time by recreating the source using dvddecryptor's file mode. Open dvd-rb and change to the filemode source and restart rebuild. Darn, Joergen beat me to it :)

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 00:05

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.
I unchecked the LPCM stream .
The VIDEO_TS folder comes out at 5.34 GB.
When playing the movie the LPCM stream is still present.

DVD-RB 0.40 I know I've asked this before but can you confirm (using VOBEDIT) that the ID for the LPCM is somewhere in the 0xA0-0xA7 range? I just went through the audio selection and removal end-to-end and can't find the flaw. I know its there -- so I have to be missing something on the LPCM. Is another audio stream being removed instead?

jarvis1781

18th April 2004, 00:37

Originally posted by jarvis1781
using DVD-RB 0.40
I tried to backup Matrix Revolutions and at the Rebuild stage I get the "runtime error 75" file not found error

how do I fix this?

I didn't unmount the ISO so I figured it "should" work.
However, after reading some DVD-RB guides I noticed that they all decrypt in File mode. So I gave that a try and obviously it worked :) Thanks for the suggestions anyway!
I wonder why I got this error now, in previous builds everything worked out fine with a mounted ISO. Oh well, at least it works now.

DDogg

18th April 2004, 00:52

Jdobbs, since I got the same error on the same title with 0.40 you should be able to replicate it on your end. That should make you happy :)

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 01:37

Movie: Two Weeks Notice PAL
Dvd-rb v0.40
rejig

VTS_01 5416 Mbytes 16:9
VTS_02 755 Mbytes 4:3

deselected spanish and catalan audio tracks

All seemed to work fine, until Nero said that rellocation failed, because "VTS_02_0.VOB is not referenced, and should not be present".

Joergen

18th April 2004, 01:39

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 01:40

Originally posted by m3taPT
Movie: Two Weeks Notice PAL
Dvd-rb v0.40
rejig

VTS_01 5416 Mbytes 16:9
VTS_02 755 Mbytes 4:3

deselected spanish and catalan audio tracks

All seemed to work fine, until Nero said that rellocation failed, because "VTS_02_0.VOB is not referenced, and should not be present". That's an argument for Nero and the original DVD author to have... DVD-RB just calls 'em like it sees 'em. I'd tell it to write anyway (if you can)... I don't use Nero myself (I quit after the first few versions had problems -- I understand they've been fixed).

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 01:41

Originally posted by jdobbs
That's an argument for Nero and the original DVD author to have... DVD-RB just calls 'em like it sees 'em.

So, shall i burn anyway?

Joergen

18th April 2004, 01:41

Originally posted by jdobbs
That's an argument for Nero and the original DVD author to have... DVD-RB just calls 'em like it sees 'em.

jdobbs: I'm not sure but I think dvdshrink removes unreferenced or 0byte .vob's so thats why people are baffled when they get such an "error" with dvd-rb.

Joergen

18th April 2004, 01:42

Originally posted by m3taPT
So, shall i burn anyway?

You shall hit delete on that unreferenced vob in the nero template, then burn. I wouldnt recommend burning DESPITE an error. But if you DELETE IT there WILL BE NO ERROR. :D

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 01:43

Originally posted by Joergen
You shall hit delete on that unreferenced vob in the nero template, then burn. I wouldnt recommend burning DESPITE an error. But if you DELETE IT there WILL BE NO ERROR. :D

Indeed. Burning now.

Stupid Nero. (oops disregard that sentence) ;)

Thanks guys, "problem" solved in 4 mns. Amazing :)

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 01:46

Originally posted by Joergen
jdobbs: I'm not sure but I think dvdshrink removes unreferenced or 0byte .vob's so thats why people are baffled when they get such an "error" with dvd-rb. Yeah, but you also don't get a true copy of the original. I'll look at this and see if it makes sense to delete unreferenced or zero-length VOBs.

nwg

18th April 2004, 01:57

PINOBIRD wrote,
I have done Roger Waters In The Flesh with rejig.

I have just done it as well and told DVD-RB to remove the LPCM track (R1). The end result was 5.15GB and the LPCM is still there.

I didn't have enough space on the HDD so I decrypted straight of the DVD.

DMagic1

18th April 2004, 02:59

Originally posted by jarvis1781
using DVD-RB 0.40
I tried to backup Matrix Revolutions and at the Rebuild stage I get the "runtime error 75" file not found error

how do I fix this?

I just got the same error on Matrix Reloaded but on the encode stage. It wasn't an ISO and I was using CCE2.66. When I went with CCE2.50 the error wasnt there.:confused:

Trahald

18th April 2004, 03:20

Originally posted by m3taPT
So, shall i burn anyway?

I leave it there and have had no problems... this happens with big3 backups too.. since its on my origional i leave it so its a truer backup.. just a persoonal thing i guess :D

Joergen

18th April 2004, 03:22

Originally posted by Trahald
I leave it there and have had no problems... this happens with big3 backups too.. since its on my origional i leave it so its a truer backup.. just a persoonal thing i guess :D

Yes, its true to the authoring error/junk files of the original :D

hmm I wonder what happens if you rename a ~70MB file to a random VOB and feed it to dvd-rb? New revolutionary anti-dvd-rb copy protection :devil:

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 03:31

Originally posted by Joergen
Yes, its true to the authoring error/junk files of the original :D

hmm I wonder what happens if you rename a ~70MB file to a random VOB and feed it to dvd-rb? New revolutionary anti-dvd-rb copy protection :devil: Hmm... You know I've seen a lot of strange things. I once saw a DVD that had about 10 minutes of unreferenced video as a cell at the beginning of a VTS.

I guess I could just ignore unreferenced cells (but copy them). That would fix the copy protection!;)

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 03:36

Originally posted by jdobbs
I guess I could just ignore unreferenced cells (but copy them). That would fix the copy protection!;)

Is that a preview of a new feature of v0.41? ;)

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 03:41

Originally posted by m3taPT
Is that a preview of a new feature of v0.41? ;) I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

m3taPT

18th April 2004, 03:44

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Fair enough, we're sure you won't forget it. :D

gunga

18th April 2004, 03:52

Hello Everyone,

Does anyone know why when I try to encode the movie Haute Tension,(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) the bitrate goes above 10.08Mbps at certain segments of the movie. I only had to watch it for twenty minutes when I get numerous stuttering/pausing in the video/audio because of this. Why is this happening with the DVD compliance flag enabled?

Using:
DVDRB 0.40
CCE 2.67.00.23/ECLCCE 1.7b
Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates selected
Decomb Selected

Thanks.....

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 04:31

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 04:34

Actually I guess it could be possible if you had an audio stream that was LPCM and set to some really high bitrate as a result of multiple channels... any of that seem likely? But they'd have to be up around 2Mbs to get you as high as you've reported.

PINOBIRD

18th April 2004, 07:57

Originally posted by jdobbs
I know I've asked this before but can you confirm (using VOBEDIT) that the ID for the LPCM is somewhere in the 0xA0-0xA7 range? I just went through the audio selection and removal end-to-end and can't find the flaw. I know its there -- so I have to be missing something on the LPCM. Is another audio stream being removed instead?

Jdobbs I have opened the VTS_02_0.VOB in vobedit and I can't find the LPCM Stream
but when I open the track in VTS_02_1.VOB ~ VTS_02_7.VOB it's present at 0xa1.
This is the only stream i remove.

I am not so familiar with vobedit,but i think this is what you want to know.

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 12:00

Originally posted by PINOBIRD
Jdobbs I have opened the VTS_02_0.VOB in vobedit and I can't find the LPCM Stream
but when I open the track in VTS_02_1.VOB ~ VTS_02_7.VOB it's present at 0xa1.
This is the only stream i remove.

I am not so familiar with vobedit,but i think this is what you want to know. That's right. The VTS_nn_0.VOB files are normally menus.

jurij

18th April 2004, 13:14

jdoobs:
Hi, since i have a few movies with multiple angles or interleaved sectoring , i would like to know if that is a "hard to support" feature of you plan to add it soon.
Thanx :)))))))))))))))

jdobbs

18th April 2004, 14:02

Originally posted by gunga
Hello Everyone,

Does anyone know why when I try to encode the movie Haute Tension,(NTSC-Interlaced-Top Field) the bitrate goes above 10.08Mbps at certain segments of the movie. I only had to watch it for twenty minutes when I get numerous stuttering/pausing in the video/audio because of this. Why is this happening with the DVD compliance flag enabled?

Using:
DVDRB 0.40
CCE 2.67.00.23/ECLCCE 1.7b
Dynamically Assign Cell Bitrates selected
Decomb Selected

Thanks..... One way to answer this conclusively if you are using one of the SP versions of CCE and you still have the directory created by DVD-RB (after phase II)...

First find out which .AVS has the offending section of the movie in it and remember the name

1. Open up a new text file with notepad.
2. Open the REBUILDER.ECL file.
3. Cut and past the first 3 lines (the header and one blank line) into the text file.
4. Go down through the entries (each starts with [Item] and ends just before the next [Item]) and select the entry that represents the offending section of the movie.
5. Cut and paste that section into the text file.
6. Save the text file at "test.ecl"
7. Drag and drop "test.ecl" into CCE.
8. Double-click on the file in CCE and encoder settings will come up.
9. Click on the "Advanced" or "Bit Allocation" button (it depends on the version.
10. The tables at the bottom will tell you the maximum bitrate applied, you can also scroll through the entire stream and see the relationship of bitrate and Q