CCE One-Click Software Beta

[redfive19]

I don't see anything by that name. Here's a copy from the ECL for the first file to be encoded:


[item]
title=V01000000001001
aud_out=0
vaf_file=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.vaf
aud_file=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.mpa
file_focused=0
packet_size=2048
width=720
height=480
frame_rate_idx=4
cbr_brate=6000
vbr_brate_avg=4079
vbr_brate_min=0
vbr_brate_max=9000
seq_endcode=1
dvd=0
half_width=0
half_height=0
lum_level=0
aspect_ratio=3
gop_m=3
gop_nm=4
gop_hdr=12
seq_hdr=1
all_closed_gop=0
fix_gop_length=0
samples_per_sec=44100
stereo=2
brate_idx=7
crc=1
progressive=0
alternate_scan=1
intra_dc_prec=2
aud_mode=0
tc_ref_frm=0
drop_frame=0
fix_vbv_delay=0
letter_box=0
pulldown_detect=0
create_new_vaf=1
credits_tweak=0
credits_start=0x00000
credits_brate=1000
h_filter=0
h_filter_idx=8
dither=0
dither_max=8
qmat_idx=0
vid_file0=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.m2v
vid_file1=Z:\BURN\DVDREBUILD\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.m2v
vid_out=1
vaf_out=1
video_type=4
timecode=0x0000000
opv_q_factor=20
opv_brate_min=0
opv_brate_max=9000
vbr_bias=10
vbr_pass=4
use_filter=0
filter_val=6
quality_prec=25
non_linear=1
top_first=0
mpeg1=0
mpeg1_cps=1

[jdobbs]

It changes depending on the version of CCE you are using. In yours it would be top_first=1

[redfive19]

@jdobbs
okay bro. thanks for the info. Is this going to be added in a future version of the app?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by rayvt
Useing DVD-RB 0.19 & 21, at the end, it says "invalid VIDEO_TS.IFO", and errors off. I've tried both rejig and QuEnc, and get the same problem. With rejig, I could open the movie (with WinDVD), but the sound was seriously out of sync). DVD-RB does a sanity check. If the VIDEO_TS file doesn't start with the correct header you get this error. You have either a corrupted or non-existent VIDEO_TS file.

[wmansir]

Regarding TFF/BFF aka Line Offset.

I know Jdobbs said he was performing pulldown if needed on the fly during rebuilding. Would it be possible to encode the video as is (line offset = 0, Topfirst=0) and then set the TFF flag during the rebuilding step, if needed?

[redfive19]

well I am completely lost. changing the field order did not work. I tried it on another of my DVD's, Sunset Blvd, and it worked splendingly but that DVD is progressive.

Has anyone had a similiar experience?

[dvdRENEGADE]

@redfive19

If you want to, you can encode any hybrid source or interlaced source as interlaced to avoid any potential problems with ivtc. If you think you've done this and have tried reversing fields and it still gives problems, you obviously are not simply encoding as interlaced or have a problem outside of the encode process. Try encoding as interlaced and see what happens.
dvdRENEGADE

[issa]

The TopFieldFirst or "Offset Line" should set to 0 or uncheck it in all case, since CCE is always output as "Top Field First".
Take a look in CCE Forum FAQ #10 & #11 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53770)
I recommand using Restream to turn off TopFieldFirst flag after you do the encoding if you have bottom field first source.

[redfive19]

Thing is, my source is top first. It's the weirdest thing I've ever seen. I will try restream anyway and fool around with it.

[quantum]

Originally posted by issa
The TopFieldFirst or "Offset Line" should set to 0 or uncheck it in all case, since CCE is always output as "Top Field First".
Take a look in CCE Forum FAQ #10 & #11 (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53770)
Look at the FAQ again. If the video is interlaced and BFF then you have to set it. Not doing this correctly is exactly what causes jerky frames.

Another case not listed in the FAQ, you have to set it correctly if you use the CCE pulldown feature.

[jir591]

Can someone explain the advantages, if any, of using a later version of CCE 2.5 with DVD-RB?

thanks

[djan]

Originally posted by jir591
Can someone explain the advantages, if any, of using a later version of CCE 2.5?

thanks I would like to know too. Is there any quality difference ? Thx.

[mikegun]

hi,

I'm sure that a search in the forums will give you tons of threats regarding this topic

mikegun

[jir591]

Originally posted by mikegun
hi,

I'm sure that a search in the forums will give you tons of threats regarding this topic

mikegun

Really .... never thought of that !!

Quite frankly I didn't want tons. Maybe one sentence would do.

[mikegun]

Originally posted by jir591
Really .... never thought of that !!

Maybe one sentence would do.

I understand. but afaik there is not that kind of answer...
I could answer "not really" ;-)

rgds.

mikegun

[geffroman]

Don't be mean to Mike... after all he is already cursed wih being the One Inch Man... :)

[mikegun]

Originally posted by geffroman
Don't be mean to Mike... after all he is already cursed wih being the One Inch Man... :)

life is hard pal :-) ...
...and thanks for your support.

m.

[robw]

Can someone explain the advantages, if any, of using a later version of CCE 2.5 with DVD-RB?

yes, it's very simple. CCE 2.67 basic is the only affordable version.

[Old1]

Can I use the one click mode with CCE 2.5 SP without ECLCCE? Will the command line sequence work OK?.

Thanks

Old1

[jdobbs]

No. CCE 2.50 doesn't have inherent command line support.

[bocinko]

... request to jdobbs:
is possible to replace one of AC3 [same size and playtime] with external one in your DVD-RB ?
If isn't, may be ? ... in future.
I want to do some DVD's dubbed with my 3rd world language.
I did them over 20, but it takes me ages and ages to do that.
If some software supports this option, just let me know.
many thanx...

sorry for my english [that's what i want my lang dubbed DVD's]

keep your great work alive.

thanx
...B

m

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by bocinko
... request to jdobbs:
is possible to replace one of AC3 [same size and playtime] with external one in your DVD-RB ?
If isn't, may be ? ... in future.
I want to do some DVD's dubbed with my 3rd world language.
I did them over 20, but it takes me ages and ages to do that.
If some software supports this option, just let me know.
many thanx...


The only way I can think of doing that would be to use the big 3 process. Then name your external file the same as the main ac3 file, and then overwrite the main ac3 file with your external one. Then when you run ScenAid your external one will be included in the scp script. In Scenarist, change the language to your language and follow the rest of the big 3 process.

Hope this helps.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by bocinko
... request to jdobbs:
is possible to replace one of AC3 [same size and playtime] with external one in your DVD-RB ?
If isn't, may be ? ... in future.
I want to do some DVD's dubbed with my 3rd world language.
I did them over 20, but it takes me ages and ages to do that.
If some software supports this option, just let me know.
many thanx...

sorry for my english [that's what i want my lang dubbed DVD's]

keep your great work alive.

thanx
...B

m Actually that shouldn't be that hard to do. First, though, I want to concentrate on getting the major bugs out. Remind me again.

[bocinko]

.... sure i'm doing it that way [but big3's is to complicated].
This mean AGEA AND AGES.
If main movie is single PGC [the best case] i use IfoEdit's DVD authoring + IfoUpdate ... but ... in both cases i need a lot of time and free space.
I know about 10 combinations and i need 1 - quick.
I mean some like VirtualDUB with DivX.
I need to do the authoring many times 'til i'm satisfied with opening mouth in right time, gunshots etc.

[if i used some wrong words, sorry, my PC translator is 5 years old]

Anyway thanx for interest.


..:B

[bocinko]

What means ... Remind me again.

Later. If Later ... When.

thank you

[jdobbs]

It means -- don't let me forget.

[redfive19]

Okay I tried the app on my Total Training For Adobe After Effects 6 DVD. The source DVD is interlaced and the final product still shows signs of jagged-ness (best way to describe it!) when say someone's hand moves. It almost looks like something was ghosted. Very very odd. Other than that, the output looks great. Picture is clear. Plus, I was able to backup this dvd and have it work. I was NOT able to do that with the BIG3 method. So kudos jdobbs. Just wish this interlaced problem was fixed!

[redfive19]

Okay, I used CCE 2.50 on the Buena Vista Social Club DVD. This time I took the exported M2V files and brought a couple into Adobe Encore DVD. I authored the dvd and I no longer see the artifacts I once did. So I will leave this go overnight and see if DVD RB fixes the interlaced problem by using CCE 2.50!

[djan]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Next up on the agenda is:
1. Allocating bitrates proportionally to each cell based upon the original bit distribution
2. Settings so bitrates can be different between VTSs so more can be allocated to the movie and less to VTSs holding extras.
3. Improvements so stills are better supported.
Hi jdobbs,

Are these todo's always in your agenda ? :) Because I'm specially waiting for the bitrate allocation. It'll give much better quality. I think it should not be too difficult to implement. When do you intend to add it ? :)

[RobertR]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Actually that shouldn't be that hard to do. First, though, I want to concentrate on getting the major bugs out. Remind me again.
Can i assume that replacing of subpic stream shouldn't be more trouble? Can i remind you about this issue when you will be closing on 1.0 release?
(still trying to find a way to squeeze polish subs into dvdr :D)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RobertR
Can i assume that replacing of subpic stream shouldn't be more trouble? Can i remind you about this issue when you will be closing on 1.0 release?
(still trying to find a way to squeeze polish subs into dvdr :D) It depends on the format of the subs. Right now I take existing subs as-is with no processing. If you have a completely compiled sub stream that is ready to be merged, yet it can be done fairly easily. But if all you have is text with times -- I'd have to write quite a bit of code to support it. I think there are other packages that might do that...

[lighty]

Originally posted by RobertR
Can i assume that replacing of subpic stream shouldn't be more trouble? Can i remind you about this issue when you will be closing on 1.0 release?


Well, you certainly have my vote on it! ;)

[RobertR]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It depends on the format of the subs. Right now I take existing subs as-is with no processing. If you have a completely compiled sub stream that is ready to be merged, yet it can be done fairly easily. But if all you have is text with times -- I'd have to write quite a bit of code to support it. I think there are other packages that might do that...
Compiled sub stream in some known and supported by other application format is all that's needed (hmm this would mean .sup format? most probably yes). There is realy now reason for you to waste your time on coding stuff like actually compiling sub streams. Your work on this app as well as on IfoUpdate is more precious for us (us being so selfish :D).
As for donations i would gladly do that but PayPal is no option for people living in Poland :( Could You consider some other ways of donating?

[Longevity]

Jdobbs,

Will you be able to fix the run-time erro 6 'overflow' problem? I am excited just by reading all the postings and cannot wait to test it out.

[rayvt]

Okay on the "bad VIDEO_TS.IFO" error. I had ripped the DVD with smartripper, and only kept the main movie. When I re-ripped the whole thing, dvd-rb worked fine.

Problem is-----I only wanted the main movie, not all that other cr*p. The movie is 5.6GB and the whole DVD is 7.7GB. Doing the movie only, dvd-rb used 85% compression, and doing the entire DVD was around 50%. I hate to waste all those bits on inane directors comments and trailers and "the-making-of" items that I will never watch.

I guess I was just assuming that dvd-rb would work like DVDShrink and let me pick just the main movie. Any suggestions here? Any plans for dvd-rb to allow one to specify which vob sets to include and which to omit?

I'm assuming that the primary reason for writing dvd-rb was to be able to use a rejig/quenc/cce as (presumably) higher-quality re-encoder(s) than whatever DVDShrink uses, right?

BTW, it might be nice if you could have two "work directories", one for the intermediate AVS files and one for the final VIDEO_TS files. That way, you could put them on different physical hard drives and hopefully increase the speed. Watching the performance graphs, it looks like the CPU utilization is low and the disk is running flat-out.

Ah...one more thing. If there are special characters (like space, parenthesis, etc.) anywhere in the directory names, dvd-rb gets horribly confused---everything after that character is dropped, and it can't find the files.

Thanks,
Ray

[lab-one]

@rayvt

Problem is-----I only wanted the main movie, not all that other cr*p. The movie is 5.6GB and the whole DVD is 7.7GB. Doing the movie only, dvd-rb used 85% compression, and doing the entire DVD was around 50%. I hate to waste all those bits on inane directors comments and trailers and "the-making-of" items that I will never watch.

First, amen to the above....

I guess I was just assuming that dvd-rb would work like DVDShrink and let me pick just the main movie. Any suggestions here? Any plans for dvd-rb to allow one to specify which vob sets to include and which to omit?

Second, I have used DVDShrink (no compression) on 2 movies that I have then ran through DVD-RB. I removed everything except the main movie and the audio streams and have absolutely no problems (except the FF/RW issues that have been fixed since). Might want to try this if smartripper isn't working.

[jdobbs]

@rayvtAh...one more thing. If there are special characters (like space, parenthesis, etc.) anywhere in the directory names, dvd-rb gets horribly confused---everything after that character is dropped, and it can't find the files. ???? I have spaces in my output all the time. But I'll test it tonight.

[robw]

Just a comment on what you want ... main movie only (yes/no), extras, menus, etc.

I use the following workflow which has been very satisfactory and works excellent with DVD-RB and gives me all the options.

1. Rip the DVD to HD using DVDStripper
http://www.dvdstripper.com/
This program works in conjunction with DVD Decrypter and IFOEdit. It will copy the DVD and let you choose what to keep and what to toss. You simply double click on the elements in your DVD and decide what goes and what stays. It will then take the pieces and reconstruct a working DVD on your HD in a VIDEO_TS folder of your choosing.

2. Run DVD-RB

3. Run DVDReMake.
http://www.dimadsoft.com/dvdremake/index.php
First you read in the DVD from DVD-RB folder, next eliminate any menu items if you eliminated stuff in step 1 (this isn't required, it just makes your menus look better). Finally, write out your DVD to a new directory. All the VOB/IFO navigation stuff is updated.

Give this a try. I'm quite sure many of you will like this approach.

[psdos]

jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL")

[GooglyBear]

Originally posted by psdos
jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL")

umm.. I use CCE 2.67.00.23 and it worked fine.. I loaded up the rundown iso on daemon tools and let 1click do its thing.. i even used 30 for the prec and vbr-5 pass.. 12+ hours later it finished without a flaw..

odd enough i'm re-running it right now after first using dvdshrink on it since last night it crapped out on me.. hopefully this one goes straight through as well if not i'm off to the bug thread for research/report :scared:

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL")

Install AviSynth 2.54 to the default dir and copy mpeg2dec3dg.dll to the C:\Program Files\AviSynth\Plugins directory. :)

[psdos]

what options for CCE 2.67.00.23?
Basic 2.67+?

P.D. error is open CCE but it dont anything

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
what options for CCE 2.67.00.23?
Basic 2.67+?

P.D. error is open CCE but it dont anything

No. 2.66+

Write me your mail. I'll send you config file. :o)

[hypo20]

Ok.

Here's my configuration for DVD-RB 0.23 and CCE SP 2.66 and higher.
eclCCE and DVD-RB 0.23 also included. Just put CCE and files in archive to the same dir and run dvd-rb.

@jdobbs
If you have something against distributing on my server, please let me know, and I will remove it.

http://www.columnium.com/hypo/dvdrb/dvdrbini.zip

[psdos]

the link is break, i dont download

[hypo20]

Whops. Link updated. My mistake. :)

[hypo20]

confid there updated.

[psdos]

Ok RB open now eclCCE and compress.
One think more, i put 4 pass and i see only 3 to you too?

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
Ok RB open now eclCCE and compress.
One think more, i put 4 pass and i see only 3 to you too?

I'm using standard 2-pass VBR encoding.

[psdos]

Error 9 in run time ohhhh the film is episode 1 star wars, error is for multi angle?

[hypo20]

Originally posted by psdos
Error 9 in run time ohhhh the film is episode 1 star wars, error is for multi angle?

I think yes. It is not supporting multiangles at this time.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by psdos
jdobbs, DVD-RB dont work with CCE 2.67.00.23 because the AVS file is not complete, you´ll know say me if in AVS is if necesary?

LoadPlugin("C:\windows\system32\MPEG2DEC.DLL") Go back through the thread and find references to the registry entry for AVISYNTH -- that's where your problem is. Also make sure MPEG2DEC.DLL is located in the AVISYNTH plug-in directory. I'd also recommend you use MPEG2DEC3dg. My parsing of the D2V files is based upon the dg versions (so there are no missing frames).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by hypo20
Ok.

Here's my configuration for DVD-RB 0.23 and CCE SP 2.66 and higher.
eclCCE and DVD-RB 0.23 also included. Just put CCE and files in archive to the same dir and run dvd-rb.

@jdobbs
If you have something against distributing on my server, please let me know, and I will remove it.

http://www.columnium.com/hypo/dvdrb/dvdrbini.zip As long as it stays up-to-date. The changes are being made daily, and I want to avoid getting bug reports on older versions. You'll notice that I've been deleting the older versions from this site as I go.

[hypo20]

Originally posted by jdobbs
As long as it stays up-to-date. The changes are being made daily, and I want to avoid getting bug reports on older versions. You'll notice that I've been deleting the older versions from this site as I go.

I'll be updating it too. Don't worry, I fully understand to you. :)

[jdobbs]

Just a note to all. I think I found what was causing the resizing error (only when using CCE). But, I posted before making a full test (it takes a while for a CCE encode). I'm hoping it correctly sizes now -- please let me know what sizes you are getting from the new calculation.

To all the beta testers: I sincerely thank you for your time and trouble.

[hypo20]

Originally posted by hypo20
http://www.columnium.com/hypo/dvdrb/dvdrbini.zip

Ok. Tested 0.24 version with this config. Link updated to last version. Put CCE and files inside archive to the same dir and work. :)

[zakmccrack]

Dear friends,
I`m new in the english forum of Doom9 :scared:

I`m writing a little utility {is in italian but there are only 2 buttons} that fix all the AVS file adding the line LoadPlugIn just with one click

If you need download the file above and remove `.txt` estension at the file

http://forum.doom9.it/download.php?id=624


ZakMcCrack:)

[Hoox]

@jdobbs:

Hi. Looks like you are making great progress. I'm still getting the Run-time error: '9' though :(

Im using DVD-RB 0.24
CCE 2.66.01.07 with ECLCCE 1.7b
Trying to backup "The Life of David Gale" R2.
I have ripped the dvd with DVDDecrypter and mounted with Daemon-Tools.

It looks like DVD-RB encodes all the small files but skips the big main movie and goes to Phase III - ReBuilding.
It gives me the Error 9 when trying to process VTS_02 wich is the not-encoded main movie.

[Roe5685]

i put this on two machines where i have no problem doing cce 2.5 by hand or using dvd2dvdr. with rebuilder on the one machine it freezes somewhere along the way. on the other machine it hits various runtime errors like "invalid property state". i must say that as the new rebuilds come out i seem to be getting further.
i tried rejig and it wanted me to put in a number from 1 to 100. i actually did this while i was having coffee but after two cups of coffee it was still asking for 1 to 100 input as if i was in a lottery so i had to abort.

my question is to the readers who seem to have gotten a lot further than me is do you have any suggestions at a basic level so i can get further alont with rebuilder?

what a fun interface!

rosemary.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Roe5685
i put this on two machines where i have no problem doing cce 2.5 by hand or using dvd2dvdr. with rebuilder on the one machine it freezes somewhere along the way. on the other machine it hits various runtime errors like "invalid property state". i must say that as the new rebuilds come out i seem to be getting further.
i tried rejig and it wanted me to put in a number from 1 to 100. i actually did this while i was having coffee but after two cups of coffee it was still asking for 1 to 100 input as if i was in a lottery so i had to abort.

my question is to the readers who seem to have gotten a lot further than me is do you have any suggestions at a basic level so i can get further alont with rebuilder?

what a fun interface!

rosemary. Put in a number? Where does that come from?

[Roe5685]

To answer your question:
Rejig puts a screen up that it is compressing. It tells you 55% or whatever and the program continures. However my screen came up 103% and rejig put up a small rectangle for the user to pick a number from 1 to 100 and the 103% was highlighted on the larger screen. We all understand the issue here and I supplied the number. The screen came back up and I arbitarily supplied new % numbers several times before I gave up. i.e. I kept moving the number supplied downwards towards zero.
Further information:
I just tried on a third computer used to do cce projects by hand ( and sometimes with dvd2dvdr ) to do a cce 2.5 and then a rejig job with rebuilder but kept getting "run time error "9" subscript out of range error". ( I had just processed this movie with dvd2avi,cce, ifoedit etc ). I then switched to from the lost in translation movie only decoded by dvddecrypter to a different movie chicago also on the hard drive and tried again with rejig. Chicago has reached video demuxing stage. ( I have reached this stage before ).
All of the above work was on NTSC material. I have not tried processing any PAL DVD's.
Good luck . Happy to help.

Rosemary.

[Roe5685]

I switched from using arbitrarily lost in translation and transporter to chicago and am getting further with my rebuilder attempts but have not yet completed once.
Have given up for the time being with cce 2.5 as I keep getting run time errors and additionally when i finish stage one it asks me for the cce 2.5 path which is in already in place but it does not proceed unless you put the cc2 2.5 path for the other two cce's.
On rejig I got to the end and at that point it said on the screen in addition to "100%" :
correcting VTS sectors
Improper Video_TS.Ifo file
Aborting

Does anybody have a clue what to do here?
Like maybe I should erase the ifo file?

Rosemary

[Offline]

At first I had the "subscript out of range error" and the orange stripes on the video problem using CCE 2.5 (full version) and 2.6x (Trial) plus EclCCE.

As well as following advice from this forum
(re: Mpeg2dec3 plugin fix + Resample Audio fix) I found that to get rid of both problems
I had to uninstall my copy of DVD2SVCD and AVISYNTH 2.5x, reinstall Avisynth 2.53. (latest version)and run Rebuilder in 3 click mode.

So far I tested 2 PAL progressive titles (one at half d1) with
impressive results (Q set at 5, passes at 4) using CCE 2.5 and
ReJig (with less impressive results of course ):D

[paulers]

Hi Everyone,

I apologize if this issue was covered before. I am using dvdrb .16 and CCe 2.5 and in small parts of the movie the audio is out of sync for a couple seconds. Any suggestions? The rest of the movie looks great!

I just read that there is a newer version of dvdrb out. Do you think this may fix my problem?

[tf]

Follow the ancient advice:

"Whenever in doubt, try"

;-)

-tf

[hypo20]

Originally posted by paulers
Hi Everyone,

I apologize if this issue was covered before. I am using dvdrb .16 and CCe 2.5 and in small parts of the movie the audio is out of sync for a couple seconds. Any suggestions? The rest of the movie looks great!

I just read that there is a newer version of dvdrb out. Do you think this may fix my problem?

.16??? 100yrs behind monkeys.

jdobbs is making big steps with every version, and now it's .24!!!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Roe5685
To answer your question:
Rejig puts a screen up that it is compressing. It tells you 55% or whatever and the program continures. However my screen came up 103% and rejig put up a small rectangle for the user to pick a number from 1 to 100 and the 103% was highlighted on the larger screen. We all understand the issue here and I supplied the number. The screen came back up and I arbitarily supplied new % numbers several times before I gave up. i.e. I kept moving the number supplied downwards towards zero.
Further information:
I just tried on a third computer used to do cce projects by hand ( and sometimes with dvd2dvdr ) to do a cce 2.5 and then a rejig job with rebuilder but kept getting "run time error "9" subscript out of range error". ( I had just processed this movie with dvd2avi,cce, ifoedit etc ). I then switched to from the lost in translation movie only decoded by dvddecrypter to a different movie chicago also on the hard drive and tried again with rejig. Chicago has reached video demuxing stage. ( I have reached this stage before ).
All of the above work was on NTSC material. I have not tried processing any PAL DVD's.
Good luck . Happy to help.

Rosemary. That's a bug I've recently fixed. If you get a value greater than 100% that means your original disk is already small enough to fit on a DVD-R and there is no reason to compress it. I forgot to check for that -- so my code made the assumption that it could compress at a rate of 103% -- luckily Nic's ReJig software knows better and catches it.

Even more interesting is if you try this with CCE. It will actually redo all of the cells at a bitrate that is 107% of the original. Of course the quality can never be better than the original so there really is never a good time to do this.

[quantum]

@jdobbs: Enough talk. Yesterday we didn't have a new version of dvd-rb and this disappointed me greatly. It's getting late today and this concerns me that we may not have an update today. That would be two days in a row without an update. Please try to work harder to prevent lapses like this in the future. :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by quantum
@jdobbs: Enough talk. Yesterday we didn't have a new version of dvd-rb and this disappointed me greatly. It's getting late today and this concerns me that we may not have an update today. That would be two days in a row without an update. Please try to work harder to prevent lapses like this in the future. :) Yeah. My wife wanted me to actually go out to dinner tonight. Can you believe it? I may not have another version until tomorrow. I'm trying to make sure the fixes are really in this time -- I was very excited about the code I used in .24 and released it before thoroughly testing. I was a little depressed to see it didn't fix the pixelation/program problems. I've since gone back and done more comparisons only to find that I have some audio packet offset problems in the NAVPACK. I looked at my values and thought they were right, but it disagrees with the output of other programs so my understanding of the standard must be wrong. That really sucks... now I have to do some (gulp) research.

[Trahald]

yeah.. wives are funny like that sometimes. go figure.

[robw]

Any married man should forget his mistakes, - there's no use in two people remembering the same thing. :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by robw
Any married man should forget his mistakes, - there's no use in two people remembering the same thing. :) LOL

[sidders]

Will it be possible in later versions to adjust the bitrate between the extras and the main movie, ratehr than have the same bitrate for all?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by sidders
Will it be possible in later versions to adjust the bitrate between the extras and the main movie, ratehr than have the same bitrate for all? Absolutely. But any/all enhancements have to wait until I fix the existing bugs.

[paulers]

Hi everyone,

I have a size question.


I was using dvdrb v.16 and CCE 2.50 when I processed School of Rock with 4 passes and it came out to be 4.3g. Lastnight I switched to dvdrb v.24 and processed the same move adding an additional pass (totaling 5) and the total size came out to be 3.6g. Did I forget to adjust an option? Why would the movie come out so much smaller?

thanks for all your help! :)

[robw]

JDobbs has already explained. Its an inadvertant error that snuck in and will be fixed in the next release (today?).

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by paulers
Hi everyone,

I have a size question.


I was using dvdrb v.16 and CCE 2.50 when I processed School of Rock with 4 passes and it came out to be 4.3g. Lastnight I switched to dvdrb v.24 and processed the same move adding an additional pass (totaling 5) and the total size came out to be 3.6g. Did I forget to adjust an option? Why would the movie come out so much smaller?

thanks for all your help! :) It is a sizing bug that was introduced in v0.22 -- it's fixed and will be in v0.25.

[tf]

Here's hoping it WON'T be in 0.25 - the bug, that is! ;-)

-tf

[djan]

Isn't the time to close this topic and continue in the two other topics specially opened the one for "suggestions and comments" and the other for "errors and bugs" ? Because we become a little confused to read all the 3 topics for one program.

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by djan
Isn't the time to close this topic and continue in the two other topics specially opened the one for "suggestions and comments" and the other for "errors and bugs" ? Because we become a little confused to read all the 3 topics for one program.

I agree.

[nurseman]

I'm a rookie at this... and sorry about my english!
I have found all kind of problems in the use of RB and i want to now if anybody as already try the DVD ReBuilder in a Episode DVD? like "The Sex & The City" or "Space 1999"

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nurseman
I'm a rookie at this... and sorry about my english!
I have found all kind of problems in the use of RB and i want to now if anybody as already try the DVD ReBuilder in a Episode DVD? like "The Sex & The City" or "Space 1999" It should work fine with episodic DVDs. What kind of problems are you experiencing? I've found that many of the problems are associated with incorrect installation. You may want to read the setup instructions on this post/page. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&postid=465822)

[kilg0r3]

@ jdopps
Hi,
I know, with this post, I definitely run the risk of getting bashed by all people who have already read the other similar posts in the New AV-Formats Codec forum. But anyway ...

For DVD2SVCD there is the famous RoBa plugin which dramatically reduces encoding time with CCE because instead of doing one or even multiple analysis passes, it just analyzes (well sort off) 2% of the movie about 5 times an then starts a full encode at a fixed quality setting. This prediction method is of course not as accurate as the 'original' but up to now I have never seen under/oversizings larger than 4%, and, the good thing is that you can specify how to handle oversizing. RoBa can either do a full second pass or, if the size deviation is not larger than a specified percentage it uses the included requantizer to reduce the filesize.
The full description (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64886) is in the DVD2SVCD Basics section.

IMveryHO, it looks like it would not be too difficult to implement this kind of functionality because the plugin is already cce based, and, wouldn't it be cool to finish a 120min DVD in ab out the same time?

Cheers, kilg0r3

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by kilg0r3
@ jdopps
Hi,
I know, with this post, I definitely run the risk of getting bashed by all people who have already read the other similar posts in the New AV-Formats Codec forum. But anyway ...

For DVD2SVCD there is the famous RoBa plugin which dramatically reduces encoding time with CCE because instead of doing one or even multiple analysis passes, it just analyzes (well sort off) 2% of the movie about 5 times an then starts a full encode at a fixed quality setting. This prediction method is of course not as accurate as the 'original' but up to now I have never seen under/oversizings larger than 4%, and, the good thing is that you can specify how to handle oversizing. RoBa can either do a full second pass or, if the size deviation is not larger than a specified percentage it uses the included requantizer to reduce the filesize.
The full description (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64886) is in the DVD2SVCD Basics section.

IMveryHO, it looks like it would not be too difficult to implement this kind of functionality because the plugin is already cce based, and, wouldn't it be cool to finish a 120min DVD in ab out the same time?

Cheers, kilg0r3 I'm familiar with RoBa. I also stand a possible thrashing if I even voice an opinion about the RoBa method that is contrary to Dogma. But in my very humble opinion (please be gentle with me, those of you who worship at this alter) -- you can't get the same level of quality from single pass encoding because it defies the laws of physics.

Don't get me wrong -- you can get OUTSTANDING results, and in many instances where the bandwidth is enough you won't be able to tell the difference between RoBa and 2 Pass encoding... but when the going gets tough and bits are at a premium (which is often the case with full-DVD recompression) you really need to spread the available bits across a large VBR consideration area.

A single pass VBR encoder must make its bitrate allocations based upon a small domain (could be a GOP, or some fixed buffer size -- I'm not sure what CCE uses). It then applies whatever rate it needs to reach a certain quality level within that domain. In RoBa, all you are doing in the first phase is trying to find out what Q must be used to get the size under control.

But -- for those who really want to speed up the process, I will put this on my wish list... you're right that it wouldn't be that hard.

[kilg0r3]

Thank you.

[paulers]

I tried the rejig feature in .25 and as its processing the files I get the Microsoft Windows error dialog asking me if I wish to send them my error details. if I click "no" dvdrb continues to the next file untill eventually I get an error about subscript out of range or something like that. Is anyone else havine issues like that?

[Mad_Max_73]

Hi Jdobbs...
Don't u think....to remove pixelation between chapters u must encode the stream in one step???
I think is better encode with CCE using chapters points and multiplex the wole thing...:confused:

[nurseman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It should work fine with episodic DVDs. What kind of problems are you experiencing? I've found that many of the problems are associated with incorrect installation. You may want to read the setup instructions on this post/page. (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73051&postid=465822)

i will try the guides posted by you and them i say something about...
at this moment the enconde just don't... encode. The CCE run in a few seconds and start de rebuilder fase (III) without de episodes

[nurseman]

Now what...?
I do by the book and nothing... or worst
I get a runtime error 9 just at the start in the demux

[JvD]

Not a new problem. Jdobbs is working on it. Read about it in previous posts (the bug thread). What movie is it?

PS. Its called rebuild with this sweet little app ;-) DS.

[djan]

Originally posted by nurseman
Now what...?
I do by the book and nothing... or worst
I get a runtime error 9 just at the start in the demux Did you try another DVD ?

[nurseman]

I devote my time to episodes DVD.
I'm working on The Sex & The City Seson 2

Thanks for all the help... Rebuild OK

[CiViC]

Originally posted by Mad_Max_73
Hi Jdobbs...
Don't u think....to remove pixelation between chapters u must encode the stream in one step???
I think is better encode with CCE using chapters points and multiplex the wole thing...:confused:

yeah but it wouldn't be able to handle hybrid dvd's without ivtc then, would it..?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Mad_Max_73
Hi Jdobbs...
Don't u think....to remove pixelation between chapters u must encode the stream in one step???
I think is better encode with CCE using chapters points and multiplex the wole thing...:confused: ???? I don't think I get the connection between pixelation and a whole encode... But, no. There are many reasons why I shouldn't do that -- one of which is that fact that CCE Basic (which is the cheap legal CCE solution) doesn't have a chapter capability.

[r6d2]

@jdobbs,

Not giving up yet. Now trying the same movie with v0.26, three click method.

I have the ECL open with CCE now. I see the BR is always the same. Is there a simple way to have the main movie encoded at higher BR and all the extras encoded at Half-D1?

If not, does it make sense as a useful feature?

[jdobbs]

That'll have to come later. First I need to get rid of all '9' errors, and then enable stills and interleaving (seamless branching and multiple angles).

[casonbang]

I've been trying to backup Baraka (simple DVD with 1 extra) since version .16 but the finished product would always have problems loading the disc or skipping chapters.

Finally with version .26 it works!! It looks like all the issues with chapters have been resolved and the DVD works in all my players.

I'm looking forward to interleaving and encoding extras at a lower bitrate. Thanks for making this high-quality backup method available to those of us without the time for the Big 3!

[unplugged]

Just a little question... what are the cons of Rejig's "minimize disc space requirements" ?
as it's not checked by default.
thanks

[influenza]

I'm familiar with RoBa. I also stand a possible thrashing if I even voice an opinion about the RoBa method that is contrary to Dogma. But in my very humble opinion (please be gentle with me, those of you who worship at this alter) -- you can't get the same level of quality from single pass encoding because it defies the laws of physics.

Hmm if you use the big 3 method you can choose between either roba or multipass vbr. If you choose ROBA it doesn't mean that a single pass encoding is done. Difference is between the first pass that is done: 1 pass VBR against 1 pass constant bitrate I believe. After that some other passes will follow based on the number you've set.

So maybe there's some confusion about the term roba here?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by unplugged
Just a little question... what are the cons of Rejig's "minimize disc space requirements" ?
as it's not checked by default.
thanks Normally DVD-RB demuxes the cells into .MPV files and then uses ReJig on each for reduction -- creating a .M2V file (which is then used in the REBUILD). In "Minimize disc space requirements" the .MPV is deleted immediately after running ReJig. The plus is that you don't need as much available space -- the con is that you can't run ENCODE a second time (the files are gone).

[Mad_Max_73]

ok...anyway...
I've done a backup of Being john malkovich yesterday and it played fine with ritek g4 on my standalone player...
I've noticed pixelation beetwen chapters only on my xbox using ricoh 4x +rw written a full speed, so i think is a read problem...
Will do some more test...
About donation...your paypal mail?

[jdobbs]

The pixelation problems should be a thing of the past (as of v0.26). Paypal mail is DVD-RB@COMCAST.NET

[nwg]

Mad_Max_73 wrote,
I've noticed pixelation between chapters only on my xbox using ricoh 4x +rw written a full speed, so i think is a read problem...

Try writing at a slower speed. I don't go above 2x/2.4x. I have seen pixelating problems when burning too fast.

Did you use 026?

[mayhem2408]

I've set VBR_Passes in settings to 3, the CCE still does 2 passes. the INI file shows eclpasses=3 but the REBUILDER.ECL file only shows vbr_pass=2.

BTW. Love the software. Finally an easy solution with Quality in mind over speed.

[nwg]

I've set VBR_Passes in settings to 3, the CCE still does 2 passes. the INI file shows eclpasses=3 but the REBUILDER.ECL file only shows vbr_pass=2.

The created VAF file is considered a pass and is your 1st pass with two passes by CCE.

[mayhem2408]

Cool. I am use to the way CCE does it. 3 passes is 3 encoding passes. The vaf pass does not count.

I like this software so much, I've made my donation. The Picture quality is incredible. And I like having the option of using rejig for speed or CCE for Quality. I've been waiting for a tool like this for a long time.

[nwg]

The Picture quality is incredible. And I like having the option of using rejig for speed or CCE for Quality. I've been waiting for a tool like this for a long time.


I agree. I also like QuEnc which is a bit faster than CCE and on the discs I did, the quality was just as good. Plus it's free. It just does 2 passes though.

[najt]

What can I use to remove extras before I use DVD Rebuilder? but keep the menus.

[nwg]

What can I use to remove extras before I use DVD Rebuilder? but keep the menus

Process the DVD through Titleset Blanker or DVD Stripper first.

[mayhem2408]

I am preparing a DVD-RB with APOLLO13. It say 94,781/19,500 FRAMES/RFFS. What does RFFS mean?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
I am preparing a DVD-RB with APOLLO13. It say 94,781/19,500 FRAMES/RFFS. What does RFFS mean? That stands for Repeat First Field. It is a flag used in converting 24fps (23.976) FILM sources to 30fps (29.97) used in NTSC television. It takes half of one picture and half of another to create a new frame (for non progressive NTSC players).

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
It is a flag used in converting 24fps (23.976) FILM sources to 30fps (29.97) used in NTSC television.Sorry if this is an obvious question, jdobbs, but do you take advantage of force filming/pulldown?

/Add:

As per the Readme,6. When completed -- simply use any burning package (such as B's Recorder Gold, RecordNow Max, or Nero) -- there is usually a package provided with your DVD Burner. You must write two directories (AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS), that will exist in the "Working Path" you specified in step 3.
I don't have an AUDIO_TS folder. Did I do something wrong?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by r6d2
I don't have an AUDIO_TS folder. Did I do something wrong? No. I did. I forgot to create that folder. But that's okay -- it's just an empty folder with that name. Make sure it is all caps.

[r6d2]

Thanks. I guess my other question was too obvious. :o

[jdobbs]

Sorry if this is an obvious question, jdobbs, but do you take advantage of force filming/pulldown?Not at all. Yes I do. You have an option of forcing film or if you can choose automatic film detection. Pulldown is done by my program in the REBUILD phase.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Not at all. Yes I do.Oh, I see. I had seen the option, but all the M2Vs are output at 30fps so I thought it was not taken into account somehow. But looking at the ECL file now I see some of them have the 24 fps setting.

I find your approach to the problem brilliant, jddobs. You just shrink the stuff at low level and keep all the authoring and structure.

Regarding the selectable frame size feature (1/2 D1 for all but the main movie), you could encode all the extras first in OPV mode, Q=30, and then use the available space to allocate the best BR for the movie.

(I've been tempted to post some evidence about OPV being actually better than multipass, but I'd not like to defy the laws of physics.) :D

[blueray]

Regarding the new DVD-RB and DVD2SVCD (DVD TO DVD mode),
I would like to hear some comments from experienced users of both
on how these two would compare (quality of output, ease of use, user control, time required, etc..). I realize the DVD rebuilder is still in beta phase. I mainly like to do movie only, but occasionaly do episodic dvd's. Thanks for your comments.

[kilg0r3]

I wouldn't know how to do episodic dvds in DVD2SVCD. But I am also a n00b in this field

[walkistalki]

Sorry if this question has already been answered, but the thread is getting long...

I found that several programs install a version of dvd2avi. as i couldn't find a setting in dvd-rb, where does it go and find dvd2avidg.exe. how can we verify it uses the fixed version? (i put the MPEG2DEC3dg file in the correct avisynth folder, but what about the executable)

thx for clarifying

[djan]

Originally posted by walkistalki
Sorry if this question has already been answered, but the thread is getting long...

I found that several programs install a version of dvd2avi. as i couldn't find a setting in dvd-rb, where does it go and find dvd2avidg.exe. how can we verify it uses the fixed version? (i put the MPEG2DEC3dg file in the correct avisynth folder, but what about the executable)

thx for clarifying You don't need DVD2AVI, you just need the dll plugin "MPEG2DEC3dg.dll" that you have to put in the AviSynth Plugin directory. It's all.

[djan]

Originally posted by blueray
Regarding the new DVD-RB and DVD2SVCD (DVD TO DVD mode),
I would like to hear some comments from experienced users of both
on how these two would compare (quality of output, ease of use, user control, time required, etc..). I realize the DVD rebuilder is still in beta phase. I mainly like to do movie only, but occasionaly do episodic dvd's. Thanks for your comments. DVDRB can use CCE as encoder, so the quality may be the same. DVDRB is much easier than DVD2SVCD. I think the major people using BIG3 is now using DVDRB. :D It is maybe in beta state but it works like a jewel.

[LEGiON-1]

I can't get DVD-RB to work at all.

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

If I point it to my ECLCCE exe it will run CCE then I get errors saying AVIFileOpen has no program to run the .ECL files created by DVD-RB. I tried associating them with eclCEE but no joy.

This is using 0.27... any ideas?

[robw]

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

you can't use CCE 2.50 directly because it doesn't work with parameters passed on a command line. You need to install EclCCE first. Once EclCCE is installed, run it once. It will ask you where CCE is installed. Then go back to DVDrb and under option->setup insert the path to EclCCE in the box where you enter the path to CCE 2.50 SP.

That should take care of your problem. Good luck.

[LEGiON-1]

Originally posted by robw
you can't use CCE 2.50 directly because it doesn't work with parameters passed on a command line. You need to install EclCCE first. Once EclCCE is installed, run it once. It will ask you where CCE is installed. Then go back to DVDrb and under option->setup insert the path to EclCCE in the box where you enter the path to CCE 2.50 SP.

That should take care of your problem. Good luck.

Nope, that didn't help. The exact wording of the error is:

AVIFileOpen("D:\DVD2\D2VAVS\ITEM.ECL") : According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it.

[robw]

which version of EclCCE are you using? For me version 1.8 had a bug and did not work. I went back to 1.7b and all is fine.

[nwg]

AVIFileOpen("D:\DVD2\D2VAVS\ITEM.ECL") : According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it.

I got the same error with eclCCE 1.8, I went back to 1.7.

[RB]

As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050&perpage=20&pagenumber=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for :)

[jptheripper]

Rb is churning away for me

I did one test (and was up to date on this thread for a while but missed a week, so if this is already asked my apoligies).

Anyone find a loss of menu functionality? i ran a dvd that encoded seemingly perfectly but all the buttons were gone in the menu (menu still there but no buttons, even menuedit reported the buttons were gone).

seems like an odd problem

-jp

[r6d2]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
Not sure if anymore is interested in this.:goodpost: IMHO this is in fact a great idea, mayhem2408!

Although I wonder if extras at Full D1 will look well with such low BRs, and that's when the 1/2 D1 cames in. You could also set half width in CCE in order to achieve that for all VTSs but the main movie.

[geffroman]

IMHO - I find that in most cases menus and extras being much smaller than movie require huge compression to gain much. Compressing 2% to 3% to 10% and more on Extras might only gain 1% on movie... And nothing sets a negative tone for a DVD experience more than when the first thing you see is a horrible looking First Play Menu... Uncomfortable momment: You brag to the buddies about this great quality DVD Backup you do and they come over to watch a flick and up on the screen pops up a pixelated blocky menu video of Spiderman and you sink into your chair explaining... "NO NO NO... I mean the MOVIE is great quality". :eek:

Compared to the movie data, extras and menus are typically already about as bad as they can be... Equal bit rate reduction always make the menus and extras look horrible before the same bit rate will ruin a movie, so taking it a step further to compress the extras even more doesn't make sense TO ME. I would rather give up 0.2% compression on the movie because it might buy me as much as 20% improvement on the opening menu... Now if none of this matters to you a "movie only disc" is a good option... But if you LIKE menus and the whole DVD experience, why then would you want them to look bad when that extra compression on them just doesn't buy you much on the movie...

A 2 disc DVD set with an isolated Bonus Disc sure goes well when all else forces too much compromise... Again, just IMHO.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by LEGiON-1
I can't get DVD-RB to work at all.

If I point it to my original CCE 2.50 exe in 3 click mode, when I hit encode it doesn't actually encode, it just creates a list in the program and then seems to be finished. At no point does CCE execute.

If I point it to my ECLCCE exe it will run CCE then I get errors saying AVIFileOpen has no program to run the .ECL files created by DVD-RB. I tried associating them with eclCEE but no joy.

This is using 0.27... any ideas? This is a known problem. Go back to v1.7b on eclCCE. It is related to what appears to be a bug in 2.50 with drag-and-drop (eclCCE 1.8). To make it work, I'll try to figure out a way to prevent it from the DVD-RB side.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73050&perpage=20&pagenumber=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for :) I'll give it my best shot. But if it isn't related to order in the .ECL I don't know what I could do.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by geffroman
IMHO - I find that in most cases menus and extras being much smaller than movie require huge compression to gain much. Compressing 2% to 3% to 10% and more on Extras might only gain 1% on movie...Good point. However, when encoding the extras at half D1 (352x480/576), you don't lose much quality. You lose some sharpness, of course, but really hard to notice on a regular TV.

In fact, a CVD encode (Half D1) may need as less as 75% the BR of a Full D1, and have the same quantization distribution (i.e. "quality" in encoder terms).

The fact that a great bunch of DVDs have lots of extras pumps up the savings to a significant amount, which you can transfer to the main movie. After all, if keeping an even BR distribution and "top quality" across the original DVD is your target, you might better split it into 2 DVDs and be absolutely happy. ;)

In general, I think the differential quality feature is a nice to have, and of course it would be optional, so you could still have equal BR along the whole set if that is what you're after. IMHO, a much better criteria is to distribute the BR so quantization is uniform, not BR itself. It has been throughly proven that some streams compress much better than others, so why waste BR when not needed?

[E-Male]

i tried making dvdr's at low resolution, but never managed to make them (with subs and multiple audio streams)
seems to me it's not that easy

[r6d2]

Originally posted by E-Male
seems to me it's not that easy Generally available authoring programs are sometimes not powerfull enough for advanced stuff, but I think this would work quite transparently with internal authoring of Rebuilder. But ultimately only jddobs can tell, I think, once (and if) he gets into this feature.

[zur128]

Echoing everyone, this is a great tool. I have two questions on the setup

1. I note that people are talking about multipass in CCE. Where is the options set for the number of passes, especially in the One Click method?

2. In Options/setup, the last application path is MPEG2DEC. Is this meant to be the path for MPEG2DECDG.dll?? The guide in the program just mentioned that the MPEG2DECDG.DLL should be in the Avisynth plugin directory. I assumed that I do not need to set this?? Also what does the "Add to AVS file" check do??

Thanks

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zur128
Echoing everyone, this is a great tool. I have two questions on the setup

1. I note that people are talking about multipass in CCE. Where is the options set for the number of passes, especially in the One Click method?

2. In Options/setup, the last application path is MPEG2DEC. Is this meant to be the path for MPEG2DECDG.dll?? The guide in the program just mentioned that the MPEG2DECDG.DLL should be in the Avisynth plugin directory. I assumed that I do not need to set this?? Also what does the "Add to AVS file" check do??

Thanks
1. Under Options/CCE/Settings
2. Yes. There is more than one version of MPEG2DEC. But now that I think about it, I think I'll change it. Any other version might cause problems since my .D2V generation is designed to work with the DG no-frames-lost version.

[zur128]

Thanks for the personal reply. Still wondering what the check box for "Add to AVS file" does?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by zur128
Thanks for the personal reply. Still wondering what the check box for "Add to AVS file" does? If you put the path in it stores if for future use. But it only references it if you check that box. This is made specially for those people who are having problems with the location of MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL.

[onesoul]

@mayhem2408

About the tool you made. Well, I don't think at this stage is a good thing to introduce new things that could fall beyond the grip of jdobbs, imagine people going through bugs because of oustide tools. It would be a better option in my opinion to help the developing by bug reporting, comments and suggestions (ok, I know I'm describing the thread topics :)). Of course the ultimate opinion is from the man, jdobbs.

Cheers

[jdobbs]

I have to agree and ask that anyone who uses any other tools or strippers, or anything before running DVD-RB -- I respectfully request that to all that do -- please don't post any problems you may have. I have enough to do debugging DVD-RB, I can't debug other's software as well.

[r6d2]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
New Version V0.11a - Added an option for half width, added a dropdown box to select the VTS you want to modify and autoselects the VTS with the largest number of frames as the main movie.I really don't understand some user comments on proposed features they don't like or don't need, as if they would rather not have them discussed. One of the greatest assets of this forum is innovation that comes from synergy of many minds thinking about the same problem.

Anyway, @mayhem2408, I think you deserve your own thread for this, to keep the clutter low and devoted to RB as jdobbs asked..

I just tried your tool and got a missing "rtl70.bpl" error. The downloaded file is just 31KB. Did I get it all?

[onesoul]

@r6d2

I was just trying to help :/

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by onesoul
@mayhem2408

About the tool you made. Well, I don't think at this stage is a good thing to introduce new things that could fall beyond the grip of jdobbs, imagine people going through bugs because of oustide tools. It would be a better option in my opinion to help the developing by bug reporting, comments and suggestions (ok, I know I'm describing the thread topics :)). Of course the ultimate opinion is from the man, jdobbs.

Cheers

I agree. Bug reporting in necessary. But seeing as I have nothing to report at this time, I decided to make a donation instead. I have been encoding 2 to 3 movies per day with ReBuilder. And apart from the interleaving movies issue, I have nothing to report as a bug. My only suggestion was to be able to select different compression ratios for different VTSs as I feel a higher quality movie is better than an OK quality Movie and OK Extras. That's why I starting writing the program.

As example of why I want this option. The Movie AKIRA takes up nearly a full DVD at 8.3 Gig. 60% of the DVD is the Movie and 40% is the Extras. The Bitrate for the Movie when recompressed with ReBuilder is a very low 2400kbit which is 48% the size of the original. I wanted the Movie to be at least 3000. After running my program over the ECL file the Movie is now at 3000 with a new compression ration of 60% and the Bitrate of the Extras is lowered so that the total file size is unchanged.

Until such time as everyone is happy with ReBuilder. I am pulling the download.

[jdobbs]

No... don't pull it. I don't want to get in the way of progress and other folks who are in your situation may find it useful. All I ask is that if they run into a problem when using your software (or any other software) that they please verify that the problem occurs without the additional software before posting a bug report. Maybe a little "warning" might help.

I appreciate any and all time anyone puts into testing and seeing how they can improve this package.

Thanks -- jdobbs

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by jdobbs
No... don't pull it. I don't want to get in the way of progress and other folks who are in your situation may find it useful. All I ask is that if they run into a problem when using your software (or any other software) that they please verify that the problem occurs without the additional software before posting a bug report. Maybe a little "warning" might help.

I appreciate any and all time anyone puts into testing and seeing how they can improve this package.

Thanks -- jdobbs

No Problems. It's back there now. And please if anyone has any problem with it or with it causing problems in CCE or DVD-RB. Please email me at the address listed in the software. This software is extremly Alpha. Written in 3 hours at 1am this morning over a few cans of coke.

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by r6d2
@Mayhem2408
I just tried your tool and got a missing "rtl70.bpl" error. The downloaded file is just 31KB. Did I get it all?

There is a newer version which is 481K in size. or a Rar file for 199K. No other files required. Give it a try now.

[CeanD]

Auuuuuggggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!

Had the Runtime Error with .26, now with .27 I get a:

DVD REbuilder experienced a buffer overflow. Errpr #0004. Process must abort.

Happened during the rebuilding of the first re-encoded VTS.

[Axlemar]

All dvds of a series (NTSC) I have were backed up fine using quenc and older versions of DVD REbuilder. I retried using .25 through .27 and now exactly half-way through the final rebuild phase I always get the error 6 overflow message.

[thomasphoenix]

Hi,
I tried out dvd rb , the encoding runs fine, the rebuilding runs fine till 97% then it says "runtime error 6 buffer overflow" just before rebuilding the second vts.Just thought I'll keep you posted.

[[BMC]]

I'm still kinda of new to this and maybe I overlooked it, but it sure would be nice to have the option to choose deinterlace in the avs script and specify what method to use. I backup lots of material that is pure NTSC, always requiring either Field Deinterlace or Tomsmocomp.

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Originally posted by RB
As I have outlined in http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.p...r=22#post466446 it's something that jdobbs should fix ... at least that's what I'm begging for
I'll give it my best shot. But if it isn't related to order in the .ECL I don't know what I could do.
It definitely is the order in the ECL. Just save an ECL from CCE-SP 2.50 and make sure you match the order of the options.

[nurseman]

DVD Rebuilder 0.27... error 9 again...!

i hope the problem is not on me

[JvD]

Originally posted by nurseman
DVD Rebuilder 0.27... error 9 again...!
i hope the problem is not on me

I did have this problem until now. Tried the same movie but instead of runtime error 9 I now have MS error reporting system saying something went wrong with DVD-RB. Dont know why yet. Its during the rebuild process. Did you use CCE?

[nurseman]

Originally posted by JvD
I did have this problem until now. Tried the same movie but instead of runtime error 9 I now have MS error reporting system saying something went wrong with DVD-RB. Dont know why yet. Its during the rebuild process. Did you use CCE?

Yes, CCE 2.5, but the error 9 occurre in the begining of the demux

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nurseman
Yes, CCE 2.5, but the error 9 occurre in the begining of the demux If you're using CCE there is no demux.

[jojje_l]

One thing I think is important about this software is that it seems to be more and more advanced, almost to advanced for an average user (which I believe is the target for this software). I mean, I love the software and I did have a good experience. But there are more and more settings and features added, even I don´t understand them all. And I´ve done a couple of dvd´s in the past year... I think there must be some kind of documentation of all the settings, maybe in the Rebuilder.txt file. Do you think a user going from DvdS*rink or Dvd*One will understand the AVS Options??? I don´t... And, yes, I know one can search the internet or the 3 forum threads containing no less than 1400 posts in no particual order... But does a first time user do that? Does he know where to search? All of us do, but thats because we have all been following this thread since the start. 1400 posts not categorized... Everybody understands that it is easier to ask again than to search for the answer to the question already asked. I think that it is important to include a good documentation for the software, then it might be easier for a newbie to understand and get the best result out of it rather than saying that it´s to difficult to use. Because I guess thats the goal, to get a simple program everybody knows how to use to get the best possible quality out of an encoded dvd. Keep up the good word jdobbs! I know it´s still beta, but don´t forget to include a description of all the options. Cheers all!

[zakmccrack]

Dear friends,

There is a way to correct the Dvd output size?
DvdRb product an undersize output.

Thanks a lot

Zak:)

[ron spencer]

I agree with jojje_l. It may be nice to step back and have a help file written with all of the various options for CCE, etc in it. Maybe someone could write it for jdobbs and those of us who need more hand holding could donate a bit to the help file author. There are options in DVD-RB that are not dicussed anywhere.

By the way...has anyone tried Rebuilder with one of the "monster" movies....that is the 3 hour Lord of the Rings ones? I would be interested in the results...

[geffroman]

Originally posted by jojje_l
One thing I think is important about this software is that it seems to be more and more advanced, almost to advanced for an average user (which I believe is the target for this software). I mean, I love the software and I did have a good experience. But there are IMHO - For now I'd say let the experienced users help jdobbs with developement and bug fixes... the last thing he needs is to write a manual for newbies and intermediates (LIKE ME)... I am reading this post daily and expect to jump in when things get stable and lot's of smart users have a handle on it before I start tossing my stupid questions at the forum creating confusion between bugs and user error...

I think it's too early to address the concerns of the masses... Again - IMHO

[jptheripper]

second successful RB disk (happened to be disk 2 in a set)

first disk 4.33gb , second 4.25

couldnt be happier, encodes look beautiful

14 hours on each start to end, one click method, 6 passes in cce (5+vaf), ~7.5gb source for each

THANK YOU jdobbs

-jp

[theuser86]

Quick Question:

What sources can DVD-RB NOT do? I know it cannot do seamless branching sources as of the newest version. But I have read through the thread about "interleaving movies" and how it does not suppor that.

Can someone just briefly elaborate on what this type of source is? Or provide with a link that can explain this to me and how I can identify if the source dvd is of this "interleaved" type. (The only interleave I know of is the interleaving between video and audio when you're multiplexing two primary streams to a sec. stream.)

Thanks.

[nurseman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
If you're using CCE there is no demux.

i'm in the dark... i know, i'm a rookie but i'm not dummie
i select sorce and target and hit PREPARE them show:
scanning and writing .D2V file folow by the error message
maybe i said demux thinking in demultiplexing

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by ron spencer
I agree with jojje_l. It may be nice to step back and have a help file written with all of the various options for CCE, etc in it. Maybe someone could write it for jdobbs and those of us who need more hand holding could donate a bit to the help file author. There are options in DVD-RB that are not dicussed anywhere.

By the way...has anyone tried Rebuilder with one of the "monster" movies....that is the 3 hour Lord of the Rings ones? I would be interested in the results... I did. It looks very, very good. But CCE gets the credit for that, not DVD-RB

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by theuser86
Quick Question:

What sources can DVD-RB NOT do? I know it cannot do seamless branching sources as of the newest version. But I have read through the thread about "interleaving movies" and how it does not suppor that.

Can someone just briefly elaborate on what this type of source is? Or provide with a link that can explain this to me and how I can identify if the source dvd is of this "interleaved" type. (The only interleave I know of is the interleaving between video and audio when you're multiplexing two primary streams to a sec. stream.)

Thanks. In v.028 I am kicking out an error message and refusing to do interleaved, seamless branching, and muliple angle movies that DVD-RB just isn't ready for. I'm hoping it will prevent a lot of these errors that just make no sense to me...

In interleaving while viewing the data stream you will see pieces of one VOBID/CELLID sequentially followed by another VOBID/CELLID, and then a reversion to the first one again happening over-and-over. You will often find that they have two versions of the same material (one may have button-over-video added). It is used for a lot of things like angles and seamless branching. It makes it possible to have two streams follow essentially the same path on the disc without a lot of head movement caused by choosing one path over the other.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by nurseman
i'm in the dark... i know, i'm a rookie but i'm not dummie
i select sorce and target and hit PREPARE them show:
scanning and writing .D2V file folow by the error message
maybe i said demux thinking in demultiplexing I'm not trying to insult you... if it appeared that way I apologize. The reason I mention it is that if you think you are doing CCE -- but a message appears that mentions demuxing, you are actually doing ReJig (I demux cells for ReJig to compress).

[robw]

by the way, this board is filled with posts for all kinds of applications where people claim pixelation and sound problems. Many of these issues can be traced back to the media used. Ultimately, if its a problem with the software it should be present when played on either a PC or a standalone. If its only on the standalone then it could be media or the player.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by robw
by the way, this board is filled with posts for all kinds of applications where people claim pixelation and sound problems. Many of these issues can be traced back to the media used. Ultimately, if its a problem with the software it should be present when played on either a PC or a standalone. If its only on the standalone then it could be media or the player. I agree. I'm confident that any pixelation problems related to DVD-RB are gone. (I'd never swear to anything, though).

[chadp1a]

Originally posted by jdobbs
In v.028 I am kicking out an error message and refusing to do interleaved, seamless branching, and muliple angle movies that DVD-RB just isn't ready for. I'm hoping it will prevent a lot of these errors that just make no sense to me...

In interleaving while viewing the data stream you will see pieces of one VOBID/CELLID sequentially followed by another VOBID/CELLID, and then a reversion to the first one again happening over-and-over. You will often find that they have two versions of the same material (one may have button-over-video added). It is used for a lot of things like angles and seamless branching. It makes it possible to have two streams follow essentially the same path on the disc without a lot of head movement caused by choosing one path over the other.

Hopefully version .28 will fix the overflow errors I am having. What's the ETA look like for .28 if you don't mind me asking?

[viper315]

1st off like to say great program. Am having a bit of a problem with it and noone I have talked to can seem to figure out how to solve it. I have to manually open the ecl file in order to encode, it will not let me do it inside the program no matter whether I use the one click method or hte encode part of the 3 step. Below is the following error message that I get, thing that gets me is its not even the right .ecl file that is needed to be used. Well any help is appreciated.

AviFileOpen("D:/working/D2VAVS/Item.ecl"): According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it

[2COOL]

@viper315

Welcome to the forum!

It would be helpful to jdobbs and us if you could provide more details on what software you are using and version. Have you followed the installation guide in the Read Me file in Help?

[nwg]

viper315 worte,
AviFileOpen("D:/working/D2VAVS/Item.ecl"): According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it

I got that with eclCCE 1.8. I had to go back to 1.7.

[viper315]

Okay, so far here I have tried v.23, v.26 & v.27 they all do the same thing.

CCE 2.50
Avisyth 2.54

As for the eclCCE ver I do not know what ver of that I am using, don't see anything that says a ver #. I believe those are the only software that I am using, thats all that jumps to mind right now anyway. As I said the program works but I have to manually open the rebuilder.ecl file and encode. Any ideas you may have would be appreciated. Someone mentioned eclCCE 1.7 if anyone knows where can find that ID be willing to try it, but for all I know I already have it. thanks. viper315

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by viper315
Okay, so far here I have tried v.23, v.26 & v.27 they all do the same thing.

CCE 2.50
Avisyth 2.54

As for the eclCCE ver I do not know what ver of that I am using, don't see anything that says a ver #. I believe those are the only software that I am using, thats all that jumps to mind right now anyway. As I said the program works but I have to manually open the rebuilder.ecl file and encode. Any ideas you may have would be appreciated. Someone mentioned eclCCE 1.7 if anyone knows where can find that ID be willing to try it, but for all I know I already have it. thanks. viper315 That is definitely your problem.

[wmansir]

Originally posted by viper315
1st off like to say great program. Am having a bit of a problem with it and noone I have talked to can seem to figure out how to solve it. I have to manually open the ecl file in order to encode, it will not let me do it inside the program no matter whether I use the one click method or hte encode part of the 3 step. Below is the following error message that I get, thing that gets me is its not even the right .ecl file that is needed to be used. Well any help is appreciated.

AviFileOpen("D:/working/D2VAVS/Item.ecl"): According to the registry, the type of file specified in AviFileOpen does not have a handler to process it

That is the error message CCE 2.5 (itself, without EclCCE) gives when you try and drag-n-drop an .ecl file onto it, because CCE 2.5 doesn't support drag-n-drop of project files, just video files. You should try installing EclCCE (1.7b, RB and EclCCE 1.8 are currently incompatible), start it and select your CCE 2.5 executible, and then reconfiguring RB to use it instead of the CCE executible.

[DMagic1]

Originally posted by robw
by the way, this board is filled with posts for all kinds of applications where people claim pixelation and sound problems. Many of these issues can be traced back to the media used. Ultimately, if its a problem with the software it should be present when played on either a PC or a standalone. If its only on the standalone then it could be media or the player.

I'm glad that this was found to be an acually bug in RB and fixed.

Even after jdobbs couldn't recreate the problem he still never gave up. Many would have blamed media, or players. I applaud him for his work and determination in finding the problem and fixing it.

[jdobbs]

What the hell... I applaud me too.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by wmansir
That is the error message CCE 2.5 (itself, without EclCCE) gives when you try and drag-n-drop an .ecl file onto it, because CCE 2.5 doesn't support drag-n-drop of project files, just video files. You should try installing EclCCE (1.7b, RB and EclCCE 1.8 are currently incompatible), start it and select your CCE 2.5 executible, and then reconfiguring RB to use it instead of the CCE executible. Well that isn't entirely correct. If you save an ECL from CCE and then drag and drop it back in, it works fine. But when the parameters are out of order (apparently) it can be opened from the menu -- but will get this message when you drag-and-drop.

In other words... it's probably my fault. In previous versions of eclCCE RB was using simulated menu input, so it worked fine. He'd found that drag-and-drop was a cleaner interface, and changed it in v0.18... and it revealed the problem. I'll fix it in v0.29

[robw]

Originally posted by jdobbs
What the hell... I applaud me too.

Truth be told, we all applaud you jdobbs. It's no mistake that this thread is now split in 3 and all three are too large to manage. The product you are creating is obviously what people have been wanting for quite some time. You not only have the ability to get it done but have been extremely generous with your time and have brought this product to fruition faster than any one of us could have imagined, let alone asked for.

Thanks so much for getting DVD-RB to the state its at so quickly. We really do appreciate it!

For all those who agree, how about giving paypal a little visit. If this product doesn't deserve your support, just tell me one that does.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by robw
Truth be told, we all applaud you jdobbs. It's no mistake that this thread is now split in 3 and all three are too large to manage. The product you are creating is obviously what people have been wanting for quite some time. You not only have the ability to get it done but have been extremely generous with your time and have brought this product to fruition faster than any one of us could have imagined, let alone asked for.

Thanks so much for getting DVD-RB to the state its at so quickly. We really do appreciate it!

For all those who agree, how about giving paypal a little visit. If this product doesn't deserve your support, just tell me one that does. Thanks. It's good that I do this for the challenge. If I was depending on donations I'd have switched over to selling pencils by now...

[wmansir]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Well that isn't entirely correct. If you save an ECL from CCE and then drag and drop it back in, it works fine. But when the parameters are out of order (apparently) it can be opened from the menu -- but will get this message when you drag-and-drop.

In other words... it's probably my fault. In previous versions of eclCCE RB was using simulated menu input, so it worked fine. He'd found that drag-and-drop was a cleaner interface, and changed it in v0.18... and it revealed the problem. I'll fix it in v0.29

Your right. I was mistaken because I recalled that RB added the drag-n-drop of .ecl ability to EclCCE several versions ago (but still simulating menu import). Now I remember that it was for the trial versions which didn't support .ecl loading at all.

[mayhem2408]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks. It's good that I do this for the challenge. If I was depending on donations I'd have switched over to selling pencils by now...

I appreciate the hard work you are doing and have already made my donation. Please keep up the good work. :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by mayhem2408
I appreciate the hard work you are doing and have already made my donation. Please keep up the good work. :) I sincerely appreciate it.

[lab-one]

originally posted by mayhem2408
I appreciate the hard work you are doing and have already made my donation. Please keep up the good work.



Ditto

[KungFuCow]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Thanks. It's good that I do this for the challenge. If I was depending on donations I'd have switched over to selling pencils by now...

Too all of you non donators reading this, it should make you ashamed :(

[wmansir]

Jdobbs, do you think DVD-Rebuilder should be given it's own subforum? It has definitely taken over this subforum, and personally I think finding info on a bug/instruction/fix in these large threads is becoming difficult, though I have tried to keep up with them all. Yet for some reason I get (unreasonably?) annoyed at the newbs who start a new thread on a "bug" or suggestion when you have asked them to use the two main threads.

If the program becomes as popular as it appears to be (and has the potential to be) it is bound to happen some time. And in truth it doesn't fit with the other 1-clicks anyway. It is really a question of timing, I think. And what would be most convenient for you of course.

[Zarch_UK]

Jdobbs,

Been sat in the background, taking each build when it arrives and testing it out on various discs. Had a few teething problems, but this thread helped sort them out. Not really found any problems that others haven't.

Agree with a previous post about hints & tips for CCE settings. At the moment i'm just hitting "GO". I'd like to know more, where can i look?

I've just donated $10, is this the norm? Fantastic product, i've tried the big 3 method on a couple of occasions and failed miserably, this product really is the business.

Looking forward to all the enhancements and improvements to come.

Cheers

Zarch

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Zarch_UK
Jdobbs,

Been sat in the background, taking each build when it arrives and testing it out on various discs. Had a few teething problems, but this thread helped sort them out. Not really found any problems that others haven't.

Agree with a previous post about hints & tips for CCE settings. At the moment i'm just hitting "GO". I'd like to know more, where can i look?

I've just donated $10, is this the norm? Fantastic product, i've tried the big 3 method on a couple of occasions and failed miserably, this product really is the business.

Looking forward to all the enhancements and improvements to come.

Cheers

Zarch Yes, thanks. I have the weekend coming up. I'll be able to devote more time to it then.

[DirtyAbdul]

Originally posted by wmansir
Jdobbs, do you think DVD-Rebuilder should be given it's own subforum? It has definitely taken over this subforum, and personally I think finding info on a bug/instruction/fix in these large threads is becoming difficult, though I have tried to keep up with them all. Yet for some reason I get (unreasonably?) annoyed at the newbs who start a new thread on a "bug" or suggestion when you have asked them to use the two main threads.

If the program becomes as popular as it appears to be (and has the potential to be) it is bound to happen some time. And in truth it doesn't fit with the other 1-clicks anyway. It is really a question of timing, I think. And what would be most convenient for you of course.

i agree with wmansir: RB has drawn A LOT of attention -- just consider how many hits those 3 threads are getting within only 3 weeks! an own subforum would help organize quite a few things (i'm starting to lose overview over my bookmarks since i'm active in some other forums as well :D).

for those still "thinking" about donating: i already mentioned in a different thread that you simply don't get such great 24h customer service anywhere else for a free program! and jdobbs reaction time is just amazing, right? don't you guys just feel like being well taken care of, huh??? :sly: so give this man a nice pat on his shoulder and sacrifice a 6-pack of beer (like someone else mentioned :D) .

CK

[masterpug]

Tested and fails for the following scenario (which is what I expected, but maybe support can be built into future versions).

I routinely compile dvd projects that result in project size of over the dvd-9/dual layer maximum, say 11-15gig total size. Then, I use Nero Recode to transcode down to fit onto dvd-5. Works great, but I could obtain better quality with dvd rebuilder utilizing CCE, of course, to do the job. The program crashes since it currently doesn't seem to support over 9.4gig "source" size. I know I can use CCE to re-encode each file down so compiling=dvd-5, but it's much simpler to just load all files when authoring, let it do a huge compile, then tanscode/re-encode to dvd-5. If anyone's listening and can address this in future versions, then I would be most appreciative!

[kilg0r3]

Hm, hm, I am not _yet_ a user of rebuilder. I am however, an avid reader of the thread(s) and hence feel entitled to give my two cents to the extra forum thingy.

My Experiences
We have had a similar discussion in the New-AV Formats-Codecs section. Since there has been quite high traffic related to Real Video format, quite a few users have expressed their wish to 'get an own forum'. And, the most interesting thing for me in this discussion was not the fact that doom9 refused to create a seperate section, but that karl lillevold, senior developer of real networks, quite clearly stated that he was happy with the current state of things. I also think that there are some points in favour of staying in a 'mixed' forum.

Solving Problems in a Mixed Forum
First of all, some of the problems you might be experiencing might be very easily solved by posting in seperate threads with _good_ subject lines in the format "Rebuilder - Enter your topic here". Another option would be to start a new thread for each new version or each new major release. I bet you can think of even better ones.

Benefits of the Mixed Forum
Second, staying in the mixed forum has the benefit for jdopps that more people's attention is drawn to the program. You would not want to prevent other users from getting aware of this fine piece of software, would you.
And, think of jdopps too. Many of you have been emphasizing that jdopps should be receiving as much donations as possible. An increasing number of users will benefit his account much more than a faithful but small group of users of which each one pays once (or even twice).

Cheers, kilg0r3

[kilg0r3]

Originally posted by Zarch_UK
Agree with a previous post about hints & tips for CCE settings. At the moment i'm just hitting "GO". I'd like to know more, where can i look?

Ahem, this is your second post on doom9. Hence it might be that you have not yet realized that we have at least two 'gadgets' here which might proof very useful for you. One being the CCE section in this forum, which also contains an excellent FAQ the other being the doom9 guides, some of which treat CCE, and another still being the search-button.

I'll stop moralizing now.

[2COOL]

Why set the limit to just Doom9's search button? Let Google (http://www.google.com) be your friend. ;)

[nurseman]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I'm not trying to insult you... if it appeared that way I apologize. The reason I mention it is that if you think you are doing CCE -- but a message appears that mentions demuxing, you are actually doing ReJig (I demux cells for ReJig to compress).

OK... now with DVD-RB .28 no error 9 occurre, but...
(i hope i had configure everything all right)
I select the one click mode and

Transcoding on the run - GOOD
-----------------
Phase I PREPARATION started - time xx:xx:xx
-VTS_01: xxx.xxx sectors
-- scanning and writing .D2V file
-- xx.xxx/0 FRAMES/RFFS
-- building .AVS and .ECL files

and so on until VTS_06

Phase I PREPARATION complete - time xx.xx.xx
Phase II encoding started - time yy.yy.yy
- creating M2V for VTS_01 segment 00

them CCE start
A dialog box mark as CCE SP [edited out] with
GdipLoadImageFromFile failed: 3
(OK)

HELP!!!

[RB]

Originally posted by nurseman
A dialog box mark as CCE SP [SSG] Version with
GdipLoadImageFromFile failed: 3

You aren't using a cracked version of CCE, are you?? And you know forum rule 6, right?

[2COOL]

Originally posted by nurseman
CCE SP [SSG] VersionSSG = Saints and Sinners Group. My sources tell me that it's definitely a cracking group.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by masterpug
Tested and fails for the following scenario (which is what I expected, but maybe support can be built into future versions).

I routinely compile dvd projects that result in project size of over the dvd-9/dual layer maximum, say 11-15gig total size. Then, I use Nero Recode to transcode down to fit onto dvd-5. Works great, but I could obtain better quality with dvd rebuilder utilizing CCE, of course, to do the job. The program crashes since it currently doesn't seem to support over 9.4gig "source" size. I know I can use CCE to re-encode each file down so compiling=dvd-5, but it's much simpler to just load all files when authoring, let it do a huge compile, then tanscode/re-encode to dvd-5. If anyone's listening and can address this in future versions, then I would be most appreciative! I hadn't given this any thought -- but I don't think I've put any upward limitations on the source data.. what happens when it crashes?

[masterpug]

I'll copy/paste the error to a post when I have another one happen like that, probably try sometime within the week.

I have to say, all other uses so far for "one click" backups (CCE method) have worked perfectly...amazing little program to accomplish all the old school steps. I was making perfect backups, keeping menus/extras way back before the "transcoders" came along, and it's so nice to not have to deal with individual vob re-encodes, renaming IFO's/VOB's and using IFOUpdate,etc, although I learned so much from dvd2avi, vfapi converter, dvd2svcd using CCE, and CCE stand alone AND of course IFO Edit. Can't imagine the current crop of "transcoder" users that check out your program even have a clue what's happening in the background or how 1:1 backups used to be accomplished.

Most definitely will contribute $$ to the cause in the near future...thanks!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by masterpug
I'll copy/paste the error to a post when I have another one happen like that, probably try sometime within the week.

I have to say, all other uses so far for "one click" backups (CCE method) have worked perfectly...amazing little program to accomplish all the old school steps. I was making perfect backups, keeping menus/extras way back before the "transcoders" came along, and it's so nice to not have to deal with individual vob re-encodes, renaming IFO's/VOB's and using IFOUpdate,etc, although I learned so much from dvd2avi, vfapi converter, dvd2svcd using CCE, and CCE stand alone AND of course IFO Edit. Can't imagine the current crop of "transcoder" users that check out your program even have a clue what's happening in the background or how 1:1 backups used to be accomplished.

Most definitely will contribute $$ to the cause in the near future...thanks! Thanks for the comments... remember when the only choice we had was VCD or (later) SVCD?

[masterpug]

got a lot of mileage out of svcd.

recently been using tmpgenc dvd author to put vcd/mpg1 tv captures on dvd and I get 16 episodes x 22min (commercials cut). I am trying to use your program to shrink video_ts folder that has about 6gig data (26 x22min captures) and compare output to same project shrunk using nero recode2 (which was very good). Also, transcoders, as you probably know, have a "bottom" compression ratio, usually around 2:1 ratio so in certain cases I'd need to use CCE anyway to complete the job.

[nwg]

Would it be possible to automatically create the working folder?

I have deleted my working folder but used the same name (DVDRB Tests) when doing the another DVD. When I forget to recreate the DVDRB Tests folder, DVD RB crashes and exits when clicking on prepare.

[djan]

Hi,

I ran the firt time an interlaced DVD. I so checked the ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) option. Unfortunately, it didn't do well its job. The resulting DVD is always interlaced and not so pretty to look. Someone can explain me why ? Thx. In the other hand, I would like to know if I really need to deinterlace as I intend to look this DVD only on my standalone ?

Thx for any help.

[philos31]

Ahhhh,

AFAIK this is my first posting on this forum...
Read a lot, but never hit the reply button....

This software is worth writing a reply about, I've been using it about 2 weeks now, and after a lot of trouble to get it to run on my very dirty harddisk (the prob was 3 versions of avisync)

Now that it works I can say that the program does what it tell's you.
I am amazed at the quality you get out of such a simple (for the user) program.

I will be posting a bit more here now that my first message is out :)

Just wanted to say thanks, great job!

[Paced]

Originally posted by djan
Hi,

I ran the firt time an interlaced DVD. I so checked the ConvertToYUY2(interlaced=true) option. Unfortunately, it didn't do well its job. The resulting DVD is always interlaced and not so pretty to look. Someone can explain me why ? Thx. In the other hand, I would like to know if I really need to deinterlace as I intend to look this DVD only on my standalone ?

Thx for any help.

Hello, CovertToYUY2(interlaced=true) has no effect on whether or not your output will/won't be interlaced. You won't need to deinterlace if you intend to play this on your stand-alone - you only notice the 'interlacing' on your computer (depending on the program you view the DVD with - use PowerDVD/WinDVD/Ulead DVD Player instead).

[quinn]

Love this program (donated my $15 for it) - have a question and a comment -

question - how does it find dvd2avi? I deleted all copies on my disks but the dvd2avidg to be sure, but it might be nice to be able to control it....

comment - I use 1/2 D1 a lot, but the option seems to be global - it would be nice if a) it didn't do it to 16:9 video, since that doesn't work well with most stand-alones, and doesn't conform to the spec and b) that the conversions (16:9 -> 4:3 and 1/2 D1 (and possibly both)) were on a VTS by VTS basis...

This program rocks!! Thanks a bunch

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by quinn
Love this program (donated my $15 for it) - have a question and a comment -

question - how does it find dvd2avi? I deleted all copies on my disks but the dvd2avidg to be sure, but it might be nice to be able to control it....

comment - I use 1/2 D1 a lot, but the option seems to be global - it would be nice if a) it didn't do it to 16:9 video, since that doesn't work well with most stand-alones, and doesn't conform to the spec and b) that the conversions (16:9 -> 4:3 and 1/2 D1 (and possibly both)) were on a VTS by VTS basis...

This program rocks!! Thanks a bunch Thanks! DVDAVI is never called. DVD-RB does the scanning/breakout function itself. I'll take a look at disallowing 1/2 D1 on 16:9 conversion.

[djan]

Originally posted by Paced
Hello, CovertToYUY2(interlaced=true) has no effect on whether or not your output will/won't be interlaced. You won't need to deinterlace if you intend to play this on your stand-alone - you only notice the 'interlacing' on your computer (depending on the program you view the DVD with - use PowerDVD/WinDVD/Ulead DVD Player instead). Hi, I'm using WinDVD 5 Gold, but it's always interlaced. Is there an option to deinterlace ? I'm a PAL user. And for what is the option interlaced=true so ? Can I backup it without using this option ? Thx.

[StifflerStealth]

@djan:
Try this in the AVS files after the mpeg2source line:

LoadPlugin("x:\Path\to\decomb.dll")
FieldDeinterlace()

I think you still need the interlaced=true, though. I said I _think_.

Well, this must pf helped redfive19, because I haven't seen him in 13 pages. :D

Stiff

[DDogg]

jdobbs, I remembered one of my odd pieces of historical information. You, or somebody in one of these threads, was talking about drag and drop of an ecl into 2.5 throwing that weird "According to the registry, the type of file specified ...blah, blah".

This happens when caps are used for the ecl file suffix. ".ecl" will work, whereas ".ECL" will not. Maybe you already figured that out, but there was too much thread for my eyes to go back through. Just disregard if this is useless information to you.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, I remembered one of my odd pieces of historical information. You, or somebody in one of these threads, was talking about drag and drop of an ecl into 2.5 throwing that weird "According to the registry, the type of file specified ...blah, blah".

This happens when caps are used for the ecl file suffix. ".ecl" will work, whereas ".ECL" will not. Maybe you already figured that out, but there was too much thread for my eyes to go back through. Just disregard if this is useless information to you. If that turns out to be all that is wrong I'm going to slam my head into a wall. Hmm... not that I think about it, in a sense that's all programming really is: Slamming your head against a wall for hours so you can enjoy the feeling when you get to stop slamming.

[DDogg]

If that turns out to be all that is wrong I'm going to slam my head into a wall. Hey, you you would be in good company. This snake has bitten some very smart people over the years because smart people like you would not even consider that such a dumb error could possible exist. That's for people like me to do :)

/add: also, putting any extra information at the top of an 2.5 ecl file can sometimes cause problems (or sometimes not - Voodoo stuff). I note you put "; Created by DVD ReBuilder". It is not causing any problem that I can see, but I specifically remember an instance where it did in another project.

[RB]

Originally posted by DDogg
jdobbs, I remembered one of my odd pieces of historical information. You, or somebody in one of these threads, was talking about drag and drop of an ecl into 2.5 throwing that weird "According to the registry, the type of file specified ...blah, blah".

This happens when caps are used for the ecl file suffix. ".ecl" will work, whereas ".ECL" will not. Maybe you already figured that out, but there was too much thread for my eyes to go back through. Just disregard if this is useless information to you.
DDogg, you're the man! :) I think that's it. Anyway, I already "fixed" it in EclCCE 1.8b so jdobbs, there's really no need to do bad things to your head :)

As for why that is, it's an easy to make programming error. They obviously perform a case-sensitive match against the file extension for files dropped into CCE, e.g. "if (strcmp(szFileExt, "ecl")) { /* Not an ECL file */ }"

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
DDogg, you're the man! :) I think that's it. Anyway, I already "fixed" it in EclCCE 1.8b so jdobbs, there's really no need to do bad things to your head :)

As for why that is, it's an easy to make programming error. They obviously perform a case-sensitive match against the file extension for files dropped into CCE, e.g. "if (strcmp(szFileExt, "ecl")) { /* Not an ECL file */ }" Yep -- just renamed it and it worked fine...

[hypo20]

@jdobbs
Hi. It's weekend, my time. :) Will post some tests. :)

I see you slowed down little bit. That's good. I don't want to hear about you, that you're slamming your head to the wall saying "Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, ....." somewhere in sanatorium. :)

We all don't want to loose our greatest brain. :D

[casonbang]

@jdobbs

Thanks for adding the check for interleaving! I just tried to backup Princess Mononoke (which I didn't think had anything wanky) and the warning saved me from a few days of scratching my head wondering why it wouldn't work.

Any rough idea of when you'll tackle the interleaving problem? Days, weeks, months...

PS: $10 donation on its way!

[deh707]

this is my first time trying this program

im using DVD-RB 028, with CCE 2.50


i did the one click transcode mode, and it worked.

the only problem was it never took out the audio tracks i told it to remove, making the final VIDEO_TS folder size 4.66GB. (if it removed the other 3 tracks, it would be 4.38GB)




anyone know why it still included the unwanted audio tracks?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by hypo20
@jdobbs
Hi. It's weekend, my time. :) Will post some tests. :)

I see you slowed down little bit. That's good. I don't want to hear about you, that you're slamming your head to the wall saying "Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, Rebuilder, ....." somewhere in sanatorium. :)

We all don't want to loose our greatest brain. :D I haven't stopped... I've been trying to chase down a couple of fairly elusive bugs. Mainly I'm trying to see what happened between version .26 and .27 that seems to have brought about the "Runtime error '6'"

[John Doe]

Great tool. But I´ve one problem. CCE starts everytime in 2-pass mode, although it ought to start in 3-pass mode. :(
EclCCE is in version 1.8b & CCE SP in 2.67.00.23.

By using the Big3-method everything seams fine, so it have to be a bug of DVD-RB.

------------------------

Sorry, wrong thread

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by John Doe
Great tool. But I´ve one problem. CCE starts everytime in 2-pass mode, although it ought to start in 3-pass mode. :(
EclCCE is in version 1.8b & CCE SP in 2.67.00.23.

By using the Big3-method everything seams fine, so it have to be a bug of DVD-RB.

------------------------

Sorry, wrong thread Use "Search" on this subject in the DVD-RB threads. 2 in CCE = 3 in real life. (3=4, 4=5, etc.)

[Offline]

That "Runtime error '6'" bug is a pain. I'm going back to v0.26
which seemed to work fine. I hope you find a solution.

In the meantime please do not disallow half D1 for 16:9. I know
it is not in the "DVD specs" but it works fine and allows for
superior picture at below 2,000kb rates on those really overstuffed
DVD9's. Perhaps a simple warning instead?

Fantastic program btw!!!

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Offline
That "Runtime error '6'" bug is a pain. I'm going back to v0.26
which seemed to work fine. I hope you find a solution.

In the meantime please do not disallow half D1 for 16:9. I know
it is not in the "DVD specs" but it works fine and allows for
superior picture at below 2,000kb rates on those really overstuffed
DVD9's. Perhaps a simple warning instead?

Fantastic program btw!!! Actually I just went to the DVD FAQ and checked, and anamorphic 16:9 is acceptable for Half-D1. Here's a quote (I modified the table by adding slashes for formatting):

For anamorphic video, the pixels are fatter. Different pixel aspect ratios (none of them square) are used for each aspect ratio and resolution. 720-pixel and 704-pixel sizes have the same aspect ratio because the first includes overscan. Note that conventional values of 1.0950 and 0.9157 are for height/width (and are tweaked to match scanning rates). The table below uses less-confusing width/height values (y/x * h/w).

Aspect/720x480/720x576/352x480/352x576
4:3/0.909/1.091/1.818/2.182
16:9/1.212/1.455/2.424/2.909

BTW. I already found the solution and will post it today.

[redfive19]

Originally posted by StifflerStealth
@djan:
Try this in the AVS files after the mpeg2source line:

LoadPlugin("x:\Path\to\decomb.dll")
FieldDeinterlace()

I think you still need the interlaced=true, though. I said I _think_.

Well, this must pf helped redfive19, because I haven't seen him in 13 pages. :D

Stiff

@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Does anyone know an easy way to add lines to multiple AVS's? I've tried ultraedit's macro but you cannot apply it over multiple opened files. Any easier way I am just not seeing?

-redfive

[Roe5685]

on april 2 i tried the lastest rebuilder with cce 2.5.
"process" goes fine.
when you go to "encode" it then processes the d2v files without doing anything so it finishes in seconds rather than hours and of course encode fails.
i examined the ecl file and a few of the many d2v files in the rebuilder d2vavs folder and they seem fine. out of curiosity i started cce and loaded the ecl file and hit encode. over several hours it processed the files. somewhere along the line it hit a checksum error which i too have had on occasion so i did not end up with useable streams to author.

in summary then:
there appears to be some very slight clerical error such that rebuilder does not start cce 2.5 encoding. on the other hand the files made up by rebuilder for cce 2.5 to process seem to be fine.
i hope that the error will be corrected shortly.
thankyou for letting me try this adventurous program.

Rosemary.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by Roe5685
on april 2 i tried the lastest rebuilder with cce 2.5.
"process" goes fine.
when you go to "encode" it then processes the d2v files without doing anything so it finishes in seconds rather than hours and of course encode fails.
i examined the ecl file and a few of the many d2v files in the rebuilder d2vavs folder and they seem fine. out of curiosity i started cce and loaded the ecl file and hit encode. over several hours it processed the files. somewhere along the line it hit a checksum error which i too have had on occasion so i did not end up with useable streams to author.

in summary then:
there appears to be some very slight clerical error such that rebuilder does not start cce 2.5 encoding. on the other hand the files made up by rebuilder for cce 2.5 to process seem to be fine.
i hope that the error will be corrected shortly.
thankyou for letting me try this adventurous program.

Rosemary. Could you give me a little information on how you are doing the encode?

1. What version of eclCCE are you using with CCE 2.50?
2. After the "PREPARE" -- try opening one of the .AVS files with Windows Media Player and make sure it works.

[smlong426]

The chapter pixelation problems were fixed with .26, but I still see stuttering of either audio or video (or both) on my two hardware players.

Also, is there any way to fix previous Rebuilder images that exhibit the 'no audio' problems on certain players without re-encoding the whole thing all over ?

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by redfive19
@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Does anyone know an easy way to add lines to multiple AVS's? I've tried ultraedit's macro but you cannot apply it over multiple opened files. Any easier way I am just not seeing?

-redfive You won't have to find another way. This will be in v0.29.

[issa]

I am using DVD-RB 0.28. I got "Run-time Error '6': Overflow"
after I pick the source path. I did try few different DVDs,
and all gave me the same result. Is there a way to fix
this problem?

Also, jdobbs, could you replace "AddAudio()" with "AudioDub(BlankClip())"? That what the "AddAudio()" do.
It is repleacment of "Resample()", since "Resample()"
no longer add empty clip when it used.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by issa
I am using DVD-RB 0.28. I got "Run-time Error '6': Overflow"
after I pick the source path. I did try few different DVDs,
and all gave me the same result. Is there a way to fix
this problem?

Also, jdobbs, could you replace "AddAudio()" with "AudioDub(BlankClip())"? That what the "AddAudio()" do.
It is repleacment of "Resample()", since "Resample()"
no longer add empty clip when it used. Will this work with all versions of AVISYNTH? If so, I'll remove both options and put this in every AVS. Is there any drawbacks? (speed?)

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by redfive19
@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Does anyone know an easy way to add lines to multiple AVS's? I've tried ultraedit's macro but you cannot apply it over multiple opened files. Any easier way I am just not seeing?

-redfive

I was going to suggest to write a dos batch script, but since it will be in the new version, I guess it's not needed to do that.

Stiff

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by issa
I am using DVD-RB 0.28. I got "Run-time Error '6': Overflow"
after I pick the source path. I did try few different DVDs,
and all gave me the same result. Is there a way to fix
this problem?

Also, jdobbs, could you replace "AddAudio()" with "AudioDub(BlankClip())"? That what the "AddAudio()" do.
It is repleacment of "Resample()", since "Resample()"
no longer add empty clip when it used. Just goes to show you... sometimes you unnecessarily take the hard road. I just ran this and it fixes the CCE bug fine. I'm going to get rid of the options I have now and put this in every VTS.

Thanks for the excellent advice!

[issa]

jdobbs,

In AviSynth 2.0.x, use "Resample()".
In AviSynth 2.5.x, use "AudioDub(BlankClip())".
Since "Resample()" in AviSynth 2.5.x will not produce
empty audio clip, the problem still exsit even you
put "Resample(44100)" in the script.

Also, where can I find the DVD-RB 0.26?
I would like to try out is the problem of my DVD or
the hidden problem in the program.

[StifflerStealth]

Originally posted by jdobbs
Will this work with all versions of AVISYNTH? If so, I'll remove both options and put this in every AVS. Is there any drawbacks? (speed?)

I have an Intel P4 and CCE SP 2.67, so I don't use Addaudio or ResampleAudio at all. I noticed that the encode took _10 hours_ with the AddAudio() option, but the very same project took _6.5 hours_ without the AddAudio option when I tried with a newer version of DVD-RB. So you can have a check thing like you got now, but have that one audio option, so I (and others) can uncheck the audio option. AFAIK, the audio options are there for ppl with CCE 2.50 and an AMD proccessor, right?!?

Stiff

EDIT: Added: "without the AddAudio option"

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by issa
jdobbs,

In AviSynth 2.0.x, use "Resample()".
In AviSynth 2.5.x, use "AudioDub(BlankClip())".
Since "Resample()" in AviSynth 2.5.x will not produce
empty audio clip, the problem still exsit even you
put "Resample(44100)" in the script.

Also, where can I find the DVD-RB 0.26?
I would like to try out is the problem of my DVD or
the hidden problem in the program. Give me a few hours and I'll have 0.29 posted. I advise against the use of 0.26, as there are errors that I've mentioned before. The folks who used it were doing so to help me find the bug that was introduced in 0.27 and I am certainly appreciative for that -- but I've fixed it now, and I hate to have someone build a DVD not knowing that it has some inherent problems.

[issa]

Thanks for give us this great program.

[redfive19]

Originally posted by jdobbs
You won't have to find another way. This will be in v0.29.

@jdobbs
You're the man!!! Thanks!

[issa]

The "AddAudio()" is a sample script to replace "Resample()"
to fix the bug of CCE 2.5 in AviSynth 2.5.x.
You can find the script here (http://www.avisynth.org/index.php?page=AddAudio).
Someone did report CCE 2.6x had memory leak without adding
the empty audio, here (http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?threadid=42924&perpage=20&highlight=memory%20leak&pagenumber=3).

[DDogg]

jdobbs, I think some people don't know that AddAudio() depends on having AddAudio.avsi in your plugin dir.

A one size fits all (versions of CCE) solution is to do what dvd2svcd does via an import as part of your script. Please see the note below this for a clarification.

LoadPlugin("PATH:\MPEG2Dec3.dll")
mpeg2source("PATH:\V01B.D2V")
trim(0,14136)
ConvertToYUY2()
Import("PATH:\PITA_CCEWorkaround.avs")
PITA_CCEWorkaround(44100)

where PITA_CCEWorkaround.avs is:

function PITA_CCEWorkaround(clip v1, int rate) {
v2 = Blankclip()
v1 = AudioDub(v1,v2)
return v1
}

Note: Dvd2svcd actually use the name "ResampleAudio" as the function name for some backward compatibility reasons. Although there is actually an internal command which is called ResampleAudio, he gets away with it by expoiting the fact that a function takes precedence over an internal command. I purposely changed the name above so as to not cause confusion. You can name it anything you want. Hopefully, this will not cause you more confusion :)

/Add: hmmm, are you sure you even need this? If I remember it correctly, this was a workaround for loading (or dragging) the avs in CCE, because the audio checkbox was checked. Once you unchecked it and saved the ecl, you did not need the workaround anymore. It occurs to me that since you are creating the ecl with the audio already turned off, and loading via a commandline, you may not even need to be doing this. Crap, I hope I got that correct.

[RB]

Originally posted by redfive19
@StifflerStealth

You're damned right! I've already informed jdobbs of this bug. After manually adding those two lines to each AVS, my interlaced material is encoded fine. This has worked on two DVD's that did not previously work. I am very suprised that more people haven't seen this as I've found DVDRB to only work (without AVS manipulation) on progressive DVD's. My problem was a bit different than DJAN though, I saw the problems on my standalone, NOT my PC.

Hmm, this surprises me. Normally encoding a progressive source as interlaced has almost no negative effect, the Q factors may get a little higher and CCE speed will be a little lower but that's about it. In fact, most DVDs are encoded interlaced although you can clearly see that the source material is progressive. In a software player, this might cause a slight vertical jitter because the player applies a BOB deinterlace when it really doesn't need to, usually fixed by setting deinterlace to "Force Weave" (WinDVD at least).

So how did it look wrong on your TV? I can only imagine that a wrong setting for Upper Field First/Offset Line in CCE could cause problems here.

jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? If so, you could also automate the Interlaced=True/False parameter of ConvertToYUY2(). It must be set to interlaced=true if the picture headers in the source don't have the progressive_frame flag set. If there's a mixture in the cell, use interlaced=true too because it has almost no negative impact on progressive sources.

[Roe5685]

your reply got me thinking. thanks.
I inspected the d2vavs folder and saw it was over 2 gigs.
i then used your rebuild third step. it failed the first time due to "overrun" and the second time due to some other error. nevertheless it generated some vob files and i played the first one on my holywood plus decoder.
i had just opened up my cce 2.5 and used that to generate the m2v files. i.e. you open the ecl file in d2vavs and then hit encode.
i have never used eclcce before. when i encode by hand i edit my ecl template and then open cce and hit encode. on rare occasion i have used the method not requiring a template ecl from a guide but then you have to be awake to restart cce after the first pass.
nevertheless i took your hint and opened the latest version of eclcce which i just downloaded in the last 24 hours. i have just used that to start the encoding of your d2v files. it is progressing nicely as we speak but failed on at least two d2v files on checksum. i had erased everything in your d2davs folder so i don't know how this happened. i will author using your third step when it completes despite the checksum errors.
i have no idea how to use eclcce to generate a one click solution.
Any advise?

Thanks again

Rosemary.

[RB]

Originally posted by DDogg
/Add: hmmm, are you sure you even need this? If I remember it correctly, this was a workaround for loading the avs in CCE, because the audio checkbox was checked. Once you unchecked it and saved the ecl, you did not need the workaround anymore. It occurs to me that since you are creating the ecl with the audio already turned off, and loading via a commandline, you may not even need to be doing this. Crap, I hope I got that correct.
Absolutely correct. Ifaud_out=0 is in the ECL, the AddAudio() snippet is not necessary for CCE 2.50. However, funnily enough, it's still advised for CCE 2.66+ because otherwise CCE will continously increase it's memory usage with every VBR pass (not an issue with CCE 2.50!). You can see this in task manager, grabs a new large chunk of memory at the start of every pass and never releases it until you close CCE. This does not happen when there's an audio track in the AVS.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
/Add: hmmm, are you sure you even need this? If I remember it correctly, this was a workaround for loading (or dragging) the avs in CCE, because the audio checkbox was checked. Once you unchecked it and saved the ecl, you did not need the workaround anymore. It occurs to me that since you are creating the ecl with the audio already turned off, and loading via a commandline, you may not even need to be doing this. Crap, I hope I got that correct. [/B] You're right. But since I made the AVS files available to everyone to use, CCE 2.50 will crash whenever someone trys to load it -- so I decided it was best just to add it and kill the confusion.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? If so, you could also automate the Interlaced=True/False parameter of ConvertToYUY2(). It must be set to interlaced=true if the picture headers in the source don't have the progressive_frame flag set. If there's a mixture in the cell, use interlaced=true too because it has almost no negative impact on progressive sources. Great minds think alike. I've done that.

[RB]

Great! :)

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by RB
Hmm, this surprises me. Normally encoding a progressive source as interlaced has almost no negative effect, the Q factors may get a little higher and CCE speed will be a little lower but that's about it. In fact, most DVDs are encoded interlaced although you can clearly see that the source material is progressive. In a software player, this might cause a slight vertical jitter because the player applies a BOB deinterlace when it really doesn't need to, usually fixed by setting deinterlace to "Force Weave" (WinDVD at least).

So how did it look wrong on your TV? I can only imagine that a wrong setting for Upper Field First/Offset Line in CCE could cause problems here.

jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? If so, you could also automate the Interlaced=True/False parameter of ConvertToYUY2(). It must be set to interlaced=true if the picture headers in the source don't have the progressive_frame flag set. If there's a mixture in the cell, use interlaced=true too because it has almost no negative impact on progressive sources. I read a post earlier with interest. It said that sometimes a stream is listed as interlaced even when it is progressive??? Are you saying there are times when the picture_structure is set to TF or BF (instead of FRAME) and the the progressive flag is set? If so I have to go back and do some recoding...

Note: Edited to make myself look smarter.

[DDogg]

Originally posted by RB
jdobbs, am I right in that the fix you are mentioning is setting the CCE options (alternate_scan, progressive) according to the source stream? Originally posted by jdobbs
Great minds think alike. I've done that. For clarification - Meaning that progressive streams will have ZigZag and progressive on, and alternate scan off? (I hope)

As for the cce audio workaround, what both of you said makes perfect sense. Leaving it in all the scripts for all versions of cce is the way to go. It certainly hurts nothing. No need to have the settings in dvd-rb anymore, just a universal command or import in every script. That will make it a lot cleaner.

[najt]

What programming language / development enviroment are you using?

[RB]

Originally posted by jdobbs
I read a post earlier with interest. It said that sometimes a stream is listed as interlaced even when it is progressive??? Are you saying there are times when the picture_structure is set to TFF or BFF (instead of FRAME) and the the progressive flag is set? If so I have to go back and do some recoding...
I read that too in relation with BitrateViewer, but it's not true. Many people confuse what BitrateViewer reports and what they see. They run BitrateViewer which for many DVD VOBs will report "interlaced" because that's what the MPEG picture headers say (progressive_frame=off). Then they look at it in a software player or DVD2AVI/whatever and go "hell, but I see no interlacing, so BitrateViewer must be wrong". That's where this "DVDs are often incorrectly flagged interlaced" rumors come from, IMHO. Tools like BV (and I assume your D2V generation code) very accurately report how the stream is encoded, not what it looks like, and this is the information you need, especially for ConvertToYUY2(). Speaking of this, you could also examine the alternate_scan coding extension and set Alternate/ZigZag in CCE accordingly.

And no, I have never seen a stream where progressive_frame was on but picture_structure was TOP_FIELD or BOTTOM_FIELD, it was always FRAME_PICTURE (maybe you made a typo here mentioning TFF/BFF, top_field_first is a separate flag). I actually modified DVD2AVIdg to output a log file when saving the D2V where I record the number of frames, number of progressive frames, number of frame pictures and a lot of other interesting information, I use this for a while now so I have looked at a lot these log files :)

Anyway, what I have recently seen for the first time was all progressive_frames but it was BFF (top_field_first=0). That's how all the cells are in VTS_2, VTS_05 and VTS_06 on Matrix Revolutions Disc 2 (PAL R2), a very weird, complex IFO structure in there BTW. I don't think Upper Field First/Offset Line should be set to 1 in CCE for this, did a quick test encode this way and looked OK.

Another thing I noticed is that it looks like for field pictures (picture_structure TOP_FIELD or BOTTOM_FIELD), the top_field_first flag can't be trusted. I recently had a DVD where some extras where interlaced field pictures and top_field_first was 0, so the D2V was written with all zeroes. But actually it was TFF, checked using AssumeTFF().SeparateFields() AVS script. I think for field pictures, the top_field_first flag is simply not used and whichever field comes first in the stream is the "top field" i.e. the field to decode and display first on an interlaced output device, and presumably this is how Mpeg2Dec3dg outputs it as well.

[jdobbs]

Originally posted by DDogg
For clarification - Meaning that progressive streams will have ZigZag and progressive on, and alternate scan off? (I hope)
Yes. But first I have to clarify whether is is possible to have the progressive flag turned on when a stream's picture_structure is set to TF or BF as opposed to FRAME. I need be sure that by looking at the two parameters I can conclusively decide whether a stream is progressive or interlaced.

Note: Edited to make myself look better

[RB]

Originally posted by DDogg
For clarification - Meaning that progressive streams will have ZigZag and progressive on, and alternate scan off? (I hope)

Yes, that would be a good optimization too. The stream may have progressive_frames on but still use alternate scan rather than ZigZag. I haven't seen that yet and it would make no sense, but you could always set up CCE for ZigZag when source is progressive.

[jdobbs]

And no, I have never seen a stream where progressive_frame was on but picture_structure was TOP_FIELD or BOTTOM_FIELD, it was always FRAME_PICTURE (maybe you made a typo here mentioning TFF/BFF, top_field_first is a separate flag). I was talking about the picture_structure field not the TFF bit -- bad notation on my part.